Free of the Curse of Dave Gettleman

In comment 15548298 christian said:

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In comment 15548261 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: Will absolutely need to create some extra cap space as will need to put an experienced body on the OL and probably at QB this year if they aren't drafting one. Not high priced as something middle of the road will do, but still need some space. I’ll do a comprehensive cap thread later in the week, but I’m a nerd and keep a list of reporting on contracts that don’t show up in the cap sites always. Long story short there are some surprises good and bad on the balance sheet, but getting clean is only going to take a year.

Thx, look forward to going thru it.

I recall a lot will be amortized off heading into 2023, but as mentioned Giants need to find some cap space in 2022. So hoping something can be done within reason...

On the Mount Rushmore of worst GM tenures in league history. That's not hyperbole either, pretty sure he's only behind Matt Millen in win percentage. Unlike Millen, Gettleman emptied the clip in free agent spend as well.

Gettleman was likely a poor fit at the top of an organization for any era. But at his advanced age in an era of accelerated change with a stubborn and arrogant personality? Brutal recipe for disaster.

Some additional changes need to be made, I am hoping the new GM brings in his people but I am just happy it's behind us. For the first time in about a decade it looks like the Giants are following a sound process with a cohesive plan. It's not a guarantee for success but at least they're not drawing dead anymore.

Always great to see how consistently and aggressively wrong FMiC was. Although he was more polite than usual on that one.

Agree with some of the posters above that it was hard to root for the Giants with Gettleman at the helm. Lack of professionalism, complete rejection of any information from after the 80s, utter lack of understanding of details.

There are just basic things that people in charge of a team or an organization need to do. They need to be able to communicate in a professional manner. They need to be learning. They need to be humble and review their own decisions and priors. They need to have command of details.

Gettleman had none of that. It's just so hard to get behind these fundamental failures of basic leadership principles. I mean, guys make mistakes all the time. Draft picks don't work out. Guys get hurt. Teams get unlucky on the field. This wasn't that. This was a failure of basic competence. This was being lazy, arrogant, impulsive, and rude.

I've supported bad teams in the past and will continue to do. That's part of being a sports fan. But it was hard - almost impossible - to support THIS.

In comment 15548487 Jerry in_DC said:

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Always great to see how consistently and aggressively wrong FMiC was. Although he was more polite than usual on that one. Agree with some of the posters above that it was hard to root for the Giants with Gettleman at the helm. Lack of professionalism, complete rejection of any information from after the 80s, utter lack of understanding of details. There are just basic things that people in charge of a team or an organization need to do. They need to be able to communicate in a professional manner. They need to be learning. They need to be humble and review their own decisions and priors. They need to have command of details. Gettleman had none of that. It's just so hard to get behind these fundamental failures of basic leadership principles. I mean, guys make mistakes all the time. Draft picks don't work out. Guys get hurt. Teams get unlucky on the field. This wasn't that. This was a failure of basic competence. This was being lazy, arrogant, impulsive, and rude. I've supported bad teams in the past and will continue to do. That's part of being a sports fan. But it was hard - almost impossible - to support THIS.

Can you imagine working for someone like DG? It would be a disaster.

now let's go win again.

...it is hard to imagine what it's like. There are good ways to make an incompetent boss look good. That can help your career, but tends to require that there are adults higher up on the org chart.

If there are any smart, diligent employees at Giants HQ, I'm sure they were de-motivated, disillusioned, and immensely frustrated.

In comment 15548238 JonC said:

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his health, a consistent pattern of making not just the wrong decisions but the worst decisions possible, refusing to modernize his approach, etc. The biggest decisions felt lazy and dismissive of facts. I think we'll find he was symbolic of the changes required, eg Pettit and Koncz should be worried.

Yeah, you Gen X'rs and Gen Z's just sit down and throw tantrums like our not dearly departed HC when things go sour.

JFC, ageism anyone.

In comment 15548404 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 15548286 christian said: Quote: Look at the diverse set of candidates under consideration today, and compare it to the sham search in 2017. BW was 100% right — it was classic Giants Way thinking. Hire the old GM to recommend interviewing all the greatest hits. Then ultimately hire the old pal. I’m so glad we don’t ever have to hear how unfair of a shake he got in Carolina, how progressive his approach is, and how great he drafted in 2018, again. Great thread from back in early 2018 season, questioning whether fans are concerned DG was the wrong hire. All the usual critics and defenders making their cases... https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=572832&show_all=1

verrrrry interesting comments from some BBIers in that thread.

Oy, bw and Terps were right. Let’s hope optimism is the right take from now onwards.

In comment 15548531 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 15548238 JonC said: Quote: his health, a consistent pattern of making not just the wrong decisions but the worst decisions possible, refusing to modernize his approach, etc. The biggest decisions felt lazy and dismissive of facts. I think we'll find he was symbolic of the changes required, eg Pettit and Koncz should be worried. Yeah, you Gen X'rs and Gen Z's just sit down and throw tantrums like our not dearly departed HC when things go sour. JFC, ageism anyone.

Too old! Buh bye!

In comment 15548597 JonC said:

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In comment 15548531 HomerJones45 said: Quote: In comment 15548238 JonC said: Quote: his health, a consistent pattern of making not just the wrong decisions but the worst decisions possible, refusing to modernize his approach, etc. The biggest decisions felt lazy and dismissive of facts. I think we'll find he was symbolic of the changes required, eg Pettit and Koncz should be worried. Yeah, you Gen X'rs and Gen Z's just sit down and throw tantrums like our not dearly departed HC when things go sour. JFC, ageism anyone. Too old! Buh bye!

Put everyone over 30 in a nursing home!

where a hire started out with buffoonery and ended that way.

4 years of buffoonery. Wire to wire. Has to be some kind of record.

If it didn't come with an arrogant and stubborn personality. He stopped learning decades ago.

Gettleman managed the team with the mental acuity of a two year old.

Rereading that old thread posted above gives me a sense of how bad my PTSD is from these past four years.

from beginning to end of his GM tenure and not see his age was an issue. It affected his entire approach, attitude, treatment of the media, etc. Outdated, childish, petty, cantankerous, the list is long is plain to see.

At one point in time, he was reportedly a sound contributor to the UFAs brought in 15+ years ago. That part of DG was no longer present either, he was just handing out blank checks.

In comment 15548661 JonC said:

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from beginning to end of his GM tenure and not see his age was an issue. It affected his entire approach, attitude, treatment of the media, etc. Outdated, childish, petty, cantankerous, the list is long is plain to see. At one point in time, he was reportedly a sound contributor to the UFAs brought in 15+ years ago. That part of DG was no longer present either, he was just handing out blank checks.

Absolutely was. No question.

I’ve worked with plenty of people who are/were powerhouses into their 60s and 70s.

The key quality I’ve noticed with these folks is an acute ability to listen and not get obsessed with who they once were or how things once were.

Dave Gettleman was so busy making out with his old self in the mirror, he couldn’t be bothered to see that his current self devolved into a total mess.

Absolutely, my boss is in his late 60s and still highly effective because he pays attention, listens, stays engaged, humbly acknowledges his attributes and how age plays a part moving fwd, etc. I know a number of BBIers 65+ who are razor sharp, as well as work colleagues.

But, DG is well past his allotted time as an NFL pro, imo.

he came into the job with a 'look at me' conquering hero personality and viewed getting this job as if he was owed it after getting passed over in favor of Reese.

If a player acted with this sense of superiority and selfishness he would get blasted for it.

Every move was made with the assumption it was correct and would work out. There was no humility whatsoever. And not even a shred of a thought to "what if this doesn't work?"

I think Stewart hasn't lost anything. Clownery.

I'm handing a in-decline tackle top of the league money out of desperation - what could go wrong?

I'm an old school football guy that's going to draft a RB #2 overall without an OL to block for him. - what "old school" football man does this?

Terps and bw were right on it after DG's first season. The die was cast and never really ascended at all, four years torched and wasted.

About the “Assholes need not apply” desk sign tells you all you need to know really. There was a total lack of self-awareness with Gettlemen.

The aggressive stubborn buffoonery that was allowed to go unchecked for four years makes you wonder exactly what Mara was listening to and approving of on a day to day basis.

In comment 15548714 JonC said:

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But, DG is well past his allotted time as an NFL pro, imo.

Exactly. I imagine the end of your career is a lot like the beginning. Lots of listening, alliance building, and trusting goes a long way. Whereas self importance, assumptions, and ego do not.

every good leader I know wants to learn. There is a reason that Buffet, Gates etc. spend a lot of their time reading.

The Giants biggest problem is they as a whole seem to overrate their knowledge by an extreme margin. And when faced with the possibility that they may not have things figured out seem to double down on their egos instead of actually facing the idea that maybe they should learn as much as they can about what they might not be doing well.

he sucked. Leave it at that.

as DG's performance as GM was rungs below his stint as part of pro personnel. Older people tend to get sick, slow down, perform below past markers, et al. I'm approaching 52 and can confirm age can be a factor. Disagree? Debate the point, I won't shut up especially for those who can't see the forest for the trees.

was being hired or considered, made by someone who had been in the building years earlier? It said that, alone amongst NY Giant front office folks, DG made underlings call him "Mr. Gettleman," NEVER "Dave." Would correct anyone who strayed. Small thing, probably petty but it did seem too odd to be fabricated, and definitely hinted at DG's fragile ego and unwillingness to let go of earlier conventions. Always stuck with me for some reason.

In comment 15548404 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 15548286 christian said: Quote: Look at the diverse set of candidates under consideration today, and compare it to the sham search in 2017. BW was 100% right — it was classic Giants Way thinking. Hire the old GM to recommend interviewing all the greatest hits. Then ultimately hire the old pal. I’m so glad we don’t ever have to hear how unfair of a shake he got in Carolina, how progressive his approach is, and how great he drafted in 2018, again. Great thread from back in early 2018 season, questioning whether fans are concerned DG was the wrong hire. All the usual critics and defenders making their cases... https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=572832&show_all=1

Holy crap, Gettleman made so many horrible moves that it's impossible to remember each and every one of them. I completely forgot all about Ogletree!

Gettleman has been a disaster
Go Terps : 9/17/2018 2:42 pm : link
We're caught in a limbo where we are non-competitive now, but aren't really building anything for the future either. We've invested a blue chip pick in a running back, and have huge money tied up in a wide receiver. Those are the types of moves we killed Reese for, but Reese isn't here to kick around anymore. And within a year or two there's a good chance that we'll be overextending for a QB prospect when we could have just sat tight and had him.

It's just been a disaster.

Why Gettleman shouldn't be fired...


https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=591715&show_all=1

In comment 15552016 Jimmy Googs said:

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Why Gettleman shouldn't be fired... https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=591715&show_all=1

That’s a rough one. I had to re-read a number of posts to make sure they weren’t sarcasm.