Save the time and power through more GM interviews, get it done as fast as possible. You have a really good list of candidates, we want you spending the next few days with them so someone is hired in time to get us a good HC.
No one really wants to hear from you that badly.
Didn't someone say they had been speaking with Joe Schoen already?
Like to hear him taking responsibility for the mess of the last decade via meddling and cronyism. The last two days show he’s slowly coming around of the need to transform the organization. But instead of laying the blame on the GM or coach he should be saying it’s on me.
Hopefully reporters dig into whether he personally plans to be involved in the head coaching search or if it’s truly the decision of the new GM?
Q. John, was Kevin Abrams ever a consideration for becoming GM and if not, why?
A. Kevin was a potential consideration until I found out he was as bad at player evaluation as he was at managing the cap.
Q. John, was Chris Mara ever a consideration for GM and if not, why?
A. Chris is, as you already know an owner, so there would be a clear conflict of interest if we made him GM.
Q. John, please one follow up....isn't there a similar conflict though now with Chris having the role of Senior VP of Player Personnel?
A. No, because he really just uses that office we gave him to keep up with news on his ponies and play Minecraft.
Save the time and power through more GM interviews, get it done as fast as possible. You have a really good list of candidates, we want you spending the next few days with them so someone is hired in time to get us a good HC.
No one really wants to hear from you that badly.
And if Mara didn't face the press some would be criticising him for ducking the media and the fans.
Mara has 2 GM interviews today and 2 more tomorrow. I think he's got time for a presser.
that NOBODY asks a softball/kiss-ass question, and that the heat is kept on for the entire PC, what's Hanlon gonna do, pull the entire beat's press passes? I wish they would get after him and not let him off the hook.
"John, you have mentioned in the past that many decisions are formed with a collaborative approach (HC, Draft, FA, etc.). You have mentioned building a consensus. Can you better explain what this entails and what changes if any are you going to implement with the new GM"?
We need to let Mara constantly know..every day that its his family. He, Chris and Tim that are to blame for this and Giant fans want real changes in the front office. What role do the mara's have in the complete distruction of this franchise? That would be a solid question to ask. The Giants are by far the worst team in the entire NFL. He has to hear these words.
Firing the GM and Coach both who he hired and he kept this Disaster of a GM on for 4 years...is a good start. We need more sweeping changes. The main problem is the nepotism in this awful organization. Not one pat on the back for this big gigantic moron today.
Hopefully there will be a reporter who has the journalistic
integrity to ask the most important question at this point which is "what changes are you contemplating to the player personnel department"? Chris Mara's presence as an important member of the player personnel department (he holds the title of VP) is the only thing left which e a real turn off to potential GM candidates. He needs to address that issue.
RE: Hopefully there will be a reporter who has the journalistic
integrity to ask the most important question at this point which is "what changes are you contemplating to the player personnel department"? Chris Mara's presence as an important member of the player personnel department (he holds the title of VP) is the only thing left which e a real turn off to potential GM candidates. He needs to address that issue.
That is a valid question. Therefore, it should be asked, and Mara should answer. It's really time to get underneath this issue and find out if the incoming GM can really dictate how personnel is staffed.
meant to be insightful from those meant to be humorous from those that seem just angry. I have been here since “Pete’s” and can’t remember such self confidence in so many posters sense of importance, knowledge, or their own sense of humor. So many good posters missing it’s like the site has undergone a major roster change and the result is far worse than ever.
the good side is it makes for less to do as I can read far less here and use my time more efficiently. Still have great appreciation for Eric’s success at his dream and providing a place that could be enjoyable for Giant fans.
Art and Ralph mentioning on Twitter that Gettleman is getting off light compared to Judge.
then one of their first questions should be "Why wasn't Dave Gettleman made available during the season prior to his retirement? What message does that send to the paying customer?"
I still fear that, regardless of whom we hire at the top,
the folks who grade linemen will be the same as the ones who brought us Richburg, Pugh, Flowers, and Hernandez – all drafted far too high. We did well with Thomas, but it was hard to go wrong with a quartet of good tackles in 2020.
RE: I still fear that, regardless of whom we hire at the top,
the folks who grade linemen will be the same as the ones who brought us Richburg, Pugh, Flowers, and Hernandez – all drafted far too high. We did well with Thomas, but it was hard to go wrong with a quartet of good tackles in 2020.
With the expectation they are going totally outside the organization for the next GM and head coach, there is optimism a fresh set of scouts will get it rioght this time
“We are moving Chris Mara and Petit to different jobs within the organization so to illustrate zero interference with Player personnel decisions.
We thank Joe for his efforts and many of his changes, but felt he wasn’t seasoned enough for this job in our marketplace. Therefore, Steve and I have agreed to go with our new GMs recommendations on coaches as well as player personnel decisions.
We anticipate being in or very near being in the playoff next season. Either way, the NY Giants product will be an enjoyable and competitive contest.”
RE: this season or year, i find it difficult to separate threads which are
Think some on BBI are going to be disappointed. Mara isn’t going to say anything of substance. He’s going to say he is disappointed how this season went. He expects better and is looking to get better. Blah, blah, blah.
Mara: “I still think there is a good head coach inside Joe Judge.”
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John Mara said he "obviously wasn’t thrilled" with the press conference that included Joe Judge's 11-minute rant, "But I can’t say there was one specific act that was a last straw. It was a culmination of things. ...
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(More Mara) "... It just got to the point where we dug a hole so deep I didn’t see a clear path getting out of it unless we started all over again."
Why should Giants fans trust John Mara will get things right this time? Said Mara: "Well, I haven’t given them any reason to believe that. It’s up to Steve and I to make the right choices going forward to earn back their trust. That is not going to be an overnight process."
John Mara said he's not looking for a GM/coach to come as a "package deal".
"I want to go through a complete process and interview as many people as possible," he said. "I don’t want to rush into anything. We’ve made that mistake in the past."
John Mara said he feels "very good" about his pool of GM candidates and believes he can make the right choice. "Obviously I don’t expect a lot of people to believe that given what’s happened over the last few years," he said.
(More Mara) "... It just got to the point where we dug a hole so deep I didn’t see a clear path getting out of it unless we started all over again."
John Mara said he "obviously wasn’t thrilled" with the press conference that included Joe Judge's 11-minute rant, "But I can’t say there was one specific act that was a last straw. It was a culmination of things. ...
John Mara said "I still think there is a good head coach inside Joe Judge" but he wanted to give the new GM flexibility to start over with a new one.
John Mara said that Chris Mara spends most of his time doing evaluation of college players and he particiaptes in the draft but all personnel decisions have been made by the GM and HC. #Giants
and we cannot even hear or watch the owner's press conference. In the end, not surprising when you step back and see what kind of a shit show everything related to this team has become.
John Mara said the now-famous back-to-back QB sneaks in the finale "weren’t my favorite play calls in the world. But that was just one minor factor in the overall scheme of things."
Said John Mara: "All personnel decisions in this building have ben made by the GM and head coach. When they agree on a personell decision they come to me with it, and if they both agree, I OK it."
He said the only time he'll overrule them is if there's an off-field conduct issue
John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
John Mara: "This is a very desirable job. I think this is an organization people want to work for."
John Mara said no one has turned down any interview requests yet.
John Mara said that Chris Mara spends most of his time doing evaluation of college players and he particiaptes in the draft but all personnel decisions have been made by the GM and HC. #Giants
Follow up Question should have been "With such poor results from drafts pick results how do you justify NOT FIRING HIM?"
John Mara said that Chris Mara spends most of his time doing evaluation of college players and he particiaptes in the draft but all personnel decisions have been made by the GM and HC. #Giants
Participating in the draft is participating in personnel decisions.
Both John and Chris are in the draft preparation room with the GM.
And absurd to think that their personnel involvement stops at the draft.
The questions about Chris are a distraction from the fact that John himself has far more practical say over personnel decisions.
Asked if this is the most embarrassed he's ever been about the state of the Giants' franchise, John Mara said: "Honestly, I would have to say yes. Yes it is. I kept thinking during the season we had hit rock bottom, then each week it got a little worse."
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Ummm. So then why is Chris Mara involved in the GM interviews?
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Asked if this is the most embarrassed he's ever been about the state of the Giants' franchise, John Mara said: "Honestly, I would have to say yes. Yes it is. I kept thinking during the season we had hit rock bottom, then each week it got a little worse."
John Mara said that Chris Mara spends most of his time doing evaluation of college players and he particiaptes in the draft but all personnel decisions have been made by the GM and HC. #Giants
can you sticky a post or put it on the home page permanently?
I guess the Giants saw what happened in Chicago yesterday
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Ummm. So then why is Chris Mara involved in the GM interviews?
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John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
Ummm. So then why is Chris Mara involved in the GM interviews?
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As for whether he needs to show more patience with his GMs and head coaches this time around, John Mara said "I very badly wanted to do that this year, but I just didn’t see any end in sight."
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Ummm. So then why is Chris Mara involved in the GM interviews?
John Mara understands that the franchise instability will be a concern for GM and head coach candidates with the Giants.
"I certainly think it will be a factor that some of these candidates will consider," he said. "That’s something we’ll have to overcome in these interviews."
As for whether he needs to show more patience with his GMs and head coaches this time around, John Mara said "I very badly wanted to do that this year, but I just didn’t see any end in sight."
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John Mara vehemently pushes back against his family as the problem. Says Chris Mara has "no authority," but grants he has personnel input and was part of today's first GM interview.
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John Mara vehemently pushes back against his family as the problem. Says Chris Mara has "no authority," but grants he has personnel input and was part of today's first GM interview.
I don't know if that's true or not, but I can buy that. I can see him having persuasive authority, but to what extent I'm not sure.
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Q: Is this the lowest moment you’ve had being with the #NYG?
John Mara: “Honestly, I would have to say yes. I kept thinking during the season we had hit rock bottom — and each week, it got worse.”
I actually really like this answer. It's no bull shit, no spin. Good for him
It's also the truth that we all experienced as fans.
Mara gets nailed here no matter which way he goes but, you can clearly see he wanted things to work with Judge. I think he even knew that DG was a big problem (but once season started and his contract was coming up, they just had to ride that out) but then Judge started doing his BS lectures about the culture he is creating (ie totally ignoring the ineptitude on the field) and his words became more a shot at others in the past and other teams in the league and that just wasn't going to fly.
A lot of what John Mara said today felt familiar to 2018 and 2020. There's cause for hope due to this expanded search for a GM, but ownership is 0-for-4 on GM/HC hires since 2015. As Mara said, he hasn't given any reason to believe he'll get it right this time.
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John Mara vehemently pushes back against his family as the problem. Says Chris Mara has "no authority," but grants he has personnel input and was part of today's first GM interview.
I don't know if that's true or not, but I can buy that. I can see him having persuasive authority, but to what extent I'm not sure.
Leonard is a turd
Go read the other Beats, Mara said Chris gives his evaluations on college players but has no say or decision making powers, its up to thr GM and Coach
you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
A lot of what John Mara said today felt familiar to 2018 and 2020. There's cause for hope due to this expanded search for a GM, but ownership is 0-for-4 on GM/HC hires since 2015. As Mara said, he hasn't given any reason to believe he'll get it right this time.
No offense that shit means nothing. They hired DG and he basically oversaw the fall the last 5 years. The Giants have cleared the decks and we are moving forward.
like most of us but at this point it comes down to John and Tisch making one GOOD decision. Just hire the right GM and everything from the coach to scouting to making the right decisions on Jones/Barkely will follow.
Just make ONE FUCKING GOOD gm hire and we are golden.
At the end of the day I root for the Giants, John Mara has undoubtedly made some terrible decisions but I have no personal disdain for the guy.
I don't need more questions to continually rehash where we're at b/c we all know where the Giants are. Rock bottom.
As Cowherd said today, just let go of the past (good & bad) and focus on the future.
Today, 1/12, I am excited for the future. But also not naïve, the personnel department needs to be overhauled. Words are words, actions are actions. Hire a qualified GM and let him mold football ops.
The one thing that does provide optimism is that John Mara all but admitted the last GM search was, shall I say, flawed. He used the worked "rushed." Giants seem intent on having a more extensive process this time around. "We're going to try not to make that mistake," he said.
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John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
Ummm. So then why is Chris Mara involved in the GM interviews?
probably the whole owner thing...
That seems to be a conflict of interests to me...
Well, it's not to me. Over the last two days John Mara has made it perfectly clear as to:
1) what his new GM will be responsible for
2) who is making the player decisions
3) what Chris Mara does in the office
There is no issue here other than if you want to call John a flat out liar and back it up with proof.
I just want the media to ask legit questions. John is essentially a good guy but he needs to be pressed on the mistakes and what they will do differently.
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John Mara vehemently pushes back against his family as the problem. Says Chris Mara has "no authority," but grants he has personnel input and was part of today's first GM interview.
I don't know if that's true or not, but I can buy that. I can see him having persuasive authority, but to what extent I'm not sure.
Leonard is a turd
Go read the other Beats, Mara said Chris gives his evaluations on college players but has no say or decision making powers, its up to thr GM and Coach
I wrote this in the other thread, but that seems to be a conflict of interests unless Chris really will yield to the GM. I mean he evaluates college players and has opinions on who to draft...but it'll ultimately be up to the GM...who Chris Mara will have a say (maybe not a strong say, but a say) in who gets that job.
Oh so he’s responsible for evaluating college prospects? How has that gone since he’s stepped into the role? Do you think he’s proven he deserves to keep that job?
you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
becaise that is his job, if the guy wasmt named Mara you would have no idea who it is..He gives the evaluations on certain players, if a GM or coach is making the decision jist off of those evals they shouldnt be GM..
the GM is supposed to take input from a bunch of people but in the end the decision is up to him
The one thing that does provide optimism is that John Mara all but admitted the last GM search was, shall I say, flawed. He used the worked "rushed." Giants seem intent on having a more extensive process this time around. "We're going to try not to make that mistake," he said.
I don't recall it even being that rushed. It seemed more like going through the motions and coming to an inevitable and telegraphed conclusion.
you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
What kind of Giants fan doesn't know how to spell "Mara"?
At the end of the day I root for the Giants, John Mara has undoubtedly made some terrible decisions but I have no personal disdain for the guy.
I don't need more questions to continually rehash where we're at b/c we all know where the Giants are. Rock bottom.
As Cowherd said today, just let go of the past (good & bad) and focus on the future.
Today, 1/12, I am excited for the future. But also not naïve, the personnel department needs to be overhauled. Words are words, actions are actions. Hire a qualified GM and let him mold football ops.
you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
What kind of Giants fan doesn't know how to spell "Mara"?
if Gettleman and Judge took Chris Maras advice or went against it, you have zero idea but of course it is Chris Maras fault..
And you have no idea either. That's the problem. All we know is that Chris Mara is involved in college scouting. To what extent, none of us know. Is it a hobby? Is it a FT job? How much of a say does he have? How strongly does he feel about certain draft philosophies or players?
Lol why aren’t Frank Mara and Jon Tisch there too?
Because it's not a Senate Oversight Committee hearing with 25+ people...its an interview.
I actually think it’s great Chris is there. He’s an owner and he advises on college prospects. He’s involved tangentially in football. John and Steve value his opinion.
The other owners are not, so they are not involved.
WTF is that so hard for Mara to say?
What kind of a moron doesn't know how to spell moron?
At the end of the day I root for the Giants, John Mara has undoubtedly made some terrible decisions but I have no personal disdain for the guy.
I don't need more questions to continually rehash where we're at b/c we all know where the Giants are. Rock bottom.
As Cowherd said today, just let go of the past (good & bad) and focus on the future.
Today, 1/12, I am excited for the future. But also not naïve, the personnel department needs to be overhauled. Words are words, actions are actions. Hire a qualified GM and let him mold football ops.
I don’t really have a problem with anything Mara said. He was NOT going to throw Dave under the bus, he doesn’t do that. He really wanted Judge to work out? No shot Sherlock, we ALL did. His brother is an owner AND a dept head. He should have questions in that regard for candidates. If he is recognizing the mistakes that have been made and is trying to do things the right way now, that’s progress amd a better direction.
if Gettleman and Judge took Chris Maras advice or went against it, you have zero idea but of course it is Chris Maras fault..
The brother of the boss and a part-owner would carry a lot of weight even if he does not know anything about players.
You realize Chris Mara actually has worked as a scout for a long time right? so it was ok during their superbowl years but not now because they are losing?
Lol why aren’t Frank Mara and Jon Tisch there too?
Because it's not a Senate Oversight Committee hearing with 25+ people...its an interview.
I actually think it’s great Chris is there. He’s an owner and he advises on college prospects. He’s involved tangentially in football. John and Steve value his opinion.
The other owners are not, so they are not involved.
WTF is that so hard for Mara to say?
He said some of it.
And maybe Chris's opinion isn't really all that valued or he didn't want to make a remark as to involvement of other owners. Not sure these couple of words are mission critical, are they?
anything John Mara said here. It's apparent that there wasn't anything he could possibly say that would satisfy all the posters here. But it looks like he is committedd to a fresh start and that's what we all wanted. As far as Chris Mara, that get's blown up here, he is part of ownership, it wouldn't be practical to demand he severs all ties to the management. As far as I'm concerned with this statement, so far, so good. We will be watching.
two years trashing Pat Leonard but now he's Bob Woodward to the same people...
Pat Leonard is still a bitch. And the degree to which some of you are foaming at the mouth to see Chris Mara sentenced to no less than public execution is mind numbing.
Gettleman’s gone. Judge is gone. Let’s see if they can get the new GM hire right this time
if Gettleman and Judge took Chris Maras advice or went against it, you have zero idea but of course it is Chris Maras fault..
The brother of the boss and a part-owner would carry a lot of weight even if he does not know anything about players.
You realize Chris Mara actually has worked as a scout for a long time right? so it was ok during their superbowl years but not now because they are losing?
It was probably "okay" then because they had an adult in the room in Tom Coughlin.
two years trashing Pat Leonard but now he's Bob Woodward to the same people...
Pat Leonard is still a bitch. And the degree to which some of you are foaming at the mouth to see Chris Mara sentenced to no less than public execution is mind numbing.
Gettleman’s gone. Judge is gone. Let’s see if they can get the new GM hire right this time
And maybe Chris's opinion isn't really all that valued or he didn't want to make a remark as to involvement of other owners. Not sure these couple of words are mission critical, are they?
I’m just being sarcastic about the other owners being there. We all know why they aren’t, they have nothing to do with football.
If they don’t value Chris’s opinion, he has no authority, and he’s not making the decision — might as well invite Alf.
RE: this season or year, i find it difficult to separate threads which are
you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
What kind of Giants fan doesn't know how to spell "Mara"?
Thank you Gatorade. That isn’t a typo. That’s how you separate the fans from the trolls.
With letting the GM lead the coaching search and letting the GM/Coach make the decision on Jones and personnel then I could live with the weird media/broadcast rules and him getting defensive about the nepotism. We'll see.
There is no issue here other than if you want to call John a flat out liar and back it up with proof.
Jimmy
There have been disagreements here as to whether Chris Mara has any impact at all on the players who are brought in here.
None of us know the real answer. However, anyone with the ability to do some mental math can come to this conclusion.
First, Chris Mara has been tied to scouting to some degree for decades
Second, the organization has been accused of allowing family (specifically Chris) to make player personnel decisions when they should leave that to professionals.
Third, John Mara refuses to at least give Chris Mara some other job in the organization. Something that would distract the fans from looking in this direction.
Fourth, why does Chris Mara continue to hold his title? They could make him director of marketing while he continues to analyze players with his office door closed.
WHY DOES HE STILL HAVE THE JOB TITLE despite so much pressure from the fan base? The answer is simple... HE IS a contributor to the decisions that are being made. There are interviews with Chris Mara going way back where he specifically says he was pushing for specific players in the draft room.
He is not just sitting at home collecting a pay check
And maybe Chris's opinion isn't really all that valued or he didn't want to make a remark as to involvement of other owners. Not sure these couple of words are mission critical, are they?
I’m just being sarcastic about the other owners being there. We all know why they aren’t, they have nothing to do with football.
If they don’t value Chris’s opinion, he has no authority, and he’s not making the decision — might as well invite Alf.
Ha...my guess is they would get more horsepower out of Alf than Chris anyway!
anything John Mara said here. It's apparent that there wasn't anything he could possibly say that would satisfy all the posters here. But it looks like he is committedd to a fresh start and that's what we all wanted. As far as Chris Mara, that get's blown up here, he is part of ownership, it wouldn't be practical to demand he severs all ties to the management. As far as I'm concerned with this statement, so far, so good. We will be watching.
So true.
John Mara has done everything asked of him so far in the first 3 days of this offseason, complete with a who's who list of top GM candidates from organizations all across the current playoff spectrum and some of you are still acting crazy.
you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
What kind of Giants fan doesn't know how to spell "Mara"?
A badd onne
If Chris has a nothing function with a fancy title
you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
The big take I got out of it was that Mara recognizes that they have to essentially have to blow it up again without saying it. I think he sees as I did and many others that it would be impossible to keep Judge seeing how much they have to address roster wise.
He said "He thinks there is a good HC still inside Joe." Like him as a person and it heart wrenching to John having to make that long walk down the hall to move on from someone.
He is acknowledging things have been bad for quite a few years. I think this is a great step in the recovery. We'll see how it plays out and who gets the chance.
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John Mara sounds like someone who doesn't intend to make meaningful change with the organization.
He essentially ignores/dodges two questions about allowing GM Dave Gettleman to "retire."
All media was allowed one question, no follow-ups.
Steve Tisch not part of the call.
I don't see the BFD in allowing a 70 yr old to "retire". I'm pretty sure plenty of retirement aged guys have "retired" in similar circumstances (i.e., vs. being fired). We have bigger things to be concerned about, including getting the new GM right.
If you're not going to stream it live, don't announce to your fans it will take place by Zoom at 1:15 and have us hanging on pins and needles to watch it during the middle of our work day and look around for outlets to carry it, only to be told by the press after it began that it was not to be aired live. Weak sauce cowardly stuff.
They screwed up in the past on coach and GM hirings. Now is the time to get it right finally. He needs to get the GM hiring right and let his new GM structure the personnel, scouting and coaching depts. as he sees fit.
I feel a lot better about JM today than I did several days ago. He could of continued the BS Giants Way but he knew the organization hit rock bottom and needed to clean house.
He needs to rebuild trust with the fan base and this is a good start IMHO.
There is no issue here other than if you want to call John a flat out liar and back it up with proof.
Jimmy
There have been disagreements here as to whether Chris Mara has any impact at all on the players who are brought in here.
None of us know the real answer. However, anyone with the ability to do some mental math can come to this conclusion.
First, Chris Mara has been tied to scouting to some degree for decades
Second, the organization has been accused of allowing family (specifically Chris) to make player personnel decisions when they should leave that to professionals.
Third, John Mara refuses to at least give Chris Mara some other job in the organization. Something that would distract the fans from looking in this direction.
Fourth, why does Chris Mara continue to hold his title? They could make him director of marketing while he continues to analyze players with his office door closed.
WHY DOES HE STILL HAVE THE JOB TITLE despite so much pressure from the fan base? The answer is simple... HE IS a contributor to the decisions that are being made. There are interviews with Chris Mara going way back where he specifically says he was pushing for specific players in the draft room.
He is not just sitting at home collecting a pay check
No. John just remarked how he doesn't really have any influence and just does some college player evaluations. Evaluations that probably the GM/Coaches made not even rely upon as they are the one making the player decisions anyway.
I wouldn't give him a title if it were me, but at some point you all are going to have to think clearly about how meaningless Alf, excuse me...Chris Mara and his role is in the overall scheme of roster building decisions for the Giants.
The GM drives the bus...
This must have been a really tough press conference to do
He stood up there, took tough questions and had to admit it is the most embarrassed he's ever been, admitted to mistakes in the last GM search, and had to defend the role his brother plays. That's pretty tough and I salute him for that.
That doesn't mean that he will hire the right GM or that the organizational problems will be fixed, but facing up to a VERY hostile public is a necessary first step
Oh so he’s responsible for evaluating college prospects? How has that gone since he’s stepped into the role? Do you think he’s proven he deserves to keep that job?
How the fuck would we know if he's proven he deserves to keep the job? We don't get to see his evaluations. Maybe they were spot on, but got ignored. What is this obsession with Chris Mara? Are people simply jealous of him?
The big take I got out of it was that Mara recognizes that they have to essentially have to blow it up again without saying it. I think he sees as I did and many others that it would be impossible to keep Judge seeing how much they have to address roster wise.
He said "He thinks there is a good HC still inside Joe." Like him as a person and it heart wrenching to John having to make that long walk down the hall to move on from someone.
He is acknowledging things have been bad for quite a few years. I think this is a great step in the recovery. We'll see how it plays out and who gets the chance.
He actually did use the term “blow it up” which is a good thing 👍
you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
What kind of Giants fan doesn't know how to spell "Mara"?
According to John, himself, Chris spends most of his time in player evaluations. He is the head of the personnel department. So what does that mean? My assumption is that the people working UNDER Chris do all the scouting, based on criteria handed to them by Chris. I assume Chris has ultimate say in which scouts are hired and fired. I assume Chris has subjective input and oversight into what each evaluation ends up looking like. And then these evaluations get passed up to the GM and become the primary basis for how the Giants' draft board ends up looking. I don't know how much personal evaluation was done by our past GMs or will be done by our future one. Do they really have the time for large scale independent evaluations? My guess is that for the most part they are guided by the documents that they get from Chris. So whether or not Chris makes decisions in the draft room, he has had substantial input into those decisions. As they say GI/GO
The big take I got out of it was that Mara recognizes that they have to essentially have to blow it up again without saying it. I think he sees as I did and many others that it would be impossible to keep Judge seeing how much they have to address roster wise.
He said "He thinks there is a good HC still inside Joe." Like him as a person and it heart wrenching to John having to make that long walk down the hall to move on from someone.
He is acknowledging things have been bad for quite a few years. I think this is a great step in the recovery. We'll see how it plays out and who gets the chance.
He actually did use the term “blow it up” which is a good thing 👍
But the potentially bad thing is that John thinks that firing the GM and coach constitutes blowing it up, and that nothing else needs to be done. He apparently thinks, at least out loud, that the family is not something that needs to be fixed.
Clearly the McCaskey debacle in Chicago spooked them
According to John, himself, Chris spends most of his time in player evaluations. He is the head of the personnel department. So what does that mean? My assumption is that the people working UNDER Chris do all the scouting, based on criteria handed to them by Chris. I assume Chris has ultimate say in which scouts are hired and fired. I assume Chris has subjective input and oversight into what each evaluation ends up looking like. And then these evaluations get passed up to the GM and become the primary basis for how the Giants' draft board ends up looking. I don't know how much personal evaluation was done by our past GMs or will be done by our future one. Do they really have the time for large scale independent evaluations? My guess is that for the most part they are guided by the documents that they get from Chris. So whether or not Chris makes decisions in the draft room, he has had substantial input into those decisions. As they say GI/GO
Way too many leaps in this.
We know Getts turned over scouting, changed internal player eval processes. John Mara also said Chris' college player evals get loaded into their system with the rest of of them. He never said his become the primary source to create a Draft Board, picking the players or quite frankly even used.
Oh so he’s responsible for evaluating college prospects? How has that gone since he’s stepped into the role? Do you think he’s proven he deserves to keep that job?
How the fuck would we know if he's proven he deserves to keep the job? We don't get to see his evaluations. Maybe they were spot on, but got ignored. What is this obsession with Chris Mara? Are people simply jealous of him?
According to the information under "Team Administration", he is "Senior Vice President of Player Personnel" Do you think the team has done a good job with player personnel? Do you think he would keep the job if his name was not Mara?
Jawn danced around a bit with this one. He said he has no authority which would indicate that he sits in his office and plays the ponies. Then he said he has "input" and does "evaluations of college players" where we also haven't exactly been stellar, but the GM and HC make the call.
Ok, that begs the question as to whether when an owner and Senior VP of Player Personnel says "Joe Blow's scouting report has red flags because of a, b, and c" or "Joe Blow has a great scouting report because of x, y and z", do the GM and HC just ignore it? Go to Jawn so he decides? Go along? Given the issues in acquiring players, these are legitimate questions
We really need Fmic to come back to the site as this
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decent man. And he did graduate Fordham Law School so he's probably no academic slouch.
But it is HIS organization and the Giants record since the start of the 2017 season is worse than abysmal.
THAT'S on John Mara.
At this stage, I'll take a little less decency and a little less academic prowess for a team that can make us feel proud again!
Don't be so kind. Its been since 2013 with one season where everything went well and still that playoff game was horrible. Hopefully this is the end of the meddling. But it starts with the SB Clock, WCO and continued thereafter. If Mara finally recognizes it has been mostly a talent issue then we are in good shape if he is hiring someone to correct that long standing issue.
at some point you all are going to have to think clearly about how meaningless Alf, excuse me...Chris Mara and his role is in the overall scheme of roster building decisions for the Giants.
The GM drives the bus...
Again... why wont they just announce Chris is no longer involved in the player personnel department? They can remove doubt in everyone's minds by doing so. The fact that they will not do that meant that he is a contributor AND he does not want to stop contributing.
If Alf is meaningless to the whole scheme then why will they not move him into a different role? Nobody is answering that.
RE: I guess the Giants saw what happened in Chicago yesterday
at some point you all are going to have to think clearly about how meaningless Alf, excuse me...Chris Mara and his role is in the overall scheme of roster building decisions for the Giants.
The GM drives the bus...
Again... why wont they just announce Chris is no longer involved in the player personnel department? They can remove doubt in everyone's minds by doing so. The fact that they will not do that meant that he is a contributor AND he does not want to stop contributing.
If Alf is meaningless to the whole scheme then why will they not move him into a different role? Nobody is answering that.
Well, maybe you're right but Alf's contributions are helpful from time to time. So no harm in reading his college player evals, even if not always relied upon.
John getting defensive of the Chris and Tim question
I read one guy saying who knows what player personnel does without realizing that pretty much every GM candidate the Giants are interviewing is in another teams personnel department.
So if Chris Mara is the top guy in that department and doesn't do much it might explain why the Giants draft so poorly.
You have to be a complete idiot to think one of the 4 owners listed on the Giants web site under OWNERSHIP isn't heavily influencing any discussion he's part of. Whether it's consciously or unconsciously an owner employee conversation is not a level playing field or fertile ground for sharing unfiltered ideas.
The Giants aren't a laughing stock because of bad luck. They're a laughing stock because of bad management. That management is 100% lead by John and Chris Mara and if they keep doing what they've done for the past 10 years they're going to keep getting the same results. It doesn't matter how many times they change the name on the door of the GM and head coach offices. It does not work.
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Well, maybe you're right but Alf's contributions are helpful from time to time. So no harm in reading his college player evals, even if not always relied upon.
Jimmy
I just listened to John Mara's press conference. This is what he said about Chris Mara and his player evaluation contributions.
"His grades go into our system and he participates in the draft"
"He is a very skilled evaluator"
"I go to him"
"he does not make the final decision. The General manager and he head coach make the final decision"
So based upon this, it seems that the GM and coach are using Chris' talent evaluation skills (grades) as a factor in deciding who to select. Are you comfortable with this knowing the team has struggled with talent evaluation and Chris has been the common denominator here?
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Well, maybe you're right but Alf's contributions are helpful from time to time. So no harm in reading his college player evals, even if not always relied upon.
Jimmy
I just listened to John Mara's press conference. This is what he said about Chris Mara and his player evaluation contributions.
"His grades go into our system and he participates in the draft"
"He is a very skilled evaluator"
"I go to him"
"he does not make the final decision. The General manager and he head coach make the final decision"
So based upon this, it seems that the GM and coach are using Chris' talent evaluation skills (grades) as a factor in deciding who to select. Are you comfortable with this knowing the team has struggled with talent evaluation and Chris has been the common denominator here?
Mara put all personnel decisions squarely on the tandem of Head Coach and General Manager. They are the ones picking the players and John Mara accepts all their choices unless there are outside personal issues. The only rule is that the HC and GM BOTH want the player. Then it's a done deal.
He and Chris are owners, and they will meddle. But if they can get a smarter voice than Gettleman (that bar is in the Earth's core) the process will improve by default.
I think this year was, finally and mercifully, bottom.
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Mara put all personnel decisions squarely on the tandem of Head Coach and General Manager. They are the ones picking the players and John Mara accepts all their choices unless there are outside personal issues. The only rule is that the HC and GM BOTH want the player. Then it's a done deal.
Yes, the HC and GM make the final choices. But they make them based largely on the information and evaluations they get from the Personnel Dept. If the Personnel Dept sucks, the choices are gonna suck
Well, maybe you're right but Alf's contributions are helpful from time to time. So no harm in reading his college player evals, even if not always relied upon.
Jimmy
I just listened to John Mara's press conference. This is what he said about Chris Mara and his player evaluation contributions.
"His grades go into our system and he participates in the draft"
"He is a very skilled evaluator"
"I go to him"
"he does not make the final decision. The General manager and he head coach make the final decision"
So based upon this, it seems that the GM and coach are using Chris' talent evaluation skills (grades) as a factor in deciding who to select. Are you comfortable with this knowing the team has struggled with talent evaluation and Chris has been the common denominator here?
I am comfortable in hiring a new GM who drives the process, whether Chris stays in place or not. My preference is he doesn't but not enough to care.
get smarter, more modern football minds in the building to manage the show. By default, it should have an impact on improving scouting, and if it doesn't, then the GM has material ammo to make scouting changes.
It has to start somewhere, and we know it's unlikely family members are moved out this offseason.
Why is that so hard to believe? Why is it hard to believe that as an owner he rightfully gives his opinion without having authority over the final decision?
This is how the Giants do business and it's been how they've done business for several decades. Dan Reeves didn't understand why they needed multiple opinions on each prospect, he described the Giants War Room as the most argumentative place he'd ever been. But the Giants philosophy was to encourage those arguments, they wanted to see which prospects got the most passionate support.
The key is to keep track of who said what and how it worked out for that prospect's NFL career. And I'm quite sure the Giants do that. They would have to be all kinds of incompetent not to. And so Chris Mara's past opinions have been logged and his future opinions will be valued based on his track record, not his last name.
get smarter, more modern football minds in the building to manage the show. By default, it should have an impact on improving scouting, and if it doesn't, then the GM has material ammo to make scouting changes.
It has to start somewhere, and we know it's unlikely family members are moved out this offseason.
Thought it was a decent press conference. Yeah, there was some fudging about Chris Mara's role, but ok. Another poster said Jawn was a decent guy and no idiot, and he is.
I think he was genuinely embarrassed by the state of the team. He seems to have gotten the message that his family's influence on football matters is an issue with fans. He said it wasn't necessary to fire Gettlemen in mid-season, and he was right there too; the damage was done, his contract was up, and nothing was to be gained by throwing the guy out the front door. He was forthright in saying they made a mistake in their hiring process the last time and they were not going to repeat the mistake. He was also forthright in saying he had given the fans little reason to think good decisions will be made.
They have certainly cast a wide net for a GM. So, hopefully he follows through.
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John Mara sounds like someone who doesn't intend to make meaningful change with the organization.
He essentially ignores/dodges two questions about allowing GM Dave Gettleman to "retire."
All media was allowed one question, no follow-ups.
Steve Tisch not part of the call.
I don't see the BFD in allowing a 70 yr old to "retire". I'm pretty sure plenty of retirement aged guys have "retired" in similar circumstances (i.e., vs. being fired). We have bigger things to be concerned about, including getting the new GM right.
DR D, the fans want a pound of flesh and a pelt of the wall for this disaster that's why.Firing DG last month would have added accountability
Why is that so hard to believe? Why is it hard to believe that as an owner he rightfully gives his opinion without having authority over the final decision?
This is how the Giants do business and it's been how they've done business for several decades. Dan Reeves didn't understand why they needed multiple opinions on each prospect, he described the Giants War Room as the most argumentative place he'd ever been. But the Giants philosophy was to encourage those arguments, they wanted to see which prospects got the most passionate support.
The key is to keep track of who said what and how it worked out for that prospect's NFL career. And I'm quite sure the Giants do that. They would have to be all kinds of incompetent not to. And so Chris Mara's past opinions have been logged and his future opinions will be valued based on his track record, not his last name.
I think you're removing a lot of the human element if you believe it's that simple.This is a guy who wanted to be GM.There have been numerous articles saying he's not involved,one which was very recent.He's gone on radio shows talking about the Giants draft.He still has a job after all the shit that's gone on,and not in the mail room either.
So you add all that up,maybe a few things I'm leaving out,but that's why it's hard to believe.
No one really wants to hear from you that badly.
hahhahaah - I can't figure out how to do it either :)
They have to satisfy the Rooney Rule first.
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Maybe it was all in place...
They have to satisfy the Rooney Rule first.
They interviewed Adrian Wilson today.
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Maybe it was all in place...
They have to satisfy the Rooney Rule first.
They interview Queintin Harris today.
Hopefully reporters dig into whether he personally plans to be involved in the head coaching search or if it’s truly the decision of the new GM?
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Maybe it was all in place...
They have to satisfy the Rooney Rule first.
They interview Queintin Harris today.
Tomorrow
A. Kevin was a potential consideration until I found out he was as bad at player evaluation as he was at managing the cap.
Q. John, was Chris Mara ever a consideration for GM and if not, why?
A. Chris is, as you already know an owner, so there would be a clear conflict of interest if we made him GM.
Q. John, please one follow up....isn't there a similar conflict though now with Chris having the role of Senior VP of Player Personnel?
A. No, because he really just uses that office we gave him to keep up with news on his ponies and play Minecraft.
No one really wants to hear from you that badly.
And if Mara didn't face the press some would be criticising him for ducking the media and the fans.
Mara has 2 GM interviews today and 2 more tomorrow. I think he's got time for a presser.
Given all three are in the playoffs and Mara is presumably in New Jersey, I doubt this is an announcement.
I strongly doubt it, they risk much with this tactic. Need the new GM to be a strong individual who's able to spot and move out the poor performers.
Unlike Monday when he let Logan Ryan take his bullets.
It's gonna be live on WFAN. Heard them say that when I was in the car.
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It's gonna be live on WFAN. Heard them say that when I was in the car.
Thanks, Dave.
Firing the GM and Coach both who he hired and he kept this Disaster of a GM on for 4 years...is a good start. We need more sweeping changes. The main problem is the nepotism in this awful organization. Not one pat on the back for this big gigantic moron today.
That is a valid question. Therefore, it should be asked, and Mara should answer. It's really time to get underneath this issue and find out if the incoming GM can really dictate how personnel is staffed.
the good side is it makes for less to do as I can read far less here and use my time more efficiently. Still have great appreciation for Eric’s success at his dream and providing a place that could be enjoyable for Giant fans.
then one of their first questions should be "Why wasn't Dave Gettleman made available during the season prior to his retirement? What message does that send to the paying customer?"
With the expectation they are going totally outside the organization for the next GM and head coach, there is optimism a fresh set of scouts will get it rioght this time
We thank Joe for his efforts and many of his changes, but felt he wasn’t seasoned enough for this job in our marketplace. Therefore, Steve and I have agreed to go with our new GMs recommendations on coaches as well as player personnel decisions.
We anticipate being in or very near being in the playoff next season. Either way, the NY Giants product will be an enjoyable and competitive contest.”
Much like the Giants, oh the irony!!!!
Let’s see how many qualified candidates now say No Thank you…
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They just said John Mara is not on yet. Assume that they will carry it.
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Tiki and Tierney on now but I don't hear them alluding to JM coming on. Link - ( New Window )
They just said John Mara is not on yet. Assume that they will carry it.
Giants told WFAN that they are not allowed to air Mara live.
Yup, sounds like they will be airing it after completion (15-20 mins)
What we need are tough questions, good answers and transparency.
Mara is anything but that.
Geez!
If the presser is going to be aired right after it's over, it's not like they're going to have time to edit it much. So what's the point?
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Mara: “I still think there is a good head coach inside Joe Judge.”
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John Mara said he "obviously wasn’t thrilled" with the press conference that included Joe Judge's 11-minute rant, "But I can’t say there was one specific act that was a last straw. It was a culmination of things. ...
Ralph Vacchiano
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(More Mara) "... It just got to the point where we dug a hole so deep I didn’t see a clear path getting out of it unless we started all over again."
John Mara said he's not looking for a GM/coach to come as a "package deal".
"I want to go through a complete process and interview as many people as possible," he said. "I don’t want to rush into anything. We’ve made that mistake in the past."
John Mara said he feels "very good" about his pool of GM candidates and believes he can make the right choice. "Obviously I don’t expect a lot of people to believe that given what’s happened over the last few years," he said.
(More Mara) "... It just got to the point where we dug a hole so deep I didn’t see a clear path getting out of it unless we started all over again."
John Mara said he "obviously wasn’t thrilled" with the press conference that included Joe Judge's 11-minute rant, "But I can’t say there was one specific act that was a last straw. It was a culmination of things. ...
John Mara said "I still think there is a good head coach inside Joe Judge" but he wanted to give the new GM flexibility to start over with a new one.
All from Ralph V's Twitter.
@ZackBlatt
John Mara said that Chris Mara spends most of his time doing evaluation of college players and he particiaptes in the draft but all personnel decisions have been made by the GM and HC. #Giants
If not for you, the fans would have no idea WTF is happening in that room right now
Its the 3rd & 9 Owner sneak!
Said John Mara: "All personnel decisions in this building have ben made by the GM and head coach. When they agree on a personell decision they come to me with it, and if they both agree, I OK it."
He said the only time he'll overrule them is if there's an off-field conduct issue
John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
John Mara: "This is a very desirable job. I think this is an organization people want to work for."
John Mara said no one has turned down any interview requests yet.
Looks Dugan of the Athletic isn't allowed to listen either.
@ZackBlatt
John Mara said that Chris Mara spends most of his time doing evaluation of college players and he particiaptes in the draft but all personnel decisions have been made by the GM and HC. #Giants
Follow up Question should have been "With such poor results from drafts pick results how do you justify NOT FIRING HIM?"
@ZackBlatt
John Mara said that Chris Mara spends most of his time doing evaluation of college players and he particiaptes in the draft but all personnel decisions have been made by the GM and HC. #Giants
Participating in the draft is participating in personnel decisions.
Both John and Chris are in the draft preparation room with the GM.
And absurd to think that their personnel involvement stops at the draft.
The questions about Chris are a distraction from the fact that John himself has far more practical say over personnel decisions.
Ummm. So then why is Chris Mara involved in the GM interviews?
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Asked if this is the most embarrassed he's ever been about the state of the Giants' franchise, John Mara said: "Honestly, I would have to say yes. Yes it is. I kept thinking during the season we had hit rock bottom, then each week it got a little worse."
John Mara reads what Eric at BBI has to say.
@ZackBlatt
John Mara said that Chris Mara spends most of his time doing evaluation of college players and he particiaptes in the draft but all personnel decisions have been made by the GM and HC. #Giants
can you sticky a post or put it on the home page permanently?
@rydunleavy
John Mara says Chris Mara is in the interviews because he is part of ownership but Steve Tisch and John will make final decision #Giants
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Q: Is this the lowest moment you’ve had being with the #NYG?
John Mara: “Honestly, I would have to say yes. I kept thinking during the season we had hit rock bottom — and each week, it got worse.”
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John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
Ummm. So then why is Chris Mara involved in the GM interviews?
probably the whole owner thing...
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John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
Ummm. So then why is Chris Mara involved in the GM interviews?
because he is part of ownership
@ZackBlatt
John Mara on why he didn’t fire Dave Gettleman before the end of the season and let him retire instead:
"I didn’t see any need to do that."
What happened?
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As for whether he needs to show more patience with his GMs and head coaches this time around, John Mara said "I very badly wanted to do that this year, but I just didn’t see any end in sight."
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John Mara sounds like someone who doesn't intend to make meaningful change with the organization.
He essentially ignores/dodges two questions about allowing GM Dave Gettleman to "retire."
All media was allowed one question, no follow-ups.
Steve Tisch not part of the call.
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John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
Ummm. So then why is Chris Mara involved in the GM interviews?
probably the whole owner thing...
That seems to be a conflict of interests to me...
"I certainly think it will be a factor that some of these candidates will consider," he said. "That’s something we’ll have to overcome in these interviews."
As for whether he needs to show more patience with his GMs and head coaches this time around, John Mara said "I very badly wanted to do that this year, but I just didn’t see any end in sight."
@rydunleavy
John Mara says Chris Mara is in the interviews because he is part of ownership but Steve Tisch and John will make final decision #Giants
Lol why aren’t Frank Mara and Jon Tisch there too?
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Q: Is this the lowest moment you’ve had being with the #NYG?
John Mara: “Honestly, I would have to say yes. I kept thinking during the season we had hit rock bottom — and each week, it got worse.”
I actually really like this answer. It's no bull shit, no spin. Good for him
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John Mara said the GM will lead the search for head coach. In terms of DJ or Saquon or any other player, that will be between the GM and head coach.
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John Mara sounds like someone who doesn't intend to make meaningful change with the organization.
He essentially ignores/dodges two questions about allowing GM Dave Gettleman to "retire."
All media was allowed one question, no follow-ups.
Steve Tisch not part of the call.
GiantsWFAN @giantswfan
#Giants #JohnMara - "the GM will lead the search for the head coach but those decisions are always subject to final approval from ownership"
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Q: Is this the lowest moment you’ve had being with the #NYG?
John Mara: “Honestly, I would have to say yes. I kept thinking during the season we had hit rock bottom — and each week, it got worse.”
I actually really like this answer. It's no bull shit, no spin. Good for him
It's also the truth that we all experienced as fans.
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John Mara vehemently pushes back against his family as the problem. Says Chris Mara has "no authority," but grants he has personnel input and was part of today's first GM interview.
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John Mara vehemently pushes back against his family as the problem. Says Chris Mara has "no authority," but grants he has personnel input and was part of today's first GM interview.
I don't know if that's true or not, but I can buy that. I can see him having persuasive authority, but to what extent I'm not sure.
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Q: Is this the lowest moment you’ve had being with the #NYG?
John Mara: “Honestly, I would have to say yes. I kept thinking during the season we had hit rock bottom — and each week, it got worse.”
I actually really like this answer. It's no bull shit, no spin. Good for him
It's also the truth that we all experienced as fans.
Mara gets nailed here no matter which way he goes but, you can clearly see he wanted things to work with Judge. I think he even knew that DG was a big problem (but once season started and his contract was coming up, they just had to ride that out) but then Judge started doing his BS lectures about the culture he is creating (ie totally ignoring the ineptitude on the field) and his words became more a shot at others in the past and other teams in the league and that just wasn't going to fly.
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A lot of what John Mara said today felt familiar to 2018 and 2020. There's cause for hope due to this expanded search for a GM, but ownership is 0-for-4 on GM/HC hires since 2015. As Mara said, he hasn't given any reason to believe he'll get it right this time.
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John Mara vehemently pushes back against his family as the problem. Says Chris Mara has "no authority," but grants he has personnel input and was part of today's first GM interview.
I don't know if that's true or not, but I can buy that. I can see him having persuasive authority, but to what extent I'm not sure.
Leonard is a turd
Go read the other Beats, Mara said Chris gives his evaluations on college players but has no say or decision making powers, its up to thr GM and Coach
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A lot of what John Mara said today felt familiar to 2018 and 2020. There's cause for hope due to this expanded search for a GM, but ownership is 0-for-4 on GM/HC hires since 2015. As Mara said, he hasn't given any reason to believe he'll get it right this time.
No offense that shit means nothing. They hired DG and he basically oversaw the fall the last 5 years. The Giants have cleared the decks and we are moving forward.
Just make ONE FUCKING GOOD gm hire and we are golden.
There are other Maras and Tisches in leadership. Frank Mara is a VP of Community Relations, Jon Tisch is treasurer.
The reason these two aren’t involved in the interviews is because they aren’t involved in football.
Chris is there because he’s involved in football.
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and they are not going to allow live stream
What happened?
I've been wondering that myself, so I started watching it. Seems like it begins to get uncomfortable at the 9:10 mark.
Bears end of season press conference - ( New Window )
After the NYG send you over what to redact/omit/edit out?
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John Mara says Chris Mara is in the interviews because he is part of ownership but Steve Tisch and John will make final decision #Giants
This does not seem ideal.
At the end of the day I root for the Giants, John Mara has undoubtedly made some terrible decisions but I have no personal disdain for the guy.
I don't need more questions to continually rehash where we're at b/c we all know where the Giants are. Rock bottom.
As Cowherd said today, just let go of the past (good & bad) and focus on the future.
Today, 1/12, I am excited for the future. But also not naïve, the personnel department needs to be overhauled. Words are words, actions are actions. Hire a qualified GM and let him mold football ops.
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The one thing that does provide optimism is that John Mara all but admitted the last GM search was, shall I say, flawed. He used the worked "rushed." Giants seem intent on having a more extensive process this time around. "We're going to try not to make that mistake," he said.
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John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
Ummm. So then why is Chris Mara involved in the GM interviews?
probably the whole owner thing...
That seems to be a conflict of interests to me...
Well, it's not to me. Over the last two days John Mara has made it perfectly clear as to:
1) what his new GM will be responsible for
2) who is making the player decisions
3) what Chris Mara does in the office
There is no issue here other than if you want to call John a flat out liar and back it up with proof.
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John Mara vehemently pushes back against his family as the problem. Says Chris Mara has "no authority," but grants he has personnel input and was part of today's first GM interview.
I don't know if that's true or not, but I can buy that. I can see him having persuasive authority, but to what extent I'm not sure.
Leonard is a turd
Go read the other Beats, Mara said Chris gives his evaluations on college players but has no say or decision making powers, its up to thr GM and Coach
I wrote this in the other thread, but that seems to be a conflict of interests unless Chris really will yield to the GM. I mean he evaluates college players and has opinions on who to draft...but it'll ultimately be up to the GM...who Chris Mara will have a say (maybe not a strong say, but a say) in who gets that job.
becaise that is his job, if the guy wasmt named Mara you would have no idea who it is..He gives the evaluations on certain players, if a GM or coach is making the decision jist off of those evals they shouldnt be GM..
the GM is supposed to take input from a bunch of people but in the end the decision is up to him
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John Mara says Chris Mara is in the interviews because he is part of ownership but Steve Tisch and John will make final decision #Giants
Lol why aren’t Frank Mara and Jon Tisch there too?
Because it's not a Senate Oversight Committee hearing with 25+ people...its an interview.
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The one thing that does provide optimism is that John Mara all but admitted the last GM search was, shall I say, flawed. He used the worked "rushed." Giants seem intent on having a more extensive process this time around. "We're going to try not to make that mistake," he said.
I don't recall it even being that rushed. It seemed more like going through the motions and coming to an inevitable and telegraphed conclusion.
What kind of Giants fan doesn't know how to spell "Mara"?
At the end of the day I root for the Giants, John Mara has undoubtedly made some terrible decisions but I have no personal disdain for the guy.
I don't need more questions to continually rehash where we're at b/c we all know where the Giants are. Rock bottom.
As Cowherd said today, just let go of the past (good & bad) and focus on the future.
Today, 1/12, I am excited for the future. But also not naïve, the personnel department needs to be overhauled. Words are words, actions are actions. Hire a qualified GM and let him mold football ops.
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you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
What kind of Giants fan doesn't know how to spell "Mara"?
the morron kind...
The brother of the boss and a part-owner would carry a lot of weight even if he does not know anything about players.
And you have no idea either. That's the problem. All we know is that Chris Mara is involved in college scouting. To what extent, none of us know. Is it a hobby? Is it a FT job? How much of a say does he have? How strongly does he feel about certain draft philosophies or players?
Because it's not a Senate Oversight Committee hearing with 25+ people...its an interview.
I actually think it’s great Chris is there. He’s an owner and he advises on college prospects. He’s involved tangentially in football. John and Steve value his opinion.
The other owners are not, so they are not involved.
WTF is that so hard for Mara to say?
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But many are still going to complain.
At the end of the day I root for the Giants, John Mara has undoubtedly made some terrible decisions but I have no personal disdain for the guy.
I don't need more questions to continually rehash where we're at b/c we all know where the Giants are. Rock bottom.
As Cowherd said today, just let go of the past (good & bad) and focus on the future.
Today, 1/12, I am excited for the future. But also not naïve, the personnel department needs to be overhauled. Words are words, actions are actions. Hire a qualified GM and let him mold football ops.
Good post
yep, spot on...
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if Gettleman and Judge took Chris Maras advice or went against it, you have zero idea but of course it is Chris Maras fault..
The brother of the boss and a part-owner would carry a lot of weight even if he does not know anything about players.
You realize Chris Mara actually has worked as a scout for a long time right? so it was ok during their superbowl years but not now because they are losing?
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Lol why aren’t Frank Mara and Jon Tisch there too?
Because it's not a Senate Oversight Committee hearing with 25+ people...its an interview.
I actually think it’s great Chris is there. He’s an owner and he advises on college prospects. He’s involved tangentially in football. John and Steve value his opinion.
The other owners are not, so they are not involved.
WTF is that so hard for Mara to say?
He said some of it.
And maybe Chris's opinion isn't really all that valued or he didn't want to make a remark as to involvement of other owners. Not sure these couple of words are mission critical, are they?
Pat Leonard is still a bitch. And the degree to which some of you are foaming at the mouth to see Chris Mara sentenced to no less than public execution is mind numbing.
Gettleman’s gone. Judge is gone. Let’s see if they can get the new GM hire right this time
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if Gettleman and Judge took Chris Maras advice or went against it, you have zero idea but of course it is Chris Maras fault..
The brother of the boss and a part-owner would carry a lot of weight even if he does not know anything about players.
You realize Chris Mara actually has worked as a scout for a long time right? so it was ok during their superbowl years but not now because they are losing?
It was probably "okay" then because they had an adult in the room in Tom Coughlin.
Inmates have been running the asylum since.
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two years trashing Pat Leonard but now he's Bob Woodward to the same people...
Pat Leonard is still a bitch. And the degree to which some of you are foaming at the mouth to see Chris Mara sentenced to no less than public execution is mind numbing.
Gettleman’s gone. Judge is gone. Let’s see if they can get the new GM hire right this time
Yep, that's the mission critical piece...
And maybe Chris's opinion isn't really all that valued or he didn't want to make a remark as to involvement of other owners. Not sure these couple of words are mission critical, are they?
I’m just being sarcastic about the other owners being there. We all know why they aren’t, they have nothing to do with football.
If they don’t value Chris’s opinion, he has no authority, and he’s not making the decision — might as well invite Alf.
the good side is it makes for less to do as I can read far less here and use my time more efficiently.
So, is this plato's retreat?
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you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
What kind of Giants fan doesn't know how to spell "Mara"?
Thank you Gatorade. That isn’t a typo. That’s how you separate the fans from the trolls.
"Everything went haywire this year.”
If the Eagles didn’t intentionally lose that game last year we’d still be stuck with Dave and Joe.
There is no issue here other than if you want to call John a flat out liar and back it up with proof.
Jimmy
There have been disagreements here as to whether Chris Mara has any impact at all on the players who are brought in here.
None of us know the real answer. However, anyone with the ability to do some mental math can come to this conclusion.
First, Chris Mara has been tied to scouting to some degree for decades
Second, the organization has been accused of allowing family (specifically Chris) to make player personnel decisions when they should leave that to professionals.
Third, John Mara refuses to at least give Chris Mara some other job in the organization. Something that would distract the fans from looking in this direction.
Fourth, why does Chris Mara continue to hold his title? They could make him director of marketing while he continues to analyze players with his office door closed.
WHY DOES HE STILL HAVE THE JOB TITLE despite so much pressure from the fan base? The answer is simple... HE IS a contributor to the decisions that are being made. There are interviews with Chris Mara going way back where he specifically says he was pushing for specific players in the draft room.
He is not just sitting at home collecting a pay check
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He said some of it.
And maybe Chris's opinion isn't really all that valued or he didn't want to make a remark as to involvement of other owners. Not sure these couple of words are mission critical, are they?
I’m just being sarcastic about the other owners being there. We all know why they aren’t, they have nothing to do with football.
If they don’t value Chris’s opinion, he has no authority, and he’s not making the decision — might as well invite Alf.
Ha...my guess is they would get more horsepower out of Alf than Chris anyway!
So true.
John Mara has done everything asked of him so far in the first 3 days of this offseason, complete with a who's who list of top GM candidates from organizations all across the current playoff spectrum and some of you are still acting crazy.
But now actions need to speak louder than words.
And they need to decide what kind of a football team they are, going forward.
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you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
What kind of Giants fan doesn't know how to spell "Mara"?
+1 fix this shit.
He said "He thinks there is a good HC still inside Joe." Like him as a person and it heart wrenching to John having to make that long walk down the hall to move on from someone.
He is acknowledging things have been bad for quite a few years. I think this is a great step in the recovery. We'll see how it plays out and who gets the chance.
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John Mara sounds like someone who doesn't intend to make meaningful change with the organization.
He essentially ignores/dodges two questions about allowing GM Dave Gettleman to "retire."
All media was allowed one question, no follow-ups.
Steve Tisch not part of the call.
I don't see the BFD in allowing a 70 yr old to "retire". I'm pretty sure plenty of retirement aged guys have "retired" in similar circumstances (i.e., vs. being fired). We have bigger things to be concerned about, including getting the new GM right.
I feel a lot better about JM today than I did several days ago. He could of continued the BS Giants Way but he knew the organization hit rock bottom and needed to clean house.
He needs to rebuild trust with the fan base and this is a good start IMHO.
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There is no issue here other than if you want to call John a flat out liar and back it up with proof.
Jimmy
There have been disagreements here as to whether Chris Mara has any impact at all on the players who are brought in here.
None of us know the real answer. However, anyone with the ability to do some mental math can come to this conclusion.
First, Chris Mara has been tied to scouting to some degree for decades
Second, the organization has been accused of allowing family (specifically Chris) to make player personnel decisions when they should leave that to professionals.
Third, John Mara refuses to at least give Chris Mara some other job in the organization. Something that would distract the fans from looking in this direction.
Fourth, why does Chris Mara continue to hold his title? They could make him director of marketing while he continues to analyze players with his office door closed.
WHY DOES HE STILL HAVE THE JOB TITLE despite so much pressure from the fan base? The answer is simple... HE IS a contributor to the decisions that are being made. There are interviews with Chris Mara going way back where he specifically says he was pushing for specific players in the draft room.
He is not just sitting at home collecting a pay check
No. John just remarked how he doesn't really have any influence and just does some college player evaluations. Evaluations that probably the GM/Coaches made not even rely upon as they are the one making the player decisions anyway.
I wouldn't give him a title if it were me, but at some point you all are going to have to think clearly about how meaningless Alf, excuse me...Chris Mara and his role is in the overall scheme of roster building decisions for the Giants.
The GM drives the bus...
That doesn't mean that he will hire the right GM or that the organizational problems will be fixed, but facing up to a VERY hostile public is a necessary first step
and will continue to do so…unless John is stepping down giving Chris the reigns due to health reasons.
He said "He thinks there is a good HC still inside Joe." Like him as a person and it heart wrenching to John having to make that long walk down the hall to move on from someone.
He is acknowledging things have been bad for quite a few years. I think this is a great step in the recovery. We'll see how it plays out and who gets the chance.
He actually did use the term “blow it up” which is a good thing 👍
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you have acknowledged that Chris Marra spends most of his time on player evaluations. Why would he do that if they didn't think he would have some input??? Confirms everything a bunch of us were worried about. You think one of the new potential GM candidates wants to hear that??? The new GM needs to have final say with input from the coach the GM has selected. John needs to get Chris the heck out of the player personnel department. If he has no final say...as John Marra says why is he spending so much time on player evaluations????? This is the Marras wanting to play with their toy. This part has to get fixed as well. In fact, long term it is the most important part to get fixed because if it is not fixed who the GM is won't matter we will be stuck with more crappy drafts, rinse, repeat.
What kind of Giants fan doesn't know how to spell "Mara"?
the morron kind...
It's morran.
Duh.
and will continue to do so…unless John is stepping down giving Chris the reigns due to health reasons.
Oh well...then you better hope Chris gets better at determining who are good players going forward.
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The big take I got out of it was that Mara recognizes that they have to essentially have to blow it up again without saying it. I think he sees as I did and many others that it would be impossible to keep Judge seeing how much they have to address roster wise.
He said "He thinks there is a good HC still inside Joe." Like him as a person and it heart wrenching to John having to make that long walk down the hall to move on from someone.
He is acknowledging things have been bad for quite a few years. I think this is a great step in the recovery. We'll see how it plays out and who gets the chance.
He actually did use the term “blow it up” which is a good thing 👍
But the potentially bad thing is that John thinks that firing the GM and coach constitutes blowing it up, and that nothing else needs to be done. He apparently thinks, at least out loud, that the family is not something that needs to be fixed.
Their PR needs an overhaul completely going back to the Gettleman hiring.
decent man. And he did graduate Fordham Law School so he's probably no academic slouch.
But it is HIS organization and the Giants record since the start of the 2017 season is worse than abysmal.
THAT'S on John Mara.
At this stage, I'll take a little less decency and a little less academic prowess for a team that can make us feel proud again!
Way too many leaps in this.
We know Getts turned over scouting, changed internal player eval processes. John Mara also said Chris' college player evals get loaded into their system with the rest of of them. He never said his become the primary source to create a Draft Board, picking the players or quite frankly even used.
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Oh so he’s responsible for evaluating college prospects? How has that gone since he’s stepped into the role? Do you think he’s proven he deserves to keep that job?
How the fuck would we know if he's proven he deserves to keep the job? We don't get to see his evaluations. Maybe they were spot on, but got ignored. What is this obsession with Chris Mara? Are people simply jealous of him?
Jawn danced around a bit with this one. He said he has no authority which would indicate that he sits in his office and plays the ponies. Then he said he has "input" and does "evaluations of college players" where we also haven't exactly been stellar, but the GM and HC make the call.
Ok, that begs the question as to whether when an owner and Senior VP of Player Personnel says "Joe Blow's scouting report has red flags because of a, b, and c" or "Joe Blow has a great scouting report because of x, y and z", do the GM and HC just ignore it? Go to Jawn so he decides? Go along? Given the issues in acquiring players, these are legitimate questions
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decent man. And he did graduate Fordham Law School so he's probably no academic slouch.
But it is HIS organization and the Giants record since the start of the 2017 season is worse than abysmal.
THAT'S on John Mara.
At this stage, I'll take a little less decency and a little less academic prowess for a team that can make us feel proud again!
Don't be so kind. Its been since 2013 with one season where everything went well and still that playoff game was horrible. Hopefully this is the end of the meddling. But it starts with the SB Clock, WCO and continued thereafter. If Mara finally recognizes it has been mostly a talent issue then we are in good shape if he is hiring someone to correct that long standing issue.
The GM drives the bus...
Again... why wont they just announce Chris is no longer involved in the player personnel department? They can remove doubt in everyone's minds by doing so. The fact that they will not do that meant that he is a contributor AND he does not want to stop contributing.
If Alf is meaningless to the whole scheme then why will they not move him into a different role? Nobody is answering that.
A salesman.
They all fucking lie.
That's the job.
Results.
Show a me a team that has winning record at any point in the season.
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at some point you all are going to have to think clearly about how meaningless Alf, excuse me...Chris Mara and his role is in the overall scheme of roster building decisions for the Giants.
The GM drives the bus...
Again... why wont they just announce Chris is no longer involved in the player personnel department? They can remove doubt in everyone's minds by doing so. The fact that they will not do that meant that he is a contributor AND he does not want to stop contributing.
If Alf is meaningless to the whole scheme then why will they not move him into a different role? Nobody is answering that.
Well, maybe you're right but Alf's contributions are helpful from time to time. So no harm in reading his college player evals, even if not always relied upon.
Press conference.
Link - ( New Window )
I read one guy saying who knows what player personnel does without realizing that pretty much every GM candidate the Giants are interviewing is in another teams personnel department.
So if Chris Mara is the top guy in that department and doesn't do much it might explain why the Giants draft so poorly.
You have to be a complete idiot to think one of the 4 owners listed on the Giants web site under OWNERSHIP isn't heavily influencing any discussion he's part of. Whether it's consciously or unconsciously an owner employee conversation is not a level playing field or fertile ground for sharing unfiltered ideas.
The Giants aren't a laughing stock because of bad luck. They're a laughing stock because of bad management. That management is 100% lead by John and Chris Mara and if they keep doing what they've done for the past 10 years they're going to keep getting the same results. It doesn't matter how many times they change the name on the door of the GM and head coach offices. It does not work.
Well, maybe you're right but Alf's contributions are helpful from time to time. So no harm in reading his college player evals, even if not always relied upon.
Jimmy
I just listened to John Mara's press conference. This is what he said about Chris Mara and his player evaluation contributions.
"His grades go into our system and he participates in the draft"
"He is a very skilled evaluator"
"I go to him"
"he does not make the final decision. The General manager and he head coach make the final decision"
So based upon this, it seems that the GM and coach are using Chris' talent evaluation skills (grades) as a factor in deciding who to select. Are you comfortable with this knowing the team has struggled with talent evaluation and Chris has been the common denominator here?
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Well, maybe you're right but Alf's contributions are helpful from time to time. So no harm in reading his college player evals, even if not always relied upon.
Jimmy
I just listened to John Mara's press conference. This is what he said about Chris Mara and his player evaluation contributions.
"His grades go into our system and he participates in the draft"
"He is a very skilled evaluator"
"I go to him"
"he does not make the final decision. The General manager and he head coach make the final decision"
So based upon this, it seems that the GM and coach are using Chris' talent evaluation skills (grades) as a factor in deciding who to select. Are you comfortable with this knowing the team has struggled with talent evaluation and Chris has been the common denominator here?
Mara put all personnel decisions squarely on the tandem of Head Coach and General Manager. They are the ones picking the players and John Mara accepts all their choices unless there are outside personal issues. The only rule is that the HC and GM BOTH want the player. Then it's a done deal.
"Fresh start"
"Blow it up"
"Reset button"
He and Chris are owners, and they will meddle. But if they can get a smarter voice than Gettleman (that bar is in the Earth's core) the process will improve by default.
I think this year was, finally and mercifully, bottom.
Mara put all personnel decisions squarely on the tandem of Head Coach and General Manager. They are the ones picking the players and John Mara accepts all their choices unless there are outside personal issues. The only rule is that the HC and GM BOTH want the player. Then it's a done deal.
Yes, the HC and GM make the final choices. But they make them based largely on the information and evaluations they get from the Personnel Dept. If the Personnel Dept sucks, the choices are gonna suck
Give me a break John
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Well, maybe you're right but Alf's contributions are helpful from time to time. So no harm in reading his college player evals, even if not always relied upon.
Jimmy
I just listened to John Mara's press conference. This is what he said about Chris Mara and his player evaluation contributions.
"His grades go into our system and he participates in the draft"
"He is a very skilled evaluator"
"I go to him"
"he does not make the final decision. The General manager and he head coach make the final decision"
So based upon this, it seems that the GM and coach are using Chris' talent evaluation skills (grades) as a factor in deciding who to select. Are you comfortable with this knowing the team has struggled with talent evaluation and Chris has been the common denominator here?
I am comfortable in hiring a new GM who drives the process, whether Chris stays in place or not. My preference is he doesn't but not enough to care.
I’m hoping the next time I literally hear a word out of Mara’s mouth is him accepting the Lombardi.
I hope the only two characters we hear speak on behalf of the Giants for the next ten years are the coach and GM they hire this month.
It has to start somewhere, and we know it's unlikely family members are moved out this offseason.
Give me a break John
This is how the Giants do business and it's been how they've done business for several decades. Dan Reeves didn't understand why they needed multiple opinions on each prospect, he described the Giants War Room as the most argumentative place he'd ever been. But the Giants philosophy was to encourage those arguments, they wanted to see which prospects got the most passionate support.
The key is to keep track of who said what and how it worked out for that prospect's NFL career. And I'm quite sure the Giants do that. They would have to be all kinds of incompetent not to. And so Chris Mara's past opinions have been logged and his future opinions will be valued based on his track record, not his last name.
It has to start somewhere, and we know it's unlikely family members are moved out this offseason.
I think he was genuinely embarrassed by the state of the team. He seems to have gotten the message that his family's influence on football matters is an issue with fans. He said it wasn't necessary to fire Gettlemen in mid-season, and he was right there too; the damage was done, his contract was up, and nothing was to be gained by throwing the guy out the front door. He was forthright in saying they made a mistake in their hiring process the last time and they were not going to repeat the mistake. He was also forthright in saying he had given the fans little reason to think good decisions will be made.
They have certainly cast a wide net for a GM. So, hopefully he follows through.
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John Mara sounds like someone who doesn't intend to make meaningful change with the organization.
He essentially ignores/dodges two questions about allowing GM Dave Gettleman to "retire."
All media was allowed one question, no follow-ups.
Steve Tisch not part of the call.
I don't see the BFD in allowing a 70 yr old to "retire". I'm pretty sure plenty of retirement aged guys have "retired" in similar circumstances (i.e., vs. being fired). We have bigger things to be concerned about, including getting the new GM right.
DR D, the fans want a pound of flesh and a pelt of the wall for this disaster that's why.Firing DG last month would have added accountability
They may be lumped together in his brain as the core of the rotten foundation. That's a good thing.
This is how the Giants do business and it's been how they've done business for several decades. Dan Reeves didn't understand why they needed multiple opinions on each prospect, he described the Giants War Room as the most argumentative place he'd ever been. But the Giants philosophy was to encourage those arguments, they wanted to see which prospects got the most passionate support.
The key is to keep track of who said what and how it worked out for that prospect's NFL career. And I'm quite sure the Giants do that. They would have to be all kinds of incompetent not to. And so Chris Mara's past opinions have been logged and his future opinions will be valued based on his track record, not his last name.
I think you're removing a lot of the human element if you believe it's that simple.This is a guy who wanted to be GM.There have been numerous articles saying he's not involved,one which was very recent.He's gone on radio shows talking about the Giants draft.He still has a job after all the shit that's gone on,and not in the mail room either.
So you add all that up,maybe a few things I'm leaving out,but that's why it's hard to believe.