The NFLPA has come out and said statistically Grass is safer then turf due to fact grass eventully gives in to cleats pivoting on the field then turf does. The mathematical stats support this.
With that being said, Would a potential new GM make it a condition to take the job that the Giants change the Field to Grass? This would make the GM job a lot easier in potentially lessen the chance of taxiing players in due to constant rash of injuries not to mention makem the players happier and play harder for the team.
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Pittsburgh manages to do it with Heinz Field, which is also home field for the Pitt Panthers. A couple fewer games, granted, but also worse weather.
granted, not sure if current system would even work with natural grass
There has to be a way to get a decent grass field every week in 21st century, C'mon, If Elon Musk can developed a rocket that lands straight down like a pencil,,there has to be a tough grass field mixture out there that can hold up to weekly NFL games.
I’d love for MetLife to have grass. GM’s can’t override business models/plans for multi use stadiums unfortunately.
The Giants made it to the Superbowl in 2000 with Tray system in place. Not many injuries that year and we killed the Vikings in NFC champ game
Pittsburgh, Chicago, and Baltimore all have grass.
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Only way to make it work would be a tray system. Can't play NFL games every week on grass. Especially in the northeast where it rains a lot in the fall months. I can't see them justifying the cost.
The Giants made it to the Superbowl in 2000 with Tray system in place. Not many injuries that year and we killed the Vikings in NFC champ game
Wasn't that the system which produced the field of painted mud? I recall that system not working out very well.
The Raiders roll in entirely separate fields - they play on grass and UNLV plays on turf.
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Yes, but that was becasue the Trays themselves were not maintained properly by vendor. Trays work if they are done maintained correctly
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Only way to make it work would be a tray system. Can't play NFL games every week on grass. Especially in the northeast where it rains a lot in the fall months. I can't see them justifying the cost.
The Giants made it to the Superbowl in 2000 with Tray system in place. Not many injuries that year and we killed the Vikings in NFC champ game
Wasn't that the system which produced the field of painted mud? I recall that system not working out very well.
The Raiders roll in entirely separate fields - they play on grass and UNLV plays on turf.
Correct, I was thinking of same example
This isn't California or Las Vegas; weather conditions are vastly more inimical to maintaining natural grass in the NE. Combine this fact with the amount of traffic on a yearly basis and it's easy to see why this pipe dream should be used only for recreational purposes.
Christ, there's almost as much cud-chewing on this subject as on Daniel Jones. The turf field has been inspected ad nauseum and has been determined to be an acceptable playing surface, causing no more or less injuries than the other turf fields at use in the NFL.
the funny thing about this "issue" is we have 2 teams that can fit the bill for new grass!
i hate when we as fans think about the costs of certain things, these bastards charge 50-100 bucks to PARK in their shitty lot.
these are the same people who charge you tens of thousands of dollars just to be able to pay hundreds of dollars per ticket.
they even bully our politicians into giving them money for the stadium.
they can pay for grass or whatever else they need to field a better product.
The manner in which he was tackled had to do with why that injury occurred. It’s not like it was a non-contact injury, which is what happened to Blake Martinez and Sterling Shepard.
I bet if you asked any skill position player they would much rather cut and pivot on a grass surface. Field turf is sticky.
This isn't California or Las Vegas; weather conditions are vastly more inimical to maintaining natural grass in the NE. Combine this fact with the amount of traffic on a yearly basis and it's easy to see why this pipe dream should be used only for recreational purposes.
Christ, there's almost as much cud-chewing on this subject as on Daniel Jones. The turf field has been inspected ad nauseum and has been determined to be an acceptable playing surface, causing no more or less injuries than the other turf fields at use in the NFL.
Heinz Field and Lincoln Financial Field both host college and pro teams as well as other entertainment events like concerts. Doesn’t seem to be an issue there and the climate is the same.
That was an awesome pic!!
This is an interesting idea - worth exploring.
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Where it’s basically grass but with astroturf fibers knitted through, holds up to high levels of use but is softer on joints etc. Most big soccer teams play on it now
I agree...the technology has come a long way...and as far as the financial implications, there are 2 NFL franchises involved, so if you do the analytics on injuries and how they affect your team/overall value, I would think avoiding one ACL rupture for a star player would justify the extra money invested by the teams in the playing surface
This is an interesting idea - worth exploring.
That's really interesting, I wasn't aware of how many soccer teams worldwide are playing on it.
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...Each year, MetLife Stadium hosts 20 NFL games (twice as many as any other NFL Stadium), major concerts and entertainment events, college sporting events, international soccer matches, motor sports, and family shows.
This isn't California or Las Vegas; weather conditions are vastly more inimical to maintaining natural grass in the NE. Combine this fact with the amount of traffic on a yearly basis and it's easy to see why this pipe dream should be used only for recreational purposes.
Christ, there's almost as much cud-chewing on this subject as on Daniel Jones. The turf field has been inspected ad nauseum and has been determined to be an acceptable playing surface, causing no more or less injuries than the other turf fields at use in the NFL.
Heinz Field and Lincoln Financial Field both host college and pro teams as well as other entertainment events like concerts. Doesn’t seem to be an issue there and the climate is the same.
Did you even bother to read the first paragraph?
This. It’d be like re-hiring Shurmer.
Heinz Field and Lincoln Financial Field both host college and pro teams as well as other entertainment events like concerts. Doesn’t seem to be an issue there and the climate is the same.
They re-sod those fields like three times per football season. They have the downtime to do it and let it establish before it’s played on again. MetLife doesn’t have the downtime.
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playing in the same stadium makes it difficult to maintain a grass field.
Pittsburgh manages to do it with Heinz Field, which is also home field for the Pitt Panthers. A couple fewer games, granted, but also worse weather.
It's not just fewer games, it's more bye weeks on the college schedule and only the Steelers during the worst weather of the season (December).
And I don't know if you can absolutely claim that Pittsburgh has decidedly worse natural conditions than Northern NJ when you factor for the swampland that the stadium is built on.
I do think the Giants and Jets COULD do it, but if they had to re-sod the field too frequently, it could be just as bad a field for different reasons.
Grass isn’t a technology. It’s a plant. It’s nature hasn’t changed in any significant way in the last 20 years. All teams have Bermuda grass or Kentucky Blue Grass, same then as now.
You've really zeroed in on the issue, well done.
They’ve already installed (and removed) grass fields at MetLife multiple times for Concacaf and other soccer events.
In order to pay the $2 billion bill, the stadium has to support a certain number of non-football events (concerts, etc.).
So it's not quite like Pittsburgh or Baltimore - it's two NFL teams in a single stadium, which also doubles as a high-traffic debt service vehicle. Of course you need the most durable, most cost-efficient material
So, in sum, I agree with the posters above - there's no way to do it at MetLife without the tray system, and there's no way they are going to add the tray system to MetLife. Maybe in the next stadium?