The Giants Way is dead - time for a Progressive approach

but change was needed

talk about the importance of running the ball and controlling the clock. The rules of the game have been dramatically altered to open up the passing game, and to simply ignore that is ridiculous. It's like a retailer refusing to have an online presence because seeing the merchandise is what has always closed sales.

Happy to see the message came through that change was needed. Now lets see them follow through with action in who they hire.

... would be nice if the team actually tried it.

Owners own, GMs manage, coaches coach, players play.

Strong OL, strong running game, efficient passing game, stout defense that stops the run and gets after the passer.

That's the Giants Way. Sure would be nice to actually do that.

In comment 15548491 Mike from Ohio said:

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talk about the importance of running the ball and controlling the clock. The rules of the game have been dramatically altered to open up the passing game, and to simply ignore that is ridiculous. It's like a retailer refusing to have an online presence because seeing the merchandise is what has always closed sales. Happy to see the message came through that change was needed. Now lets see them follow through with action in who they hire.

Great analogy. And I don't want to hear about playing in the Northeast. GB, Buff, NE, KC all play in cold weather environments and have adapted to today's modern passing offense.

...that fails to embrace progressive ideas deserves to fail.

Think Netflix

Giants way is Blockbuster and the league is Netflix

We got Blockbustered

Old school. Cronies network. No eye on the prize with ownership and mgmt

Every industry changes . Giants haven't

Hoping for the future to be the next Netflix.

he has lead innovation for a team stuck in the Stone Age.

refers to the Progressive movement born at the onset of the 20th century which gave us Eugenics with involuntary sterilization, biased IQ tests with children being classed by such, etc etc.

In short “Progressive” is a political term that has an elitist strained meaning in American politics and life, and actually internationally. It does not apply to football when spelled with “P”.

In comment 15548504 FStubbs said:

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... would be nice if the team actually tried it. Owners own, GMs manage, coaches coach, players play. Strong OL, strong running game, efficient passing game, stout defense that stops the run and gets after the passer. That's the Giants Way. Sure would be nice to actually do that.

Exactly. It worked for many years and 5 Super Bowls until Jawn stepped in because he wanted another SB run for his new building.

Basketball on grass you say?

Very well said.

very productive both on the field and the city I live.

The best thing that could happen to the Giants is they revisit the fundamentals that won four Lombardi's.

Put as much flash or "progressive" ideas as you like but you can't out progress certain fundamentals as important today as they were decades ago.

Sure was nice having a good OL. Physical backs. Wr's who were outstanding blockers. Front seven with multiple impact players. Corners that could man up. Safeties whose presence made WR's think twice. HC's who demanding accountability and took responsibility. Physicality. Speed. Power.

We need to see the GM hire and how the coach search goes.

That's still a big test. But you have to feel bullish based on yesterday.

And then the next biggest step will be finding another QB solution. That's going to be critical.

is a good offense line, a smart QB, a good running game and good receivers on offense. Big aggressive DL's who stop the run first and rush the passer well, monster LBs with speed and power who scare QBs and stuff TE's with a good secondary that hits and tackles. Or if they play 4-3 DE's that scare QBs and LBs that stuff the run and TE's.

We haven't seen The Giants Way since Super Bowl 46 ended.

Gotta love em.

I want an analytics based super smart GM. I want Chris an Tim Mara the fuck out the way. However great touch Defense and a dominant running game sounds like a recipe for success to me. No reason to be "high flying" why don't you look at all the super bowl winners of late and see how many didnt have a top 10 running game and top 5 defense. Few and far between.

A balanced offense that can run the ball as well as throw it and a dominant physical beat the piss out of you defense..Ill never want to go away from that. Football is still a game of infliciting your will on the appointment. It's not 7 on 7. Usually the stouter team and team that dishes out the most pain wins.

But it starts in the trenches. The teams that are better on the offensive and defensive lines are usually the best teams. The Giants haven't exactly neglected their lines, but they have done a poor job developing the players they have drafted and evaluating free agents there for the last decade. Improve that, and the wins will start to come.

Good line play makes everything on the team look better and gives you more margin for error.

In comment 15548504 FStubbs said:

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... would be nice if the team actually tried it. Owners own, GMs manage, coaches coach, players play. Strong OL, strong running game, efficient passing game, stout defense that stops the run and gets after the passer. That's the Giants Way. Sure would be nice to actually do that.

Over the last decade the Giants lost their way

still advocate.

It is not a high probability approach.

You are saying we need a great DL, and great LBs, and a great OL, and probably a great secondary. You have to a) hit on all these systems at the same time and b) keep them at a peak for a sustained period.

Hitting all these systems at the same time is like hitting a three or four way parlay. It is highly unlikely. And then, when you do hit it, you can't keep these systems intact, so your reign is short.

Whereas, if you adopt a pass first approach with an elite QB, you are in it every season, regardless of the makeup of the rest of the team, which you can certainly improve over the tenure of your QB.

You may say it is hard to obtain an elite QB. Well it is easier than hitting a 4-way parlay at OL, DL, LB, DB that can elevate a team to a champion. And it is the far surer route to sustained championship opportunities.

The numbers say, don't buck the trend toward offense in this league. The numbers tell you how to build a roster for sustained success. Why can't we play the smart way, and maximize our chances at success.

“ Whereas, if you adopt a pass first approach with an elite QB, you are in it every season, regardless of the makeup of the rest of the team, which you can certainly improve over the tenure of your QB.”

Please share some examples of teams that resemble this. Please also explain what “in it” means to you.

I immediately think of the 2011 Giants. Then I remember the 2012-2014 Giants and realize “regardless of the makeup of the rest of the team” is complete nonsense.

Lastly, elite QBs get paid elite proportions of the cap, typically hindering your ability to “improve over the tenure” and thus shrinking the window to be “in it”

us advocating the old school approach. Nobody is saying break out the single wing T or implementing wedge blocking as a blocking scheme.

The problem may be you are not recognizing there are a lot of components necessary in building a champion team. Winning the lines, balance, good defense, running game are the most proven ways to still win however you want to dress it up.

Want to run some spread concepts? Fine. Add some power element to it.

Want to throw the ball deep often? Great, get in 2nd and 5 consistently first.

Want to get pressure on the QB? Great, stop the run and put him in 3rd and 9 more often than not.

Etc.

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