There's no chance they are going to be kept on in any significance other than transition. Bet both are gone by the summer (rumor is most front office contracts run through June apparently).
He owns the team and is the SVP of Player Personnel. Who else is going to interview these candidates aside from Maras and Tischs? The fanbase wants everyone else fired. Is the answer that only John Mara and Steve Tisch are allowed to interview? No one else?
Like it or not, while his front office role may be diminished by a new hire (not that anyone knows what he actually does at this point), he's still an owner of the team.
Chris Mara owns as much of the Giants as John does
Mara should voluntarily surrender his title of Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. He can own the team. But if they are going to change things, he needs to get out of the way.
Mara should voluntarily surrender his title of Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. He can own the team. But if they are going to change things, he needs to get out of the way.
Eric -- The issue is if CM blocks the GM in decision making. Have any ideas what the best way to ensure that doesn't happen? How about hiring GM who is aligned with ownership thinking.
You can't have an owner both below and above the GM on the org chart. It has to be one or the other. How do you all fail to see how this is one of the major issues as it creates multiple conflicts of power at the same time.
You can't have an owner both below and above the GM on the org chart. It has to be one or the other. How do you all fail to see how this is one of the major issues as it creates multiple conflicts of power at the same time.
It doesn't look good but if he doesn't really do anything different than an active owner would, who cares...
Mara should voluntarily surrender his title of Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. He can own the team. But if they are going to change things, he needs to get out of the way.
Using that logic, all of the owners (all the little Maras and Tischs) should be in the room.
You want Chris Mara having a of say on the next GM based on Chris' "personnel expertise?"
No, that isn't the logic. The other owners are not involved as these three, nor do interviews really work with 20 people asking questions even if they were.
Not sure I care if Chris is the room anymore than Steve or John. How is he creating a problem?
Using that logic, all of the owners (all the little Maras and Tischs) should be in the room.
You want Chris Mara having a of say on the next GM based on Chris' "personnel expertise?"
To be honest, I'm not sure I really trust the decisionmaking abilities of ANY of the guys in the room. I don't mind Chris Mara being in the room for the interview. Of the three, whatever you think of his personnel expertise, he is still probably the most qualified to consider a candidates personnel chops. So I could see why his insight there would be viewed as valuable.
That said, the bigger issue for me is what is his role going forward under the new GM and whether or not THAT discussion is part of the process. In terms of the specific issue of him being in the room, I'd say that's probably the only troubling aspect...doesn't seem likely someone's getting hired saying "owners need to be out of the football decisions" if one of the guys that impacts is sitting right there making the decision. Could it happen? Sure. But I suspect that's not where we're headed.
If you were Joe Schoen, wouldn't you want Chris Mara there so you can ask him questions about his relationship to you and your role? Any candidate would 1000% want that.
If you were Joe Schoen, wouldn't you want Chris Mara there so you can ask him questions about his relationship to you and your role? Any candidate would 1000% want that.
I'm not sure I would interview for the job if Chris Mara were to retain his job title.
If you were Joe Schoen, wouldn't you want Chris Mara there so you can ask him questions about his relationship to you and your role? Any candidate would 1000% want that.
I'm not sure I would interview for the job if Chris Mara were to retain his job title.
Who is the GM?
And CM changing his role would come bout, how exactly? That would have to be part of the conversation/negotiation, no?
If you were Joe Schoen, wouldn't you want Chris Mara there so you can ask him questions about his relationship to you and your role? Any candidate would 1000% want that.
I'm not sure I would interview for the job if Chris Mara were to retain his job title.
Who is the GM?
John Mara described what the new GM would do in his comment earlier this week. You posted it yourself.
Maybe some candidates will discuss the Chris Mara role (maybe they won't) but to suggest you wouldn't take the interview and just inquire about it if it was such a mitigating issue for the GM role is not even logical.
He is the Senior Vice President of Player Personnel on the worst team in the NFL. He has been directly involved in the franchise becoming a joke.
He's not "just an owner."
Let me ask you this. In your view, would it be a good thing or a bad thing to hire a GM who is aligned with ownership's thinking?
The problem with Chris Mara as SVP of Player Personnel he will usurp any decisions the GM will have and this will scare away candidates from accepting the position.
the problem with Chris Mara as SVP of Player Personnel. We are debating the problem with Chris Mara the owner being part of the interview process for hiring the next GM of the team.
I'm not sure that most of you have noticed, but NYG is undergoing an organizational change.
Mara should voluntarily surrender his title of Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. He can own the team. But if they are going to change things, he needs to get out of the way.
This. 1000% this. It’s especially insulting to these GMs who are interviewing if he’s interviewing them as an owner only to go back to his senior VP title to work under the GM he helped to hire. While probably undermining the new GM. Just get out of the way, drop the position and avoid all of that bullshit.
Mara should voluntarily surrender his title of Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. He can own the team. But if they are going to change things, he needs to get out of the way.
This. 1000% this. It’s especially insulting to these GMs who are interviewing if he’s interviewing them as an owner only to go back to his senior VP title to work under the GM he helped to hire. While probably undermining the new GM. Just get out of the way, drop the position and avoid all of that bullshit.
It would be a million times worse to say one thing to the candidate in an interview and not have CM in the room to hear it and not be sure that everyone's understanding is the same. You people are nuts. For all the reasons concerning the lack of clarity over his position and the situation is 1000% of the reason Chris Mara HAS to be in the room. You are out of your mind if you don't see that.
He’s an owner.
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In on interviews but he does nothing and it's only a title!
He’s an owner.
Should all 11 Mara owners be in on these interviews? With his title he should not be helping make these decisions. The GM will be his boss!
Why do you say that?
There's no chance they are going to be kept on in any significance other than transition. Bet both are gone by the summer (rumor is most front office contracts run through June apparently).
i hope they step away
and i hope Petit gets lost
Like it or not, while his front office role may be diminished by a new hire (not that anyone knows what he actually does at this point), he's still an owner of the team.
He is involved....the question is...is he an obstacle? And I just do not see it as its portrayed here...
Lurie, Jones is far more involved....who knows about Snyder
You mean one of the primary owners shouldn't be in the room during interviews and leave it to the other primary owners?
It doesn't look good but if he doesn't really do anything different than an active owner would, who cares...
this +100
and Tim McDonnell too
You want Chris Mara having a of say on the next GM based on Chris' "personnel expertise?"
You want Chris Mara having a of say on the next GM based on Chris' "personnel expertise?"
No, that isn't the logic. The other owners are not involved as these three, nor do interviews really work with 20 people asking questions even if they were.
Not sure I care if Chris is the room anymore than Steve or John. How is he creating a problem?
He's not "just an owner."
You want Chris Mara having a of say on the next GM based on Chris' "personnel expertise?"
To be honest, I'm not sure I really trust the decisionmaking abilities of ANY of the guys in the room. I don't mind Chris Mara being in the room for the interview. Of the three, whatever you think of his personnel expertise, he is still probably the most qualified to consider a candidates personnel chops. So I could see why his insight there would be viewed as valuable.
That said, the bigger issue for me is what is his role going forward under the new GM and whether or not THAT discussion is part of the process. In terms of the specific issue of him being in the room, I'd say that's probably the only troubling aspect...doesn't seem likely someone's getting hired saying "owners need to be out of the football decisions" if one of the guys that impacts is sitting right there making the decision. Could it happen? Sure. But I suspect that's not where we're headed.
He's not "just an owner."
He's not "just an owner."
Yeah, in that room he is owner. And as an owner he probably wants to see how the franchise can get better with a new GM.
The best thing we can hope for is Mara to eventually get the GM right and then just get out of the way.
Other than that, we're in James Dolan territory.
The best thing we can hope for is Mara to eventually get the GM right and then just get out of the way.
Other than that, we're in James Dolan territory.
And how do you know that Chris isn't offering better input than John or Steve on these calls?
Under that logic...John and Steve are the competent football minds we want on the call?
I'm not sure I would interview for the job if Chris Mara were to retain his job title.
Who is the GM?
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If you were Joe Schoen, wouldn't you want Chris Mara there so you can ask him questions about his relationship to you and your role? Any candidate would 1000% want that.
I'm not sure I would interview for the job if Chris Mara were to retain his job title.
Who is the GM?
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If you were Joe Schoen, wouldn't you want Chris Mara there so you can ask him questions about his relationship to you and your role? Any candidate would 1000% want that.
I'm not sure I would interview for the job if Chris Mara were to retain his job title.
Who is the GM?
John Mara described what the new GM would do in his comment earlier this week. You posted it yourself.
Maybe some candidates will discuss the Chris Mara role (maybe they won't) but to suggest you wouldn't take the interview and just inquire about it if it was such a mitigating issue for the GM role is not even logical.
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He is the Senior Vice President of Player Personnel on the worst team in the NFL. He has been directly involved in the franchise becoming a joke.
He's not "just an owner."
Let me ask you this. In your view, would it be a good thing or a bad thing to hire a GM who is aligned with ownership's thinking?
The problem with Chris Mara as SVP of Player Personnel he will usurp any decisions the GM will have and this will scare away candidates from accepting the position.
I'm not sure that most of you have noticed, but NYG is undergoing an organizational change.
If I’m GM my first question is do I report to Chris.
This. 1000% this. It’s especially insulting to these GMs who are interviewing if he’s interviewing them as an owner only to go back to his senior VP title to work under the GM he helped to hire. While probably undermining the new GM. Just get out of the way, drop the position and avoid all of that bullshit.
If I’m GM my first question is do I report to Chris.
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Mara should voluntarily surrender his title of Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. He can own the team. But if they are going to change things, he needs to get out of the way.
This. 1000% this. It’s especially insulting to these GMs who are interviewing if he’s interviewing them as an owner only to go back to his senior VP title to work under the GM he helped to hire. While probably undermining the new GM. Just get out of the way, drop the position and avoid all of that bullshit.