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TMZ just released this tape: bw in dc : 12/28/2017 5:02 pm : link Mara: "So, Ernie, what should we do with our GM vacancy?" Accorsi: "Did I ever tell you about the time I was at Polo Grounds in 1951 and saw the Dodgers stealing signs from the outfield before..." Mara: "Ernie! Ernie! Please focus..." Accorsi: "Oh, yeah...sorry. Sure. Uh...who was the rotund guy when I was here? He went to Carolina? Gentlemen?" Mara: "Uh - Gettlemen. It was Gettlemen." Accorsi: "Right! Him...hire him!" Mara: "Makes sense, Ernie. Makes sense..." |
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I was in the third row when we played Gettleman's team in 2015
Go Terps : 12/28/2017 11:48 pm : link
That team was on another level physically from us. Shaq Thompson fucked Dewayne Harris up in a kick return... It got the biggest cheer from the Panther sideline of the whole game. That team was full of violent, unpleasant players and would have won the Super Bowl if Cam Newton weren't such a gutless punk.
Yup. For the idiots that whine about me being negative (so many of them have disappeared from this board gutlessly), there's proof to the contrary. I was on board and optimistic.
Then we picked Barkley. My immediate reaction was to say out loud "Fucking assholes." Then the next four years were an experience I wish I could carve out of my brain.
NoGainDayne : 12/28/2017 5:55 pm : link
A quote from ESPNs the "great analytics rankings" written in 2015.
"Enter New England, where Dimitroff worked from 2002-2008. From the ESPN analytics article, �One NFL analytics professional called the Patriots a "big black hole" when it comes to revealing any secrets � But some evidence of the implementation of analytics has escaped the Patriots' gravitational field, and it suggests that the Patriots are one of the most innovative teams in the NFL.� For 15 years, Ernie Adams a former Wall Street trader has worked to create �cutting edge� models for team building and in game play. It goes on to talk about their �arbitrage� strategies multiplying draft picks and squeezing trade value out of declining veterans."
The Pats have been great at minimizing weaknesses and limiting the downside of individual moves to remain prosperous. There is no doubt in my mind advanced analytics have played a part in this.
The Eagles are sitting atop the NFC right now with one of the more progressive analytics programs.
Now was the time to look forward and it seems we've doubled down on the past. There is such thing as too much loyalty, especially when technology is rapidly advancing.
It would be another thing if I could be optimistic and say "hey, maybe Gettleman is an open minded guy that will combine many opinions and leverage a lot of new ideas." everything I've read about him makes him seem the polar opposite.
Sad day for the future of the Giants in an already sad season.
The_Boss : 12/28/2017 4:22 pm : link
Like I said last week: it was a predetermined dog and pony show from the start. Expect more of the same poor to mediocre at best products on the field. Mara blew it, as expected.
The_Boss : 12/28/2017 4:22 pm : link
Like I said last week: it was a predetermined dog and pony show from the start. Expect more of the same poor to mediocre at best products on the field. Mara blew it, as expected.
A lot of other goodies in that thread too from me...
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But the most shocking thing in that thread is an endorsement from none other than GoTerps himself
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I was in the third row when we played Gettleman's team in 2015
Go Terps : 12/28/2017 11:48 pm : link
That team was on another level physically from us. Shaq Thompson fucked Dewayne Harris up in a kick return... It got the biggest cheer from the Panther sideline of the whole game. That team was full of violent, unpleasant players and would have won the Super Bowl if Cam Newton weren't such a gutless punk.
Yup. For the idiots that whine about me being negative (so many of them have disappeared from this board gutlessly), there's proof to the contrary. I was on board and optimistic.
Then we picked Barkley. My immediate reaction was to say out loud "Fucking assholes." Then the next four years were an experience I wish I could carve out of my brain.
So what you're saying is you allow your opinion to be influenced by new information as it becomes available rather than sticking to that opinion regardless of what happens? Interesting...
Let's face it, he underperformed (way underperformed!) in terms of what his prior career produced.
He made some very poor decisions with premium picks.
We could have had Josh Allen. We could have had Herbert.
He talked about building the Oline...it simply never happened.
So what you're saying is you allow your opinion to be influenced by new information as it becomes available rather than sticking to that opinion regardless of what happens? Interesting...
Barkley being drafted did not kill this team. Hernandez not turning into anything but a turnstile, Solder being awful, Peart not turning into anything but an oversized stiff and I could go on and on with the OL. You may not like Barkley but watch the good teams this weekend play. Count how many running plays where their RB's are met in the backfield. It is impossible to run where there is no where to go. You expect to get hit you lose your vision of looking for a hole. the new GM's 1st job is to fix the OL. If he doesn't it wont make a difference who they draft or who the coach will be we will suck again.
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That changed the moment I heard Barkley's name called at the draft.
Barkley being drafted did not kill this team. Hernandez not turning into anything but a turnstile, Solder being awful, Peart not turning into anything but an oversized stiff and I could go on and on with the OL. You may not like Barkley but watch the good teams this weekend play. Count how many running plays where their RB's are met in the backfield. It is impossible to run where there is no where to go. You expect to get hit you lose your vision of looking for a hole. the new GM's 1st job is to fix the OL. If he doesn't it wont make a difference who they draft or who the coach will be we will suck again.
Yawn.
It feels like the actual moves he made got a lot of people defending them vs. the hire. I wonder if that is one of those maybe the Mara's are more similar to the fans than we think kind of thing. Like it seems like and Mara admitted as much that maybe their process was hasty with some things.
They could make effective arguments for any of the individual moves but they were blissfully unaware of what if any common threads were making them overall be kind of garbage. To me that's connected to some of the BS spouted by DG and JJ too easy to talk in vague terms of improvement if you aren't keeping good benchmarks on what you are doing right or wrong in the micro. I get it, sometimes just looking at wins is zooming out too far, sometimes it isn't, certainly not when it's sustained. But if you asked Mara for say, 3 specific things they needed to improve on in their process, I doubt he'd have an answer. He'd only be able to talk broadly.
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That changed the moment I heard Barkley's name called at the draft.
Barkley being drafted did not kill this team. Hernandez not turning into anything but a turnstile, Solder being awful, Peart not turning into anything but an oversized stiff and I could go on and on with the OL. You may not like Barkley but watch the good teams this weekend play. Count how many running plays where their RB's are met in the backfield. It is impossible to run where there is no where to go. You expect to get hit you lose your vision of looking for a hole. the new GM's 1st job is to fix the OL. If he doesn't it wont make a difference who they draft or who the coach will be we will suck again.
Hi dupe.
Barkley isn't the only reason for this disaster, but his selection (the worst draft decision the Giants have made in my 30+ years following the team) was a window into the methodology that was going to be employed under Gettleman's watch.
It ended up being one of many foolish choices.
was seriously dead-on in his assessment.
I get it, drafting skill position players in the top 6, you get a lot of hopes and dreams wrapped up in that. But the way they've played, you have to expect more, you have to expect more out of any starters at those positions.
This whole "he has no holes to run through" is insane when he was billed as someone who could make everyone around him better and a generational talent.
Same goes for Jones but differently. One of the reasons mobile QBs have become so popular is because declining OL play and the fact that you can get away with worse play if your QB can run. AND the threat of a QB run can keep pass rushers honest from selling out around the edge.
Jones and Barkley are duds. And they were ill conceived pick of poor value to boot. They absolutely could have done better if we had a better team but that doesn't change anything above.
The Jones pick actually annoys me more than the Saquon pick in retrospect. I wanted to give Jones a fair shake, but the pick represented panic and being far too reactionary.
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That changed the moment I heard Barkley's name called at the draft.
Barkley being drafted did not kill this team. Hernandez not turning into anything but a turnstile, Solder being awful, Peart not turning into anything but an oversized stiff and I could go on and on with the OL. You may not like Barkley but watch the good teams this weekend play. Count how many running plays where their RB's are met in the backfield. It is impossible to run where there is no where to go. You expect to get hit you lose your vision of looking for a hole. the new GM's 1st job is to fix the OL. If he doesn't it wont make a difference who they draft or who the coach will be we will suck again.
Hi dupe.
Barkley isn't the only reason for this disaster, but his selection (the worst draft decision the Giants have made in my 30+ years following the team) was a window into the methodology that was going to be employed under Gettleman's watch.
It ended up being one of many foolish choices.
I love how you call me a Dupe, it is amazing reading the Gettleman thread how positive you were. You obviously were not the smartest poster then and you are not now. It is time to move on let the new guy come in an evaluate what is here. Let them make the decisions that will make this team successful again. If that means keeping Barkley or getting rid of him I am good with it. I have watched this game for over half a century and I can tell you this your Offense and QB look a hell of a lot better when your QB is standing upright throwing a ball and your RB's have holes to run through. Let us start there and proceed forward.
I get it, drafting skill position players in the top 6, you get a lot of hopes and dreams wrapped up in that. But the way they've played, you have to expect more, you have to expect more out of any starters at those positions.
This whole "he has no holes to run through" is insane when he was billed as someone who could make everyone around him better and a generational talent.
Same goes for Jones but differently. One of the reasons mobile QBs have become so popular is because declining OL play and the fact that you can get away with worse play if your QB can run. AND the threat of a QB run can keep pass rushers honest from selling out around the edge.
Jones and Barkley are duds. And they were ill conceived pick of poor value to boot. They absolutely could have done better if we had a better team but that doesn't change anything above.
How do you make people better when to do that you have to be able to do something when you touch the ball or you a threat without it. When your OL does not block how do instill this fear of God mentality into opposing teams D's You don't have to defend the deep ball because your QB never has the time to throw one. So stack the line and dare you to beat them and plain and simply we can't.
Joey in VA : 12/28/2017 11:27 pm : link
He was responsible for our best FA hauls and in season stocking of the roster for a long time. McKenzie, Burress, Pierce, O'Hara, Bass, Boothe, Andrews, Hiding, Hedgecock, the list goes on. He kept this OL stocked and he kept the end of the roster strong for years. He's been involved with 7 super bowl teams, that is not a coincidence, the dude knows football and players and how to build a team but he's old and white and he's been here before so he sucks right? He is the best candidate for this job hands fucking down. If you don't like it, you know dick about football and that's honestly most of you. Most of you never played and have no fucking idea what makes a good football player or a good football team. So go cry for a while over dinner and when this team is a contender again in a few months or a year you can cry about something else.
Britt in VA : 12/29/2017 7:36 am : link
move, the more I like the hire and believe it was the right one!
Then I heard him talk and I knew with 100% certainty that we were completely fucked.
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You people are idiots
Joey in VA : 12/28/2017 11:27 pm : link
He was responsible for our best FA hauls and in season stocking of the roster for a long time. McKenzie, Burress, Pierce, O'Hara, Bass, Boothe, Andrews, Hiding, Hedgecock, the list goes on. He kept this OL stocked and he kept the end of the roster strong for years. He's been involved with 7 super bowl teams, that is not a coincidence, the dude knows football and players and how to build a team but he's old and white and he's been here before so he sucks right? He is the best candidate for this job hands fucking down. If you don't like it, you know dick about football and that's honestly most of you. Most of you never played and have no fucking idea what makes a good football player or a good football team. So go cry for a while over dinner and when this team is a contender again in a few months or a year you can cry about something else.
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When I look at the names of the posters that are most against this....
Britt in VA : 12/29/2017 7:36 am : link
move, the more I like the hire and believe it was the right one!
Joey will own that and admit his mistake. He's stand up.
Britt? Hmmm. I'm assuming he's still in the BBI Witness Protection Program with my old best Fat friend in Charlotte...??
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In comment 15548873 Go Terps said:
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That changed the moment I heard Barkley's name called at the draft.
Barkley being drafted did not kill this team. Hernandez not turning into anything but a turnstile, Solder being awful, Peart not turning into anything but an oversized stiff and I could go on and on with the OL. You may not like Barkley but watch the good teams this weekend play. Count how many running plays where their RB's are met in the backfield. It is impossible to run where there is no where to go. You expect to get hit you lose your vision of looking for a hole. the new GM's 1st job is to fix the OL. If he doesn't it wont make a difference who they draft or who the coach will be we will suck again.
Hi dupe.
Barkley isn't the only reason for this disaster, but his selection (the worst draft decision the Giants have made in my 30+ years following the team) was a window into the methodology that was going to be employed under Gettleman's watch.
It ended up being one of many foolish choices.
I love how you call me a Dupe, it is amazing reading the Gettleman thread how positive you were. You obviously were not the smartest poster then and you are not now. It is time to move on let the new guy come in an evaluate what is here. Let them make the decisions that will make this team successful again. If that means keeping Barkley or getting rid of him I am good with it. I have watched this game for over half a century and I can tell you this your Offense and QB look a hell of a lot better when your QB is standing upright throwing a ball and your RB's have holes to run through. Let us start there and proceed forward.
I'm definitely not the smartest player here, agreed.
I'm just thankful that I haven't said so many stupid things that I felt compelled to leave the board and come back under another handle. At least I've avoided that fate.
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That changed the moment I heard Barkley's name called at the draft.
Barkley being drafted did not kill this team. Hernandez not turning into anything but a turnstile, Solder being awful, Peart not turning into anything but an oversized stiff and I could go on and on with the OL. You may not like Barkley but watch the good teams this weekend play. Count how many running plays where their RB's are met in the backfield. It is impossible to run where there is no where to go. You expect to get hit you lose your vision of looking for a hole. the new GM's 1st job is to fix the OL. If he doesn't it wont make a difference who they draft or who the coach will be we will suck again.
Hi dupe.
Barkley isn't the only reason for this disaster, but his selection (the worst draft decision the Giants have made in my 30+ years following the team) was a window into the methodology that was going to be employed under Gettleman's watch.
It ended up being one of many foolish choices.
Worst draft pick in the last 30+ years?!
Cedric Jones says hi….
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That changed the moment I heard Barkley's name called at the draft.
Barkley being drafted did not kill this team. Hernandez not turning into anything but a turnstile, Solder being awful, Peart not turning into anything but an oversized stiff and I could go on and on with the OL. You may not like Barkley but watch the good teams this weekend play. Count how many running plays where their RB's are met in the backfield. It is impossible to run where there is no where to go. You expect to get hit you lose your vision of looking for a hole. the new GM's 1st job is to fix the OL. If he doesn't it wont make a difference who they draft or who the coach will be we will suck again.
Drafting an RB at 2 overall is a misallocation of resources, given what we know about how much use you get out of an RB in their career and the available talent in later rounds. You kind of make his point in your comments. Had Gettleman traded down and used additional picks on OL, the team would have been better off. It was a bad idea to pick any RB there, it doesn't matter who it is. And it has worked out exactly as predicted, regarding how often our number 2 pick has contributed.
Quit making sense Greg. You know Saquon Barkley is a peacock flying into a rainbow. How could you compare him to some brute that is just pushing people around?
He may need those brutes desperately to succeed but he's also way better than them and some kind of demi-god. You wouldn't get it, you've never worked in a football front office. These concepts are above your head.
I never thought he’d fail so badly at personnel intake. If anything I thought he’d be a little too harsh on the vets. He was bad there too but also bad overall.
Anytime anyone else mentions him you have people coming in and talking about how you shouldn't talk about someone that isn't here anymore.
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/28/2017 4:49 pm : link
The Giants ONLY interviewed four candidates for the position. Three were intimately tied to the Giants:
(1) Ross
(2) Gettleman
(3) Abrams
(4) Riddick
Whether or not Gettleman is a good candidate, this "exhaustive" process (sarcasm) leaves me very underwhelmed.
This really pissed me off at the time. I'm sure I sounded off on another thread, but how preposterous. Only FOUR?
Riddick to satisfy the Rooney Rule (how obvious and embarrassing), basically two internal candidates, and an Gettleman, a "made man" in the Giants Way.
JFC, and I've said it hundreds of times it seems, what a joke of a "process".
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/28/2017 4:49 pm : link
The Giants ONLY interviewed four candidates for the position. Three were intimately tied to the Giants:
(1) Ross
(2) Gettleman
(3) Abrams
(4) Riddick
Whether or not Gettleman is a good candidate, this "exhaustive" process (sarcasm) leaves me very underwhelmed.
Britt in VA : 12/29/2017 7:36 am : link
move, the more I like the hire and believe it was the right one!
Britt? Hmmm. I'm assuming he's still in the BBI Witness Protection Program with my old best Fat friend in Charlotte...??
Britt might not have access to the internet. Still on the road following the Eli Manning Revenge Tour and all.
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When I look at the names of the posters that are most against this....
Britt in VA : 12/29/2017 7:36 am : link
move, the more I like the hire and believe it was the right one!
Britt? Hmmm. I'm assuming he's still in the BBI Witness Protection Program with my old best Fat friend in Charlotte...??
Britt might not have access to the internet. Still on the road following the Eli Manning Revenge Tour and all.
I eagerly await the return of some of our old foes. We have a lot to talk about... ;)
If they interviewed:
Peters
Hortiz
Wilson
Schoen
I'd be happy as a clam about their process this time around. Nothing wrong with being targeted.
It's the fact that they thought that it wasn't needed to even hear outside ideas that was the very worst part of it.
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When I look at the names of the posters that are most against this....
Britt in VA : 12/29/2017 7:36 am : link
move, the more I like the hire and believe it was the right one!
Britt? Hmmm. I'm assuming he's still in the BBI Witness Protection Program with my old best Fat friend in Charlotte...??
Britt might not have access to the internet. Still on the road following the Eli Manning Revenge Tour and all.
I eagerly await the return of some of our old foes. We have a lot to talk about... ;)
I get the feeling some are around under different handles.
Perhaps even when we draft our QB he will be back.
I do not believe Britt is able to resist a good QB fawning.
Both are too distinctive in their posting and emotional to not be outed IMO
Anytime anyone else mentions him you have people coming in and talking about how you shouldn't talk about someone that isn't here anymore.
You obviously don't know the password to the BBI Protected Class Club.
Let me share it with you - OBTUSE.
All caps, btw. ;)
Both are too distinctive in their posting and emotional to not be outed IMO
Someone said my Fat friend chimed in recently on a thread where somebody announced a death...??
I tend to think my Fat friend's ego is too big, like his waist size as suggested by his moniker, to go the dupe route. Don't think that's his style...
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In comment 15549756 bw in dc said:
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When I look at the names of the posters that are most against this....
Britt in VA : 12/29/2017 7:36 am : link
move, the more I like the hire and believe it was the right one!
Britt? Hmmm. I'm assuming he's still in the BBI Witness Protection Program with my old best Fat friend in Charlotte...??
Britt might not have access to the internet. Still on the road following the Eli Manning Revenge Tour and all.
I eagerly await the return of some of our old foes. We have a lot to talk about... ;)
I get the feeling some are around under different handles.
Your buddy Maryland Blows is clearly one of them. He is on your posts like white on rice...
Well played.
Funny how they criticize his opinions, but rarely put their asses on the line with any of their opinions outside the BBI mainstream.
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When I look at the names of the posters that are most against this....
Britt in VA : 12/29/2017 7:36 am : link
move, the more I like the hire and believe it was the right one!
Britt? Hmmm. I'm assuming he's still in the BBI Witness Protection Program with my old best Fat friend in Charlotte...??
Britt might not have access to the internet. Still on the road following the Eli Manning Revenge Tour and all.
I eagerly await the return of some of our old foes. We have a lot to talk about... ;)
I have a few more classic memory lane threads I found from last couple years. Will post later.
Some get too long and people get really bent (like the analytic arguments) but some are just pure comedy where its like a tug of war of Defenders versus the objective pessimists. Funny stuff with fmic, dep, britt and all the usual suspects...
Funny how they criticize his opinions, but rarely put their asses on the line with any of their opinions outside the BBI mainstream.
the Wait and See crowd...
I think i'd have preferred to argue with a brick wall. I wish I could have talked to the NoGainDayne in this thread and been like, just keep doing this. State your position and leave, you aren't going to convince anyone lol