For those who were hoping that Chris Mara would be part of the house cleaning, it does not appear that will be the case.
Chris Mara is involved with the GM search.
I received a note from the Giants with regard to Schoen's interview.
Schoen spoke with president John Mara, chairman Steve Tisch and senior vice president of player personnel Chris Mara this morning by videoconference. The initial interviews with candidates are being conducted remotely.
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His title has people freaked.
He owns as much of the team as John....in a family own business.....no big deal
lol
He's got every right to be there as an owner. Where it gets muddled is with the ambiguous nature of his title within the organization and what his duties actually are.
Again, they could clear this all up any time by making a definitive statement about it.
He's a "respected" voice and scout, with title of SVP of Personnel, yet he really has no influence on personnel decisions besides scouting a handful of players a year. He's a part-owner by inheritance, but he's in his position because he's actually good at what he does (scouting and personnel), and has been considered for GM jobs outside of the organization.
So why does he have the title? ... Because he's competent... So why doesn't he do anything?... because he's an owner... and around and around we go!
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DG is retired and Abrams is being moved on from. Why is this dirty information? The issue is if CM blocks the GM in decision making. Have any ideas what the best way to ensure that doesn't happen? How about hiring GM who is aligned with ownership thinking.
He's got every right to be there as an owner. Where it gets muddled is with the ambiguous nature of his title within the organization and what his duties actually are.
Again, they could clear this all up any time by making a definitive statement about it.
John Mara: because Chris is an owner and really the GM of the organization behind the scenes.
Schoen: if he is really the GM then why am I here?
John Mara: because Chris doesn't know what he is doing and we were hoping he would pick up some tips from you.
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DG is retired and Abrams is being moved on from. Why is this dirty information? The issue is if CM blocks the GM in decision making. Have any ideas what the best way to ensure that doesn't happen? How about hiring GM who is aligned with ownership thinking.
He's got every right to be there as an owner. Where it gets muddled is with the ambiguous nature of his title within the organization and what his duties actually are.
Again, they could clear this all up any time by making a definitive statement about it.
Yes but people are freaking out simply because he is there. That makes zero sense for him not to be there.
correct Uber
Think about all the stuff that's been put out there about his lack of involvement,and here he is interviewing GM candidates.
So great - well done.
The expectation is he goes chase ponies, count his checks, and ceases being VP of player personnel.
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They're not gonna roll him up in a carpet and throw him in a ditch.
The expectation is he goes chase ponies, count his checks, and ceases being VP of player personnel.
No, that's the ideal outcome. But if that's also your expectation you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed
@RVacchianoSNY
John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
So then why is he involved in the interviews for a new GM?
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They're not gonna roll him up in a carpet and throw him in a ditch.
The expectation is he goes chase ponies, count his checks, and ceases being VP of player personnel.
No, that's the ideal outcome. But if that's also your expectation you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed
BBI and gray area don't mix.
@RVacchianoSNY
John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
which has also been a huge problem for us
@RVacchianoSNY
John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
So then why is he involved in the interviews for a new GM?
To discuss philosophies on scouting? Shouldn't that be something discussed with the GM by someone? Kind of a major part of the job, no?
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@RVacchianoSNY
John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
So then why is he involved in the interviews for a new GM?
To discuss philosophies on scouting? Shouldn't that be something discussed with the GM by someone? Kind of a major part of the job, no?
To see if Chris Mara's philosophy aligns with the GM's? I'm not sure what's going on here.
@rydunleavy
John Mara says Chris Mara is in the interviews because he is part of ownership but Steve Tisch and John will make final decision #Giants
No conflict of interests there...
No. No, I haven't. It's been limited to the role I was in. I interviewed with partners, hiring partners, sometimes senior associates...
They do need to be more mindful about hiring family members in the future though. Use your connections to get them jobs in other professional sports franchises or college administrations.
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have you ever been on a job interview before? Have you ever met with someone on another team for the purposes of getting and giving a different perspective, talking through experiences, and collaboration strategies/tactics?
No. No, I haven't. It's been limited to the role I was in. I interviewed with partners, hiring partners, sometimes senior associates...
Ok, atleast you are being honest. Now compare your role and the areas it covers to a GM responsible for building a football team. How many departments will the GM lead, what's the vision, what's the process. Those are all questions and conversations that should take place and having multiple people involved makes sense.
This isn't a big deal no matter how hard you want to try and make it one. In fact, its normal.
Seems like a conflict of interests to me.
Seems like a conflict of interests to me.
I'm trying to think of a good comparison, but having Chris Mara both be part of ownership (and thus having a say on who the new GM is) as well as be involved in some capacity in college scouting and the Draft (which the GM will run) seems to be a conflict of interests.
If it's true that Chris Mara doesn't do any thing the Giants are missing a key component of a well run NFL front office. If it's not true and he's a major voice in picking players that's a tough sort for a GM if he doesn't agree with one of the owners about a player.
Either way the more visible he is the better IMO. Authority with no accountability is classic nepotism, the more it gets exposed at 1925 Giants Way hopefully the less influence it will have.
Then why aren't the other owners in the room? John Mara represents the interests of the Mara half of the organization (by agreement) and Steve the same for the Tisch side. Chris Mara's participation is because he is the 3rd-highest ranking member of the organization (SVP of Player Personnel) behind John (Pres/CEO) and Steve (Chairman/EVP), interviewing a person for the 4th-highest-ranking position in the organization. By organizational hierarchy, the GM falls below Chris.
If Chris is going to have a title related to football operations, why the concerted effort to simultaneously downplay his contribution while emphasizing his competence? That's the circular logic I find absurd.
If Chris had a nominal SVP or EVP position like Steve that *did not* have a direct tie to football operations, I think the public would feel better about it (but still would not eliminate the specter of nepotism). In any other organization, the SVP of player personnel would bear some accountability for the atrocious personnel decisions over the last few years. It's clear he does not, so is the title just honorary?
I think it's reasonable to ask why he's involved in the process when the ownership consortium of which he is a part already has its representative at the table?
That’s exactly opposite of what Mara said though.
You're assuming the other owners want to be involved in the process.
Let it go.
Hopefully these GMs are doing their due diligence on how the Giants work, or are perceived to work.
John K. Mara - President and Chief Executive Office
Steve Tisch - Chairman, Executive Vice President
Jonathon Tisch - Treasurer
Chris Mara - Senior Vice President of Player Personnel
That's the order they're listed on Giants.com under ownership.
The Tisch brothers have a sister, all three own 1/3 of their 50%. All three are billionaires individually. Jonathon Tisch is the only one with a day job. He is Chairman and CEO of Loews Hotels & Co and Co-Chairman of the Board and a member of the Office of the President of Loews Corporation.
John and Chris Mara have nine other siblings, all eleven of them equally own their 50% of the Giants. John speaks and votes for the Mara family. It is doubtful any of them individually are billionaires. The Giants are the family business.
The Giants are probably worth between 5 and 10 billion if they were sold this year. As far as we know there is no chance of that happening in the foreseeable future. I bring that up because I've read here that the Tisch family might be worried about their investment that might be why they are pressuring behind the scenes - if that's even true. I highly doubt money or their investment is what they are concerned with when it comes to the Giants. If that was the case they'd sell their 50%.
Allegedly the purchase agreement signed by Wellington Mara and Robert Tisch in 1991 states that the Mara's run the football operation while the Tisch family handles the business side of the NFL. It certainly seems to be the case if you follow how the Giants are run. There are rumors that John Mara and Steve Tisch do not get along as well as their fathers did. Who knows if that's true. I hope it is. We've seen 10 years of John Mara's management it isn't good.
or how little...
He’s the Senior Vice President, Player Personnel. The player personnel has been awful here. They should let the new GM hire his own people rather than have this clown who is only here cause of nepotism have such a high role.
The Giants results speak for themselves.
But nothing’s changed.
McCaskey laid out a plan where it’ll be him, Phillips and Hall of Fame executive Bill Polian executing the general manager and head coaching search.
Substitute Polian for Ernie Accorsi, and it’s the same old song for the Bears. McCaskey offered a plan for front office restructure — where the new GM will report to McCaskey, Phillips is no longer in charge of football operations and the new GM will be in charge of all things football operations.
But don’t let it fool you — nothing has truly changed.
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I'm sure the next GM hired will be agreed upon by all of the ownership. Once hired though that is when Chris needs to stay the hell away
That’s exactly opposite of what Mara said though.
Not really, he said he's involved in college evaluations, that's his role under his job title. But he also has an ownership stake that is outside of his day-to-day job. As an owner with an overall stake in the team he not only should be there he should also be directly involved in the choice of the GM.
If you've ever been a part of private biz with multiple owners many times it's required for them to be a part of a major hiring as per corporate by-laws
It doesn't have to be a real carpet and a real ditch
They are going to influence regardless of the titles. The only thing that bothers me is the idea that they may be paying them salaries and then cheaping out on other stuff.
But if they get Petit, Koncz and Siam out the door that is something that will be a fair sign they are really serious about overhauling things.
@RVacchianoSNY
John Mara downplayed the influence of his brother, Chris Mara, in the organization, saying his only role is to help with the evaluation of college prospects.
So then why is he involved in the interviews for a new GM?
What part of owner do you not understand? He owns as much as John.
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Then why aren't the other owners in the room?
You're assuming the other owners want to be involved in the process.
You're right, I don't know what's in their mind.
I think those who readily dismiss the presence of Chris Mara in the football operation and in the interview process for a GM give short shrift to the notion that his title (and accompanying lack of accountability for poor personnel decisions) is a symptom of a greater rot in this organization that GM/HC hires won't fundamentally address.