Draft: Edge Rushers

early and often. This should be the new GM priority.

Fills needs , think needs dont know if ekwonu warrants #5
I think a team like the broncos may trade up for qb
so possibly we do a trade down there too

so if u can trade down with both picks, do your scenerio and with that xtra #2 maybe grab a christian Harris front 7 and oline fortified with talent a damn good start

with two 3s and a high 4th maybe go skill wr, RB and TE

Like Jermaine Johnson, often don't pan out. Add in the fact that he was academically ineligible for NCAA and I'm lower on him than most.

Ojabo is definitely intriguing. He only started football late in life so there's probably a lot of room for him to improve.

He's definitely in the conversation at 5 and 7.

In comment 15549422 Payasdaddy said:

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Fills needs , think needs dont know if ekwonu warrants #5 I think a team like the broncos may trade up for qb so possibly we do a trade down there too so if u can trade down with both picks, do your scenerio and with that xtra #2 maybe grab a christian Harris front 7 and oline fortified with talent a damn good start with two 3s and a high 4th maybe go skill wr, RB and TE

Dude, I love Christian Harris. If we stay put at pick 36 its Harris I want if Johnson isn't there.

Karlaftis might be. Nevertheless, I'd take OL with both those picks. I believe there will be 2 that grade a top 10 pick, and we need to take 2. With all due respect toward the need for an edge rusher, if we dont fix the OL we cant operate. We've seen that.

Karlaftis is better-suited as a 4-3 DE, Ojabo as a 3-4 OLB ER. Whether either is worthy of the 5th or 7th picks, I'll leave to others to opine. I like them both, but I'm not sure I like them enough for the 7th pick. Both have great motors but lack elite athleticism.

George Karlaftis has a high motor?

a 3-4 or a 4-3. Hutchinson, Karlaftis, and Johnson are 4-3 DEs like Strahan was. I think both Hutchinson and Karlaftis are overrated because their conference isnt close to the SEC. You can say all you want that UGA schemed against Hutchinson but the fact was he didnt do much. Ojabo looked even worse. No thanks

we'd be sitting at #2, right?

Ojabo came on late, but he was incredibly fast, his speed is amazing. Angles and armwork are natural. Yeah there's the issue of playing opposite Hutch but I watched his one on ones a lot and he's a legit NFL player. I dunno about top 10.

I also thought the Eagles reached for Brandon Graham back in the day though.

Karlaftis then I'm gonna see his picture next to Ernis Anastos in every diner within a 20 mile radius of Giants Stadium

but the Giants need to replace 4/5th of the OL.. we have two guys with knee injuries, one with a shattered leg.. and the other guy is a old overpriced FA who is finished and the other is a younger FA who cant pick up a stunt or twist after four years.

OL again and again and again..

OL is the biggest hole in the roster and Giants need 4 out 5 new starters. We could definitely use ER on the DL, but if there is no sure-fire dominant ER at #5 then I think the OL is better positional value. Neal looked good in the CFB championship game, but I think he may go as high as #1.

Nik Bonitto or the kids for PSU early 2nd and then another OL with the late second. Or maybe a TE if Mcbride is still magically there.

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Wouldn't mind taking a tackle at #5 and then trading down and getting him mid first round.

In comment 15549470 Gmen703 said:

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Unless you're Dave Gettleman. He barely did anything to fix the pass rush after trading JPP.

I'm not sure how many teams will be looking to trade up.

The team traded back last year and lost out on a couple of promising OTs. This may be the year to play it safe and use the 5 & 7 on premium OL.

In comment 15549509 Beer Man said:

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I'm not sure how many teams will be looking to trade up.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You just need one team to look at Pickett or Corral and think they're worth a top 10 pick. Falcons and Broncos sitting at 8,9 and could want a QB.

Especially if they plan on moving to a 4-3. But the Jets might take him at 4.

In comment 15549427 Rjanyg said:

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In comment 15549422 Payasdaddy said: Quote: Fills needs , think needs dont know if ekwonu warrants #5 I think a team like the broncos may trade up for qb so possibly we do a trade down there too so if u can trade down with both picks, do your scenerio and with that xtra #2 maybe grab a christian Harris front 7 and oline fortified with talent a damn good start with two 3s and a high 4th maybe go skill wr, RB and TE Dude, I love Christian Harris. If we stay put at pick 36 its Harris I want if Johnson isn't there.

Harris looks quicker than a majority of the yearly ILB prosepects that bama has been sending to nfl last decade

In comment 15549467 kdog77 said:

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OL is the biggest hole in the roster and Giants need 4 out 5 new starters. We could definitely use ER on the DL, but if there is no sure-fire dominant ER at #5 then I think the OL is better positional value. Neal looked good in the CFB championship game, but I think he may go as high as #1.

I want OLINE too but we cant force the picks if the grades are more 10-20 have to consider slight trade downs with both picks u may not get #2s but probably can grab a couple of threes and 2023 picks we need to look at this as a two yr play minimum

but it seems like there will be multiple offensive lineman available at picks 5 and 7 that won't be a reach.

I think the going in position is that the Giants will go O Line in picks 5 and 7 and only deviate if someone unexpectedly drops, all the top OL are drafted before 5 or the Giants get a great trade down offer.

O-line and edge rusher of the top priorities, but we can’t ignore the talent. There are some O-lineman that could be potential top 10 candidates; however, if the Giants feel that players like Ojabu are top 10 talent and can fit into the new system, the new staff has to pull the trigger.

Pass rusher and OT in picks 5 and 7. Don't care which is which.

Cam Thomas is a player that I would like in the second round
He does not get the attention that the other top edges do but that will change.

He is a beast 10.5 sacks, 20.5 tackles for a loss.

Might be the best edge rusher in nation

He will fly up the draft boards into mid to early first round

In comment 15549441 Snablats said:

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a 3-4 or a 4-3. Hutchinson, Karlaftis, and Johnson are 4-3 DEs like Strahan was. I think both Hutchinson and Karlaftis are overrated because their conference isnt close to the SEC. You can say all you want that UGA schemed against Hutchinson but the fact was he didnt do much. Ojabo looked even worse. No thanks

I could be off, but I feel like OL competition Karlaftis has faced is up there with SEC OL talent.

And for anyone worried about Karlaftis' sack numbers, I give you: https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1443937073069703181 ... lol

I have seen his initial spot on big boards anywhere from early 2nd round to as high as 20th overall.

I do agree that OL is a priority, and I like either Neal or Ekwonu at 5 and would love Linderbaum in a slight trade down, I am hoping Johnson would be available in round 2 with pick 36. If not I would be ok with trading up to get him in the back end of round 1.

the quality is at edge and OL, which we can possibly still get very good players in Rd 2 and even Rd 3

In comment 15549589 Earl the goat said:

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Might be the best edge rusher in nation He will fly up the draft boards into mid to early first round

I might agree, he seems to play with a good amount of nasty and he sets a fantastic edge. He looks to have a bunch of pass rush moves, uses his hands well and looks comfortable on the right or left side. He is plenty big enough to play in a 4 man front and seems athletic enough to play in a 2 point stance and drop.

Many are worried about is he a 4-3 end only, I think its about athleticism and he looks to be blessed with it.

In comment 15549592 jerseygiant said:

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In comment 15549441 Snablats said: Quote: a 3-4 or a 4-3. Hutchinson, Karlaftis, and Johnson are 4-3 DEs like Strahan was. I think both Hutchinson and Karlaftis are overrated because their conference isnt close to the SEC. You can say all you want that UGA schemed against Hutchinson but the fact was he didnt do much. Ojabo looked even worse. No thanks I could be off, but I feel like OL competition Karlaftis has faced is up there with SEC OL talent. And for anyone worried about Karlaftis' sack numbers, I give you: https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1443937073069703181 ... lol

Nice triple team.

In comment 15549426 armstead98 said:

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Like Jermaine Johnson, often don't pan out. Add in the fact that he was academically ineligible for NCAA and I'm lower on him than most. Ojabo is definitely intriguing. He only started football late in life so there's probably a lot of room for him to improve. He's definitely in the conversation at 5 and 7.

Late bloomer? Not really. Ojabo is the late bloomer (which is what makes him interesting). Johnson had 5 sacks and 11 QB pressures in 7 games playing over the TE as a Sam linebacker a year ago at Georgia. The 5 sacks were third on the team. It's not like he stunk the place up. At FSU he got to play with his hand on the ground as a DE with a lot more opportunity to rush the passer and had 11.5 sacks while facing a lot of double teams.

For perspective, Karlaftis, who many here say is the third best edge, had 4.5 sacks THIS year. He had 28 solo tackles and 11 assists this year (Johnson had 33 and 37). What the heck has Karlaftis done to show he's worthy of a top 10 (or 20) pick? THAT'S the guy who scares me. Ojabo is ahead of Johnson, but it really won't matter because Johnson won't be there at 36, and probably not at 26. I wouldn't be shocked to see Ojabo AND Johnson go before the short-armed and stat deficient Karlaftis. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked to see HIM there at 36.

And as far as not qualifying and having to go to a JUCO. I covered maybe four Bengals games and a lot of training camp for three years a while back, and a bunch of OSU and IU games. You'd be shocked how many players have trouble putting a sentence together. I don't care whether a dude can solve calculus equations - can he learn the defense and sack the QB? Those are my only questions.

In comment 15549442 TDMaker85 said:

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we'd be sitting at #2, right?

If the Bears hadn't kicked two last play FGs to win, we'd be at 3 and 4. Or if they hadn't kicked one and Justin Tucker hadn't made his 66-yard FG to beat Detroit.

but if he's gone I'm looking at Hamilton or Stingley, sticking with the blue chip talent unless they love an OT there, which I don't see one matching up value yet.

If they go OL at #5, I'd like Ojabo at #7. Karlaftis is a better 4-3 fit and lacks the type of quick twitch/burst/AA I prefer at the top of a draft, imo.

If they go defense at #5, then figure an OT should be in the mix at #7, just a question of who. Only 3 1/2 months to go lol, a lot will change by late April.

In comment 15549521 jeff57 said:

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Especially if they plan on moving to a 4-3. But the Jets might take him at 4.

God no. Show me any proof that he is a top half of the first round pick. 4.5 sacks, 28 solo tackles and 11 assists? Was he sleeping during the games? Let someone else fall in love with the short-armed guy with no production. Geez people, R.J. McIntosh had 58 total tackles and 2.5 sacks as a junior playing DT, with 12.5 tackles for loss to Karlaftis' 10.

Johnson and Ojabo BOTH deserve to go before him, and probably a few others. He is the Spencer Rattler of DEs, except at least Rattler had a really good sophomore year.

In comment 15549521 jeff57 said:

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Especially if they plan on moving to a 4-3. But the Jets might take him at 4.

I certainly hope the Jets take him at #4 because he does not have an NFL edge rusher game.

I read Ojabo only played 27 snaps vs UGA because they ran the ball so much. So you want a guy at 5 or 7 who cant play the run? He has no moves. This team cant afford to use a top 10 pick on spec.

Still an OL and Dean. The Giants need a front 7 playmaker, not another DB

In comment 15549746 k2tampa said:

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In comment 15549521 jeff57 said: Quote: Especially if they plan on moving to a 4-3. But the Jets might take him at 4. God no. Show me any proof that he is a top half of the first round pick. 4.5 sacks, 28 solo tackles and 11 assists? Was he sleeping during the games? Let someone else fall in love with the short-armed guy with no production. Geez people, R.J. McIntosh had 58 total tackles and 2.5 sacks as a junior playing DT, with 12.5 tackles for loss to Karlaftis' 10. Johnson and Ojabo BOTH deserve to go before him, and probably a few others. He is the Spencer Rattler of DEs, except at least Rattler had a really good sophomore year.

Guess you didn’t see the link above showing him being triple teamed.

I think he will be there at#15. Move back if he is your man. Georgia msn handled him. I think the Georgia MLB will give you more bang for your buck.

In comment 15550241 jeff57 said:

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In comment 15549746 k2tampa said: Quote: In comment 15549521 jeff57 said: Quote: Especially if they plan on moving to a 4-3. But the Jets might take him at 4. God no. Show me any proof that he is a top half of the first round pick. 4.5 sacks, 28 solo tackles and 11 assists? Was he sleeping during the games? Let someone else fall in love with the short-armed guy with no production. Geez people, R.J. McIntosh had 58 total tackles and 2.5 sacks as a junior playing DT, with 12.5 tackles for loss to Karlaftis' 10. Johnson and Ojabo BOTH deserve to go before him, and probably a few others. He is the Spencer Rattler of DEs, except at least Rattler had a really good sophomore year. Guess you didn’t see the link above showing him being triple teamed.

Every top edge gets double and triple teamed at times. I can find plays where that happened to Ojabo and Johnson too. You think the Bosas didn't get double and triple teamed all the time? Also, realize that could be on third and 25 and they only rushed three.

You, he’s overrated as hell. He’s only rated that highly because of his “motor”. Mans disappears a lot and gets washed outta plays too much. Give me Jermaine Johnson as my No.3 and David Ojabo as my No.4. I’ll throw GK 5.

In comment 15549588 Archer said:

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Cam Thomas is a player that I would like in the second round He does not get the attention that the other top edges do but that will change. He is a beast 10.5 sacks, 20.5 tackles for a loss.

I just started watching him and I love him too now lol

In comment 15550237 Snablats said:

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I read Ojabo only played 27 snaps vs UGA because they ran the ball so much. So you want a guy at 5 or 7 who cant play the run? He has no moves. This team cant afford to use a top 10 pick on spec. Still an OL and Dean. The Giants need a front 7 playmaker, not another DB

So what are you looking for with the edges?

According to Dane Brugler who's well connected with the NFL front office, Karlaftis has more media love than the NFL scouting community. Brugler mentioned Karlaftis is definitely 1st round talent but the NFL team is looking more mid to back half of 1st round, not top 10.
Personally, I like Ojabo but we need an impact starter in the top 10, and I believe Ojabo has huge potential but I don't know if you can draft him in the top 10 with limited run-stop skill now.
I'm thinking maybe Travon Walker from Georgia is a better pick than Ojabo since he is really good at run and pass and has a freakish athletic ability just like Ojabo.