Q: You made two big changes this week – changes again. Why should Giants fans believe you will get it right this time?
A: Well, I haven’t given them any reason to believe that. It’s up to (Chairman and Executive Vice President) Steve (Tisch) and me to make the right choices going forward to earn back their trust. That is not going to be an overnight process.
Take Steve out of the sentence..would it sound right as "it's up to I to make the right choices"? Or does "it's up to me to make the right choices", sound more like English grammar?
He seemed dead-up honest and remarkably humble about his failings over the last bunch of years.
Clarified they knew they had to give the GM say over who the HC was (not saddle a GM with JJ).
Seems like they knew they had to "blow it up" go OUTSIDE the building this time to fix it. Hence no mention of Abrams.
He also clarified (even when pressed) that while Chris and Tim evaluate players, they don't have ANY authority on who's drafted/acquired. That's SOLEY up to the GM and the HC.
I didn't hear anything in this presser that sound like obvious lies or BS.
It seems that BBI got a lot of their assumptions wrong.
with the exception of the silly assertion that Chris Mara is just one of many scouts giving input on players with no more clout or weight than anyone else.
The guy is an owner and is interviewing the GM candidates. He really has no more implied authority than any other scout? That is not even slightly believable.
Chris is correct. But John said "it will be Steve Tisch and myself who make the final decision," which I believe is incorrect. John still goes on the naughty grammar list, and gets coal in his stocking from Grammar Claus.
He seemed dead-up honest and remarkably humble about his failings over the last bunch of years.
Clarified they knew they had to give the GM say over who the HC was (not saddle a GM with JJ).
Seems like they knew they had to "blow it up" go OUTSIDE the building this time to fix it. Hence no mention of Abrams.
He also clarified (even when pressed) that while Chris and Tim evaluate players, they don't have ANY authority on who's drafted/acquired. That's SOLEY up to the GM and the HC.
I didn't hear anything in this presser that sound like obvious lies or BS.
It seems that BBI got a lot of their assumptions wrong.
Let's just hope he gets it right this time.
Wrong.
If I posted John Mara's pressers from January 2016, January 2018, and January 2020, you would have a hard time telling them apart from this one.
If if Chris Mara doesn't have influence, why does he have such a lofty (VP of personnel) title?
Don't automatically assume what you are being told is the the truth.
If I posted John Mara's pressers from January 2016, January 2018, and January 2020, you would have a hard time telling them apart from this one.
If if Chris Mara doesn't have influence, why does he have such a lofty (VP of personnel) title?
Don't automatically assume what you are being told is the the truth.
Just for shits and giggles, do you happen to have those transcripts still? Not questioning what you're saying but would love to read for comparisons sake.
He seemed dead-up honest and remarkably humble about his failings over the last bunch of years.
Clarified they knew they had to give the GM say over who the HC was (not saddle a GM with JJ).
Seems like they knew they had to "blow it up" go OUTSIDE the building this time to fix it. Hence no mention of Abrams.
He also clarified (even when pressed) that while Chris and Tim evaluate players, they don't have ANY authority on who's drafted/acquired. That's SOLEY up to the GM and the HC.
I didn't hear anything in this presser that sound like obvious lies or BS.
It seems that BBI got a lot of their assumptions wrong.
Let's just hope he gets it right this time.
Wrong.
If I posted John Mara's pressers from January 2016, January 2018, and January 2020, you would have a hard time telling them apart from this one.
If if Chris Mara doesn't have influence, why does he have such a lofty (VP of personnel) title?
Don't automatically assume what you are being told is the the truth.
Chris Mara's title is Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. He was promoted from Vice President in 2011.
to change their doom and gloom attitude or polyana attitude as honestly neither one is completely right or wrong. I will just give them a chance as they are doing what ALL of us asked for:
Outside the building for a GM and not using past Giants connection as a reason to speak with them and not to force Joe Judge on a new GM.
The one question I am curious about is what Mara said about player selection- the GM and Coach decide unless it is a split decision then Mara chimes in OR there is an off the field issue with a player.. if that is true, I am curious if Micah Parsons was a target who was removed from consideration for off the field rumors..
In fact, I'm on record as saying the WHOLE scouting department sucks donkey balls. I think they should clean that house, and start with new, GM-picked scouts who KNOW NFL-level talent (outside the first 5 picks) when they see it.
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Wrong.
If I posted John Mara's pressers from January 2016, January 2018, and January 2020, you would have a hard time telling them apart from this one.
If if Chris Mara doesn't have influence, why does he have such a lofty (VP of personnel) title?
Don't automatically assume what you are being told is the the truth.
Did I say that? Let's say you're right and that the stuff about Chris and Tim are lies.
What else in the press conference was?
For MONTHS, the mantra has been it's gonna be Abrams and Judge. YOU thought that, Eric. For most of that time, I agreed with you.
But it doesn't appear to be playing out that way. Thankfully.
And FWIW, TO ME he seemed a bit more humbled and culpable than he did in 16, 18, and 20. YMMV
He called it the lowest point in his tenure. I don't recall hearing that before.
to change their doom and gloom attitude or polyana attitude as honestly neither one is completely right or wrong. I will just give them a chance as they are doing what ALL of us asked for:
Outside the building for a GM and not using past Giants connection as a reason to speak with them and not to force Joe Judge on a new GM.
The one question I am curious about is what Mara said about player selection- the GM and Coach decide unless it is a split decision then Mara chimes in OR there is an off the field issue with a player.. if that is true, I am curious if Micah Parsons was a target who was removed from consideration for off the field rumors..
It is a good question. He says "consensus" but if he is saying the GM and HC are making the decisions than it seems consensus is not really a great word and to me it implies there is more to it than what he stated.
Mara has to sign off on every personnel decision? Do all owners do that? If both coach and GM do not agree, how does it get resolved? Does Mara decide or does he get Chris involved? From this press conference, I don’t believe we will be getting one of the prime candidates.
why are some of you guys even listening to this? some of you won't be satisfied until he sells the team. why bother if you just have only negative comments about fucking everything? the guy finally did what you guys asked him to do, yet you're still bitching.
Sure. Just go back to "News and Notes" for January of those years. Transcripts/video still there.
BBI comments at the time were the same. "John Mara sounds sincere. He is going to do the right thing to fix this."
The problem isn't John's sincerity. It's his decision-making ability.
Ok, but shouldn't we wait for his decision before saying it is a bad one? Seems like what we have wanted is happening so far- Abrams isn't included so many were wrong here and Judge is gone, another thing many were convinced wasn't happening. let's see where this goes.
why are some of you guys even listening to this? some of you won't be satisfied until he sells the team. why bother if you just have only negative comments about fucking everything? the guy finally did what you guys asked him to do, yet you're still bitching.
Mara was very irritated by the Chris question. But it was appropriate high-ranking title. If Mara wants to defuse any misperception, change the titles of Chris and Tim. Because as long as those titles persist, the questions will linger.
This part was confusing about interest in the GM and the number of candidates:
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All I can tell you is based on the number of inquiries that I have had from prospective candidates; we’re not going to be able to interview even 20 percent of all of them.
Does that make sense? Let's say 40 people are interested. I'm guessing that's a really high number...? We couldn't interview 8 of them? I didn't like the answer. Interview EVERY person who you think is possibly good. That's the only way to find the best candidates.
Watch John’s body language during the presser. He’s hurting and humiliated like most of us. He’s the owner but also a fan. I thought he was honest, had eaten a good piece of humble pie, He’s WElL aware people have issues with Chris as VP. It’s a sensitive point to him because it’s his brother. What he described Chris as doing he, frankly, is well qualified for. I have no issues with any answers he gave. He knows he and Tisch are responsible for this clown show. They need to get it right. Acknowledging prior mistakes, and taking the steps to get the right guy in as GM is step one. Let’s see who they hire.
and has been one of the very worst drafting and free agency teams in the NFL. They had 4 wins this season and have just about the least cap space of any team in the NFL. One of the OWNERS is the SR VP of Player Personnel and a lot of fans think he is one of the biggest reasons for the lack of success. But questioning the royal football family, not taking their every word as truth justice and the american way is obsession? Ok. Enjoy your medium Pepsi hopefully it helps to wash down the shit sandwich you're probably going to continue to eat if the stays quo is maintained. Joe Judge spectacularly failed trying to navigate the nepotism and incompetence maybe a new GM and HC have a better shot. But their jobs would be a lot easier without owners with zero qualifications meddling in football business they shouldn't.
Watch John’s body language during the presser. He’s hurting and humiliated like most of us. He’s the owner but also a fan. I thought he was honest, had eaten a good piece of humble pie, He’s WElL aware people have issues with Chris as VP. It’s a sensitive point to him because it’s his brother. What he described Chris as doing he, frankly, is well qualified for. I have no issues with any answers he gave. He knows he and Tisch are responsible for this clown show. They need to get it right. Acknowledging prior mistakes, and taking the steps to get the right guy in as GM is step one. Let’s see who they hire.
Unless he is committed to fundamental change, we're going to be in this same spot 10 years from now.
Find a top-notch GM. Let him run the show. Get out of the way.
Watch John’s body language during the presser. He’s hurting and humiliated like most of us. He’s the owner but also a fan. I thought he was honest, had eaten a good piece of humble pie, He’s WElL aware people have issues with Chris as VP. It’s a sensitive point to him because it’s his brother. What he described Chris as doing he, frankly, is well qualified for. I have no issues with any answers he gave. He knows he and Tisch are responsible for this clown show. They need to get it right. Acknowledging prior mistakes, and taking the steps to get the right guy in as GM is step one. Let’s see who they hire.
Great take. I agree 100%. And someone has to interview the GM candidates.
and has been one of the very worst drafting and free agency teams in the NFL. They had 4 wins this season and have just about the least cap space of any team in the NFL. One of the OWNERS is the SR VP of Player Personnel and a lot of fans think he is one of the biggest reasons for the lack of success. But questioning the royal football family, not taking their every word as truth justice and the american way is obsession? Ok. Enjoy your medium Pepsi hopefully it helps to wash down the shit sandwich you're probably going to continue to eat if the stays quo is maintained. Joe Judge spectacularly failed trying to navigate the nepotism and incompetence maybe a new GM and HC have a better shot. But their jobs would be a lot easier without owners with zero qualifications meddling in football business they shouldn't.
NO, but bitching like whining babies when they are doing what we all wanted adn what MOPST here said they wouldn't do is getting really annoying. You can't bash them for not looking outside the organization or for not firing Judge so isntead we just pound on the Chris Mara part.. Come on, seriously...
The Giants have a boatload of Senior VPs (org chart linked below; might not be official).
The problem isn't that Chris Mara is a Senior VP. Make him Senior VP, Chief Cook & Bottle Washer. Anything but Senior VP of Player Personnel.
According to the linked org chart, Chris Mara has 16 people reporting to him, including:
Ken Sternfeld, Director of Pro Personnel
Mark Koncz, Director of Player Personnel
Chris Pettit, Director of College Scouting
Jeremiah Davis, Executive Scout
Ed Triggs, Director of Football Operations
Kevin Abrams, VP of Football Operations & Assistant GMs
Now:
1) This "unofficial org chart" might be wrong or
2) The org chart is in flux / incomplete given there is currently no GM or HC
Still, all the people listed as reporting to Chris Mara should be reporting to the GM IMHO.
IF this is the Giants structure, this is a problem and may cause some top GM candidates to decline if the structure isn't changed.
Watch John’s body language during the presser. He’s hurting and humiliated like most of us. He’s the owner but also a fan. I thought he was honest, had eaten a good piece of humble pie, He’s WElL aware people have issues with Chris as VP. It’s a sensitive point to him because it’s his brother. What he described Chris as doing he, frankly, is well qualified for. I have no issues with any answers he gave. He knows he and Tisch are responsible for this clown show. They need to get it right. Acknowledging prior mistakes, and taking the steps to get the right guy in as GM is step one. Let’s see who they hire.
For some reason on BBI holding opinion X is supposed to exclude you from also holding opinion Y.
I too agree with David and Dave, and I'm ecstatic that DG and JJ are gone. I am simultaneously bothered by how this PC was handled and am still skeptical of the Giants process with CMara and others involvement.
Retiring DG and firing JJ are -steps- in the right direction, not the final destination.
Watch John’s body language during the presser. He’s hurting and humiliated like most of us. He’s the owner but also a fan. I thought he was honest, had eaten a good piece of humble pie, He’s WElL aware people have issues with Chris as VP. It’s a sensitive point to him because it’s his brother. What he described Chris as doing he, frankly, is well qualified for. I have no issues with any answers he gave. He knows he and Tisch are responsible for this clown show. They need to get it right. Acknowledging prior mistakes, and taking the steps to get the right guy in as GM is step one. Let’s see who they hire.
Unless he is committed to fundamental change, we're going to be in this same spot 10 years from now.
Find a top-notch GM. Let him run the show. Get out of the way.
I agree with Eric here. Words are one thing, let's see some action behind all of it now. When the Giants hire a new GM and HC and we see a better product on the field then the dogs can be called off. For now, all we have to go on is Mara's words, which are either not far off or similar to what we've heard before.
I think you re wrong. In that sentence aren’t they objects of the preposition to?
Yes, I retract my statement. If what you are saying can also be described as "We" then it should be "Steve and I", if it can also be said as "us" then it can be "Steve and me".
In this case since it would be better with "it's up to us to fix..." then what John said is good...
The Giants have a boatload of Senior VPs (org chart linked below; might not be official).
The problem isn't that Chris Mara is a Senior VP. Make him Senior VP, Chief Cook & Bottle Washer. Anything but Senior VP of Player Personnel.
According to the linked org chart, Chris Mara has 16 people reporting to him, including:
Ken Sternfeld, Director of Pro Personnel
Mark Koncz, Director of Player Personnel
Chris Pettit, Director of College Scouting
Jeremiah Davis, Executive Scout
Ed Triggs, Director of Football Operations
Kevin Abrams, VP of Football Operations & Assistant GMs
Now:
1) This "unofficial org chart" might be wrong or
2) The org chart is in flux / incomplete given there is currently no GM or HC
Still, all the people listed as reporting to Chris Mara should be reporting to the GM IMHO.
IF this is the Giants structure, this is a problem and may cause some top GM candidates to decline if the structure isn't changed.
Supposedly The Giants Org Chart (No GM Or HC Currently Shown) - ( New Window )
Train - stop looking at the org chart. This is what John Mara said the GM role is in charge of...
"This will be a comprehensive search for our next general manager," said Mara. "We are looking for a person who demonstrates exceptional leadership and communication abilities, somebody who will oversee all aspects of our football operations, including player personnel, college scouting and coaching."
If you read the answer John Mara gave about his brother it doesn't pass the smell test.
Chris Mara is in the draft room sitting next to his brother. Are we supposed to believe he just sits and listens as players and picks are being debated or that when he speaks his words don't carry the weight of an owner?
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my brother spends most of his time doing evaluation of college players. His grades go into our system and he participates in the draft. All personnel decisions in this building – and this has always been the case – have been made by the general manager and the head coach. When they agree on a personnel decision, they come to me with it and as long as they’re both in agreement
So how does this work on draft day when players are coming off the board and there is limited time to make a choice? It just doesn't make any sense and if it was true it would defy every aspect of human nature in every family business on the planet.
Kudos to Pat Leonard for an excellent Chris Mara question about the interview process. And that last guy (or next to last guy) who asked about the GM's power to hire the HC and decide the fate of the QB.
The only way the franchise gets it back is proving it on the field.
We're back at 1979 again.
I completely agree. As of right now this is a rinse, lather and repeat of the last 5 years or whatever since they fired Coughlin. Put the words into action and let’s see some tangible evidence that things are changing and getting better. Step one is there so far in casting a wide net of very qualified, outside candidates for GM. Step 2 is HC and step 3 is overhauling the scouting and personnel/FO departments. Until we see that and see a better product on the field, it’s just words and press releases/emails.
My passion during games has gone way way down over the last decade and I hate that…
Happy to see it coming from J Mara.
Q: You made two big changes this week – changes again. Why should Giants fans believe you will get it right this time?
A: Well, I haven’t given them any reason to believe that. It’s up to (Chairman and Executive Vice President) Steve (Tisch) and me to make the right choices going forward to earn back their trust. That is not going to be an overnight process.
No it isn’t.
Take Steve out of the sentence..would it sound right as "it's up to I to make the right choices"? Or does "it's up to me to make the right choices", sound more like English grammar?
Clarified they knew they had to give the GM say over who the HC was (not saddle a GM with JJ).
Seems like they knew they had to "blow it up" go OUTSIDE the building this time to fix it. Hence no mention of Abrams.
He also clarified (even when pressed) that while Chris and Tim evaluate players, they don't have ANY authority on who's drafted/acquired. That's SOLEY up to the GM and the HC.
I didn't hear anything in this presser that sound like obvious lies or BS.
It seems that BBI got a lot of their assumptions wrong.
Let's just hope he gets it right this time.
The guy is an owner and is interviewing the GM candidates. He really has no more implied authority than any other scout? That is not even slightly believable.
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A lot of good that Fordham degree did...
No it isn’t.
Chris is correct. But John said "it will be Steve Tisch and myself who make the final decision," which I believe is incorrect. John still goes on the naughty grammar list, and gets coal in his stocking from Grammar Claus.
He certainly did a much better job than the guy in Chicago
I thought he was honest and candor
Clarified they knew they had to give the GM say over who the HC was (not saddle a GM with JJ).
Seems like they knew they had to "blow it up" go OUTSIDE the building this time to fix it. Hence no mention of Abrams.
He also clarified (even when pressed) that while Chris and Tim evaluate players, they don't have ANY authority on who's drafted/acquired. That's SOLEY up to the GM and the HC.
I didn't hear anything in this presser that sound like obvious lies or BS.
It seems that BBI got a lot of their assumptions wrong.
Let's just hope he gets it right this time.
Wrong.
If I posted John Mara's pressers from January 2016, January 2018, and January 2020, you would have a hard time telling them apart from this one.
If if Chris Mara doesn't have influence, why does he have such a lofty (VP of personnel) title?
Don't automatically assume what you are being told is the the truth.
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A lot of good that Fordham degree did...
No it isn’t.
The You vs I think always reminds me of the movie Summer School:
Cool teacher: "Those kids are as smart as you and me."
Stuffy principal: "You and I."
Wrong.
If I posted John Mara's pressers from January 2016, January 2018, and January 2020, you would have a hard time telling them apart from this one.
If if Chris Mara doesn't have influence, why does he have such a lofty (VP of personnel) title?
Don't automatically assume what you are being told is the the truth.
Just for shits and giggles, do you happen to have those transcripts still? Not questioning what you're saying but would love to read for comparisons sake.
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He seemed dead-up honest and remarkably humble about his failings over the last bunch of years.
Clarified they knew they had to give the GM say over who the HC was (not saddle a GM with JJ).
Seems like they knew they had to "blow it up" go OUTSIDE the building this time to fix it. Hence no mention of Abrams.
He also clarified (even when pressed) that while Chris and Tim evaluate players, they don't have ANY authority on who's drafted/acquired. That's SOLEY up to the GM and the HC.
I didn't hear anything in this presser that sound like obvious lies or BS.
It seems that BBI got a lot of their assumptions wrong.
Let's just hope he gets it right this time.
Wrong.
If I posted John Mara's pressers from January 2016, January 2018, and January 2020, you would have a hard time telling them apart from this one.
If if Chris Mara doesn't have influence, why does he have such a lofty (VP of personnel) title?
Don't automatically assume what you are being told is the the truth.
Chris Mara's title is Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. He was promoted from Vice President in 2011.
Outside the building for a GM and not using past Giants connection as a reason to speak with them and not to force Joe Judge on a new GM.
The one question I am curious about is what Mara said about player selection- the GM and Coach decide unless it is a split decision then Mara chimes in OR there is an off the field issue with a player.. if that is true, I am curious if Micah Parsons was a target who was removed from consideration for off the field rumors..
If I posted John Mara's pressers from January 2016, January 2018, and January 2020, you would have a hard time telling them apart from this one.
If if Chris Mara doesn't have influence, why does he have such a lofty (VP of personnel) title?
Don't automatically assume what you are being told is the the truth.
Did I say that? Let's say you're right and that the stuff about Chris and Tim are lies.
What else in the press conference was?
For MONTHS, the mantra has been it's gonna be Abrams and Judge. YOU thought that, Eric. For most of that time, I agreed with you.
But it doesn't appear to be playing out that way. Thankfully.
And FWIW, TO ME he seemed a bit more humbled and culpable than he did in 16, 18, and 20. YMMV
He called it the lowest point in his tenure. I don't recall hearing that before.
+1
We'll see.
Outside the building for a GM and not using past Giants connection as a reason to speak with them and not to force Joe Judge on a new GM.
The one question I am curious about is what Mara said about player selection- the GM and Coach decide unless it is a split decision then Mara chimes in OR there is an off the field issue with a player.. if that is true, I am curious if Micah Parsons was a target who was removed from consideration for off the field rumors..
It is a good question. He says "consensus" but if he is saying the GM and HC are making the decisions than it seems consensus is not really a great word and to me it implies there is more to it than what he stated.
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is bordering on the insane.
+1
+2
Why is someone commenting on Chris Mara - a topic that was asked by two beat reporters in the press conference - considered an obsession?
And what is your obsession with people asking about Chris Mara?
BBI comments at the time were the same. "John Mara sounds sincere. He is going to do the right thing to fix this."
The problem isn't John's sincerity. It's his decision-making ability.
No. What's insane is to have him retain that title.
Get rid of the issue. Remove the title.
BBI comments at the time were the same. "John Mara sounds sincere. He is going to do the right thing to fix this."
The problem isn't John's sincerity. It's his decision-making ability.
Ok, but shouldn't we wait for his decision before saying it is a bad one? Seems like what we have wanted is happening so far- Abrams isn't included so many were wrong here and Judge is gone, another thing many were convinced wasn't happening. let's see where this goes.
OK shill.
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is bordering on the insane.
No. What's insane is to have him retain that title.
Get rid of the issue. Remove the title.
Title hmm, reminds me of this episode of Cheers
Have a Title - ( New Window )
This part was confusing about interest in the GM and the number of candidates:
Does that make sense? Let's say 40 people are interested. I'm guessing that's a really high number...? We couldn't interview 8 of them? I didn't like the answer. Interview EVERY person who you think is possibly good. That's the only way to find the best candidates.
Unless he is committed to fundamental change, we're going to be in this same spot 10 years from now.
Find a top-notch GM. Let him run the show. Get out of the way.
NO, but bitching like whining babies when they are doing what we all wanted adn what MOPST here said they wouldn't do is getting really annoying. You can't bash them for not looking outside the organization or for not firing Judge so isntead we just pound on the Chris Mara part.. Come on, seriously...
Wrong. It's up to me (object of the preposition).
The problem isn't that Chris Mara is a Senior VP. Make him Senior VP, Chief Cook & Bottle Washer. Anything but Senior VP of Player Personnel.
According to the linked org chart, Chris Mara has 16 people reporting to him, including:
Ken Sternfeld, Director of Pro Personnel
Mark Koncz, Director of Player Personnel
Chris Pettit, Director of College Scouting
Jeremiah Davis, Executive Scout
Ed Triggs, Director of Football Operations
Kevin Abrams, VP of Football Operations & Assistant GMs
Now:
1) This "unofficial org chart" might be wrong or
2) The org chart is in flux / incomplete given there is currently no GM or HC
Still, all the people listed as reporting to Chris Mara should be reporting to the GM IMHO.
IF this is the Giants structure, this is a problem and may cause some top GM candidates to decline if the structure isn't changed.
Supposedly The Giants Org Chart (No GM Or HC Currently Shown) - ( New Window )
For some reason on BBI holding opinion X is supposed to exclude you from also holding opinion Y.
I too agree with David and Dave, and I'm ecstatic that DG and JJ are gone. I am simultaneously bothered by how this PC was handled and am still skeptical of the Giants process with CMara and others involvement.
Retiring DG and firing JJ are -steps- in the right direction, not the final destination.
BBI comments at the time were the same. "John Mara sounds sincere. He is going to do the right thing to fix this."
The problem isn't John's sincerity. It's his decision-making ability.
Gotcha, thank you.
I think you re wrong. In that sentence aren’t they objects of the preposition to?
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Watch John’s body language during the presser. He’s hurting and humiliated like most of us. He’s the owner but also a fan. I thought he was honest, had eaten a good piece of humble pie, He’s WElL aware people have issues with Chris as VP. It’s a sensitive point to him because it’s his brother. What he described Chris as doing he, frankly, is well qualified for. I have no issues with any answers he gave. He knows he and Tisch are responsible for this clown show. They need to get it right. Acknowledging prior mistakes, and taking the steps to get the right guy in as GM is step one. Let’s see who they hire.
Unless he is committed to fundamental change, we're going to be in this same spot 10 years from now.
Find a top-notch GM. Let him run the show. Get out of the way.
I agree with Eric here. Words are one thing, let's see some action behind all of it now. When the Giants hire a new GM and HC and we see a better product on the field then the dogs can be called off. For now, all we have to go on is Mara's words, which are either not far off or similar to what we've heard before.
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A lot of good that Fordham degree did...
I think you re wrong. In that sentence aren’t they objects of the preposition to?
Yes, I retract my statement. If what you are saying can also be described as "We" then it should be "Steve and I", if it can also be said as "us" then it can be "Steve and me".
In this case since it would be better with "it's up to us to fix..." then what John said is good...
The only way the franchise gets it back is proving it on the field.
We're back at 1979 again.
The problem isn't that Chris Mara is a Senior VP. Make him Senior VP, Chief Cook & Bottle Washer. Anything but Senior VP of Player Personnel.
According to the linked org chart, Chris Mara has 16 people reporting to him, including:
Ken Sternfeld, Director of Pro Personnel
Mark Koncz, Director of Player Personnel
Chris Pettit, Director of College Scouting
Jeremiah Davis, Executive Scout
Ed Triggs, Director of Football Operations
Kevin Abrams, VP of Football Operations & Assistant GMs
Now:
1) This "unofficial org chart" might be wrong or
2) The org chart is in flux / incomplete given there is currently no GM or HC
Still, all the people listed as reporting to Chris Mara should be reporting to the GM IMHO.
IF this is the Giants structure, this is a problem and may cause some top GM candidates to decline if the structure isn't changed.
Supposedly The Giants Org Chart (No GM Or HC Currently Shown) - ( New Window )
Train - stop looking at the org chart. This is what John Mara said the GM role is in charge of...
"This will be a comprehensive search for our next general manager," said Mara. "We are looking for a person who demonstrates exceptional leadership and communication abilities, somebody who will oversee all aspects of our football operations, including player personnel, college scouting and coaching."
Chris Mara is in the draft room sitting next to his brother. Are we supposed to believe he just sits and listens as players and picks are being debated or that when he speaks his words don't carry the weight of an owner?
So how does this work on draft day when players are coming off the board and there is limited time to make a choice? It just doesn't make any sense and if it was true it would defy every aspect of human nature in every family business on the planet.
Kudos to Pat Leonard for an excellent Chris Mara question about the interview process. And that last guy (or next to last guy) who asked about the GM's power to hire the HC and decide the fate of the QB.
Very well done there...
The only way the franchise gets it back is proving it on the field.
We're back at 1979 again.
I completely agree. As of right now this is a rinse, lather and repeat of the last 5 years or whatever since they fired Coughlin. Put the words into action and let’s see some tangible evidence that things are changing and getting better. Step one is there so far in casting a wide net of very qualified, outside candidates for GM. Step 2 is HC and step 3 is overhauling the scouting and personnel/FO departments. Until we see that and see a better product on the field, it’s just words and press releases/emails.
My passion during games has gone way way down over the last decade and I hate that…