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John Mara: A Broken Record

Bertie Big Bollocks : 1/12/2022 5:02 pm
You have to give Mara credit for being forthright and not sugarcoating the current mess. But this is a results-oriented league, the Giants' performance has been dismal since 2012. Why will the results be different this time, when you consider his track record over the last several years?

Mara's comments from key press conferences dating back to 2017:

Mara, Jan. 12, 2022 (firing of Joe Judge/Gettleman retirement) – “I feel very good about the group of candidates for the GM job that we have scheduled now. Any one of them would make an excellent GM...I am confident that we have the resources to make the right choice here.”

Mara, Dec. 30, 2019 (firing of Pat Shurmur) – “I’d like to think that we can start winning next year… I think there are some very attractive candidates who will have interest in this job. I believe we will get it right this time.”

Mara, Dec. 29, 2017 (hiring of Dave Gettleman) – “I expect us to be a good team in 2018. You go from last to first or first to last, teams do that every year...I don’t see any reason why we can’t have a successful team next year.”


What is he supposed to say?  
DCOrange : 1/12/2022 5:05 pm : link
Would you be happier if he said 'we suck, there is no hope so we are giving up"?
Registered Jan 2022  
ATL_Giants : 1/12/2022 5:09 pm : link
fucking troll.
He even was candid that  
Bob from Massachusetts : 1/12/2022 5:09 pm : link
he ha no reason to expect anyone to believe him. I feel for the guy, yes it's ultimately his fault we've been so bad for so long, but he does own it in the interview
More repeat  
lugnut : 1/12/2022 5:19 pm : link
Watch — he will say verbatim “he blew us away” when asked about winning GM interview.
RE: Registered Jan 2022  
Bertie Big Bollocks : 1/12/2022 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15549761 ATL_Giants said:
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fucking troll.


Not a troll, why will the Giants' ownership brass get it right this time? The injuries were brutal this season, that's the only mitigating factor. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the Giants have more than five games this season when Toney, Saquon, Golladay, and Shep were all active in the same game? That's the biggest reason why the team struggled so much this year. Would just like to see some reasons why the Giants will hire the right head coach/GM combo to get back to the playoffs by 2025.
Should he just pack it in?  
UConn4523 : 1/12/2022 5:23 pm : link
I don’t know what some of you want outside of him selling the team.

Let me know how many owners let the press know they expect a losing season. I’ll wait.
At least he didn't predict success next year  
GMen72 : 1/12/2022 5:29 pm : link
Even he knows how badly Gettleman ran the franchise into the ground.
You want  
PaulN : 1/12/2022 5:33 pm : link
Him to have his fucking head cut off. He was pretty shaken and distraught.
Any critique of the press conference today  
Essex : 1/12/2022 5:34 pm : link
would have to be that it was not aired live and the reporters were allowed only one question each. What he said was not objectionable. Duggan and Ranaan were getting out the nepotism issue and I thought they did not get to pin him down because John said it was ultimately the GM and Coaches decision. What Jordan was getting at that Chris and Tim's evaluations carry more weight, is a valid point. But, how Mara answered it was if those guys went directly to him and he said he would not give him more weight. But in the context of his answer the GM and the Coach get final say, the larger point is before it gets to them does the GM and Coach give his evaluations more weight because of who he is and the desire to curry favor with the boss's family. The whole dynamic appears from the outside leads to a stifling of honest conversations to lead to undue influence of the Mara's in personnel even if those guys don't go above the GM and Coach's head an appeal to John.
RE: RE: Registered Jan 2022  
GMen72 : 1/12/2022 5:36 pm : link
In comment 15549807 Bertie Big Bollocks said:
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In comment 15549761 ATL_Giants said:


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fucking troll.



Not a troll, why will the Giants' ownership brass get it right this time? The injuries were brutal this season, that's the only mitigating factor. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the Giants have more than five games this season when Toney, Saquon, Golladay, and Shep were all active in the same game? That's the biggest reason why the team struggled so much this year. Would just like to see some reasons why the Giants will hire the right head coach/GM combo to get back to the playoffs by 2025.


The team struggled because the OLine was terrible and Daniel Jones is average, at best. Throw in ultra conservative play calling and bend and break defense, and it's a recipe for disaster. They were 0-3 when everyone was healthy...it's just a bad football team.
RE: RE: Registered Jan 2022  
ATL_Giants : 1/12/2022 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15549807 Bertie Big Bollocks said:
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In comment 15549761 ATL_Giants said:


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fucking troll.



Not a troll... Would just like to see some reasons why the Giants will hire the right head coach/GM combo to get back to the playoffs by 2025.

In that case you're asking a question that can't be answered, so it just sounds like you're crapping on the owner (I understand that you're not).
People get hired and oversell themselves on their resumes and in interviews all the time (I'm guilty of this).
The only reason it might be different is that John and Steve will pick the right GM, and not by being lucky, but by having an excellent network of intel around the league.

I think that had that once, not sure if they still do.
He should have waited on this PC for at least a few days  
montanagiant : 1/12/2022 5:48 pm : link
Let things settle down and then have a real PC when things are clearer. Whoever is advising with PR related matters they truly suck at their job and he would do better to get rid of them also
A better question would be.....  
MOOPS : 1/12/2022 6:15 pm : link
are TroyArchersGhost and Bertie Big Bollocks the same guy?
BBI - Broken Record  
ZogZerg : 1/12/2022 6:24 pm : link
..
Bob has been here a long time  
Dave on the UWS : 1/12/2022 6:35 pm : link
and saw what I saw today. (As opposed to the OP)
This guy is humiliated and is owning up to this mess. What’s different is his acknowledgment that “blowing it up”, ripping the band aid off and starting from scratch is necessary. Step 1 be VERY thorough amd take their time to get the GM hire right. He can’t do or say more than that.
RE: RE: RE: Registered Jan 2022  
Bertie Big Bollocks : 1/12/2022 6:55 pm : link
RE: ATL -- Exactly, not crapping on Mara. Realize he's in a tough spot. Just pointing out what he said in the past for context. He was very confident in all of the Giants' hires over the past six years, even though the franchise could have done drastically better than Gettleman. Nobody has a crystal ball to predict if the latest GM/coaching combo will pan out.

Two years ago, when the Giants hired Judge there weren't many slam dunk candidates available. Look at how Rhule has turned out.

I liked the Shurmur hire, but preferred Jim Schwartz. In Detroit, Schwartz took a perpetual cellar dweller to the playoffs. He also had a proclivity for dialing up exotic blitzes in Philly that gave opposing QBs fits. Now, he's back with the Titans as a senior defensive assistant. The Titans ranked 29th against the pass and 28th overall in 2020. This season, they're only giving up about 20 ppg and rank 12th overall on defense.

If the Giants get it wrong again, we will likely be having this same chat three years from now.



In comment 15549887 ATL_Giants said:

In that case you're asking a question that can't be answered, so it just sounds like you're crapping on the owner (I understand that you're not).
People get hired and oversell themselves on their resumes and in interviews all the time (I'm guilty of this).
The only reason it might be different is that John and Steve will pick the right GM, and not by being lucky, but by having an excellent network of intel around the league.

I think that had that once, not sure if they still do. [/quote]
I heard nothing but contrition  
David B. : 1/12/2022 7:19 pm : link
Which, IMO was NEW, and under the circs, appropriate. He got up there and took his paddling from the beat writers. No excuses. Just a promise to try and get it right.





WHAT COULD THE MAN HAVE SAID that would have left you thinking:

[/i]OK, then, that's good.[/i]
JFC you people. You’re not happy unless you can bitch.  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/12/2022 7:42 pm : link
We got everything we were asking for, and you’re still not happy. “Oh, the press conference format!” Give me a goddamn break. The Maras are going to be involved in running the team. Get used to it. What Mara described today is not exactly George Steinbrenner. My advice is to go be a Jets fan, where the owners too busy to have tea with the queen or whatever the fuck to care.
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