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O’Connor: It’ll be Schoen or Hortiz

ajr2456 : 1/12/2022 5:07 pm
Says it’s from a longtime NFL evaluator
Hortiz or Shcoen - ( New Window )
Either seems good  
UberAlias : 1/12/2022 5:08 pm : link
to me
Judge  
robbieballs2003 : 1/12/2022 5:11 pm : link
?
Could live with either one  
jeff57 : 1/12/2022 5:12 pm : link
Just don’t know among Daboll, Frazier, Roman and Martindale, which one I would want to be HC.
Sounds good.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/12/2022 5:12 pm : link
.
Joe Ortiz  
M.S. : 1/12/2022 5:13 pm : link

Please.
I'd be happy with either one  
Greg from LI : 1/12/2022 5:13 pm : link
So long as they get total authority over football operations.
I think i like Hortiz more  
The Dude : 1/12/2022 5:14 pm : link
but i like the HC's linked with Schoen more?

I also can't pretend to know much about either of them, just going by what others say.

has  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/12/2022 5:14 pm : link
anyone seen if Hortiz has any interest in the position?
RE: I'd be happy with either one  
Bill in UT : 1/12/2022 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15549782 Greg from LI said:
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So long as they get total authority over football operations.


I don't see any of the good one's taking the job short of that
RE: I'd be happy with either one  
Bones : 1/12/2022 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15549782 Greg from LI said:
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So long as they get total authority over football operations.


Therein lies the problem. Mara’s won’t give that authority, therefore I believe both turn down the job.
RE: has  
robbieballs2003 : 1/12/2022 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15549784 Eric from BBI said:
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anyone seen if Hortiz has any interest in the position?


I think whore tits likes many positions.
RE: has  
Bill in UT : 1/12/2022 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15549784 Eric from BBI said:
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anyone seen if Hortiz has any interest in the position?


IDK. Anyone set or planned for an interview beyond first 4?
The Mara brothers good friend in the media  
arniefez : 1/12/2022 5:17 pm : link
just said:

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One respected longtime NFL evaluator predicted that the new Giants GM "will be a guy named Joe... Schoen or Hortiz ...And I would hire Hortiz."


and John Mara said today:

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Chris (Mara) is a very skilled evaluator


I guess it's going to be a Joe. Either one is fine with me. I have no idea how to choose a GM. I hope the Joe they pick turns out to be a great GM who picks a great coach.
The only thing I would say is that Hortiz  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/12/2022 5:18 pm : link
comes from an organization that has had success for longer. Buffalo has built an outstanding roster, but that's only in the last couple of years. I don't think luck is necessarily involved there, but the Ravens have been in contention for what seems like 20 years.
Oh sweet baby Jesus  
Saos1n : 1/12/2022 5:19 pm : link
Let this be true
RE: RE: has  
Mike from Ohio : 1/12/2022 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15549789 robbieballs2003 said:
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anyone seen if Hortiz has any interest in the position?



I think whore tits likes many positions.


I hope they don't hire Hortiz because the only thing I will think of now is whore tits.
I probably had heard his name before it was mentioned here  
arniefez : 1/12/2022 5:24 pm : link
but I don't remember it. So I have no idea who he is but it has always amazed me how the Ravens are always good and can keep plugging in players for players who leave for big money and keep winning. It seems they lost half their team to injuries this year and their QB for the stretch run and they still were in contention on week 18. I know they have one of the best HCs and coaching staff but it's still impressive as hell.
One thing I haven’t seen brought up  
Saos1n : 1/12/2022 5:26 pm : link
Schoen grew up not too far from Chicago and I believe he grew up a Bears fan. That GM job is open as well, although I’m too lazy to look up if they are interviewing him.
MAYBE FUCKING SEE EVERYONE  
David B. : 1/12/2022 5:26 pm : link
Then make the decision.
That is music to my ears  
Jay on the Island : 1/12/2022 5:28 pm : link
Those are the two I like the most among those that were mentioned among the interviewees. If I had to choose between them I would give Horitz the slight edge but Schoen is a good option.
RE: RE: RE: has  
robbieballs2003 : 1/12/2022 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15549811 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 15549784 Eric from BBI said:


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anyone seen if Hortiz has any interest in the position?



I think whore tits likes many positions.



I hope they don't hire Hortiz because the only thing I will think of now is whore tits.


He laid that one right over the plate


RE: MAYBE FUCKING SEE EVERYONE  
j_rud : 1/12/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15549822 David B. said:
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Then make the decision.


Its just the opinion of some anonymous league source, take a deep breath.
RE: MAYBE FUCKING SEE EVERYONE  
Platos : 1/12/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15549822 David B. said:
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Then make the decision.


isn't it amazing? like the search means nothing.

unless this "evaluator" is just stating his top 2, the idea that Jints Central's mind is already made up before even interviewing hortiz or about 5 other guys on the list is just amazing....
Hortiz looks like Ben McAdoo without hair  
Anakim : 1/12/2022 5:31 pm : link
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Ravens have been a good franchise for a very long time  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/12/2022 5:32 pm : link
Ozzie emphasized defense and they were pretty much always strong on the OL and front 7. Outstanding LB's. The dilemma was solving the QB spot. I think they still have the same problem today.

I would not want that offensive style as a foundation of a championship team. Last time they cashed in it was on the arm of Flacco from the pocket who was pretty immobile.

So if they hire this guy I'll take all of the Ravens strengths with the caveat they draft a pocket QB first.
RE: RE: MAYBE FUCKING SEE EVERYONE  
ajr2456 : 1/12/2022 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15549838 Platos said:
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In comment 15549822 David B. said:


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Then make the decision.



isn't it amazing? like the search means nothing.

unless this "evaluator" is just stating his top 2, the idea that Jints Central's mind is already made up before even interviewing hortiz or about 5 other guys on the list is just amazing....


I don’t think it means they’ve decided on those two.
RE: RE: MAYBE FUCKING SEE EVERYONE  
Rory : 1/12/2022 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15549838 Platos said:
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Then make the decision.



isn't it amazing? like the search means nothing.

unless this "evaluator" is just stating his top 2, the idea that Jints Central's mind is already made up before even interviewing hortiz or about 5 other guys on the list is just amazing....


are you guys dumb? its a reporters opinion, not official.

read
RE: RE: RE: MAYBE FUCKING SEE EVERYONE  
robbieballs2003 : 1/12/2022 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15549859 Rory said:
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In comment 15549838 Platos said:


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In comment 15549822 David B. said:


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Then make the decision.



isn't it amazing? like the search means nothing.

unless this "evaluator" is just stating his top 2, the idea that Jints Central's mind is already made up before even interviewing hortiz or about 5 other guys on the list is just amazing....



are you guys dumb? its a reporters opinion, not official.

read


Fail. Lol. It isn't a reporter's opinion.
Just putting my logic hat on  
NoGainDayne : 1/12/2022 5:48 pm : link
I think the fact that Hortiz wasn't in the first round of announcements but was after Judge was canned would suggest he wasn't originally interested and became serious.

It's not like Hortiz was someone that they suddenly became aware of, he's one of the top guys out there.
I wonder if Tisch wanting Harbaugh  
dpinzow : 1/12/2022 6:00 pm : link
and Hortiz now a co-favorite with Schoen for GM are connected. Hortiz is the one candidate who has a shot to attract Harbaugh
Getting guys from Baltimore  
Pete in MD : 1/12/2022 6:00 pm : link
worked in the past with Young and EA.
RE: RE: I'd be happy with either one  
clatterbuck : 1/12/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15549785 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15549782 Greg from LI said:


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So long as they get total authority over football operations.



I don't see any of the good one's taking the job short of that


Is there an owner in the league not named Bob Kraft that gives GM or pres. football ops or whatever the title "total authority?"
RE: Getting guys from Baltimore  
pa_giant_fan : 1/12/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15549913 Pete in MD said:
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worked in the past with Young and EA.

The ravens team now is the old cleveland browns, EA and Young came from the old baltimore colts now the Indy colts
RE: Getting guys from Baltimore  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/12/2022 6:16 pm : link
In comment 15549913 Pete in MD said:
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worked in the past with Young and EA.


They also took one of ours in BB. I would not be surprised if Ozzie learned a little of the Giants way during that time. They certainly placed a high value still today on the OL and defense.
RE: RE: RE: I'd be happy with either one  
Bill in UT : 1/12/2022 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15549919 clatterbuck said:
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In comment 15549782 Greg from LI said:


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So long as they get total authority over football operations.



I don't see any of the good one's taking the job short of that



Is there an owner in the league not named Bob Kraft that gives GM or pres. football ops or whatever the title "total authority?"


Let me refine that to authority short of John Mara veto input. And Mara would need to spell out in advance the situations where he would exercise that, like as I've said elsewhere, maybe over a #1 draft pick or numbers on a big contract (Tisch).
RE: RE: Getting guys from Baltimore  
Bill in UT : 1/12/2022 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15549934 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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worked in the past with Young and EA.



They also took one of ours in BB. I would not be surprised if Ozzie learned a little of the Giants way during that time. They certainly placed a high value still today on the OL and defense.


Not just that they play good D and OL, but they play fst and aggressive. Just take a look at the body types playing LB for the Ravens vs those of the Giants. Jaylon Smith sorta looks the type
RE: RE: Getting guys from Baltimore  
SJGiant : 1/12/2022 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15549922 pa_giant_fan said:
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worked in the past with Young and EA.


The ravens team now is the old cleveland browns, EA and Young came from the old baltimore colts now the Indy colts


The Cleveland Browns part of this statement I believe is incorrect

“As part of a settlement between the league and the city of Cleveland, Modell was required to leave the Browns' history, team colors, and records in Cleveland for a replacement team and replacement personnel that would resume play in 1999.”

RE: RE: RE: Getting guys from Baltimore  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2022 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15549949 Bill in UT said:
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worked in the past with Young and EA.



They also took one of ours in BB. I would not be surprised if Ozzie learned a little of the Giants way during that time. They certainly placed a high value still today on the OL and defense.



Not just that they play good D and OL, but they play fst and aggressive. Just take a look at the body types playing LB for the Ravens vs those of the Giants. Jaylon Smith sorta looks the type


This is what a lot of linebackers look like in the NFL. It's just that the Giants haven't cared about linebackers since the 80s
seem like the 2 most qualified of the candidates mentioned  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2022 6:53 pm : link
so speculatively this would make sense.
RE: RE: RE: Getting guys from Baltimore  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/12/2022 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15549949 Bill in UT said:
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worked in the past with Young and EA.



They also took one of ours in BB. I would not be surprised if Ozzie learned a little of the Giants way during that time. They certainly placed a high value still today on the OL and defense.



Not just that they play good D and OL, but they play fst and aggressive. Just take a look at the body types playing LB for the Ravens vs those of the Giants. Jaylon Smith sorta looks the type


Come on Chef. What the heck did he experience with the Giants in the 80's? I would not be surprised as I said where BB left Ozzie with some blueprints based on his time with the Giants. The Ravens defense was very similar to how the Giants played.
RE: RE: has  
eric2425ny : 1/12/2022 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15549789 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15549784 Eric from BBI said:


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anyone seen if Hortiz has any interest in the position?



I think whore tits likes many positions.


Lol, imagine the NY Post headlines if they hire him and he makes mistakes.
RE: I think i like Hortiz more  
Red Right Hand : 1/12/2022 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15549783 The Dude said:
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but i like the HC's linked with Schoen more?

I also can't pretend to know much about either of them, just going by what others say.
should probably pick the best gm for best GM, and take mara at his word they arent doing "package deals".
RE: has  
Simms11 : 1/12/2022 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15549784 Eric from BBI said:
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anyone seen if Hortiz has any interest in the position?


Mara indicated that nobody has turned them down.
Now we're talking  
Optimus-NY : 1/12/2022 10:57 pm : link
Both are fine candidates. I'd prefer Ortiz though because the Ravens' front office is as well prepared as anyone. Love me an Ozzie Newsome pedigree.
RE: Now we're talking  
Optimus-NY : 1/12/2022 11:17 pm : link
In comment 15550471 Optimus-NY said:
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Both are fine candidates. I'd prefer Ortiz though because the Ravens' front office is as well prepared as anyone. Love me an Ozzie Newsome pedigree.


Correction: Hortiz, not Ortiz.

Pardon me.
RE: RE: RE: Getting guys from Baltimore  
Breeze_94 : 1/13/2022 1:02 am : link
In comment 15549949 Bill in UT said:
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worked in the past with Young and EA.



They also took one of ours in BB. I would not be surprised if Ozzie learned a little of the Giants way during that time. They certainly placed a high value still today on the OL and defense.



Not just that they play good D and OL, but they play fst and aggressive. Just take a look at the body types playing LB for the Ravens vs those of the Giants. Jaylon Smith sorta looks the type


Baltimore has churned out so many studs in the front 7 over the years, it's impressive. Especially for a team that rarely ever picks inside the top 20.
They are both great candidates  
Heisenberg : 1/13/2022 8:40 am : link
and pretty low risk in that they've put in a lot of time and seem ready for the next step.
RE: Hortiz looks like Ben McAdoo without hair  
Victor in CT : 1/13/2022 10:02 am : link
In comment 15549841 Anakim said:
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hopefully not using the same tailor
RE: RE: RE: has  
ron mexico : 1/13/2022 10:07 am : link
In comment 15549811 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 15549784 Eric from BBI said:


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anyone seen if Hortiz has any interest in the position?



I think whore tits likes many positions.



I hope they don't hire Hortiz because the only thing I will think of now is whore tits.


what do you have against whore tits?!?!?!?
On talent, Hortiz's track record > Schoen's  
AJ23 : 1/13/2022 10:45 am : link
Notable picks (players that had long careers or clearly had/have displayed starting talent):

Joe Hortiz, Baltimore Ravens
Promoted to Director of College Scouting in January 2009
09 - OT Michael Oher (1st), DE Paul Kruger (2nd), CB Lardarius Webb (3rd)
10 - TE Ed Dickson (3rd), TE Dennis Pitta (4th), DE Arthur Jones (5th)
11 - CB Jimmy Smith (1st), WR Torrey Smith (2nd), Pernell McPhee (5th)
12 - LB Courtney Upshaw (1st), OG Kelechi Osemele (2nd)
13 - DT Brandon Williams (3rd), DE John Simon (4th), FB Kyle Juszscyk (4th), T Ricky Wagner (5th), T Ryan Jensen (6th)
14 – LB CJ Mosely (1st), DT Timmy Jernigan (2nd), DT Brent Urban (4th)
15 – WR Breshad Perriman (1st), TE Maxx Williams (2nd), DE Za’Darius Smith (4th), TE Darren Waller (6th)
16 – T Ronnie Stanley (1st), DE Matt Judon (5th)
17 – CB Marlon Humphrey (1st), LB Tyus Bowser (2nd)
18 – TE Hayden Hurst (1st), QB Lamar Jackson (2nd), T Orlando Brown Jr. (3rd), TE Mark Andrews (3rd), CB Anthony Averett (4th), C Bradley Bozeman (6th)
Promoted to Director of Player Personnel in January 2019
19 – WR Hollywood Brown (1st), OG Ben Powers (4th)
20 - LB Patrick Queen (1st), RB JK Dobbins (2nd), DT Justin Madubuike (3rd), LB Malik Harrison (3rd), T Tyre Phillips (3rd), G Ben Bredeson (4th)
21 – WR Rashod Bateman (1st), DE Odafe Oweh (1st), OL Ben Cleveland (3rd) CB Brandon Stephens (3rd)

Joe Schoen, Miami Dolphins and Buffalo Bills
Promoted to Dolphins Assistant Director of College Scouting in 13
14 – T Ja’Wuan James (1st), WR Jarvis Landry (2nd), T Billy Turner (3rd)
Promoted to Dolphins Director of Player Personnel in May 2014
15 – WR DeVante Parker (1st), DT Jordan Phillips (2nd), CB Bobby McCain (5th), B Jay Ajayi (5th)
16 – T Laremy Tunsil (1st), CB Xavien Howard (2nd), RB Kenyan Drake (3rd)
17 – LB Charles Harris (1st), DT Davon Godchaux (5th)
Named Bills Assistant GM in May 2017
18 – QB Josh Allen (1st), LB Tremaine Edmunds (1st), CB Taron Johnson (4th), G Wyatt Teller (5th)
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