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Are you buying what John Mara tried to sell you today?

cpgiants : 1/12/2022 6:06 pm
In any real-world situation, when a member of the ownership family gives input it is not "just input", it is influence......
Further, if the guy sucks at what he does, then it is undue influence......

Today he tried to sell us that Chris Mara is essentially a singular talent evaluator who produces reports that contribute to the overall process.

Is John lying or naive?

I think he's a good man, and so it is the latter.

The only way for ownership to have zero influence would be if they are silent.

I do not believe this will happen.

Nothing he said today convinced me that anything at all will change here.

Are you buying that change will happen or no?
give it a freaking break  
Bergen346 : 1/12/2022 6:08 pm : link
he's made the right changes so far hasnt he?

some people will be miserable no matter what decisions are made.
It up to you whether to buy it or not. If you don't fine and  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2022 6:14 pm : link
here is where you should start hanging out...

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/





I like mostly what I heard...  
bw in dc : 1/12/2022 6:16 pm : link
But you can't buy until the process plays out as communicated:

-- GM hired first
-- GM gets his coach
-- GM overhauls the evaluation process to his specs
-- GM/HC decide the QB
-- GM/HC have presser and sells their vision
-- Etc
I Think He Is Genuinely Upset  
Trainmaster : 1/12/2022 6:16 pm : link
and I think he is trying to make changes and he's willing to do a more thorough job vetting GM and HC candidates than he did previously.

However, IF there are areas within the Giants organization that are "off limits" to changes (e.g. Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell), then we're likely going to get more of the same.
Yeah, no reason to make this OP on any of the other  
montanagiant : 1/12/2022 6:16 pm : link
13 John Mara threads addressing the same thing
No one is going to be happy  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/12/2022 6:22 pm : link
Until they win. And when they win, who will legitimately criticize the process?
They are bringing in an outside GM and a coach  
AdamBrag : 1/12/2022 6:23 pm : link
They will be aligned. That is very good.

It's clear that Mara will still meddle and "ask questions" when he doesn't agree with a decision. That is not so good.

It still seems that Chris Mara will be heavily involved in the draft. However, from other articles, he's less involved then in the past and his input can be overruled. This is a MAJOR change from the pre-Judge era. There were some pretty credible rumors that Chris Mara was the one who drafted Daniel Jones.

It remains to be seen whether Petit and Koncz can be fired and whether a GM can actually move on from Jones or Barkley. I'd guess yes they can fire Petit and Koncz, no they can't move on from Jones or Barkley, at least next year.

Definitely steps in the right direction, but no, this team will still have a family owned company vibe.
Chris Mara  
darren in pdx : 1/12/2022 6:27 pm : link
isn't going anywhere. Remains to be seen if the new GM will have ultimate power versus the recent rumours. It'll be good news and a promising sign if Petit is kicked out. But if you take John's words at face value, the power structure is/will be GM/HC work in tandem and John has final say/veto power if they are in disagreement.
What was he selling?  
David B. : 1/12/2022 6:29 pm : link
Read the transcript. What do you think he was selling?
For Pete’s sake  
Dave on the UWS : 1/12/2022 6:29 pm : link
Does the man need to give his blood as a “pound of flesh tribute”. I agree with BW. I had virtually no issue with anything he said. In fact, you could easily tell he’s hurting (he’s a fan too) ans is humiliated at how bad this fs have gotten and how much he’s screwed up.
He recognizes “blowing it up” (his words, and starting from scratch is the only solution- something ALL of us have been screaming for.
I look at the list of GM candidates they are going to interview and they they are going to take their time to get it right- also what we’ve wanted. At this point, what more could he do? He clarified his brother’s role. I’m not sure I buy it , BUT he volunteered the info.
My gut tells me IF they get the right GM (and subsequently, the HC), then everything will work better.
Let’s see how it plays out.
Yes  
Bernie : 1/12/2022 6:39 pm : link
and I will expect the next GM and Coaching staff to return this team to being an annual contender. If they accomplish that, I will applaud them. If they fail, I will comment to that affect as well. Time will tell.
In my opinion...for as much as  
MattinKY : 1/12/2022 6:42 pm : link
we would like to think we are informed by one source or another we truly only get a fraction of the story.

This instant information age we reside in yields mostly diminished returns because the sources always rush to be the first to report.

I much prefer the real story over instant speculation.
I'd love-LOVE-to know Chris Mara's real role.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/12/2022 6:51 pm : link
It has run the gamut.
Some people have quite the ego  
UConn4523 : 1/12/2022 6:57 pm : link
and it’s paired with this notion that their opinion on how a football team should be run is not only correct, but the only way.

I’m sure Mara is sad to hear you don’t believe him.
I don’t get the negativity..  
Sean : 1/12/2022 7:06 pm : link
All year a lot of people were convinced that Abrams would be promoted & Judge would be retained.

Mara has gotten rid of Gettleman & Judge. In addition, Abrams will not be interviewed. The GM search appears to be broad and the GM will lead the HC search.

Isn’t this what everyone wanted?
I think Mara hurt our chances to get a good GM.  
Ron from Ninerland : 1/12/2022 7:08 pm : link
I think he narrowed the field of GM's who will even want to come here. He said, several times that he (Mara ) has to approve all personnel moves but don't worry, he will almost always approve as long as the GM and HC are in agreement. I don't think potential candidates want to hear that.

Now it goes without saying that the owner is going to have a say in who the starting QB and Head Coach are. These people are the face of the franchise and affect the ability of the owner to market the team. Mara, however gave the impression that he has to sign off on every draft pick and possibly every reserve special teamer on the practice squad.

The GM should be on the same page as the Head Coach, but when push comes to shove the GM has to make the final decision. I'm amazed that Mara doesn't understand that. Certainly the owner can veto the acquisition of a Michael Vick, but the most part the owner needs to keep hands off. Player personnel is the ultimate responsibility of the GM with input from the HC

As far as promoting the Giants as a desirable job for a GM, I think he took a step back.

As far as sounding humble and sincere to the fans, he may have succeeded for those fans that don't remember his last presser when he said the same thing.
For any decision on a player  
Ike#88 : 1/12/2022 7:09 pm : link
addition or subtraction, he said it is run by him. Does this mean each draft pick? As a GM is this the way it works across the league? He has had his hands on this demise. Deandre Baker? Daniel Jones. Toney. And then there are the free agent signings. Does mara really keep up with enough to know who is a great free agent signing? Solder? The thing I wonder is who has he vetoed?
RE: I don’t get the negativity..  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2022 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15550063 Sean said:
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All year a lot of people were convinced that Abrams would be promoted & Judge would be retained.

Mara has gotten rid of Gettleman & Judge. In addition, Abrams will not be interviewed. The GM search appears to be broad and the GM will lead the HC search.

Isn’t this what everyone wanted?


I just wrote this same thing on the Mara video thread...
RE: For Pete’s sake  
bwitz : 1/12/2022 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15549955 Dave on the UWS said:
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Does the man need to give his blood as a “pound of flesh tribute”. I agree with BW. I had virtually no issue with anything he said. In fact, you could easily tell he’s hurting (he’s a fan too) ans is humiliated at how bad this fs have gotten and how much he’s screwed up.
He recognizes “blowing it up” (his words, and starting from scratch is the only solution- something ALL of us have been screaming for.
I look at the list of GM candidates they are going to interview and they they are going to take their time to get it right- also what we’ve wanted. At this point, what more could he do? He clarified his brother’s role. I’m not sure I buy it , BUT he volunteered the info.
My gut tells me IF they get the right GM (and subsequently, the HC), then everything will work better.
Let’s see how it plays out.


Yeah. That’s all good, I guess. But he’s been giving lip service for YEARS. But, fuck us who are upset right? We should just be patient. Again.

Some of you are completely blind.
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Go Terps : 1/12/2022 7:10 pm : link
Within the context of what is realistic (removing Chris Mara is not realistic), I think the situation is as good as you could hope. Mara used the terms "reset button", "blow it up", and "fresh start". He brought up Barkley in response to a question about Jones, creating the thought that he knows they both are not untouchable and probably not part of the future.

Further, the GM search doesn't appear to be informed by Accorsi, Polian, or some other dinosaur.

Thus far this is as good as I would allow myself to hope for.
RE: .  
Sean : 1/12/2022 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15550073 Go Terps said:
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Within the context of what is realistic (removing Chris Mara is not realistic), I think the situation is as good as you could hope. Mara used the terms "reset button", "blow it up", and "fresh start". He brought up Barkley in response to a question about Jones, creating the thought that he knows they both are not untouchable and probably not part of the future.

Further, the GM search doesn't appear to be informed by Accorsi, Polian, or some other dinosaur.

Thus far this is as good as I would allow myself to hope for.

Yup. Glad we aren’t Bears fans right now. That feels like the Giants search in 2018.
I'd classify most of his end of the year speeches as BS lipservice  
NoGainDayne : 1/12/2022 7:11 pm : link
I wouldn't say that about today.

He seems genuinely humbled by this and embarrassed which I think needed to happen before he'd consider any real change.

He acknowledged mistakes he's made, that we had no reason to trust him, you know genuine contrition.

Will he go all the way to overhaul the organization? That I don't think we know. But anyone who doesn't think it's at least possible based on this is just being overly pessimistic.
RE: RE: For Pete’s sake  
bw in dc : 1/12/2022 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15550072 bwitz said:
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Yeah. That’s all good, I guess. But he’s been giving lip service for YEARS. But, fuck us who are upset right? We should just be patient. Again.

Some of you are completely blind.


I absolutely get the cynicism. Mara is the owner who has cried wolf.

But I like where I'm reading from the press and how Mara is at least espousing a process that is the right approach. Now it's all about execution.

RE: I don’t get the negativity..  
UConn4523 : 1/12/2022 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15550063 Sean said:
Quote:
All year a lot of people were convinced that Abrams would be promoted & Judge would be retained.

Mara has gotten rid of Gettleman & Judge. In addition, Abrams will not be interviewed. The GM search appears to be broad and the GM will lead the HC search.

Isn’t this what everyone wanted?


It’s perplexing to say the least. The goal posts have wheels at this point.
RE: RE: RE: For Pete’s sake  
bwitz : 1/12/2022 7:25 pm : link
In comment 15550083 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15550072 bwitz said:


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Yeah. That’s all good, I guess. But he’s been giving lip service for YEARS. But, fuck us who are upset right? We should just be patient. Again.

Some of you are completely blind.



I absolutely get the cynicism. Mara is the owner who has cried wolf.

But I like where I'm reading from the press and how Mara is at least espousing a process that is the right approach. Now it's all about execution.


I’m as hopeful as anyone that it’s going to work out this time. But the track record is what it is and, as Eric pointed out, this press conference was cookie cutter from Mara.

You’re right, execution is key. That fans have a crisis in faith that they’ll actually do that and follow through without interference, that’s the ultimate problem this franchise needs to fix with their fanbase.
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Danny Kanell : 1/12/2022 7:27 pm : link
I’m not sure how anyone can complain right now. He’s done everything we could have reasonably expected him to do.

I also thought he was pretty genuine in the press conference today.
RE: RE: I don’t get the negativity..  
bwitz : 1/12/2022 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15550084 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15550063 Sean said:


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All year a lot of people were convinced that Abrams would be promoted & Judge would be retained.

Mara has gotten rid of Gettleman & Judge. In addition, Abrams will not be interviewed. The GM search appears to be broad and the GM will lead the HC search.

Isn’t this what everyone wanted?



It’s perplexing to say the least. The goal posts have wheels at this point.


Bullshit. There’s not goal post being moved at all. It’s time for them to execute on the things they’ve been saying they’d do for years.
RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/12/2022 7:38 pm : link
In comment 15550117 Danny Kanell said:
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I’m not sure how anyone can complain right now. He’s done everything we could have reasonably expected him to do.

I also thought he was pretty genuine in the press conference today.


+1.
To be honest...  
Brown_Hornet : 1/12/2022 7:47 pm : link
... what's the alternative?

It would be pathetic to complain day in and day out post after post about a guy associated with my favorite football team.

Hopefully it works hopefully he's done all the right things seems to me so far so good... At least for January 2022.
RE: I don’t get the negativity..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2022 7:49 pm : link
In comment 15550063 Sean said:
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All year a lot of people were convinced that Abrams would be promoted & Judge would be retained.



It took a six-game losing streak of blowouts and a historic mental breakdown of personality in Judge to move management off that plan.
RE: RE: RE: I don’t get the negativity..  
UConn4523 : 1/12/2022 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15550120 bwitz said:
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In comment 15550084 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 15550063 Sean said:


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All year a lot of people were convinced that Abrams would be promoted & Judge would be retained.

Mara has gotten rid of Gettleman & Judge. In addition, Abrams will not be interviewed. The GM search appears to be broad and the GM will lead the HC search.

Isn’t this what everyone wanted?



It’s perplexing to say the least. The goal posts have wheels at this point.



Bullshit. There’s not goal post being moved at all. It’s time for them to execute on the things they’ve been saying they’d do for years.


Not sure you understand what goal post moving means. Might want to read up on that and come back when ready.
Not buying until…  
STLGiant : 1/12/2022 9:09 pm : link
Chris Mara and Petit are re-assigned. Otherwise just window dressings.
He’s doing a thorough  
Les in TO : 1/12/2022 9:11 pm : link
Search of external candidates for GM, admitting he rushed the process last time. He’s letting the GM recommend the next coach which he will rubber stamp barring any major character/off field issues.

So far so good but I’ll see who is hired, who they hire as coach and who is fired/retired in the front office before drawing conclusions.

The worst thing he could have done was kept the status quo.
RE: I think Mara hurt our chances to get a good GM.  
Red Right Hand : 1/12/2022 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15550067 Ron from Ninerland said:
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I think he narrowed the field of GM's who will even want to come here. He said, several times that he (Mara ) has to approve all personnel moves but don't worry, he will almost always approve as long as the GM and HC are in agreement. I don't think potential candidates want to hear that.

Now it goes without saying that the owner is going to have a say in who the starting QB and Head Coach are. These people are the face of the franchise and affect the ability of the owner to market the team. Mara, however gave the impression that he has to sign off on every draft pick and possibly every reserve special teamer on the practice squad.

The GM should be on the same page as the Head Coach, but when push comes to shove the GM has to make the final decision. I'm amazed that Mara doesn't understand that. Certainly the owner can veto the acquisition of a Michael Vick, but the most part the owner needs to keep hands off. Player personnel is the ultimate responsibility of the GM with input from the HC

As far as promoting the Giants as a desirable job for a GM, I think he took a step back.

As far as sounding humble and sincere to the fans, he may have succeeded for those fans that don't remember his last presser when he said the same thing.
and yet they have interviews already scheduled with every candidate worth a shit... And has said no one has turned down an interview request yet.
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