In any real-world situation, when a member of the ownership family gives input it is not "just input", it is influence......
Further, if the guy sucks at what he does, then it is undue influence......
Today he tried to sell us that Chris Mara is essentially a singular talent evaluator who produces reports that contribute to the overall process.
Is John lying or naive?
I think he's a good man, and so it is the latter.
The only way for ownership to have zero influence would be if they are silent.
I do not believe this will happen.
Nothing he said today convinced me that anything at all will change here.
Are you buying that change will happen or no?
some people will be miserable no matter what decisions are made.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/
https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/
-- GM hired first
-- GM gets his coach
-- GM overhauls the evaluation process to his specs
-- GM/HC decide the QB
-- GM/HC have presser and sells their vision
-- Etc
However, IF there are areas within the Giants organization that are "off limits" to changes (e.g. Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell), then we're likely going to get more of the same.
It's clear that Mara will still meddle and "ask questions" when he doesn't agree with a decision. That is not so good.
It still seems that Chris Mara will be heavily involved in the draft. However, from other articles, he's less involved then in the past and his input can be overruled. This is a MAJOR change from the pre-Judge era. There were some pretty credible rumors that Chris Mara was the one who drafted Daniel Jones.
It remains to be seen whether Petit and Koncz can be fired and whether a GM can actually move on from Jones or Barkley. I'd guess yes they can fire Petit and Koncz, no they can't move on from Jones or Barkley, at least next year.
Definitely steps in the right direction, but no, this team will still have a family owned company vibe.
He recognizes “blowing it up” (his words, and starting from scratch is the only solution- something ALL of us have been screaming for.
I look at the list of GM candidates they are going to interview and they they are going to take their time to get it right- also what we’ve wanted. At this point, what more could he do? He clarified his brother’s role. I’m not sure I buy it , BUT he volunteered the info.
My gut tells me IF they get the right GM (and subsequently, the HC), then everything will work better.
Let’s see how it plays out.
This instant information age we reside in yields mostly diminished returns because the sources always rush to be the first to report.
I much prefer the real story over instant speculation.
I’m sure Mara is sad to hear you don’t believe him.
Mara has gotten rid of Gettleman & Judge. In addition, Abrams will not be interviewed. The GM search appears to be broad and the GM will lead the HC search.
Isn’t this what everyone wanted?
Now it goes without saying that the owner is going to have a say in who the starting QB and Head Coach are. These people are the face of the franchise and affect the ability of the owner to market the team. Mara, however gave the impression that he has to sign off on every draft pick and possibly every reserve special teamer on the practice squad.
The GM should be on the same page as the Head Coach, but when push comes to shove the GM has to make the final decision. I'm amazed that Mara doesn't understand that. Certainly the owner can veto the acquisition of a Michael Vick, but the most part the owner needs to keep hands off. Player personnel is the ultimate responsibility of the GM with input from the HC
As far as promoting the Giants as a desirable job for a GM, I think he took a step back.
As far as sounding humble and sincere to the fans, he may have succeeded for those fans that don't remember his last presser when he said the same thing.
Mara has gotten rid of Gettleman & Judge. In addition, Abrams will not be interviewed. The GM search appears to be broad and the GM will lead the HC search.
Isn’t this what everyone wanted?
I just wrote this same thing on the Mara video thread...
He recognizes “blowing it up” (his words, and starting from scratch is the only solution- something ALL of us have been screaming for.
I look at the list of GM candidates they are going to interview and they they are going to take their time to get it right- also what we’ve wanted. At this point, what more could he do? He clarified his brother’s role. I’m not sure I buy it , BUT he volunteered the info.
My gut tells me IF they get the right GM (and subsequently, the HC), then everything will work better.
Let’s see how it plays out.
Yeah. That’s all good, I guess. But he’s been giving lip service for YEARS. But, fuck us who are upset right? We should just be patient. Again.
Some of you are completely blind.
Further, the GM search doesn't appear to be informed by Accorsi, Polian, or some other dinosaur.
Thus far this is as good as I would allow myself to hope for.
Further, the GM search doesn't appear to be informed by Accorsi, Polian, or some other dinosaur.
Thus far this is as good as I would allow myself to hope for.
Yup. Glad we aren’t Bears fans right now. That feels like the Giants search in 2018.
He seems genuinely humbled by this and embarrassed which I think needed to happen before he'd consider any real change.
He acknowledged mistakes he's made, that we had no reason to trust him, you know genuine contrition.
Will he go all the way to overhaul the organization? That I don't think we know. But anyone who doesn't think it's at least possible based on this is just being overly pessimistic.
Yeah. That’s all good, I guess. But he’s been giving lip service for YEARS. But, fuck us who are upset right? We should just be patient. Again.
Some of you are completely blind.
I absolutely get the cynicism. Mara is the owner who has cried wolf.
But I like where I'm reading from the press and how Mara is at least espousing a process that is the right approach. Now it's all about execution.
Mara has gotten rid of Gettleman & Judge. In addition, Abrams will not be interviewed. The GM search appears to be broad and the GM will lead the HC search.
Isn’t this what everyone wanted?
It’s perplexing to say the least. The goal posts have wheels at this point.
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Yeah. That’s all good, I guess. But he’s been giving lip service for YEARS. But, fuck us who are upset right? We should just be patient. Again.
Some of you are completely blind.
I absolutely get the cynicism. Mara is the owner who has cried wolf.
But I like where I'm reading from the press and how Mara is at least espousing a process that is the right approach. Now it's all about execution.
I’m as hopeful as anyone that it’s going to work out this time. But the track record is what it is and, as Eric pointed out, this press conference was cookie cutter from Mara.
You’re right, execution is key. That fans have a crisis in faith that they’ll actually do that and follow through without interference, that’s the ultimate problem this franchise needs to fix with their fanbase.
I also thought he was pretty genuine in the press conference today.
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All year a lot of people were convinced that Abrams would be promoted & Judge would be retained.
Mara has gotten rid of Gettleman & Judge. In addition, Abrams will not be interviewed. The GM search appears to be broad and the GM will lead the HC search.
Isn’t this what everyone wanted?
It’s perplexing to say the least. The goal posts have wheels at this point.
Bullshit. There’s not goal post being moved at all. It’s time for them to execute on the things they’ve been saying they’d do for years.
I also thought he was pretty genuine in the press conference today.
+1.
It would be pathetic to complain day in and day out post after post about a guy associated with my favorite football team.
Hopefully it works hopefully he's done all the right things seems to me so far so good... At least for January 2022.
It took a six-game losing streak of blowouts and a historic mental breakdown of personality in Judge to move management off that plan.
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All year a lot of people were convinced that Abrams would be promoted & Judge would be retained.
Mara has gotten rid of Gettleman & Judge. In addition, Abrams will not be interviewed. The GM search appears to be broad and the GM will lead the HC search.
Isn’t this what everyone wanted?
It’s perplexing to say the least. The goal posts have wheels at this point.
Bullshit. There’s not goal post being moved at all. It’s time for them to execute on the things they’ve been saying they’d do for years.
Not sure you understand what goal post moving means. Might want to read up on that and come back when ready.
So far so good but I’ll see who is hired, who they hire as coach and who is fired/retired in the front office before drawing conclusions.
The worst thing he could have done was kept the status quo.
Now it goes without saying that the owner is going to have a say in who the starting QB and Head Coach are. These people are the face of the franchise and affect the ability of the owner to market the team. Mara, however gave the impression that he has to sign off on every draft pick and possibly every reserve special teamer on the practice squad.
The GM should be on the same page as the Head Coach, but when push comes to shove the GM has to make the final decision. I'm amazed that Mara doesn't understand that. Certainly the owner can veto the acquisition of a Michael Vick, but the most part the owner needs to keep hands off. Player personnel is the ultimate responsibility of the GM with input from the HC
As far as promoting the Giants as a desirable job for a GM, I think he took a step back.
As far as sounding humble and sincere to the fans, he may have succeeded for those fans that don't remember his last presser when he said the same thing.