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| Of the many miscalculations Mara has made in recent years, his belief that Gettleman and Judge were on the same page after the team’s 5-3 finish to last season was one of his worst. If Mara had the necessary tough conversations, he would have learned that the relationship started to deteriorate last season and had only gotten worse, according to a source. |
The funny thing is they were probably both trying to shovel bullshit into each others mouths that neither of them were buying
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DG should have been fired with Shurmur. That was THE mistake. Then Mara could done what he says he wants to do now...
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Christ Gettleman was such a fucking schmuck.
DG should have been fired with Shurmur. That was THE mistake. Then Mara could done what he says he wants to do now...
Yep.
Remember earlier this year how all the DG defenders were converting themselves into Judge advocates. And used the concept that these two were collaborating so well and the player acquisitions were improving so let's just keep going with Gettleman as GM. Classic...
It bothers me too. At least I would have liked more questions directed at Mara on the Gettleman topic.
We could have used a random number generator at every major decision and done better than Gettleman did. I can't say enough bad things about this asshole.
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Christ Gettleman was such a fucking schmuck.
DG should have been fired with Shurmur. That was THE mistake. Then Mara could done what he says he wants to do now...
yup, was so fucking obvious to everyone but mara. at least he looks really pained by this.
I was in that group, myself
I do not know Duggan's credibility so for now I won't question the article.
(This is getting worse by the day).
everyone thought that was a great move for the most part. but who knows maybe ojulari was going to be one of those guys that drops further. we dont know. quincy roche was supposed to be a 2nd/3rd rounder and he went in the 6th.
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at this year's draft per that video where DG walks away from Judge looking very annoyed.
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Trying to recall...wasn't that during Rd 2 about the time they traded back for the second time in draft?
I am just guessing but I think Getts wanted to stay and pick and then lost his targeted guy before they got to their new lower pick...
(This is getting worse by the day).
ESPECIALLY when your brother and nephew are around those people on an everyday basis. It's mind boggling
If the GM isn't allowed to clean house, I suspect we're going to be in the same spot years from now.
The cancer situation, I believe, played a huge role in Mara having a super-light touch with Gettleman.
Judge had his issues but the fact DG gets a free pass and is not accountable is pretty disgusting. We all have to answer for our professional mistakes at the most basic level, and JJ wont ever likely be a HC again. Pretty crappy for an owner!
That was very funny...
Sad as is unhappy, or sad as in pathetic?
The organization has not made a single good hire since Coughlin/Reese. When that changes the dysfunction will stop. if they make bad hires the dysfunction will continue. It's as simple as that.
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but it bugs me that Gettleman was allowed to ride off into the sunset while Judge got canned. At the end of the day Judge coached himself out of a job the last month but I don't think an inside sabotage job by a Jerry Jones plant could've fucked Judge worse than Gettleman did.
The cancer situation, I believe, played a huge role in Mara having a super-light touch with Gettleman.
And the deathbed situation has kept Ronnie Barnes here. The man is nothing if not an empath
I think Judge was pissed at the crappy players Getts was pulling in the door and throwing at him, even the "shots in the dark" like a Benjamin who didn't have any financial guarantees but were complete wastes of his coaching time.
And it ended with Judge throwing him away before the first practice ever took place and Getts standing there trying to play good cop since he was responsible for Benjamin being there...
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at least John Mara seemed "sad" today.
Sad as is unhappy, or sad as in pathetic?
I'm told by some that I should believe John Mara has changed his ways because he seemed embarrassed today. This time it's different. Feelings and such.
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at this year's draft per that video where DG walks away from Judge looking very annoyed.
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What's with DG and his volitional hand movements? Strange fella, all the away around.
Clear lines of responsibility and authority need to be drawn. It appears (whether it's Chris Mara alone or others) that the Giants have some blurred authority at least.
Again, GM needs to be President of Football Operations with the authority and responsibility for all football related matters. That would go a long way to reducing or eliminating this dysfunction.
Yes, I remember posting the video on this board and calling it out at the time. I was told I was crazy!
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at this year's draft per that video where DG walks away from Judge looking very annoyed.
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I can watch that all day. It's a video worth a thousand words with all of the central characters.
Judge's snicker/laugh at the end towards DG was sensational. May have been the last time I applauded something JJ did.
The organization has not made a single good hire since Coughlin/Reese. When that changes the dysfunction will stop. if they make bad hires the dysfunction will continue. It's as simple as that.
I guess expecting the owner/president of football ops to have an understanding that his HC and GM are at odds or there's a scout in the front office that's making an ass of himself is too much to ask.
Mara himself is no leader. That's how you get infected by the cancer of tough guy a-holes.
If you have a long, mostly good relationship with someone you don’t generally inflict pain/embarrassment for little to no reason if you have any class, even if things didn’t work out. It’s a bad look to intentionally be a dick to a guy headed out the door, too.
Judge was different in that they wanted to keep him initially so let it play out, and then he wasn’t leaving without being terminated. I think they got the message real quick they’d have to clean the slate to get GM candidates to seriously consider coming. Plus I think they realized half measures only kept more questions and fan anger coming so it was better to just move on. I think they cared that cutting JJ now is going to hurt his career, too. They brought him into a bad situation but I think the last few weeks made it untenable to keep him given the Presser, etc. So overall it became clear it was in their best interests for the team to clean the slate.
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but it bugs me that Gettleman was allowed to ride off into the sunset while Judge got canned. At the end of the day Judge coached himself out of a job the last month but I don't think an inside sabotage job by a Jerry Jones plant could've fucked Judge worse than Gettleman did.
The cancer situation, I believe, played a huge role in Mara having a super-light touch with Gettleman.
That was 3 years ago. If it's insensitive so be it but that's weak.
Judge had his issues but the fact DG gets a free pass and is not accountable is pretty disgusting. We all have to answer for our professional mistakes at the most basic level, and JJ wont ever likely be a HC again. Pretty crappy for an owner!
DG only got a pass in name only. His contract was expiring, he still left a disgrace on everyone's eyes.
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at this year's draft per that video where DG walks away from Judge looking very annoyed.
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I can watch that all day. It's a video worth a thousand words with all of the central characters.
Judge's snicker/laugh at the end towards DG was sensational. May have been the last time I applauded something JJ did.
Haha! The snicker and grin at the very end was my favorite part. I also think it’s the only times I ever seen Judge crack a smile in two years
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Christ Gettleman was such a fucking schmuck.
DG should have been fired with Shurmur. That was THE mistake. Then Mara could done what he says he wants to do now...
Not only a mistake, but a mistake they were repeating from the Reese/Coughlin era.
If you have a long, mostly good relationship with someone you don’t generally inflict pain/embarrassment for little to no reason if you have any class, even if things didn’t work out. It’s a bad look to intentionally be a dick to a guy headed out the door, too.
Judge was different in that they wanted to keep him initially so let it play out, and then he wasn’t leaving without being terminated. I think they got the message real quick they’d have to clean the slate to get GM candidates to seriously consider coming. Plus I think they realized half measures only kept more questions and fan anger coming so it was better to just move on. I think they cared that cutting JJ now is going to hurt his career, too. They brought him into a bad situation but I think the last few weeks made it untenable to keep him given the Presser, etc. So overall it became clear it was in their best interests for the team to clean the slate.
Good post. I've agreed with the BBI sentiment most of the way but I don't understand all the hemming and hawing about Gettleman 'getting' to retire instead of being fired. What matters is he is gone. He should have been gone sooner, or better yet never hired at all but he was. He was shown the door, the semantics is all just sour grapes.
DG doesnt look on board, so surprisingly, this was a better pick.
Is that Chris across from JJ?