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PFF Final 2021 Offensive Line Rankings

shadow_spinner0 : 1/12/2022 7:02 pm
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30. NEW YORK GIANTS (DOWN 2)
LT Andrew Thomas | 78.4
LG Matt Skura | 50.8
C Billy Price | 62.3
RG Will Hernandez | 55.9
RT Nate Solder | 60.2

Things weren’t just bad on the offensive line for the Giants (left tackle Andrew Thomas had more receiving touchdowns than Kenny Golladay and Kadarius Toney — their big-money free agent and first-round rookie — combined), but it certainly started there.

Thomas was the best-graded player on the line, and when he missed time, things were near disastrous. He allowed 19 pressures across 517 pass-blocking snaps. His development in Year 2 was a massive positive, but he might be the only member of the line who has a clear future going forward.


Panthers were 31, Dolphins were 32. Crazy how the Raiders were ranked 28th yet they made the playoffs.
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Andrew Thomas  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/12/2022 7:05 pm : link
And 4 backups. Just ridiculous how bad this line was.
Up from #31 last year, so progress!  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2022 7:07 pm : link
Should be in good shape by the year 2045...
The Eagles OL was a shocker.  
j_rud : 1/12/2022 7:11 pm : link
Kelce looked done last year. They appeared screwed at LT til Mailata came out of nowhere to not only beat Dillard but perform at a pro bowl level. Side note: I ended up seated next to Darius Slay's bday party on New Years Eve and Mailata is one of the most massive human beings I've ever seen. Driscoll also performed better than expected and Lane Johnson was back to normal after he took the time to address his mental health (good for him on that note too).

God I hate those fucks...
This really gets under my skin...  
bw in dc : 1/12/2022 7:20 pm : link
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The Chargers overhauled their offensive line in the offseason, and it has been a roaring success. Rashawn Slater represents a slam-dunk first-round draft pick. He is already one of the best left tackles in the league, allowing 26 pressures across 16 games and being one of only four tackles with 80.0-plus PFF grades as both a run-blocker and a pass-protector.

Corey Linsley and Matt Feiler were massive upgrades in free agency, leaving the team with just a weak link at right tackle once Bryan Bulaga went down 45 snaps into the season.


I wanted to draft Slater and thought a much better use of LW's or KG's money was to invest in the OL and buy Linsley.

JFC.
Sorta like  
Bill in UT : 1/12/2022 7:23 pm : link
Andrew Thomas and the Pips
I just don't buy these rankings at all.  
BigBlueNH : 1/12/2022 7:32 pm : link
There is no way that another team's OL performed worse than ours over the course of the entire year. It was the worst performance I have seen in 50+ years.
Price  
Toth029 : 1/12/2022 7:33 pm : link
Really was the teams second best OL.

Startling to say the least.
RE: I just don't buy these rankings at all.  
Producer : 1/12/2022 7:34 pm : link
In comment 15550130 BigBlueNH said:
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There is no way that another team's OL performed worse than ours over the course of the entire year. It was the worst performance I have seen in 50+ years.


You should try watching other teams. OLs are a problem all around the league.
RE: I just don't buy these rankings at all.  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2022 7:36 pm : link
In comment 15550130 BigBlueNH said:
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There is no way that another team's OL performed worse than ours over the course of the entire year. It was the worst performance I have seen in 50+ years.


Do you think it really matters much after the rankings of the top 25 or so are completed?

#26 vs #32 vs #132...who cares, they stink...
RE: I just don't buy these rankings at all.  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/12/2022 7:36 pm : link
In comment 15550130 BigBlueNH said:
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There is no way that another team's OL performed worse than ours over the course of the entire year. It was the worst performance I have seen in 50+ years.

Every team with a bad OL says they have the worst OL. Giants fan say this, go to a Dolphins forum and I'm sure a bunch of their fans are saying "WE HAVE THE WORST OL EVER". Ours is bad yes but there are other equally as bad around the league.
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Producer : 1/12/2022 7:42 pm : link
In comment 15550137 Jimmy Googs said:
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There is no way that another team's OL performed worse than ours over the course of the entire year. It was the worst performance I have seen in 50+ years.



Do you think it really matters much after the rankings of the top 25 or so are completed?

#26 vs #32 vs #132...who cares, they stink...


it's a part of an argument to excuse Jones' poor performance. If the Giants are uniquely bad they can say Jones never had a chance. But if there are lines that are as bad or worse, like Miami, and the QB performed pretty well, like Tua, that argument goes away.
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bw in dc : 1/12/2022 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15550136 Producer said:
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There is no way that another team's OL performed worse than ours over the course of the entire year. It was the worst performance I have seen in 50+ years.



You should try watching other teams. OLs are a problem all around the league.


So true.
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Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2022 7:49 pm : link
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There is no way that another team's OL performed worse than ours over the course of the entire year. It was the worst performance I have seen in 50+ years.



Do you think it really matters much after the rankings of the top 25 or so are completed?

#26 vs #32 vs #132...who cares, they stink...



it's a part of an argument to excuse Jones' poor performance. If the Giants are uniquely bad they can say Jones never had a chance. But if there are lines that are as bad or worse, like Miami, and the QB performed pretty well, like Tua, that argument goes away.


Yeah, i played those games with posters hanging onto Eli too long too.

Bottom line though is Jones is pretty clueless as a QB and the OL needs a lot of improvement...
RE: The Eagles OL was a shocker.  
ThreePoints : 1/12/2022 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15550077 j_rud said:
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Kelce looked done last year. They appeared screwed at LT til Mailata came out of nowhere to not only beat Dillard but perform at a pro bowl level. Side note: I ended up seated next to Darius Slay's bday party on New Years Eve and Mailata is one of the most massive human beings I've ever seen. Driscoll also performed better than expected and Lane Johnson was back to normal after he took the time to address his mental health (good for him on that note too).

God I hate those fucks...


The Eagles can coach up OL, that’s for sure. Meanwhile, no one on the Giants improved (outside of Thomas and Gates, I suppose).

You can’t tell me none of the guys they brought in couldn’t be coached up by the right coach. Giants just didn’t have it.
After reading that why would the Giants draft less than 5 oline  
Jack Stroud : 1/12/2022 11:01 pm : link
this draft?
David Diehl started at LT for us both playoff runs. Shaun O'Hara  
Reese's Pieces : 1/13/2022 2:12 am : link
They weren't great athletes or great players, but they had a lot of heart, stayed on the field, and learned to play together as a unit.

And they had running backs and tight ends who could block a little.
Over the last 2 years the Giants had 31st ranked OL  
giantstock : 1/13/2022 4:48 am : link
For each season according to PFF.
Yet we have some posters on here suggesting the OL wasn't that bad.

Then you have some posters who don't understand stats and look at them in a vacuum and then blast PFF as if they are some type of expert.

Then you have some posters that don't understand the difference between a complete set of 11 players on offense vs just a couple. For example two straight years of pathetic OL play and pathetic receivers (either they suck or are hurt a lot) plus shitty Tight Ends plus primarily playing with backup RB's plus a subpar QB will not equate to the Bengals or Chargers by comparing their OLINes to the Giants only.

And then you have others that think the NFL is only a 1 player sport and mostly only say it's all on the QB.

To the more reasonable fans this ranking here is just more evidence that the giants need to push heavy for an OLINE in the draft. And drafting in round 5-7 is NOT pushing for help. It's "praying." Let's stop the praying.

My guys(Wirfs and Slater) near the top at LT and RT grades  
Rick in Dallas : 1/13/2022 5:15 am : link
We would have been set for the next 10 years with pro bowl bookend OT's. What a joke that the Giants couldn't evaluate OL correctly the last several drafts.DG sucked at drafting hog mollies.
Going forward I still think you need to draft several OL in the first 3 rounds.Don't sleep on the center position either as I just hope Gates will be able to recover enough to walk without a noticeable limp the rest of his life.
I just hope Neal falls to us at number 5 and we trade down to the mid teens pick up draft choices and draft Linderbaum. Forget his size this kid can play the center position at a high level in the NFL.
RE: I just don't buy these rankings at all.  
nochance : 1/13/2022 6:58 am : link
In comment 15550130 BigBlueNH said:
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There is no way that another team's OL performed worse than ours over the course of the entire year. It was the worst performance I have seen in 50+ years.


Don't forget Andrew Thomas was out injured for a good amount of time
RE: Up from #31 last year, so progress!  
bluewave : 1/13/2022 7:28 am : link
In comment 15550064 Jimmy Googs said:
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Should be in good shape by the year 2045...


I don't care what the numbers are from PFF. The OL seemed worse this year than last.
There were a lot of Centers  
gersh : 1/13/2022 7:37 am : link
With poor grades.
I’m assuming just not easy to block after hiking the ball?
Maybe the value of a top Center is substantial?
RE: The Eagles OL was a shocker.  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/13/2022 8:34 am : link
In comment 15550077 j_rud said:
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Kelce looked done last year. They appeared screwed at LT til Mailata came out of nowhere to not only beat Dillard but perform at a pro bowl level. Side note: I ended up seated next to Darius Slay's bday party on New Years Eve and Mailata is one of the most massive human beings I've ever seen. Driscoll also performed better than expected and Lane Johnson was back to normal after he took the time to address his mental health (good for him on that note too).

God I hate those fucks...


Eagles have been a good performing franchise for two decades now and a big part of it is there ability to identify OL talent with really good coaching. The left tackle I think is a UDFA. Kelce was a 6th rounder. So a mix of high and very low draft picks but they commit to it every year. Kelly left the Eagles in good shape getting Kelce, Johnson and getting the OL coach from Saban's staff.
RE: I just don't buy these rankings at all.  
section125 : 1/13/2022 8:41 am : link
In comment 15550130 BigBlueNH said:
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There is no way that another team's OL performed worse than ours over the course of the entire year. It was the worst performance I have seen in 50+ years.


Did you watch any Raiders games...
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