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The Obsession With Chris Mara

clatterbuck : 1/12/2022 7:38 pm
is both absurd and really tiresome. Does someone have any information on what decisions he's made, what player(s) he demanded be signed or drafted? If he has pressured scouts to upgrade or downgrade a player evaluation? We get it, a lot of fans don't like the fact he has a job in the organization. It's not ideal and it may be a distraction. But the constant, carping about what he does or doesn't do is silly, unsubstantiated bushwa. Is Chris Mara responsible for the sorry state of the franchise? Did he make the decision to sign Glenn instead of McCoy? Did he destroy the O-line? If so, let's see the receipts. If, not please give it a rest.
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RE: I think this team lost its way  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2022 9:32 am : link
In comment 15550773 Debaser said:
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when Mara decided Victor Cruz was going to be the guy and jettisoned some great players like Bradshaw and Jacobs to do it.And that does in fact coincide with his promotion in 2011.He also said Webb was the best QB in his draft class. Which I guess could be forgiven. I do not believe for a minute he didn't have a say in hiring dipsh*t Mcaddoo who was a disaster and brought this franchies really low and it never recovered. It was not that Mcadoo was a bad coach either (he was) it is just how obtuse pairing him with a still fairly young Eli with a guy who was west coast offense short opassing coach with someone like Eli who wants to throw deep like every play if he could. Shurmur was equally bad so was judge. And so was drafting Danny "Dimes" and barkley.

You mean he did not have a say in these things? At this point though it looks like he has to have learned something by now and looks to be doing the right things; interviewing GMs and firing Judge. When they trade Jones and / or barkley then I know they are for real.


Of course he did.

There was literally zero difference between the end of Reece's tenure and DG's tenure as GM when it comes to evaluating college and professional talent. Nor was there any difference between the end of McAdoo, Shurmer and Judge tenures as HC.

You tell me what the common denominator is since it's not the GM and/or coaches.
RE: what are you talking about?  
Debaser : 1/13/2022 9:54 am : link
In comment 15550787 UConn4523 said:
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Jacobs was finished as a player in 2011 - hurt and largely ineffective in 2011. Bradshaw was good through 2012 (where he was a Giant) and his health took a nosedive, we made the right decision there too.


Bradshaw played for the Colts for 3 seasons and his production didn't fall off until his last year. And Jacobs was always just jacobs. The 2 of them together is what made them very effective. It didn't show up on a stat sheet as they were ranked like 30th in the NFL rushing, but they brought an attitude to this team that really helped this team win big games.
You are delusional  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2022 10:13 am : link
Jacobs was finished in 2011. And Bradshaw had 160 carries with he colts in 3 seasons, he was done too.
RE: You are delusional  
Debaser : 1/13/2022 10:18 am : link
In comment 15550868 UConn4523 said:
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Jacobs was finished in 2011. And Bradshaw had 160 carries with he colts in 3 seasons, he was done too.


OK Whatever. Maybe not the best examples but, I think the point is made that they either replaced players or needed to replace players and Mara was most certainly involved in this process that really laid this team low back then. His subsequent coaching hires and drafts were not helpful.
you are trying to fit everything in a timeline and match it to Mara  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2022 10:32 am : link
and you cherrypicked an example that actually isn't what you are claiming it is. And I didn't even touch Cruz who actually was exactly what you are trying to say Jacobs/Bradshaw was - a lightening rod that absolutely rocked the stadium. Him getting an extension instead of Bradshaw and Jacbos was 100% the correct move only it had an unfortunate ending out of anyone's control or foresight. It's like trying to say Hakeem Nicks was a wasted pick because he got injured, it doesn't compute.
Why defend him?  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/13/2022 10:40 am : link
If he is good at his job, it sure didnt reflect on the field.
Eric has said in the past that be doesn't think Chris Mara is a problem and even he realizes it would just be easier to take the title away.
Correlation isn't causation but the timeline is when Mara took over as Sr VP, our team entered the Dark Ages
RE: Why defend him?  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2022 10:45 am : link
In comment 15550945 Thunderstruck27 said:
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If he is good at his job, it sure didnt reflect on the field.
Eric has said in the past that be doesn't think Chris Mara is a problem and even he realizes it would just be easier to take the title away.
Correlation isn't causation but the timeline is when Mara took over as Sr VP, our team entered the Dark Ages


I actually don't think i'm defending Chris Mara. I'm simply wondering how everyone is so sure he's the mastermind behind all of our losing. I typically try not to make assumptions in life and if I do, I try not to vehemently state them and disallow all opposing views.

The Giants just got rid of the 2 biggest culprits - the guy picking the talent and the guy coaching it. That likely took care of the majority of the problem. The rest we have no idea and area also not even allowing for the possibility of learning from mistake, like John Mara just displayed that he's doing.
RE: RE: Why defend him?  
Thunderstruck27 : 1/13/2022 10:48 am : link
In comment 15550962 UConn4523 said:
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If he is good at his job, it sure didnt reflect on the field.
Eric has said in the past that be doesn't think Chris Mara is a problem and even he realizes it would just be easier to take the title away.
Correlation isn't causation but the timeline is when Mara took over as Sr VP, our team entered the Dark Ages



I actually don't think i'm defending Chris Mara. I'm simply wondering how everyone is so sure he's the mastermind behind all of our losing. I typically try not to make assumptions in life and if I do, I try not to vehemently state them and disallow all opposing views.

The Giants just got rid of the 2 biggest culprits - the guy picking the talent and the guy coaching it. That likely took care of the majority of the problem. The rest we have no idea and area also not even allowing for the possibility of learning from mistake, like John Mara just displayed that he's doing.


Fair enough. I'll admit none of us KNOW what he does...I'd just rather have someone other than an "owner" doing it. Other teams have guys in the same position and have won Super Bowls. Let's try that out.
RE: you are trying to fit everything in a timeline and match it to Mara  
Debaser : 1/13/2022 10:48 am : link
In comment 15550929 UConn4523 said:
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and you cherrypicked an example that actually isn't what you are claiming it is. And I didn't even touch Cruz who actually was exactly what you are trying to say Jacobs/Bradshaw was - a lightening rod that absolutely rocked the stadium. Him getting an extension instead of Bradshaw and Jacbos was 100% the correct move only it had an unfortunate ending out of anyone's control or foresight. It's like trying to say Hakeem Nicks was a wasted pick because he got injured, it doesn't compute.


I admitted it was not the best example. You are choosing to go into detail about it and failing to see the forest for the trees. The forest is roster moves made by Mara in his new job that laid this team low. Not whether or not he got the Vic Cruz signing right. (He didn't anyway). I didn't like it and still feel there has not been as good running in 10 years wo the Bradshaw and Jacobs.
i'm responding to the 3 examples you gave  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2022 10:55 am : link
don't get mad at me for that, you brought it up.
RE: i'm responding to the 3 examples you gave  
Debaser : 1/13/2022 11:28 am : link
In comment 15550999 UConn4523 said:
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don't get mad at me for that, you brought it up.


Meanwhile Bradshaw got hurt his first year with the Colts. The same argument you are giving as to why it was smart to move on from Bradhsaw is the one you are using to defend the Cruz extension.

Cruz was an undrafted guy that Eli made a star. His last year was Odells first. No one knows what Bradshaw could have been and no one knew he would have gotten hurt. You could have just drafted another big bruiser back and kept that thunder and lightning combo.
Chris Mara  
Khs1982 : 1/13/2022 10:18 pm : link
Look it doesn't matter what role he played but he is the senior VP of player evaluation. How would you grade player evaluation based on the success of the team? He has to be part of the problem and needs to go. Who cares who is treasurer they don't create this roster. But whoever is involved with the horrible roster needs to go. Give him a job like overseeing nonfootball employees, branding, getting sponsorships who cares but just change the entire player evaluation group. He might be a great guy but if you had a business that had been run like this one you would fire every one in the failing divisions. I don't think anyone is obsessed with him they are obsessed with the failure of this once proud franchise.
RE: RE: i'm responding to the 3 examples you gave  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2022 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15551116 Debaser said:
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don't get mad at me for that, you brought it up.



Meanwhile Bradshaw got hurt his first year with the Colts. The same argument you are giving as to why it was smart to move on from Bradhsaw is the one you are using to defend the Cruz extension.

Cruz was an undrafted guy that Eli made a star. His last year was Odells first. No one knows what Bradshaw could have been and no one knew he would have gotten hurt. You could have just drafted another big bruiser back and kept that thunder and lightning combo.


Cruz was a WR with no real real injury history. Bradshaw had constant foot and ankle issues and was a RB. Do I need to go on?

We already knew Bradshaw was injury prone, did you follow the team and his injuries?
All this discussion about Chris Mara and guessing as to  
chick310 : 1/14/2022 8:54 am : link
his involvement and blame in the situation has been entertaining to say the least. Not sure I even remember reading a thread about Chris Mara before this New Year started so he really is causing some recent drama.

However, I get that fans want to clean up whatever ails the Giants from a player personnel perspective. John Mara should as well and make this a very easy decision and have his brother back away here from his role/responsibilities in his SVP capacity.

Chris Mara can still interact with a new GM on his opinions with college players but it can be done in a much more subtle manner than having a formal title and place within the department. The media and fans probably wouldn't like that either but it would kill the story and fans would never know otherwise.
Well  
darktimes : 1/14/2022 8:58 am : link
People complaining about Chris Mara are probably the same people that buy in to conspiracy theories. If Chris Mara actually forced things on this team in some fashion, then it would have come out.

Just like we get stories with John Mara's meddling with things like Eli, Garret or other coaches/players.

Just say'in.
Chris Mara is either  
uther99 : 1/14/2022 12:58 pm : link
A- doing nothing of real impact, which is a waste of having a SVP of PP role in the organization; OR

B- he sucks at his job.

RE: Chris Mara is either  
Jerry in_DC : 1/14/2022 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15553025 uther99 said:
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A- doing nothing of real impact, which is a waste of having a SVP of PP role in the organization; OR

B- he sucks at his job.


Yes. It's so simple and obviously true. Not sure why people can't understand this.
RE: RE: Chris Mara is either  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2022 1:06 pm : link
In comment 15553032 Jerry in_DC said:
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In comment 15553025 uther99 said:


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A- doing nothing of real impact, which is a waste of having a SVP of PP role in the organization; OR

B- he sucks at his job.




Yes. It's so simple and obviously true. Not sure why people can't understand this.


I love how there isn’t an option C, personally. And that’s a growing theme on this thread and many others, that things are 100% black or white.
RE: Defending nepotism, I've seen it all.  
Thegratefulhead : 1/14/2022 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15550559 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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This franchise is possibly at the lowest point in a CENTURY mostly due to a terrible roster and there are fans defending john Mara for saying the two top guys who evaluate pro and college players for us are the best he can get and just happen to be family.

I'm sorry but if you buy this you're pathetic. If you think this is a non story you're fooling yourself.
Agree
Personally  
Thegratefulhead : 1/14/2022 1:59 pm : link
I think Judge got fired because of all the Chris Mara talk. Wag the dog.
RE: Read the article  
WideRight : 1/14/2022 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15550200 David_Upstate said:
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Maybe this.... This explains it perfectly - ( New Window )


It does, except for one thing: the franchise isn't struggling. It's making more money than the Mara's ever dreamed of. Since his pocketbook is doing fine John Mara will tolerate his brother. It's easier just to have these sob fests with the media every few years.

The real shame is that Chris Mara watches the guys he worked closely with - Gettlemen and Jusgde - get fired, and he doesn't recognize that he too should be sent packing. Extremely hypocritical of him, and that alone proves he lacks appropriate self-awareness to be successful at anything.

Again, Chris Mara doesn't have to be successful in W/L because the family evaluates the franchise in $$
riddle me this  
Dave : 1/14/2022 4:20 pm : link
when the owners brother is in the room, do you think anyone is going to contradict whatever he says?

so for jm to say cm has no authority is absurd
furthermore  
Dave : 1/14/2022 4:21 pm : link
if cm is such a great talent evaluator why is this roster so weak?
Here's the problem  
Joey in VA : 1/14/2022 4:25 pm : link
When Jerry Reese was GM he had DG as the Pro Personnel guy, a role he did very well in pre-2011. Under Accorsi, Jerry Reese who was a very talented evaluator, was the head of college scouting. Now you'll bring in a GM with a supposedly non influential but respected mind in Chris Mara. Chris Pettit, our current head of college scouting has lorded over our last 4 drafts and we know how that's going.

Look at the Titans and 49ers execs we are looking at. They are in the role Chris Mara has and Chris Pettit has, all while under highly successful GMs. We need more than one new voice in there and keeping Chris in that role ad infinitum is a problem. We currently have zero well respected front office types and we are looking at some young personnel guys who are cogs in well run machines. We need more of those, which is why Chris should surrender his title and just keep doing what he's doing.
RE: riddle me this  
Jimmy Googs : 1/14/2022 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15553334 Dave said:
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when the owners brother is in the room, do you think anyone is going to contradict whatever he says?

so for jm to say cm has no authority is absurd


Are you kidding...you don't think they have gone against Chris' recommendations?

You make it seem like they don't even create a board with tiers. They just print off whatever college players Chris has loaded into the database and fly off to the draft.

absurd is the right sentiment...
RE: furthermore  
Jimmy Googs : 1/14/2022 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15553336 Dave said:
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if cm is such a great talent evaluator why is this roster so weak?


Who said he is great?

The roster is weak because they have had a weak GM that has a weak roster building plan, weak player evaluation process, and probably has weak people in the front office that report to him.
Someone explain to me why Chris Mara  
arniefez : 1/14/2022 4:53 pm : link
shouldn't have the title Co-Owner? Would he has less input on player personnel? Would any of his day to day responsibilities change? Wouldn't it be a much better perception in every way? Of course owners should have a say in who their team picks, of course an owner should have a sign off on any large long term contract or any contract if that's what they want. Wouldn't it go a long way to changing the perception of why the Giants are a mess and that they are stuck in the 20th century if the Mara's were owners not the SRVP of player personnel. That's a position on almost every NFL team that's 2nd in command to the GM in the football operation.

I'll ask another way. Chris Mara has been SRVP of player personnel since 2011. That will be 3 GMs and 6 HC's in about a month. What other SRVP of player personnel would survive that kind of turnover?
The kind who's connected to ownership.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/14/2022 4:56 pm : link
Someone said it earlier but it's an accepted thing in the NFL.
RE: Here's the problem  
Platos : 1/14/2022 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15553344 Joey in VA said:
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When Jerry Reese was GM he had DG as the Pro Personnel guy, a role he did very well in pre-2011. Under Accorsi, Jerry Reese who was a very talented evaluator, was the head of college scouting. Now you'll bring in a GM with a supposedly non influential but respected mind in Chris Mara. Chris Pettit, our current head of college scouting has lorded over our last 4 drafts and we know how that's going.

Look at the Titans and 49ers execs we are looking at. They are in the role Chris Mara has and Chris Pettit has, all while under highly successful GMs. We need more than one new voice in there and keeping Chris in that role ad infinitum is a problem. We currently have zero well respected front office types and we are looking at some young personnel guys who are cogs in well run machines. We need more of those, which is why Chris should surrender his title and just keep doing what he's doing.


its as simple as that.

even the position doesn't make sense here. We essentially have 3 director or player personnel guys.

just give Chris some goofy title and move him out of the department. the nephew McConnell might have better experience than Chris! he at least worked for another program and played the game.

Koncz was a DG hire he brought from Carolina.

its ridiculous, why need 3 guys for 1 position and we're still suck at drafting and signing the right free agents.
RE: Someone explain to me why Chris Mara  
Jimmy Googs : 1/14/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15553373 arniefez said:
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I'll ask another way. Chris Mara has been SRVP of player personnel since 2011. That will be 3 GMs and 6 HC's in about a month. What other SRVP of player personnel would survive that kind of turnover?


maybe the kind that nobody relies upon for anything, other than his older brother on occasion...
RE: RE: furthermore  
Dave : 1/14/2022 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15553354 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15553336 Dave said:


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if cm is such a great talent evaluator why is this roster so weak?

jm said so


Who said he is great?

The roster is weak because they have had a weak GM that has a weak roster building plan, weak player evaluation process, and probably has weak people in the front office that report to him.
RE: RE: riddle me this  
Dave : 1/14/2022 6:16 pm : link
In comment 15553345 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15553334 Dave said:


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when the owners brother is in the room, do you think anyone is going to contradict whatever he says?

that is not what i said JG, but if you think there is going to be robust discussion contradicting the owners brother I think you are either naive or have never been in those types of meetings

so for jm to say cm has no authority is absurd



Are you kidding...you don't think they have gone against Chris' recommendations?

You make it seem like they don't even create a board with tiers. They just print off whatever college players Chris has loaded into the database and fly off to the draft.

absurd is the right sentiment...
RE: Defending nepotism, I've seen it all.  
GMen72 : 1/14/2022 6:16 pm : link
In comment 15550559 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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This franchise is possibly at the lowest point in a CENTURY mostly due to a terrible roster and there are fans defending john Mara for saying the two top guys who evaluate pro and college players for us are the best he can get and just happen to be family.

I'm sorry but if you buy this you're pathetic. If you think this is a non story you're fooling yourself.


X2
Not for nothing, but I have attended many mngt and board meetings  
Jimmy Googs : 1/14/2022 6:31 pm : link
of family run businesses where family members also work in various high level positions. Some where the family members are strong and some where there are clear-cut morons. I advise them as objectively as possible nonetheless. So curb the naive pot shots please.

With that said, you are just making things up that a robust conversation is impossible to have with the Giants and their family members. And directly contradicting what John Mara even publicly said as to who the decision makers are and how differences, if any, are resolved.

I can respond to this nonsense all day long. I have said numerous times my preference would be to remove Chris from that position but not enough to care if they don't.

And until you bring something compelling to a post that Chris matters significantly and matters in a negative way, I will take the high road and continue to suggest that replacing the GM with a competent professional is what really matters here...
RE: RE: RE: i'm responding to the 3 examples you gave  
Debaser : 1/14/2022 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15552283 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15550999 UConn4523 said:


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don't get mad at me for that, you brought it up.



Meanwhile Bradshaw got hurt his first year with the Colts. The same argument you are giving as to why it was smart to move on from Bradhsaw is the one you are using to defend the Cruz extension.

Cruz was an undrafted guy that Eli made a star. His last year was Odells first. No one knows what Bradshaw could have been and no one knew he would have gotten hurt. You could have just drafted another big bruiser back and kept that thunder and lightning combo.



Cruz was a WR with no real real injury history. Bradshaw had constant foot and ankle issues and was a RB. Do I need to go on?

We already knew Bradshaw was injury prone, did you follow the team and his injuries?


I don't remember Bradshaw injuries but I don't think Cruz was like this guy who was on the field all the time either.

Ahmad Bradshaw in his highest earning year was 3 mil . Cruz had a 40 million dollar 5 year deal and was pretty much not the same player after signing it. Do you always have to such a smug , condescending douche .
I have largely refrained from the Chris Mara threads  
.McL. : 1/14/2022 7:22 pm : link
But here is my take.

I believe John when he says that Chris/Tim have no direct power/authority to make personnel decisions. I added a key word to that sentence "direct".

Chris and Tim have plenty of indirect influence. They write evaluations that are used as inputs to the draft board. People go to them for "advice" and "opinions" about players. They participate in the draft. Chris participate in interviews. These are things that they do that have been stated outright. I do not believe they are shadow GMs. I do not believe that they pound the table for "their" guy. There is a distinction here, their influence is more subtle, indirect, and potentially insidious than that.

Now put yourself in the position of being a scout and you know Chris and Tim feel a certain way about a player. Maybe you are not so sure, but hey, on paper these guys are your boss, AND they are owners. Will you consider kissing a little ass and agreeing with them when your opinion is on the margin?

How about being the GM. And you know that Chris and Tim filed a bunch of reports about some players. And they have been talking them up. Maybe your opinion is on the margin, or maybe you didn't have time to do a thorough evaluation of the player. And of course Chris and Tim are owners so, yeah they kinda work for you, but they are also kinda your boss. I mean they were in the interview room... It's a good bet they are in the room when the firings are being discussed. So do you decide to kiss a little ass and move the benefit of the doubt towards these guys who may decide your fate.

In both cases, if you are the contrarian, and are wrong, you are going to have a load of dog shit on your shoe.

This kind of influence is indirect and not very obvious. John speaks the truth, but be careful. Truths can deceive. When the GM start adjusting their opinions to make meet the opinions of those who decide his fate, where does it stop. Once on that slippery slope, how far is the slide. Ultimately there is no way to really measure how much influence really exists. Maybe its a little, maybe its a ton. That is what makes this dangerous, and insidious. The fact that John says that they are "well respected" and go to individuals should send up huge red flags that the situation is at the very least leaning into dangerous territory.

All that said. I have stayed out of this discussion because I have no idea what is really going on in people's minds in that building. I don't think there really is a way of ever figuring that out in this situation. I don't think John knows, nor do Chris and Tim. Nobody can accurately measure it.

The mere fact that it keeps coming up as an issue suggests that Eric is correct. Just remove the titles.
Remove the title from Chris Mara and he can still do everything  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 8:48 am : link
that you mentioned above in the same indirect manner as an owner. So what does that really achieve?

Or are you suggesting remove him altogether from the building in every capacity?
RE: Remove the title from Chris Mara and he can still do everything  
.McL. : 1/15/2022 11:54 am : link
In comment 15553736 Jimmy Googs said:
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that you mentioned above in the same indirect manner as an owner. So what does that really achieve?

Or are you suggesting remove him altogether from the building in every capacity?

Except titles have a different psychological effect on people. Innately we all know this.
RE: RE: Remove the title from Chris Mara and he can still do everything  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15553905 .McL. said:
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In comment 15553736 Jimmy Googs said:


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that you mentioned above in the same indirect manner as an owner. So what does that really achieve?

Or are you suggesting remove him altogether from the building in every capacity?


Except titles have a different psychological effect on people. Innately we all know this.


McL - with all due respect, the only ones that may be having any psychological effect with Chris' title are the fans/media.

Everybody in Jints Central knows he is an owner whether he has no title, is SVP of Player Personnel or the Audio/Visual Manager...
Googs  
.McL. : 1/15/2022 2:24 pm : link
Then, if his title is so meaningless, remove it...
Why is there resistance in the building to removing the titles.

Titles mean something.
Chris Mara  
Pete in MD : 1/15/2022 2:24 pm : link
has a title and collects a paycheck but does very little because his family owns the team. He’s not the issue. Do you think a real front office person can leave during the draft to go watch his horse race? I don’t think he has a ton of real influence.
Would people be OK if our offensive coordinator  
Jerry in_DC : 1/15/2022 2:36 pm : link
didn't do anything?

"Oh he just watches some film and suggests a few plays to the coach."

Sr VP of Player Personnel is a real job. People who have that job are supposed to add value to the organization. They have responsibilities- the hire staff, they coordinate scouting, they lay out the processes for evaluation.

If the best case scenario is that Mara doesn't do that much...that's still terrible. If he doesn't do it, then who does all the things that he's supposed to do??
..  
Jerry in_DC : 1/15/2022 2:49 pm : link
"Hi, we're with the SEC and we have some questions about your aduit. We need to talk to the CFO."

"Well...the CFO is part of the family, so he doesn't really do anything. He just looks at some numbers and makes suggestions. Really well respected though. "

"Ah..ceremonial title? Ok let's talk to his deputy, the one who's really in charge."

"Well...he's actually part of the family too. He also doesn't really do anything. He's really really well respected though"

"OK, we need to talk to someone from finance. Who is in charge?"

"Well...we kind of just do things together. Like someone has an idea and then we talk about it some. There no real way to say that someone is "in charge" so to speak... Did I mention that a lot of our team is really well respected?"
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Slowasski : 1/15/2022 2:51 pm : link
I don't see any obsession with Chris Mara anywhere on this thread. The thread has barely 130 replies.
RE: Googs  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15554098 .McL. said:
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Then, if his title is so meaningless, remove it...
Why is there resistance in the building to removing the titles.

Titles mean something.


My guess is it means something to Chris...
RE: Would people be OK if our offensive coordinator  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15554114 Jerry in_DC said:
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didn't do anything?

"Oh he just watches some film and suggests a few plays to the coach."

Sr VP of Player Personnel is a real job. People who have that job are supposed to add value to the organization. They have responsibilities- the hire staff, they coordinate scouting, they lay out the processes for evaluation.

If the best case scenario is that Mara doesn't do that much...that's still terrible. If he doesn't do it, then who does all the things that he's supposed to do??


I think you are missing the point. Those responsibilities in the Giants system are covered by the GM's office...
RE: .  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15554143 Slowasski said:
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I don't see any obsession with Chris Mara anywhere on this thread. The thread has barely 130 replies.


I am bit obsessed. Chris is all I think about these days...
RE: RE: Would people be OK if our offensive coordinator  
Jerry in_DC : 1/15/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15554146 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15554114 Jerry in_DC said:


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didn't do anything?

"Oh he just watches some film and suggests a few plays to the coach."

Sr VP of Player Personnel is a real job. People who have that job are supposed to add value to the organization. They have responsibilities- the hire staff, they coordinate scouting, they lay out the processes for evaluation.

If the best case scenario is that Mara doesn't do that much...that's still terrible. If he doesn't do it, then who does all the things that he's supposed to do??



I think you are missing the point. Those responsibilities in the Giants system are covered by the GM's office...


Sure. Because in "the Giants system" a key executive role is filled by an empty suit. Wouldn't it be better to use "every other team's system" and fil an important executive role with a competent executive?
The Mara’s and Tisch’s own this team  
Giants73 : 1/15/2022 4:35 pm : link
They want to employ their family it is a benefit of ownership. Sure most of us would want our family to take over or businesses when we retire.
RE: RE: RE: Would people be OK if our offensive coordinator  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 4:56 pm : link
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didn't do anything?

"Oh he just watches some film and suggests a few plays to the coach."

Sr VP of Player Personnel is a real job. People who have that job are supposed to add value to the organization. They have responsibilities- the hire staff, they coordinate scouting, they lay out the processes for evaluation.

If the best case scenario is that Mara doesn't do that much...that's still terrible. If he doesn't do it, then who does all the things that he's supposed to do??



I think you are missing the point. Those responsibilities in the Giants system are covered by the GM's office...



Sure. Because in "the Giants system" a key executive role is filled by an empty suit. Wouldn't it be better to use "every other team's system" and fil an important executive role with a competent executive?


Huh? If those job responsibilities are someone else’s in the NYG system what does it matter?

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