is both absurd and really tiresome. Does someone have any information on what decisions he's made, what player(s) he demanded be signed or drafted? If he has pressured scouts to upgrade or downgrade a player evaluation? We get it, a lot of fans don't like the fact he has a job in the organization. It's not ideal and it may be a distraction. But the constant, carping about what he does or doesn't do is silly, unsubstantiated bushwa. Is Chris Mara responsible for the sorry state of the franchise? Did he make the decision to sign Glenn instead of McCoy? Did he destroy the O-line? If so, let's see the receipts. If, not please give it a rest.
He is also a co owner.
Resign his position as Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. Or remove him from that post.
If you don't want fans bitching about his role in team personnel decisions, then maybe it's not a great idea to give him a title that suggests he has immense influence.
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on day to day operations, but he's meeting with the new GM, what are fans supposed to say?
He is also a co owner.
So are about 50 other Maras.
Yes based on today...
* he writes a few scouting reports on some college players and loads it into the player database they maintain;
* he gets to fly to the draft and sit in the war room;
* he is in-charge of logging onto the Zoom call for the GM candidate interviews
Did I miss anything?
Nope. The Venn Diagram of people who are outraged that Chris Mara is taking notes in these GM interviews, people who would be outraged if Mara/Tisch were the only ones in the room, and people who would be outraged if they promoted from within, and people who would be outraged if they hired a consultant to feed them candidates, is a perfect circle.
When the new GM and HC are hired, I hope Chris Mara introduces them both at the introductory press with John Mara not even in the building. So that the resulting collective stroke in the fanbase might cause the aggregate sanity quotient to tick back up a few points.
Having Mara family members have "beyond ownership roles" is problematic. Is it so hard to see that?
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one easy step to make this all go away. One step.
Nope. The Venn Diagram of people who are outraged that Chris Mara is taking notes in these GM interviews, people who would be outraged if Mara/Tisch were the only ones in the room, and people who would be outraged if they promoted from within, and people who would be outraged if they hired a consultant to feed them candidates, is a perfect circle.
When the new GM and HC are hired, I hope Chris Mara introduces them both at the introductory press with John Mara not even in the building. So that the resulting collective stroke in the fanbase might cause the aggregate sanity quotient to tick back up a few points.
Yeah. Ok. Keep wearing this rose colored glasses.
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...the step?
Resign his position as Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. Or remove him from that post.
If you don't want fans bitching about his role in team personnel decisions, then maybe it's not a great idea to give him a title that suggests he has immense influence.
Then maybe fans should hire the coaches and run the draft, too.
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...the step?
Resign his position as Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. Or remove him from that post.
If you don't want fans bitching about his role in team personnel decisions, then maybe it's not a great idea to give him a title that suggests he has immense influence.
Then maybe fans should hire the coaches and run the draft, too.
Or here’s a thought, maybe hire people who aren’t inept family members? But no, no. That’s ridiculous.
Having Mara family members have "beyond ownership roles" is problematic. Is it so hard to see that?
I honestly believe most of these people vociferously defending Chris Mara are either members of the Giants organization or recipients of nepotism in their offline life and feel personally attacked.
By that reasoning Tisch should not have a title either. He never does anything except agree with John on coaches and GMs, then goes and bangs his GF.
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I have seen it run the gamut.
Yes based on today...
* he writes a few scouting reports on some college players and loads it into the player database they maintain;
* he gets to fly to the draft and sit in the war room;
* he is in-charge of logging onto the Zoom call for the GM candidate interviews
Did I miss anything?
Wow. I don't really keep a book on every poster here as some do, but color me surprised nonetheless that you would just take anything that John Mara says at face value. I've always seen you as more of a skeptic. Maybe you haven't come down from the UGA high :)
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for the apparent deep seated organizational problems the Giants have had the last ten years. There have been some very questionable draft and free agency decisions since Chris Mara has had the Senior VP of Player Personnel role. You have to believe he has at least some "thumb on the scale" influence; how much we'll never know. He is one constant over 4 Head Coaches and 2 General Managers. Is he 100% the problem? No. Is he likely at least a small issue and potentially a large issue? Yes.
Having Mara family members have "beyond ownership roles" is problematic. Is it so hard to see that?
I honestly believe most of these people vociferously defending Chris Mara are either members of the Giants organization or recipients of nepotism in their offline life and feel personally attacked.
WTF?
He has a role in player evaluation and his is an ownership voice so it is going to be heavily influential.
And there is no evidence that he's good about it.
More likely than not, he is a significant part of the problem, and as fans we all just want our team to be good.
He seems to be exactly what needs to be spoken about.
This explains it perfectly - ( New Window )
Having Mara family members have "beyond ownership roles" is problematic. Is it so hard to see that?
So I guess Gettleman is off the hook. Btw, was Chris Mara dialed into Judge's headset demanding the QB sneak play calls as well?
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When would you say this started going downhill? Now look up when he was promoted to his current position. As Eric said, maybe he is to blame or maybe he isn't but he shouldn't be in his position.
By that reasoning Tisch should not have a title either. He never does anything except agree with John on coaches and GMs, then goes and bangs his GF.
Ridiculous comparison. Tisch actually owns a stake in the team. Chris Mara does not, other than the silver fucking spoon he has ‘earned’ by the genetic lottery. You see any Tisch’s working in the front office? Nope.
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When would you say this started going downhill? Now look up when he was promoted to his current position. As Eric said, maybe he is to blame or maybe he isn't but he shouldn't be in his position.
By that reasoning Tisch should not have a title either. He never does anything except agree with John on coaches and GMs, then goes and bangs his GF.
Dude, what are you talking about?
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for the apparent deep seated organizational problems the Giants have had the last ten years. There have been some very questionable draft and free agency decisions since Chris Mara has had the Senior VP of Player Personnel role. You have to believe he has at least some "thumb on the scale" influence; how much we'll never know. He is one constant over 4 Head Coaches and 2 General Managers. Is he 100% the problem? No. Is he likely at least a small issue and potentially a large issue? Yes.
Having Mara family members have "beyond ownership roles" is problematic. Is it so hard to see that?
So I guess Gettleman is off the hook. Btw, was Chris Mara dialed into Judge's headset demanding the QB sneak play calls as well?
Clueless
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...the step?
Resign his position as Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. Or remove him from that post.
If you don't want fans bitching about his role in team personnel decisions, then maybe it's not a great idea to give him a title that suggests he has immense influence.
If it was my business I If it was my business...
...some things I would want to know what fans had to say and some things I would not.
Based on the amount of information the fans have about Chris They really looks silly complaining as much as they are.
Now that assumes that "they" is more than just BBI.
Or a small fraction of BBI.
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for the apparent deep seated organizational problems the Giants have had the last ten years. There have been some very questionable draft and free agency decisions since Chris Mara has had the Senior VP of Player Personnel role. You have to believe he has at least some "thumb on the scale" influence; how much we'll never know. He is one constant over 4 Head Coaches and 2 General Managers. Is he 100% the problem? No. Is he likely at least a small issue and potentially a large issue? Yes.
Having Mara family members have "beyond ownership roles" is problematic. Is it so hard to see that?
I honestly believe most of these people vociferously defending Chris Mara are either members of the Giants organization or recipients of nepotism in their offline life and feel personally attacked.
Oh wow, you got me man. I'm an under-assistant west coast promotion man for Jints Central and I got the job from my third cousin's brother-in-law... What a smug and frankly stupid comment.
you know why Jerry Reese got the nod for GM here? because he was director of player personnel from 04-07.
you know why DG got the Panthers job? because he was director of pro personnel from 99-12. both those men contributed to winning championships here. Chris Mara has not.
these are positions of meaning. these are the positions we're interviewing right now for our own GM job.
Chris was a "scout" in the 80s. then ran a scouting company i'm sure nfl teams hired as a favor to Wellington. dicked around in the AFL before coming back to ny as "Vice President of Player Evaluation" whatever the FUCK that means. we've been drafting like shit since he's been promoted. other teams don't have 3 player personnel guys like us and are better. wake up.
he has NO risk of being fired in a key position on the team.
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for the apparent deep seated organizational problems the Giants have had the last ten years. There have been some very questionable draft and free agency decisions since Chris Mara has had the Senior VP of Player Personnel role. You have to believe he has at least some "thumb on the scale" influence; how much we'll never know. He is one constant over 4 Head Coaches and 2 General Managers. Is he 100% the problem? No. Is he likely at least a small issue and potentially a large issue? Yes.
Having Mara family members have "beyond ownership roles" is problematic. Is it so hard to see that?
I honestly believe most of these people vociferously defending Chris Mara are either members of the Giants organization or recipients of nepotism in their offline life and feel personally attacked.
Oh wow, you got me man. I'm an under-assistant west coast promotion man for Jints Central and I got the job from my third cousin's brother-in-law... What a smug and frankly stupid comment.
LMFAO. Says the clueless moron who started this thread.
He has a voice, but not enough to royally screw shit up
DG bid against himself for KG, horrid signings like solder
totally ruined the cap in 2 yrs
hog mollies my ass
full blown love for DJ at a senior bowl practice
saquon touched by the hand of god ( he did look awesome in 2018)
JMHO
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When would you say this started going downhill? Now look up when he was promoted to his current position. As Eric said, maybe he is to blame or maybe he isn't but he shouldn't be in his position.
By that reasoning Tisch should not have a title either. He never does anything except agree with John on coaches and GMs, then goes and bangs his GF.
Ridiculous comparison. Tisch actually owns a stake in the team. Chris Mara does not, other than the silver fucking spoon he has ‘earned’ by the genetic lottery. You see any Tisch’s working in the front office? Nope.
Jonathon Tisch is treasurer of the NY Football Giants.
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When would you say this started going downhill? Now look up when he was promoted to his current position. As Eric said, maybe he is to blame or maybe he isn't but he shouldn't be in his position.
By that reasoning Tisch should not have a title either. He never does anything except agree with John on coaches and GMs, then goes and bangs his GF.
Ridiculous comparison. Tisch actually owns a stake in the team. Chris Mara does not, other than the silver fucking spoon he has ‘earned’ by the genetic lottery. You see any Tisch’s working in the front office? Nope.
Jonathon Tisch is treasurer of the NY Football Giants.
And? That’s not even close to the front office operations and you know it. Sad that your thread is being shot down, I know.
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...the step?
Resign his position as Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. Or remove him from that post.
If you don't want fans bitching about his role in team personnel decisions, then maybe it's not a great idea to give him a title that suggests he has immense influence.
Seems like it would make you and some others happy, no one else cares. No one else thinks it’s a big deal. I’ve yet to talk to one person, not single one in the real world who cares what Chris Maras title or involvement is.
This is as “fake news” as it gets.
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...the step?
Resign his position as Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. Or remove him from that post.
If you don't want fans bitching about his role in team personnel decisions, then maybe it's not a great idea to give him a title that suggests he has immense influence.
So if Chris wanted to be the GM but Tisch not agreeing to it maybe John compromised and told Chris you can still be very involved but you have to carry a different title. Just a theory but I am not sure we will ever know for sure. Hopefully they start winning more soon.
Some people are desperate to not have "negativity" on the board yet poke their heads in the threads and initiate the conversations they claim to hate.
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I’ve yet to talk to one person, not single one in the real world who cares what Chris Maras title or involvement is.
This is as “fake news” as it gets.
You are posting on a fan run site dedicated to a team that has gone 22-59 over the past 5 years and 61-100 over the past 10 years and wondering why the fans are obsessed about the ownership and front office structure of that team? Seriously? Maybe the people you meet in the real world don't care b/c they are not die hard fans who punish themselves every Sunday watching this crap team.
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one easy step to make this all go away. One step.
Nope. The Venn Diagram of people who are outraged that Chris Mara is taking notes in these GM interviews, people who would be outraged if Mara/Tisch were the only ones in the room, and people who would be outraged if they promoted from within, and people who would be outraged if they hired a consultant to feed them candidates, is a perfect circle.
When the new GM and HC are hired, I hope Chris Mara introduces them both at the introductory press with John Mara not even in the building. So that the resulting collective stroke in the fanbase might cause the aggregate sanity quotient to tick back up a few points.
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When would you say this started going downhill? Now look up when he was promoted to his current position. As Eric said, maybe he is to blame or maybe he isn't but he shouldn't be in his position.
By that reasoning Tisch should not have a title either. He never does anything except agree with John on coaches and GMs, then goes and bangs his GF.
Ridiculous comparison. Tisch actually owns a stake in the team. Chris Mara does not, other than the silver fucking spoon he has ‘earned’ by the genetic lottery. You see any Tisch’s working in the front office? Nope.
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I’ve yet to talk to one person, not single one in the real world who cares what Chris Maras title or involvement is.
This is as “fake news” as it gets.
You are posting on a fan run site dedicated to a team that has gone 22-59 over the past 5 years and 61-100 over the past 10 years and wondering why the fans are obsessed about the ownership and front office structure of that team? Seriously? Maybe the people you meet in the real world don't care b/c they are not die hard fans who punish themselves every Sunday watching this crap team.
At this point I don’t think you guys even know what you are complaining about anymore. Go look at any GM thread prior to yesterday. All are full of proclamations about how we are going from DG straight to Abrams and that he will be nothing more than Maras errand boy. The GM search is a ruse, just so Mara can make sure we are all faked out. Well, the complete opposite happened. So now it’s on to Chris mara and his title.
And no, plenty of people I know are die hards, they don’t care about message boards or social media.
A little thought experiment: You apply for a high level job and you’re pretty familiar with the owners. You get the interview and they give you 3 names.
You take a quick look just to confirm. One is CEO/President, one is Chairman/EVP, one is SVP over a department that sounds an awful like what you do.
You then hear through the grapevine the SVP who will be at the interview and who is an owner “has no authority and won’t be making the decisions.”
This is weird, no?
I hoped he would have intervene drafting D.Baker
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When would you say this started going downhill? Now look up when he was promoted to his current position. As Eric said, maybe he is to blame or maybe he isn't but he shouldn't be in his position.
By that reasoning Tisch should not have a title either. He never does anything except agree with John on coaches and GMs, then goes and bangs his GF.
Ridiculous comparison. Tisch actually owns a stake in the team. Chris Mara does not, other than the silver fucking spoon he has ‘earned’ by the genetic lottery. You see any Tisch’s working in the front office? Nope.
So, wow, wrong on both counts. He's an OWNER, and there are at least 2 Tisches working in the office, including the fucking treasurer.
Nobody cares about the Treasurer. People care about the guys picking the crappy players.