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Who would you say is the "safest" HC candidate?

Anakim : 1/12/2022 10:08 pm
Because if there's one thing that is perfectly clear, ownership cannot get this one wrong and it's very likely that owenership will double down on the new GM/HC tandem even if we don't see a huge improvement in our win total for the next couple of years. You heard today that John Mara absolutely hates the idea that this franchise has been a revolving door of head coaches. Two years, two years, two years. Honestly, I think the only two ways the head coach or GM is fired in the next two years are if we go 3-14 or worse in the next 2-3 years or if they embarrass themselves ala Judge.


So this franchise can't get this one wrong. The next HC has to be somewhat safe without many questions. I don't think they can or will roll the dice on an unproven (like Judge) or a novice (like McAdoo). At the same time, they're not going to hire a historically mediocre coach (like Shurmur).

So where does that leave us? Well, let's look at the main negatives for the rumored HC candidates.

Brian Daboll - is he difficult to work with like that article says?

Eric Bieniemy - for a second, forget his role in KC and how much can be attributed to Andy Reid. What about his run-ins with the law while in college? Would ownership really take that risk? I doubt it.

Doug Pederson - he's safe in the sense that he won a SB as a HC which none of the others can say, but he's a fucking loser. He deliberately lost a game. After what we saw on Sunday from the reverse wedge formation by Judge, I don't think ownership wants a coach that has that kind of mindset.

Jim Harbaugh - going to want too much power

Byron Leftwich - works with Tom Brady. He did do well prior to Brady arriving, but I think he's just too inexperienced for owernship's liking.

Jim Caldwell - been out of the game for a while due to health issues and now wants to get back in. Can they really risk hiring a coach with potential health problems?

Kellen Moore - only 33 years old.

Todd Bowles - he already flamed out for the other New York team

Patrick Graham - more of the same? Would be rather uninspiring.

Brian Flores - we know he can coach his ass off, but will ownership be too hesitant to hire someone who is a bit rough around the edges and who butted heads with ownership, the GM and the QB (even if he was in the right)?




So where do we go, folks? What are your predictions?
I Think I Want A Current NFL OC  
Trainmaster : 1/12/2022 10:14 pm : link
with prior NFL or Division 1 Head Coaching experience.

Of course Pat Shurmur fits that bill.

Just off the definition alone  
The Dude : 1/12/2022 10:15 pm : link
Feel like a retread with any decent experience would be "safest". Caldwell, Todd Bowles, Harbough i guess but i know the personality feels risky.



A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC.
Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )
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The Dude : 1/12/2022 10:15 pm : link
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Flores  
3rdnlong : 1/12/2022 10:17 pm : link
Is the safest
I’m sorry but  
Chris684 : 1/12/2022 10:23 pm : link
Graham, Bowles and Caldwell are not realistic candidates for this team.

The New York Giants during their hour of desperation in turning things around are going to hire a failed former Jets head coach? Yea right.

Graham? Yea let’s promote the DC of our now toxic former head coach who we just fired coming off of 4-13 while Graham’s unit underachieved by many measures.

RE: Caldwell, if you want to look at an elder statesman hire go with Zimmer.

Pederson? Not after what he did last year and is he the same coach without his staff? Guys like Stoutland and Reich who are all elsewhere.

Daboll, Leftwich and Moore are all very interesting but huge gambles.

Bringing Jim Harbaugh in here would be the likeliest and quickest path back to relevance even if he would cost a lot of money and possibly burn out after 4-5 years.
Safest from that group would probably be Pederson  
j_rud : 1/12/2022 10:24 pm : link
I don't like tanking either but I've always thought Roseman/Lurie at the very least signed off on it. There seems to be a mistaken belief that this was why he was let go but it was actually due to the front office forcing staffing changes on Pederson and Pederson essentially giving them an ultimatum. He's got a solid career record although there are the unanswered questions about his performance after Reich left for Indy. Safe perhaps but probably a tough sell.
RE: I’m sorry but  
FStubbs : 1/12/2022 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15550431 Chris684 said:
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Graham, Bowles and Caldwell are not realistic candidates for this team.

The New York Giants during their hour of desperation in turning things around are going to hire a failed former Jets head coach? Yea right.

Graham? Yea let’s promote the DC of our now toxic former head coach who we just fired coming off of 4-13 while Graham’s unit underachieved by many measures.

RE: Caldwell, if you want to look at an elder statesman hire go with Zimmer.

Pederson? Not after what he did last year and is he the same coach without his staff? Guys like Stoutland and Reich who are all elsewhere.

Daboll, Leftwich and Moore are all very interesting but huge gambles.

Bringing Jim Harbaugh in here would be the likeliest and quickest path back to relevance even if he would cost a lot of money and possibly burn out after 4-5 years.


Graham could end up like Fassel - attached to a horrible head coach (Handley), but get some more achievements elsewhere as a coordinator and returns as a head coach years later.
Harbaugh  
NoGainDayne : 1/12/2022 10:27 pm : link
I don't understand the problem with wanting too much power. He's a winner. For the love of god give him the power if it means taking away from the clown council.

I'm sure he will get along with Hortiz or Peters just fine. I don't think he will ask for the GM job, I agree that's stupid and bullshit but if he's helping to pick the groceries at the expense of Chris Mara's input. WHAT is wrong with that? Lol
Harbaugh and Flores are the safest  
illmatic : 1/12/2022 10:28 pm : link
Followed by Pederson. But I doubt they hire a coach who essentially threw a game.
I’m willing to bet large cash dollars  
Sammo85 : 1/12/2022 10:28 pm : link
The next HC will be a guy not on this list or the other repeated names nobody is talking about.

People are automatically assuming a GM we hire will bring somebody from that team with them. No guarantee and honestly could be in opposite direction.

This may sound crazy but one name I would keep an eye on is Dennis Allen, DC of the Saints.
RE: I’m willing to bet large cash dollars  
eric2425ny : 1/12/2022 10:30 pm : link
In comment 15550439 Sammo85 said:
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The next HC will be a guy not on this list or the other repeated names nobody is talking about.

People are automatically assuming a GM we hire will bring somebody from that team with them. No guarantee and honestly could be in opposite direction.

This may sound crazy but one name I would keep an eye on is Dennis Allen, DC of the Saints.


No problem with that.
Bieniemy issues  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/12/2022 10:31 pm : link
It’s been over 30 years since EB’s run in with the law and yet they are still being held against him. I don’t know what it is about him that he can’t get a job. This BS questioning his legitimacy as the OC is just that BS. All of the McVay’s underlings (Lafleur, Taylor, and Staley) got HC gigs with equal or lesser resumes.
Flores is the best canditate  
rasbutant : 1/12/2022 10:34 pm : link
But will Giants fans allow it...they are calling the shots after all.
Harbaugh  
djm : 1/12/2022 10:34 pm : link
Pederson

In that order
I think Daboll is the safest  
Koffman : 1/12/2022 10:34 pm : link
I heard he uses condoms every time.
To clarify why I think Pederson is safer than  
j_rud : 1/12/2022 10:46 pm : link
Harbaugh/Flores...

First of all Flores hasn't won the way Pederson or Harbaugh have. Flores and Harbaugh have both gotten into power struggles with their GMs as well. Reports from Miami have talked about Flores pushing for more and more control and its not a secret that Harbaugh is going to want to essentially run whatever show he takes over. I think there's just more of a risk of a personality clash/power struggle with either of those guys. And while Pederson clashed with Roseman that was Roseman's doing. All Pederson wanted to do was not have his staff dictated to him.

For the record I think Harbaugh is a better coach and his history of turning around floundering organizations makes him particularly suited to this job. But Pederson feels like a "safer" pick.
Probably in the minority  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/12/2022 10:50 pm : link
But I think Quinn is an ace on D and checks the HC experience box His players love him and he has the pelts.

The x for him is who would be the OC.
RE: Just off the definition alone  
bw in dc : 1/12/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15550421 The Dude said:
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Feel like a retread with any decent experience would be "safest". Caldwell, Todd Bowles, Harbough i guess but i know the personality feels risky.



A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )


He's very interesting. I've been reading up on him. Ivy Leaguer who has a real passion for the game. Sounds like a real technician, too. And a guy who is his very forward thinking with the modern game.

Hiring him would be so far out of Mara's comfort zone.
RE: Just off the definition alone  
BestFeature : 1/12/2022 11:03 pm : link
In comment 15550421 The Dude said:
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Feel like a retread with any decent experience would be "safest". Caldwell, Todd Bowles, Harbough i guess but i know the personality feels risky.



A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )


I can see that becoming annoying if we lose.
RE: RE: Just off the definition alone  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/12/2022 11:07 pm : link
In comment 15550476 BestFeature said:
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In comment 15550421 The Dude said:


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Feel like a retread with any decent experience would be "safest". Caldwell, Todd Bowles, Harbough i guess but i know the personality feels risky.



A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )



I can see that becoming annoying if we lose.


This guy scares the shit out of me. Can he lead me? No HC experience, how much is Shany..etc
RE: RE: RE: Just off the definition alone  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/12/2022 11:08 pm : link
In comment 15550479 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:
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In comment 15550421 The Dude said:


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Feel like a retread with any decent experience would be "safest". Caldwell, Todd Bowles, Harbough i guess but i know the personality feels risky.



A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )



I can see that becoming annoying if we lose.



This guy scares the shit out of me. Can he lead me? No HC experience, how much is Shany..etc


* lead men*
RE: Just off the definition alone  
NoGainDayne : 1/12/2022 11:08 pm : link
In comment 15550421 The Dude said:
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Feel like a retread with any decent experience would be "safest". Caldwell, Todd Bowles, Harbough i guess but i know the personality feels risky.



A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )


Holy shit I love Mike McDaniel. That was amazing. The Mara’s would never hire him though. An overconfident blowhard like DG or JJ no problem. But I don’t see them accepting a small quirky fellow at all. He doesn’t like “look like a football guy”
Bill O’Brien  
Mike in NY : 1/12/2022 11:35 pm : link
As long as you never let him near GM position
RE: RE: Just off the definition alone  
The Dude : 1/12/2022 11:48 pm : link
In comment 15550476 BestFeature said:
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In comment 15550421 The Dude said:


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Feel like a retread with any decent experience would be "safest". Caldwell, Todd Bowles, Harbough i guess but i know the personality feels risky.



A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )



I can see that becoming annoying if we lose.


You're not wrong.. i actually agree...but...

But how much did we love Judges first presser...and how old did that schtick get when losing game?

Shurmur - while not a media darling to begin with....once the losing started got picked apart for every answer he gave.

McAdoo- The short, football buzzword filled answers got old quick. that and "gotta check the tape".

I agree, Mara would never go for a McDaniel HC, but everyones personality/schtick/brand gets old in NY so quick when you start losing 10 games a year.

Really intrigued by him though, wish he was moving up the ranks here already.
Doug Pederson is the safest  
Breeze_94 : 1/12/2022 11:57 pm : link
but don't we hate that guy?
Swing for the fences  
Producer : 1/13/2022 12:02 am : link
Kellen Moore
I think the safest  
Allen in CNJ : 1/13/2022 5:23 am : link
would be Daboll, O'Brien, and probably Leftwich... Throw in Dan Quinn too
....  
Chuck Q : 1/13/2022 7:37 am : link
"Brian Flores - we know he can coach his ass off, but will ownership be too hesitant to hire someone who is a bit rough around the edges and who butted heads with ownership, the GM and the QB (even if he was in the right)? Bill Parcels never saw eye to eye with his GM...
I'm tired of losing...  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2022 7:50 am : link
give me Harbaugh.

I think he's the closest thing to a slam dunk when it comes to building a winning team on that list.
Mara likes  
bluefin : 1/13/2022 7:58 am : link
Garrett, too.
Leslie Frazier  
jeff57 : 1/13/2022 8:00 am : link
Assuming Schoen is hired.
RE: Doug Pederson is the safest  
Ivan15 : 1/13/2022 8:03 am : link
In comment 15550511 Breeze_94 said:
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but don't we hate that guy?


“We” do hate that guy. He can have his pick as HC of any team in the NFL, except NYG. No other fan base in the league cares if he tanked a game. And if the Eagles management was on board with the tank job, it was because they had set him up so they could fire him because of his conflicts with management. No way would a HC who finessed his way to the SB with a backup QB be fired like that.
My neighbor who is Miami fan has heard rumors  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2022 8:12 am : link
indicating Fins are looking hard at Pederson.

Not a fan of his but Pederson probably is the safest.

Not an impressive group of potential HCs...hopefully the candidate list is deeper and broader than we are hearing.
All this speculation is fun, even without know who the GM will be.  
Ivan15 : 1/13/2022 8:27 am : link
My 30,000 foot view. Put yourself in the place of the new GM. Do you want to hire Harbaugh knowing that you will have to deal with his power grab within a couple of years? All coaches want to “buy the groceries” but maybe only Pedersen and Flores will cause similar problems. They are still good candidates.

I would put my money on a candidate with former HC success, even if it was only once and he has had an equal number of failures. McAdoo and Judge had no HC experience and limited coordinator experience (McAdoo only with the Giants and Judge only with Special Teams). Harbaugh, Pedersen, Flores are still on my list. Frazier and Bowles have had limited success so still there (Bowles did well as interim HC at Miami). Not too sure if I consider Zimmer to have had success and he has had a lot of mediocrity.
I've been thinking long and hard about Flores  
Chris684 : 1/13/2022 8:29 am : link
and I think he just might be on the verge of becoming an elite head coach at his next stop.

What I'm wondering though is if he's sort of too close to the profile of Judge. BB assistant who quickly wore out a welcome with his personality/style. Does that hit too close to home right now for NYG?
RE: Just off the definition alone  
Heisenberg : 1/13/2022 8:35 am : link
In comment 15550421 The Dude said:
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Feel like a retread with any decent experience would be "safest". Caldwell, Todd Bowles, Harbough i guess but i know the personality feels risky.



A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )


He is very smart and talented. I don't see a plausible scenarion where the Maras agree to having him be HC.
RE: Doug Pederson is the safest  
bw in dc : 1/13/2022 8:35 am : link
In comment 15550511 Breeze_94 said:
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but don't we hate that guy?


He is the safest and probably the most qualified. He did outstanding work in Philly. Especially the two years after winning the SB with Foles. They got into the playoffs with 9-7 records and an avalanche of injuries, particularly Wentz.

I'm over the 2020 issue with Hurts/Sudfeld in the final game of the season. The NFCE was so embarrassing that year.
Mentioned Bill O’Brien earlier  
Mike in NY : 1/13/2022 8:43 am : link
If the Giants are too scared off because of his power grabs in Houston then destroying franchise with asinine trades, I would probably say Pederson or Leftwich are the “safest.” Even though Leftwich has never been a head coach, he knows what it is like to lead a franchise a starting QB and also has run more 2/4 minute offenses in game situations versus other head coaching candidates. Pederson, as a former QB, had that same advantage although he was never a long term starting QB.
No to Bienemy, Caldwell, Peterson, Moore and a monstrous NO to  
Spider56 : 1/13/2022 8:45 am : link
Harbaugh. I like Bowles, but would he come back to NY? I think both Leslie Frazier and Dan Quinn are great DCs and will be better in the second go rounds. .. Quinn is the reason Dallas won the division; but I still like Flores the best. He cleaned up a real shit show in Miami and his BC lineage can’t hurt.
RE: No to Bienemy, Caldwell, Peterson, Moore and a monstrous NO to  
Spider56 : 1/13/2022 8:46 am : link
In comment 15550701 Spider56 said:
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Harbaugh. I like Bowles, but would he come back to NY? I think both Leslie Frazier and Dan Quinn are great DCs and will be better in the second go rounds. .. Quinn is the reason Dallas won the division; but I still like Flores the best. He cleaned up a real shit show in Miami and his BC lineage can’t hurt.


Huge NO to O’Brien and a Pederson too ... don’t know enough about Daniel to comment
RE: Swing for the fences  
Capt. Don : 1/13/2022 8:50 am : link
In comment 15550514 Producer said:
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Kellen Moore


AGREE!
Pederson is an incredibly safe choice  
cosmicj : 1/13/2022 8:51 am : link
I actually think the line up of candidates is very strong this year, another reason why it was wise to fire Judge now. A lot of coaching talent out on the street, even before we get to lesser known names that our new expert GM (cross fingers) will know about.

Btw, if Ryan Poles gets the job, which I think is somewhat unlikely, he knows Pederson well from KC.
I don't understand why  
bigbluehoya : 1/13/2022 8:54 am : link
Nathaniel Hackett isn't on most of the short lists being pushed.
RE: ....  
Dinger : 1/13/2022 9:10 am : link
In comment 15550614 Chuck Q said:
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"Brian Flores - we know he can coach his ass off, but will ownership be too hesitant to hire someone who is a bit rough around the edges and who butted heads with ownership, the GM and the QB (even if he was in the right)? Bill Parcels never saw eye to eye with his GM...

Was thinking the SAME exact thing.

I think it behooves us to consider who you want as GM then think through who he might bring in as HC. I like Monti and Flores combo or Horitz and either Martindale or Roman. Who knows if the GM would pick a Cooridnator from his current team either, but again, I just hope they win....baby win.
I am big on Daboll, and would  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/13/2022 9:57 am : link
Like him to bring in their QB coach Ken Dorsey as OC. I heard he had a lot to do with Allen’s development. My son went to UB and has a ton of Bills friends. Take it FWIW but this is what one had to say about Daboll.

“He is very not creative on offense”

“He refuses to run sometimes so the offense is predictable”

So Dabol did a great job of developing Allen. He spent all summer with him between Allen’s 3rd and 4th season and they worked on his mechanics and reads and all that and we see the results. That being said, his playcalling is atrocious at points. It feels like he wastes possessions and if we didn’t have the defense we have I don’t think we’d be where we are. His situational playcalling especially bothers me. Like he will go pass pass on first and second, and then be third and 9 or something and he’ll run singletary out of shotgun right up the middle. It just doesn’t make any sense sometimes. It’s hard to be like “Dabol is bad” because obviously he has done something right… but sometimes I watch games and feel like if he didn’t have Allen back there his offense wouldn’t be very good. Sometimes the offense lacks creativity too and again, it’s hard to say for certain that’s Dabol because it’s possible he doesn’t want to open the playbook deeper till later in the season.
Harbaugh  
jtfuoco : 1/13/2022 10:05 am : link
Is the safest pick if you want to get back to winning football but you only get him for 4 to 5 seasons or if he gets bored and jumps to the next challenge
Flores would be the guy I'd be most  
Section331 : 1/13/2022 10:48 am : link
interested in, depending on how true the Dolphin statements were about him wanting full control. I'm dubious that he asked for that, he hasn't even made the playoffs yet, I think that is spin to explain why they fired a coach who had outperformed his roster.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Leftwich, he had the 3rd ranked offense with Jameis throwing to the wrong colored jersey every other throw. He has been tied to Arians, and it is Arian's scheme, but he has been the play caller.
We're in a scary situation  
thedogfather : 1/13/2022 11:05 am : link
cause there are no 'safest' candidates imo. I don't see a home run hire. We're talking about inexperienced coordinators here and we haven't had luck with them. But we also haven't had luck with experienced ex-coaches either. I think this hire is kind of like drafting. It's a crapshoot. We'll need to get lucky. I can't say I'm leaning towards any one candidate. It depends who is the GM. I will say I hope we kind of look to our history and find a guy who can handle NYC. Especially the media. These next few seasons will not be pretty. We'll need a guy who can handle the pressure and losing while we rebuild this thing. We can't have 11 minute WWE promo's.
I've only seen one or two posters above  
Old Dirty : 1/13/2022 12:37 pm : link
mention him, but I think Dan Quinn is one of the safest choice for HC. He took the Falcons to the SB as a head coach & could have won had the offense been able to sustain a couple drives in the 4th qtr. He was DC of a SB winning Seahawks team in 2013. He has been around a bit so he should have little trouble putting together a staff.

My biggest question would be what kind of offense he wants to run. He had Kyle Shanahan as his OC in Atl & he also began his NFL coaching career under Steve Mariucci in SF. It wouldn't be odd to think he prefers some type of west-coast offense.
RE: I don't understand why  
bw in dc : 1/13/2022 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15550722 bigbluehoya said:
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Nathaniel Hackett isn't on most of the short lists being pushed.


Hot name, but we need to select the GM first and then let him decide who he wants to work with and trust.
RE: I've only seen one or two posters above  
Simms11 : 1/13/2022 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15551368 Old Dirty said:
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mention him, but I think Dan Quinn is one of the safest choice for HC. He took the Falcons to the SB as a head coach & could have won had the offense been able to sustain a couple drives in the 4th qtr. He was DC of a SB winning Seahawks team in 2013. He has been around a bit so he should have little trouble putting together a staff.

My biggest question would be what kind of offense he wants to run. He had Kyle Shanahan as his OC in Atl & he also began his NFL coaching career under Steve Mariucci in SF. It wouldn't be odd to think he prefers some type of west-coast offense.


Quinn is also from Morristown NJ, a North Jersey guy, as well. Plus he wears his cap backwards, how cool is that! Lol
If 'safe' is the qualifier here then it's certainly Harbaugh.  
Mike in Long Beach : 1/13/2022 2:45 pm : link
Some don't like his attitude. Some don't like his limited shelf-life before players and management alike turn on him. Some don't like that he's never won a championship. But even his most ardent critics can't argue that he never coaches embarrassingly bad teams like ours has been. The Giants will be competitive under him. For me, that's my definition of "safe," and he fits the title most.
RE: RE: I don't understand why  
bigbluehoya : 1/13/2022 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15551409 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15550722 bigbluehoya said:


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Nathaniel Hackett isn't on most of the short lists being pushed.



Hot name, but we need to select the GM first and then let him decide who he wants to work with and trust.


of course. if we are talking order of operations, we could just shut down the whole thread under this premise.
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