Because if there's one thing that is perfectly clear, ownership cannot get this one wrong and it's very likely that owenership will double down on the new GM/HC tandem even if we don't see a huge improvement in our win total for the next couple of years. You heard today that John Mara absolutely hates the idea that this franchise has been a revolving door of head coaches. Two years, two years, two years. Honestly, I think the only two ways the head coach or GM is fired in the next two years are if we go 3-14 or worse in the next 2-3 years or if they embarrass themselves ala Judge.
So this franchise can't get this one wrong. The next HC has to be somewhat safe without many questions. I don't think they can or will roll the dice on an unproven (like Judge) or a novice (like McAdoo). At the same time, they're not going to hire a historically mediocre coach (like Shurmur).
So where does that leave us? Well, let's look at the main negatives for the rumored HC candidates.
Brian Daboll - is he difficult to work with like that article says?
Eric Bieniemy - for a second, forget his role in KC and how much can be attributed to Andy Reid. What about his run-ins with the law while in college? Would ownership really take that risk? I doubt it.
Doug Pederson - he's safe in the sense that he won a SB as a HC which none of the others can say, but he's a fucking loser. He deliberately lost a game. After what we saw on Sunday from the reverse wedge formation by Judge, I don't think ownership wants a coach that has that kind of mindset.
Jim Harbaugh - going to want too much power
Byron Leftwich - works with Tom Brady. He did do well prior to Brady arriving, but I think he's just too inexperienced for owernship's liking.
Jim Caldwell - been out of the game for a while due to health issues and now wants to get back in. Can they really risk hiring a coach with potential health problems?
Kellen Moore - only 33 years old.
Todd Bowles - he already flamed out for the other New York team
Patrick Graham - more of the same? Would be rather uninspiring.
Brian Flores - we know he can coach his ass off, but will ownership be too hesitant to hire someone who is a bit rough around the edges and who butted heads with ownership, the GM and the QB (even if he was in the right)?
So where do we go, folks? What are your predictions?
Of course Pat Shurmur fits that bill.
A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC.
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The New York Giants during their hour of desperation in turning things around are going to hire a failed former Jets head coach? Yea right.
Graham? Yea let’s promote the DC of our now toxic former head coach who we just fired coming off of 4-13 while Graham’s unit underachieved by many measures.
RE: Caldwell, if you want to look at an elder statesman hire go with Zimmer.
Pederson? Not after what he did last year and is he the same coach without his staff? Guys like Stoutland and Reich who are all elsewhere.
Daboll, Leftwich and Moore are all very interesting but huge gambles.
Bringing Jim Harbaugh in here would be the likeliest and quickest path back to relevance even if he would cost a lot of money and possibly burn out after 4-5 years.
The New York Giants during their hour of desperation in turning things around are going to hire a failed former Jets head coach? Yea right.
Graham? Yea let’s promote the DC of our now toxic former head coach who we just fired coming off of 4-13 while Graham’s unit underachieved by many measures.
RE: Caldwell, if you want to look at an elder statesman hire go with Zimmer.
Pederson? Not after what he did last year and is he the same coach without his staff? Guys like Stoutland and Reich who are all elsewhere.
Daboll, Leftwich and Moore are all very interesting but huge gambles.
Bringing Jim Harbaugh in here would be the likeliest and quickest path back to relevance even if he would cost a lot of money and possibly burn out after 4-5 years.
Graham could end up like Fassel - attached to a horrible head coach (Handley), but get some more achievements elsewhere as a coordinator and returns as a head coach years later.
I'm sure he will get along with Hortiz or Peters just fine. I don't think he will ask for the GM job, I agree that's stupid and bullshit but if he's helping to pick the groceries at the expense of Chris Mara's input. WHAT is wrong with that? Lol
People are automatically assuming a GM we hire will bring somebody from that team with them. No guarantee and honestly could be in opposite direction.
This may sound crazy but one name I would keep an eye on is Dennis Allen, DC of the Saints.
People are automatically assuming a GM we hire will bring somebody from that team with them. No guarantee and honestly could be in opposite direction.
This may sound crazy but one name I would keep an eye on is Dennis Allen, DC of the Saints.
No problem with that.
In that order
First of all Flores hasn't won the way Pederson or Harbaugh have. Flores and Harbaugh have both gotten into power struggles with their GMs as well. Reports from Miami have talked about Flores pushing for more and more control and its not a secret that Harbaugh is going to want to essentially run whatever show he takes over. I think there's just more of a risk of a personality clash/power struggle with either of those guys. And while Pederson clashed with Roseman that was Roseman's doing. All Pederson wanted to do was not have his staff dictated to him.
For the record I think Harbaugh is a better coach and his history of turning around floundering organizations makes him particularly suited to this job. But Pederson feels like a "safer" pick.
The x for him is who would be the OC.
A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )
He's very interesting. I've been reading up on him. Ivy Leaguer who has a real passion for the game. Sounds like a real technician, too. And a guy who is his very forward thinking with the modern game.
Hiring him would be so far out of Mara's comfort zone.
A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )
I can see that becoming annoying if we lose.
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Feel like a retread with any decent experience would be "safest". Caldwell, Todd Bowles, Harbough i guess but i know the personality feels risky.
A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )
I can see that becoming annoying if we lose.
This guy scares the shit out of me. Can he lead me? No HC experience, how much is Shany..etc
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Feel like a retread with any decent experience would be "safest". Caldwell, Todd Bowles, Harbough i guess but i know the personality feels risky.
A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )
I can see that becoming annoying if we lose.
This guy scares the shit out of me. Can he lead me? No HC experience, how much is Shany..etc
* lead men*
A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )
Holy shit I love Mike McDaniel. That was amazing. The Mara’s would never hire him though. An overconfident blowhard like DG or JJ no problem. But I don’t see them accepting a small quirky fellow at all. He doesn’t like “look like a football guy”
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Feel like a retread with any decent experience would be "safest". Caldwell, Todd Bowles, Harbough i guess but i know the personality feels risky.
A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )
I can see that becoming annoying if we lose.
You're not wrong.. i actually agree...but...
But how much did we love Judges first presser...and how old did that schtick get when losing game?
Shurmur - while not a media darling to begin with....once the losing started got picked apart for every answer he gave.
McAdoo- The short, football buzzword filled answers got old quick. that and "gotta check the tape".
I agree, Mara would never go for a McDaniel HC, but everyones personality/schtick/brand gets old in NY so quick when you start losing 10 games a year.
Really intrigued by him though, wish he was moving up the ranks here already.
I think he's the closest thing to a slam dunk when it comes to building a winning team on that list.
“We” do hate that guy. He can have his pick as HC of any team in the NFL, except NYG. No other fan base in the league cares if he tanked a game. And if the Eagles management was on board with the tank job, it was because they had set him up so they could fire him because of his conflicts with management. No way would a HC who finessed his way to the SB with a backup QB be fired like that.
Not a fan of his but Pederson probably is the safest.
Not an impressive group of potential HCs...hopefully the candidate list is deeper and broader than we are hearing.
I would put my money on a candidate with former HC success, even if it was only once and he has had an equal number of failures. McAdoo and Judge had no HC experience and limited coordinator experience (McAdoo only with the Giants and Judge only with Special Teams). Harbaugh, Pedersen, Flores are still on my list. Frazier and Bowles have had limited success so still there (Bowles did well as interim HC at Miami). Not too sure if I consider Zimmer to have had success and he has had a lot of mediocrity.
What I'm wondering though is if he's sort of too close to the profile of Judge. BB assistant who quickly wore out a welcome with his personality/style. Does that hit too close to home right now for NYG?
A guy I absolutely love reading about and watching videos of is Mike McDaniel. Looks like he rolls out of bed from an acid trip but I love his analytic mind...just wrote it in the thread dedicated to him and Peters but i would love that GM/HC duo with a stern DC. Mcdaniel pressers - ( New Window )
He is very smart and talented. I don't see a plausible scenarion where the Maras agree to having him be HC.
He is the safest and probably the most qualified. He did outstanding work in Philly. Especially the two years after winning the SB with Foles. They got into the playoffs with 9-7 records and an avalanche of injuries, particularly Wentz.
I'm over the 2020 issue with Hurts/Sudfeld in the final game of the season. The NFCE was so embarrassing that year.
Huge NO to O’Brien and a Pederson too ... don’t know enough about Daniel to comment
AGREE!
Btw, if Ryan Poles gets the job, which I think is somewhat unlikely, he knows Pederson well from KC.
Was thinking the SAME exact thing.
I think it behooves us to consider who you want as GM then think through who he might bring in as HC. I like Monti and Flores combo or Horitz and either Martindale or Roman. Who knows if the GM would pick a Cooridnator from his current team either, but again, I just hope they win....baby win.
“He is very not creative on offense”
“He refuses to run sometimes so the offense is predictable”
So Dabol did a great job of developing Allen. He spent all summer with him between Allen’s 3rd and 4th season and they worked on his mechanics and reads and all that and we see the results. That being said, his playcalling is atrocious at points. It feels like he wastes possessions and if we didn’t have the defense we have I don’t think we’d be where we are. His situational playcalling especially bothers me. Like he will go pass pass on first and second, and then be third and 9 or something and he’ll run singletary out of shotgun right up the middle. It just doesn’t make any sense sometimes. It’s hard to be like “Dabol is bad” because obviously he has done something right… but sometimes I watch games and feel like if he didn’t have Allen back there his offense wouldn’t be very good. Sometimes the offense lacks creativity too and again, it’s hard to say for certain that’s Dabol because it’s possible he doesn’t want to open the playbook deeper till later in the season.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Leftwich, he had the 3rd ranked offense with Jameis throwing to the wrong colored jersey every other throw. He has been tied to Arians, and it is Arian's scheme, but he has been the play caller.
My biggest question would be what kind of offense he wants to run. He had Kyle Shanahan as his OC in Atl & he also began his NFL coaching career under Steve Mariucci in SF. It wouldn't be odd to think he prefers some type of west-coast offense.
Hot name, but we need to select the GM first and then let him decide who he wants to work with and trust.
My biggest question would be what kind of offense he wants to run. He had Kyle Shanahan as his OC in Atl & he also began his NFL coaching career under Steve Mariucci in SF. It wouldn't be odd to think he prefers some type of west-coast offense.
Quinn is also from Morristown NJ, a North Jersey guy, as well. Plus he wears his cap backwards, how cool is that! Lol
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Nathaniel Hackett isn't on most of the short lists being pushed.
Hot name, but we need to select the GM first and then let him decide who he wants to work with and trust.
of course. if we are talking order of operations, we could just shut down the whole thread under this premise.