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Have we considered that Schoen might want Leslie Frazier?

ryanmkeane : 1/13/2022 9:06 am
All the talk about Daboll because he's been getting the interview requests - but Frazier has got the experience, has been a head coach, and may have better temperament/leadership skills than Daboll. Just trying to piece it together. I found this video from 2016 - seems to have a commanding presence - but obviously he'd have to bring along a great OC.
Leslie Frazier, Ravens interview from 2016 - ( New Window )
good point  
Capt. Don : 1/13/2022 9:07 am : link
I would prefer an offensive guy but Frazier would be good too.
RE: good point  
ryanmkeane : 1/13/2022 9:12 am : link
In comment 15550745 Capt. Don said:
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I would prefer an offensive guy but Frazier would be good too.

it's somewhat weird....Frazier is a guy that everyone in the NFL raves about....yet he really hasn't made that jump to head coach and been successful
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ryanmkeane : 1/13/2022 9:14 am : link
he did take the Vikings to the playoffs in his 2nd full year as HC back in 2012, but aside from that his tenure wasn't good there, may have been the roster though
Personally  
Biteymax22 : 1/13/2022 9:19 am : link
I prefer Frazier. Daboll's resume before the Bills leaves a lot to be desired. A lot of 1 year stops, poor performances and reports of him being difficult to work with.

Frazier has been a HC though his overall record wasn't great, he had a poor roster and still won 10 games in a season with Cristian Ponder at QB.
Have  
Professor Falken : 1/13/2022 9:23 am : link
we considered that Schoen might not want either Daboll or Frazier?
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rsjem1979 : 1/13/2022 9:24 am : link
In comment 15550757 ryanmkeane said:
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he did take the Vikings to the playoffs in his 2nd full year as HC back in 2012, but aside from that his tenure wasn't good there, may have been the roster though


Well in his defense, he does have some experience coaching shitty ACC QBs who had no business being drafted in the first round.
I prefer Zimmer if we're going "older"  
Chris684 : 1/13/2022 9:27 am : link
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RE: Have  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/13/2022 9:29 am : link
In comment 15550766 Professor Falken said:
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we considered that Schoen might not want either Daboll or Frazier?


I want the GM to hire a HC not a system.
I think there's a good possibility  
Sammo85 : 1/13/2022 9:41 am : link
Just like folks don't want to force a QB pick, there's no reason to force an OC as Head Coach. Critical for a DC is to assemble a good top to bottom offensive staff, so if an OC has a good couple years and gets a HC job, there's a progression plan in place.

Good defensive minds also tend to understand the whole game well too just as much as OCs in a passing league and attacking defenses (having to pressure QB, playcalling, microanalysis).

I think Dennis Allen, DC of the Saints is another guy to keep an eye on (he wants to be a HC again and he's got some loose behind the scenes respect with a few of the GMs under consideration).
RE: Have  
Sammo85 : 1/13/2022 9:45 am : link
In comment 15550766 Professor Falken said:
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we considered that Schoen might not want either Daboll or Frazier?


Strong possibility. Sometimes familiarity or proximity leads to seeing the warts too than just fostering a relationship.

As important as the GM hire is for the organization, the HC hire is critical to get right for the GM, otherwise, we're back in purgatory in another 3-4 years with new coach.
RE: RE: good point  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/13/2022 9:49 am : link
In comment 15550753 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 15550745 Capt. Don said:


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I would prefer an offensive guy but Frazier would be good too.


it's somewhat weird....Frazier is a guy that everyone in the NFL raves about....yet he really hasn't made that jump to head coach and been successful

Someone made a good point yesterday - it might have been Florio, not sure - which was basically that if you go with a DC as your HC, you're leaving your offense in the hands of your OC, and if he does a good job, you're dealing with replacement issues on offense, where scheme and playcalling are more diverse.

Conversely, if you go with an OC at HC, and have him either as the primary playcaller or at least the chief strategic voice on offense, you're going to sink or swim with your head guy, and if he's good, you have more stability.

The idea, obviously, is that defense is a bit more universal, while offense in the current NFL, is more nuanced.

It's not a crazy way to view things, IMO.
I have no interest in Frazier as HC  
JonC : 1/13/2022 9:52 am : link
He's a quality DC, but leave him there.
Frazier is in his 60s.  
cosmicj : 1/13/2022 9:55 am : link
I don’t think he is compelling as a candidate.
RE: Personally  
Section331 : 1/13/2022 9:56 am : link
In comment 15550763 Biteymax22 said:
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I prefer Frazier. Daboll's resume before the Bills leaves a lot to be desired. A lot of 1 year stops, poor performances and reports of him being difficult to work with.

Frazier has been a HC though his overall record wasn't great, he had a poor roster and still won 10 games in a season with Cristian Ponder at QB.


I have no dog in this fight, as I don't know much about either outside of how their units ranked, but in fairness to Daboll, he was saddled with some mediocre QB's. He had Buffalo at 10th in the league with Tyrod Taylor. And he deserves at least some credit for Josh Allen's swift development.
It s an offensive league  
joeinpa : 1/13/2022 10:06 am : link
Cowherd main the pt yesterday, look at the teams in the playoffs, a big majority have offensive head coaches.
Wouldn’t mind it at all  
jeff57 : 1/13/2022 10:40 am : link
A mature experienced leader, with younger coordinators might just be the ticket.
RE: I have no interest in Frazier as HC  
ryanmkeane : 1/13/2022 10:41 am : link
In comment 15550823 JonC said:
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He's a quality DC, but leave him there.

who are your favorites for HC?
RE: It s an offensive league  
jeff57 : 1/13/2022 10:44 am : link
In comment 15550858 joeinpa said:
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Cowherd main the pt yesterday, look at the teams in the playoffs, a big majority have offensive head coaches.


But you also have Vrabel, McDermott, Belichick. I think it’s more important that the HC be a steady hand who can keep everyone together more than whether he was an OC or a DC.
RE: RE: It s an offensive league  
Sammo85 : 1/13/2022 10:54 am : link
In comment 15550959 jeff57 said:
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In comment 15550858 joeinpa said:


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Cowherd main the pt yesterday, look at the teams in the playoffs, a big majority have offensive head coaches.



But you also have Vrabel, McDermott, Belichick. I think it’s more important that the HC be a steady hand who can keep everyone together more than whether he was an OC or a DC.


Tomlin also.
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