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Sirius now- Weis is PISSED about the Schwartz(BBI Mentioned)

jvm52106 : 1/13/2022 10:13 am
article on Giants Nepotism.

Talking about being hired with Giants years ago, his dream job. Mara and Tisch families are good people.

Last 6 years have been crappy- all deserve blame.

Talking about Chris Mara and Tim McConnell. Weis says those two are the two best people in that organization. Says Chris Mara isn't GM only because of his name! They don't want their family being viewed that way.

Weis hired Tim MCConnell who Weis said he was one of the most valuable guys at the University (ND) and was kept on after Weis left. Mara's have a rule you can't start working with Giants you must go elsewhere first.

Papa and Weis (BBI was just mentioned specifically by Papa) and Papa is sick of arguing with people about Chris Mara. The league has offered him jobs elsewhere but doesn't because he is an owner of this team. Weis again talks about how Chris Mara is one of the BEST there is but fans think they know more than they do.
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This should go well  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2022 10:15 am : link
let todays conspiracies commence.
So  
madeinstars : 1/13/2022 10:17 am : link
Last 6 years (make that 10) have been a disaster and everyone deserves blame...

...apart from Mara and McDonell who are the smartest and best men he's ever known.

Makes sense.
They have to keep  
shocktheworld : 1/13/2022 10:17 am : link
The company narrative going!!! Blah!!
I have to admit I am a tad  
jvm52106 : 1/13/2022 10:17 am : link
in line with them. The focus here lately about TITLES and demanding this or that happen, is just beyond stupid. The Giants made mistakes there is no doubt about it but truth be told we ended up being victims of our unlikely successes of 07 and 11 and then some bad breaks:

Nailed OBJ pick for a few years but it died quickly.
Held on to Eli too LONG out of a sense of loyalty- that many fans here are victims of too.
Drafted Barkley when we should not have done that and then made it worse by having DG continue to run a team as if it were the 1980's.

I am listening as well.  
johnnyb : 1/13/2022 10:18 am : link
Charlie is not afraid to lay down criticism if it is deserved. In this case, he is defending the contributions of Chris Mara and Tom McDonnell. Remember, Charlei hired Tim at ND and is singing his praises- "the most valuable guy at Notre Dame".
RE: So  
jvm52106 : 1/13/2022 10:18 am : link
In comment 15550878 madeinstars said:
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Last 6 years (make that 10) have been a disaster and everyone deserves blame...

...apart from Mara and McDonell who are the smartest and best men he's ever known.

Makes sense.


That is not what he said or what I wrote but, feel free to read into that.
Welp  
JB_in_DC : 1/13/2022 10:19 am : link
I certainly hope he's right.
I've said this before  
JonC : 1/13/2022 10:20 am : link
we simply don't know how involved Chris Mara is in terms of the decline in talent ... we know the talent acquisition fell off a cliff around the same time he was elevated to this position, and that alone smells rotten. But, I don't expect him to step down or move aside so I don't spend the energy to beat it to death.
RE: RE: So  
madeinstars : 1/13/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15550887 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 15550878 madeinstars said:


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Last 6 years (make that 10) have been a disaster and everyone deserves blame...

...apart from Mara and McDonell who are the smartest and best men he's ever known.

Makes sense.



That is not what he said or what I wrote but, feel free to read into that.


"Last 6 years have been crappy- all deserve blame"

"Weis says those two are the two best people in that organization"

That is literally what you wrote?
The biggest thing I have issues with  
bigblue5611 : 1/13/2022 10:21 am : link
Is that the roster collectively started going to shit when Chris was promoted to his current title (2011). So if he knows his shit, is such a good evaluator, etc., then why has this roster sucked balls ever since he got that title?
if these guys are such superstars  
ron mexico : 1/13/2022 10:21 am : link
why do we suck so bad? Its hard to suck this bad in the NFL

In all honesty and without sarcasm, I'd be happy to give either the GM spot. It would at least show that they have a set of balls, maybe that will translate onto the field.

And by the way, did papa leak that he posts here? Hi Bob!
Mara made pretty clear  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/13/2022 10:23 am : link
that Chris Mara and Tim McDonald contribute information and opinions to the decision-making process, but that the GM and the HC make the final decisions. This place has become filled with myths based on limited to no information. A couple of these guys are being maligned without any specific facts other than the overall failures of the organiztion.
RE: I am listening as well.  
jvm52106 : 1/13/2022 10:23 am : link
In comment 15550884 johnnyb said:
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Charlie is not afraid to lay down criticism if it is deserved. In this case, he is defending the contributions of Chris Mara and Tom McDonnell. Remember, Charlei hired Tim at ND and is singing his praises- "the most valuable guy at Notre Dame".


Agreed and he did say his issue was the article painting this situation as a nepotism issue. Many here make the same mistakes the Giants have made- but from a fandom perspective.

Charlie said everyone deserves blame for what has happened over the last 6 years but to blame Mara like he doesn't belong and has a job because of name only was Weis's biggest issue.
I heard this, too...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2022 10:25 am : link
The way Weis was waxing poetic about Chris, you would think he was the second coming of Bill Polian. And that we should be ecstatic to have him.

So, I'm glad that's cleared up...
RE: RE: RE: So  
jvm52106 : 1/13/2022 10:25 am : link
In comment 15550891 madeinstars said:
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In comment 15550887 jvm52106 said:


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In comment 15550878 madeinstars said:


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Last 6 years (make that 10) have been a disaster and everyone deserves blame...

...apart from Mara and McDonell who are the smartest and best men he's ever known.

Makes sense.



That is not what he said or what I wrote but, feel free to read into that.



"Last 6 years have been crappy- all deserve blame"

"Weis says those two are the two best people in that organization"

That is literally what you wrote?



Again, where does that say they are above blame? The point was people argue they have jobs because of family only. Leonard Williams was the best Dlinemen we had this year, was he above any blame for what happened? No but still is the best player we had on the Dline.
Chris Bisignano-no Giants shill-  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2022 10:26 am : link
said the nephew is actually pretty respected so take that for what it's worth.
RE: Mara made pretty clear  
JonC : 1/13/2022 10:26 am : link
In comment 15550899 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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that Chris Mara and Tim McDonald contribute information and opinions to the decision-making process, but that the GM and the HC make the final decisions. This place has become filled with myths based on limited to no information. A couple of these guys are being maligned without any specific facts other than the overall failures of the organiztion.


That doesn't entirely exonerate Chris, as he's actively contributing evaluations of players, presumably many are being drafted by the decision makers (or missed) due to his/their scouting work.
easy fix  
DCPollaro : 1/13/2022 10:27 am : link
John Mara CEO
Chris Mara - Head of Football Operations
let Chris hire a GM and ensure the GM and HC work well together
If they want it to be believable  
ghost718 : 1/13/2022 10:28 am : link
Might want to take it down a notch,you're going to sit here and tell me he's one of the best there is.Not competent,effective,or anything along those lines.

He's one of best,you dummies just don't get it.Yeah alright,have another doughnut Charlie.
Sure there is enough failure over the last 6 years  
OlyWABigBlue : 1/13/2022 10:29 am : link
so that everyone gets a serving of blame - if blaming is your objective.

I'm sure the Maras and their progeny want the Giants to win and are doing their best. Even though there have been multiple reports that it is a meritocracy and it has nothing to do with ancestry, all of the supporting arguments to dispel nepotism or undue influence are tautological. I doubt we'll ever see or be privy to real systemic review. Even the best intentions can be negated by bad process or execution.
The odd thing about the many years  
NoGainDayne : 1/13/2022 10:29 am : link
of Giants defensiveness around the competence of their people. The results are neon signs to the contrary.

Oh yeah totally I believe that someone who has overseen one of the worst teams in football over the last 10 years is getting tons of calls to work for a different team than the team he is part owner of. I wonder if people even try to say it like this before they spout of their bullshit or they just assume we are idiots.
If Chris is so good...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2022 10:29 am : link
than he should be the GM. It's that simple.

Therefore, we have to conclude John is making a horrible mistake not doing it.

Or do we?



Wow, Marvin Lewis just said he wants to Coach  
jvm52106 : 1/13/2022 10:30 am : link
and sort of jokingly, not jokingly even mentioned GMEN. Papa asked him if he wanted to be GM as we need a GM first.

He currently is doing work with Herm Edwards (mentioned he was with Antonio PIerce- helping coaches with coaching advice and skills to become HC's). Specifically mentioning Pierce as a HC down the road, how much he has followed Pierce's career.
Chris Mara worked for the Giants his first fourteen years  
shyster : 1/13/2022 10:30 am : link
out of college,which contradicts Weis's assertion of a supposed family rule that Maras have to work elsewhere first.

And Weis says Chris has been offered other NFL jobs but doesn't take them because he is an owner of the Giants.

Other teams don't know this?

McDonnell also won't be able to work for any other NFL team. So he isn't going anywhere.

RE: RE: Mara made pretty clear  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/13/2022 10:30 am : link
In comment 15550911 JonC said:
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In comment 15550899 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:


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that Chris Mara and Tim McDonald contribute information and opinions to the decision-making process, but that the GM and the HC make the final decisions. This place has become filled with myths based on limited to no information. A couple of these guys are being maligned without any specific facts other than the overall failures of the organiztion.



That doesn't entirely exonerate Chris, as he's actively contributing evaluations of players, presumably many are being drafted by the decision makers (or missed) due to his/their scouting work.

We have no idea whether his advice is followed or not. This place has made him evil based on projection, not facts.
Hmm  
Scooter185 : 1/13/2022 10:30 am : link
Another Twitter talking point now being broadcast on air. Does Weis also like mustangs per chance?
he is right about the fact  
ron mexico : 1/13/2022 10:31 am : link
that both Chris and Tim have put in the work over the years, I will give them credit for that.

Lets all hope Tim is the boy wonder he is portrayed as.
bw in DC.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2022 10:31 am : link
I think Chris probably would be GM if his last name was Smith, not Mara. Then again...he probably isn't where he is now without his last name.
This is not an issue for me.  
Giant John : 1/13/2022 10:32 am : link
My focus is on the new GM. After that new coach and his staff.
Weiss says they're great  
j_rud : 1/13/2022 10:34 am : link
but the quality of the roster plummeted post 2011. But John says Chris really isn't all that involved. Which would be dumb if he's really as good as Weiss says.

Makes sense to me.
RE: I've said this before  
Mike from Ohio : 1/13/2022 10:35 am : link
In comment 15550889 JonC said:
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we simply don't know how involved Chris Mara is in terms of the decline in talent ... we know the talent acquisition fell off a cliff around the same time he was elevated to this position, and that alone smells rotten. But, I don't expect him to step down or move aside so I don't spend the energy to beat it to death.


And I don't think anyone else is really beating it to death either. Almost all the posts about Chris Mara yesterday were in the vain of "Stop obsessing about Chris Mara!!!"

People need a villain. For some here it is Chris Mara. For the rest, the villain is anyone saying Chris Mara's name.
Did someone say Schwartz?  
lawguy9801 : 1/13/2022 10:36 am : link
Well, we do have Chris to thank for Bobby Hart  
bigblue5611 : 1/13/2022 10:38 am : link
while he's mainly concentrating on watching his horse at the derby...

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Mara remains in touch with the war room through his nephew, Tim McDonnell, a pro scout for the Giants. Cell service is spotty amidst the sea of 170,000 fans at the Derby—more than double the turnout for a home game at MetLife Stadium—so texting is best. A little after 5 p.m., McDonnell texts Mara five names the Giants are talking about for their seventh-round pick. Mara sends back the three he likes best.

5:25 p.m., the Giants draft Bobby Hart, offensive lineman from Florida State, with the No. 226 overall pick
Hart was on Mara’s short list here. He’d been discussed a few weeks ago, in pre-draft meetings, as someone who might be there for the taking in the seventh round.

“Once the draft is over, the hardest guys to sign are those big-bodied guys,” Mara says. “They go quickly, because everybody needs them. One of our shortcomings is the offensive line, so we focused on a guy who played at a major level of competition at FSU, a big offensive lineman who can come in and maybe make the team.”


Given Hart was on the three names he sent back to Tim, it seems to me at least that Chris has a little more sway with who gets drafted than what's being said/reported.
Chris loves the ponies - ( New Window )
I should have added  
bigblue5611 : 1/13/2022 10:39 am : link
that I know that was only a 7th round pick, but I would have to think he has a big voice in who gets drafted in the other rounds as well...
What’s disappointing  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/13/2022 10:40 am : link
Is that we’ve been absolute crap for a decade. A laughingstock the last 4 years. Everything is on the table EXCEPT Chris & Tim. Seems like if it was a real top to bottom reset, they’d at least be in review.
RE: bw in DC.  
bw in dc : 1/13/2022 10:41 am : link
In comment 15550924 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think Chris probably would be GM if his last name was Smith, not Mara. Then again...he probably isn't where he is now without his last name.


Again, if Chris is as good as Weis and Papa say - and that there is this big market for him, but the ownership piece gets in the way - than his brother is making a huge mistake keeping such a talented evaluator out of the GM chair.

So, I'd be okay with Chris as the GM to prove once and for all if Chris is really this good.
If they're the best in the department,  
Bill in UT : 1/13/2022 10:42 am : link
we need to fire everyone, including them, cause the dept sucks.
Only been defending Chris Mara indirectly because posters here  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2022 10:43 am : link
were giving Gettleman too much of a "pass" on all the ridiculous personnel decisions over the years.

I guess it's coming into light now that maybe the true rising stars in the organization are Chris (and Tim) afterall. And that everybody else is holding them back.

Not for nothing, that would be classic!

Love the offseason...


RE: RE: RE: So  
clatterbuck : 1/13/2022 10:45 am : link
In comment 15550891 madeinstars said:
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In comment 15550887 jvm52106 said:


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In comment 15550878 madeinstars said:


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Last 6 years (make that 10) have been a disaster and everyone deserves blame...

...apart from Mara and McDonell who are the smartest and best men he's ever known.

Makes sense.



That is not what he said or what I wrote but, feel free to read into that.



"Last 6 years have been crappy- all deserve blame"

"Weis says those two are the two best people in that organization"

That is literally what you wrote?


Yes. But he didn't write, "smartest and best men he's ever known."
RE: RE: bw in DC.  
weeg in the bronx : 1/13/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15550950 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15550924 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I think Chris probably would be GM if his last name was Smith, not Mara. Then again...he probably isn't where he is now without his last name.



Again, if Chris is as good as Weis and Papa say - and that there is this big market for him, but the ownership piece gets in the way - than his brother is making a huge mistake keeping such a talented evaluator out of the GM chair.

So, I'd be okay with Chris as the GM to prove once and for all if Chris is really this good.


Its been stated by several talking heads that Tisch has vetoed this move.
Is it a coincidence that our drafted players....  
MOOPS : 1/13/2022 10:47 am : link
break down about as often as thoroughbred race horses and they have careers similar in length?
Yes  
jeff57 : 1/13/2022 10:49 am : link
He knows a lot. Just look at the Giants record.
RE: RE: RE: bw in DC.  
ron mexico : 1/13/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15550965 weeg in the bronx said:
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In comment 15550950 bw in dc said:


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In comment 15550924 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I think Chris probably would be GM if his last name was Smith, not Mara. Then again...he probably isn't where he is now without his last name.



Again, if Chris is as good as Weis and Papa say - and that there is this big market for him, but the ownership piece gets in the way - than his brother is making a huge mistake keeping such a talented evaluator out of the GM chair.

So, I'd be okay with Chris as the GM to prove once and for all if Chris is really this good.



Its been stated by several talking heads that Tisch has vetoed this move.


Maybe now Tisch understands the error in his ways and to not let external perception get in the way of a great football mind doing what he was born to do!
 
christian : 1/13/2022 10:50 am : link
This is great information from Bob and Charlie.

Sounds like the Giants either have an untapped resource or he was stymied by Gettleman’s bad decisions.

Seems like a major bummer the Giants had this ace in the hole, and have suffered through a decade of questionable amateur and pro personnel decisions.
I don't see Chris as a bogeyman... but the title is absurd  
regulator : 1/13/2022 10:52 am : link
VP of Player Personnel is a meaningful title. The dichotomy doesn't make sense. If he's such a skilled evaluator, and in high demand around the league, why doesn't he have more of a hand in our personnel decisions, given that they've been so bad? Conversely, has our VP of Player Personnel stood idly by, with his tremendous, well-regarded skills, while our GM and HC (since they make all decisions) burn down the organization?

To me, it's silly to see the great lengths John and Giants media go to defend Chris Mara and try to turn down the gas on the nepotism flame. To me, it's a ploy to divert attention away from the fact that he is in an accountability-free position in the football operation, which is otherwise a job with the ultimate measure of accountability (W:L).

Bottom line... we've sucked for a long time, everyone in that operation has a hand in it.
here's my take  
GiantsFan84 : 1/13/2022 10:52 am : link
1 - nobody is going to go to john mara and say "john your brother and nephew suck at their jobs". it's not happening. they may say that behind his back, but nobody is saying that to their face.

2 - if they are so good at their jobs, why does this teams drafting and free agent signings SUCK over the last 10 years?

3 - if they are so good at their jobs and well respected, why do they have no authority at all?

4 - when you hire family and give them real titles, these concerns are going to be raised. if you don't like it, don't put yourself in this position

5 - chris mara would NOT be hired by another team to be a GM. i mean why would he if all he does is do scouting reports and upload them into a system.....


Chris Mara  
WillVAB : 1/13/2022 10:52 am : link
The drafts and personnel decisions turned to hot garbage the day he assumed an executive role with the Giants. So either his evaluations suck (likely), or no one is listening to him. There’s really no positive way to spin this despite the repeated attempts to do so.
The Weis Years  
Costy16 : 1/13/2022 10:53 am : link
At Notre Dame were about as unforgettable a tenure as what the Giants have gone through the last 9-10 years.
The fact that 2 people up the chain  
Section331 : 1/13/2022 10:54 am : link
of the personnel dept can't be fired or moved despite a decade of utter incompetence is a problem. I'm sorry if Charlie Weis can't see that. It has nothing to do with how nice they are, or even if they are good at their jobs. It's about accountability.

TC was a good man who knew more football thank all of the Mara's combined, yet he got fired. That is what happens when you have losing seasons. Except if you're an owner cosplaying as a GM.
I used to respect Papa...  
Optimus-NY : 1/13/2022 10:56 am : link
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