article on Giants Nepotism.
Talking about being hired with Giants years ago, his dream job. Mara and Tisch families are good people.
Last 6 years have been crappy- all deserve blame.
Talking about Chris Mara and Tim McConnell. Weis says those two are the two best people in that organization. Says Chris Mara isn't GM only because of his name! They don't want their family being viewed that way.
Weis hired Tim MCConnell who Weis said he was one of the most valuable guys at the University (ND) and was kept on after Weis left. Mara's have a rule you can't start working with Giants you must go elsewhere first.
Papa and Weis (BBI was just mentioned specifically by Papa) and Papa is sick of arguing with people about Chris Mara. The league has offered him jobs elsewhere but doesn't because he is an owner of this team. Weis again talks about how Chris Mara is one of the BEST there is but fans think they know more than they do.
...apart from Mara and McDonell who are the smartest and best men he's ever known.
Makes sense.
Nailed OBJ pick for a few years but it died quickly.
Held on to Eli too LONG out of a sense of loyalty- that many fans here are victims of too.
Drafted Barkley when we should not have done that and then made it worse by having DG continue to run a team as if it were the 1980's.
...apart from Mara and McDonell who are the smartest and best men he's ever known.
Makes sense.
That is not what he said or what I wrote but, feel free to read into that.
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Last 6 years (make that 10) have been a disaster and everyone deserves blame...
...apart from Mara and McDonell who are the smartest and best men he's ever known.
Makes sense.
That is not what he said or what I wrote but, feel free to read into that.
"Last 6 years have been crappy- all deserve blame"
"Weis says those two are the two best people in that organization"
That is literally what you wrote?
In all honesty and without sarcasm, I'd be happy to give either the GM spot. It would at least show that they have a set of balls, maybe that will translate onto the field.
And by the way, did papa leak that he posts here? Hi Bob!
Agreed and he did say his issue was the article painting this situation as a nepotism issue. Many here make the same mistakes the Giants have made- but from a fandom perspective.
Charlie said everyone deserves blame for what has happened over the last 6 years but to blame Mara like he doesn't belong and has a job because of name only was Weis's biggest issue.
So, I'm glad that's cleared up...
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In comment 15550878 madeinstars said:
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Last 6 years (make that 10) have been a disaster and everyone deserves blame...
...apart from Mara and McDonell who are the smartest and best men he's ever known.
Makes sense.
That is not what he said or what I wrote but, feel free to read into that.
"Last 6 years have been crappy- all deserve blame"
"Weis says those two are the two best people in that organization"
That is literally what you wrote?
Again, where does that say they are above blame? The point was people argue they have jobs because of family only. Leonard Williams was the best Dlinemen we had this year, was he above any blame for what happened? No but still is the best player we had on the Dline.
That doesn't entirely exonerate Chris, as he's actively contributing evaluations of players, presumably many are being drafted by the decision makers (or missed) due to his/their scouting work.
Chris Mara - Head of Football Operations
let Chris hire a GM and ensure the GM and HC work well together
He's one of best,you dummies just don't get it.Yeah alright,have another doughnut Charlie.
I'm sure the Maras and their progeny want the Giants to win and are doing their best. Even though there have been multiple reports that it is a meritocracy and it has nothing to do with ancestry, all of the supporting arguments to dispel nepotism or undue influence are tautological. I doubt we'll ever see or be privy to real systemic review. Even the best intentions can be negated by bad process or execution.
Oh yeah totally I believe that someone who has overseen one of the worst teams in football over the last 10 years is getting tons of calls to work for a different team than the team he is part owner of. I wonder if people even try to say it like this before they spout of their bullshit or they just assume we are idiots.
Therefore, we have to conclude John is making a horrible mistake not doing it.
Or do we?
He currently is doing work with Herm Edwards (mentioned he was with Antonio PIerce- helping coaches with coaching advice and skills to become HC's). Specifically mentioning Pierce as a HC down the road, how much he has followed Pierce's career.
And Weis says Chris has been offered other NFL jobs but doesn't take them because he is an owner of the Giants.
Other teams don't know this?
McDonnell also won't be able to work for any other NFL team. So he isn't going anywhere.
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that Chris Mara and Tim McDonald contribute information and opinions to the decision-making process, but that the GM and the HC make the final decisions. This place has become filled with myths based on limited to no information. A couple of these guys are being maligned without any specific facts other than the overall failures of the organiztion.
That doesn't entirely exonerate Chris, as he's actively contributing evaluations of players, presumably many are being drafted by the decision makers (or missed) due to his/their scouting work.
We have no idea whether his advice is followed or not. This place has made him evil based on projection, not facts.
Lets all hope Tim is the boy wonder he is portrayed as.
Makes sense to me.
And I don't think anyone else is really beating it to death either. Almost all the posts about Chris Mara yesterday were in the vain of "Stop obsessing about Chris Mara!!!"
People need a villain. For some here it is Chris Mara. For the rest, the villain is anyone saying Chris Mara's name.
5:25 p.m., the Giants draft Bobby Hart, offensive lineman from Florida State, with the No. 226 overall pick
Hart was on Mara’s short list here. He’d been discussed a few weeks ago, in pre-draft meetings, as someone who might be there for the taking in the seventh round.
“Once the draft is over, the hardest guys to sign are those big-bodied guys,” Mara says. “They go quickly, because everybody needs them. One of our shortcomings is the offensive line, so we focused on a guy who played at a major level of competition at FSU, a big offensive lineman who can come in and maybe make the team.”
Given Hart was on the three names he sent back to Tim, it seems to me at least that Chris has a little more sway with who gets drafted than what's being said/reported.
Chris loves the ponies - ( New Window )
Again, if Chris is as good as Weis and Papa say - and that there is this big market for him, but the ownership piece gets in the way - than his brother is making a huge mistake keeping such a talented evaluator out of the GM chair.
So, I'd be okay with Chris as the GM to prove once and for all if Chris is really this good.
I guess it's coming into light now that maybe the true rising stars in the organization are Chris (and Tim) afterall. And that everybody else is holding them back.
Not for nothing, that would be classic!
Love the offseason...
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In comment 15550878 madeinstars said:
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Last 6 years (make that 10) have been a disaster and everyone deserves blame...
...apart from Mara and McDonell who are the smartest and best men he's ever known.
Makes sense.
That is not what he said or what I wrote but, feel free to read into that.
"Last 6 years have been crappy- all deserve blame"
"Weis says those two are the two best people in that organization"
That is literally what you wrote?
Yes. But he didn't write, "smartest and best men he's ever known."
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I think Chris probably would be GM if his last name was Smith, not Mara. Then again...he probably isn't where he is now without his last name.
Again, if Chris is as good as Weis and Papa say - and that there is this big market for him, but the ownership piece gets in the way - than his brother is making a huge mistake keeping such a talented evaluator out of the GM chair.
So, I'd be okay with Chris as the GM to prove once and for all if Chris is really this good.
Its been stated by several talking heads that Tisch has vetoed this move.
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I think Chris probably would be GM if his last name was Smith, not Mara. Then again...he probably isn't where he is now without his last name.
Again, if Chris is as good as Weis and Papa say - and that there is this big market for him, but the ownership piece gets in the way - than his brother is making a huge mistake keeping such a talented evaluator out of the GM chair.
So, I'd be okay with Chris as the GM to prove once and for all if Chris is really this good.
Its been stated by several talking heads that Tisch has vetoed this move.
Maybe now Tisch understands the error in his ways and to not let external perception get in the way of a great football mind doing what he was born to do!
Sounds like the Giants either have an untapped resource or he was stymied by Gettleman’s bad decisions.
Seems like a major bummer the Giants had this ace in the hole, and have suffered through a decade of questionable amateur and pro personnel decisions.
To me, it's silly to see the great lengths John and Giants media go to defend Chris Mara and try to turn down the gas on the nepotism flame. To me, it's a ploy to divert attention away from the fact that he is in an accountability-free position in the football operation, which is otherwise a job with the ultimate measure of accountability (W:L).
Bottom line... we've sucked for a long time, everyone in that operation has a hand in it.
2 - if they are so good at their jobs, why does this teams drafting and free agent signings SUCK over the last 10 years?
3 - if they are so good at their jobs and well respected, why do they have no authority at all?
4 - when you hire family and give them real titles, these concerns are going to be raised. if you don't like it, don't put yourself in this position
5 - chris mara would NOT be hired by another team to be a GM. i mean why would he if all he does is do scouting reports and upload them into a system.....
TC was a good man who knew more football thank all of the Mara's combined, yet he got fired. That is what happens when you have losing seasons. Except if you're an owner cosplaying as a GM.