The good news is the Giants are still getting bombarded by execs & their reps trying to get added to the GM interview list of 9. It's already a strong list...And word is Joe Schoen, among the presumptive favorites, certainly didn't hurt himself yesterday.
MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did
Did Mara not say himself he did was not in favor of firing another coach after two years?
After the vote of confidence, there was a 6 game losing streak with 5 blowout losses and a string of public follies and Judge was still thrown a lifeline and hung on for two more days of meetings and deliberations and was talk of passing the can to a new GM to fire him.
So he did it, but it was about as fluid as yanking teeth out.
If you no longer believed in the coach, why did it take this long? That loss is what sealed the deal and not all the meltdowns that led to it?
MANY have said here we could never attract a good GM - the list is VERY strong
MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did
MANY have said he wont see the reality of situation - he literally did exactly that
Yes, add this development to the never-ending list that proves the Giants skeptics are always wrong, and the Giants optimists always enjoy the last laugh.
GM gets to pick his own coach
Build his own scouting staff
Basically has a blank canvas of a roster (not saddled with a QB and can decide who he wants).
And not pressure to win right away with our cap situation (just have a direction).
There is some talent here.
To get 0 TDs from Golladay is ridiculous. Nothing in the red zone from Rudolph. 0 TDs from Toney.
Someone can step in here and get these proven commodities functioning to expected levels they'll look like a genius.
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BBI knows jack shit. This is a great forum who has some seriously good posters but in the grand scheme, majority here overreact and have these stupid knee jerk reaction hot takes.
MANY have said here we could never attract a good GM - the list is VERY strong
MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did
MANY have said he wont see the reality of situation - he literally did exactly that
Yes, add this development to the never-ending list that proves the Giants skeptics are always wrong, and the Giants optimists always enjoy the last laugh.
Optimists often overreact to positive news, while pessimists often overreact to negative news. Add in the factor of wanting to be right and you get debates with no end.
If true, that's good news. But I was sold when I heard the list of candidates that are currently lined up for interviews! I am truly hopeful that this is the offseason that sets the franchise up for many years of success.
Apparently they can't be just glossed over in an idiotic rant about no "excuses" lol.
*Get to lead the search for your head coach
*Mara has shown a willingness to spend loads of money
*If you can get this team to the playoffs, you have a job for life
A lot is brought up about the ownership, but my guess is a lot of the spots with GM openings have highly involved owners.
Yeah, there are definitely attractive aspects, and the challenge alone is going to appeal to certain personalities, as will the potential opportunity to mold what's nearly blank slate to their liking. Getting people in the interview door won't be a problem.
Whether we're more favorable than another team when the time comes to consider offers is yet unknown.
And though the personnel department and rosters are a mess that need fixing, the Giants still have a long standing rep as an organization that,once you're an employee,, the Giants try to do everything in a first-class way. Even if you move on. Once a Giant, always a Giant.
Yeah. Who would want that when you could work for the Dan Snyders' of the league? Or the Jets.
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MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did
Did Mara not say himself he did was not in favor of firing another coach after two years?
After the vote of confidence, there was a 6 game losing streak with 5 blowout losses and a string of public follies and Judge was still thrown a lifeline and hung on for two more days of meetings and deliberations and was talk of passing the can to a new GM to fire him.
So he did it, but it was about as fluid as yanking teeth out.
If you no longer believed in the coach, why did it take this long? That loss is what sealed the deal and not all the meltdowns that led to it?
come on man. he isnt going to out his coach that earlier...he is of course going to say he has confidence in him.
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BBI knows jack shit. This is a great forum who has some seriously good posters but in the grand scheme, majority here overreact and have these stupid knee jerk reaction hot takes.
MANY have said here we could never attract a good GM - the list is VERY strong
MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did
MANY have said he wont see the reality of situation - he literally did exactly that
Yes, add this development to the never-ending list that proves the Giants skeptics are always wrong, and the Giants optimists always enjoy the last laugh.
its not about the last laugh but it certainly is nice to see some of the same guys with the same lame hot takes be wrong on those things. sure there are posters here who are overly optimistic and im not saying thats the way to be but 9 times out of 10, give me the guy who believes in can happen versus the guy who says no way. believing is important.
that being said, i consider myself in the realist category. have i been wrong? of course. its life. but overall, i like to think im in the middle on pessimism and optimism
- despite recent events, this is still known as a class place to come with class ownership that are at the Rooney level of history in the NFL. That matters to football guys.
- good draft capital
-there’s almost nowhere to go but up. Seriously. You could throw darts and do better. The comparisons will be easy, you’re not following a legend.
- you have a very chastened, almost desperate ownership group
- there’s a lot needed, but you have an OLT one of the hardest positions to fill. Get the OL up to average around him and they’ll look miles better.
- if you believe a better coach can get more out of these guys, you can look and see a roster with a few more wins in it now.
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- win in NYG and you get a parade in the canyon of heroes, there’s nothing like that, winning here is winning on the biggest stage
Exactly!!! This is what's going on. Easy payday with no effort to just be a mouthpiece for Chris Mara
I said this yesterday. These are New York F'n Giants. You come here and win a Super Bowl there's a good shot you're going to the NFL HOF.
The Giants have some talent in place. They also have some gapping holes and they have no cap money for 2022. But the 2023 cap situation isn't an issue at all and they have 5 picks in the 100 this year.
The biggest obstacle to winning big is that they do not have an elite or potentially elite QB. The new GM will have to solve that one.
I said this yesterday. These are New York F'n Giants. You come here and win a Super Bowl there's a good shot you're going to the NFL HOF.
The Giants have some talent in place. They also have some gapping holes and they have no cap money for 2022. But the 2023 cap situation isn't an issue at all and they have 5 picks in the 100 this year.
The biggest obstacle to winning big is that they do not have an elite or potentially elite QB. The new GM will have to solve that one.
So like any other job in the NFL?
I know shit from shinola, but Schoen and Horitz seem to be the cream. Love the Baltimore roots with Horitz. Cannot believe anybody had been a better GM than Ozzie Newsome was, so people that learned under him a likely well schooled. Schoen has built a nice team in Buffalo.
Apparently they can't be just glossed over in an idiotic rant about no "excuses" lol.
The Tennessee Titans ranked 3rd in games missed due to injuries (336) behind the Giants 356. Those injuries included arguably the best RB in the NFL (D. Henry) and a top 5 WR (AJ Brown).
Maybe injuries don't have to be an excuse...if you have a GM and head coach that actually know what they are doing. Maybe you can even become the #1 playoff seed in your conference.
Oh by the way, the Ravens who ranked 2nd in games misssed (343) were in the playoff hunt going into the last game of the season.
*Get to lead the search for your head coach
*Mara has shown a willingness to spend loads of money
*If you can get this team to the playoffs, you have a job for life
A lot is brought up about the ownership, but my guess is a lot of the spots with GM openings have highly involved owners.
Agree 100%. About the only detriment for this team is the salary cap situation
MANY have said here we could never attract a good GM - the list is VERY strong
MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did
MANY have said he wont see the reality of situation - he literally did exactly that
those are just a few examples but there are SOOOO many. I LOVE BBI. i view the forum MANY times per day. it is an amazing place for discussion, news, and information but one thing that this place could do without is all of the goddamn knee jerk reaction and these wild hot takes like nobody is gonna want the giants job. NEWS FLASH. ANYONE WHO IS GETTING A PROMOTION (going from vp of pp to GM or assistant Gm to GM) WILL TAKE THE JOB. Add on top of that it is a historic franchise and we do have some nice pieces in place plus a ton of good draft captial.
This may hurt some peoples ears but PEOPLE STILL WANT TO WORK FOR THIS ORG.
We are going to get a very solid GM candidate and a strong coach candidate will follow. Guaranteed to work? noooo BUT if it doesnt, there will be another list of both for the job.
I get it fans are reactive and often times unreasonable but we have raised it to an art form here on BBI. that being said, i love the place and i am going nowhere! hahahaha
Agree. All you have to do is start a thread with QB and invariable the same posters jump on Daniel Jones. LOL
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this gutter organization, so this is surprising.
LOL, you just have to laugh at how this has played out so far.
Boomer and Gio spent all morning talking about the "horrible" situation NYG presents for these guys.
Obviously not.
Wait, those two morons are still on?
So the GM gets to
1. Pick HC
2. Has several very high draft picks 2022 and can maneuver as he sees fit. I think Mara involvement will be low the first two years waiting on results to jump in or stay out.
3. Free to unload any player. Mara spoke to that.
4. Can gut the team and stink and the fans will be happy getting a very high pick in 2023 and feel they have a plan.
Start of 2023 he has a young, talented OL with several impact D players and a top rookie QB prospect on year 1 of his contract.
Pretty good deal.
Yup, I’ve killed this franchise consistently for the past 5 years. By finally committing to the tear down they have remedied lots of the ailments. The reality is the maras crave stability. This position is extremely attractive for a million reasons. Not the least of which is the fact that mild competence is a huge step up. If the GM has the ability to speak coherently he may be here 10 years
Hallelujah!
It wasn't really a search then. We all knew it at the time. And had this season had not gone south so quickly, Abrams would be holding his inaugural press conference right now. We all know it.
They weren't thinking. John felt like he owed it to DG to hand him the job.
It's a huge win for fans if John Mara was sufficiently humbled by his failures that he has decided to quit the responsibility of handpicking coaches and GMs.
Depends how the candidate views Fields. If they see an elite QB then it's no contest, the Bears job is better than both.
I really believe that Mara thought that things weren't that bad and he had Gettleman sitting in his pocket as a guy that could quickly right the ship using the "Giant's Way" This was by far the worst decision he has ever made!
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are probably more coveted than the Bears for sure.
Depends how the candidate views Fields. If they see an elite QB then it's no contest, the Bears job is better than both.
Elite?
Hahahahahahahaha. Riiiiiight.
This is an interesting thread from the archives of what BBI was thinking at that time back in Dec 2017. Some were seeing right thru the GM search nonsense...and many were not
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=562090&show_all=1
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are probably more coveted than the Bears for sure.
Depends how the candidate views Fields. If they see an elite QB then it's no contest, the Bears job is better than both.
Elite?
Hahahahahahahaha. Riiiiiight.
You may have closed the book on Fields but many have not. He had some decent moments in what was an up and down rookie season.
The bears are blowing out the coaching staff and front office. The whole situation was in upheaval and Nagy was a buffoon.
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only makes their limited search 4 years ago look even worse. What were they thinking?
This is an interesting thread from the archives of what BBI was thinking at that time back in Dec 2017. Some were seeing right thru the GM search nonsense...and many were not
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=562090&show_all=1
too good not to share
is it because we can't handle the truth?
too good not to share
ron that was great...
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are probably more coveted than the Bears for sure.
Depends how the candidate views Fields. If they see an elite QB then it's no contest, the Bears job is better than both.
Elite?
Hahahahahahahaha. Riiiiiight.
You may have closed the book on Fields but many have not. He had some decent moments in what was an up and down rookie season.
There is an enormous gap between “elite” and closing the book on him.
Until proven otherwise, Fields isn’t in the stratosphere of being considered elite.
The bears are blowing out the coaching staff and front office. The whole situation was in upheaval and Nagy was a buffoon.
Completely agree, I've seen Fields make some throws this year that made me take a 2nd look. WAY too early to close the book on him.
I just think that a GM candidate might rather have his own choice at QB. A new GM in Chicago is going to have to give Fields next year at least, where here he can start fresh. I think that is appealing to most candidates.
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are probably more coveted than the Bears for sure.
Depends how the candidate views Fields. If they see an elite QB then it's no contest, the Bears job is better than both.
Elite?
Hahahahahahahaha. Riiiiiight.
You may have closed the book on Fields but many have not. He had some decent moments in what was an up and down rookie season.
There is an enormous gap between “elite” and closing the book on him.
Until proven otherwise, Fields isn’t in the stratosphere of being considered elite.
You're just being argumentative. Fields obviously still has a high ceiling. it's why Chicago traded an extra first to get him. I don't really get your point.
He was drafted a franchise QB. Many still feel he has that upside. If a candidate sees that in him - then for that candidate Chicago is the better situation.
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are probably more coveted than the Bears for sure.
Depends how the candidate views Fields. If they see an elite QB then it's no contest, the Bears job is better than both.
Elite?
Hahahahahahahaha. Riiiiiight.
You may have closed the book on Fields but many have not. He had some decent moments in what was an up and down rookie season.
You just described Daniel Jone's rookie year
I know there are those who believe this team is mostly void of talent. But IMHO, this team in spite of its performance and record in 2021,has a number of good pieces in place (particularly at the skilled positions) to the point if they draft properly (in key positions) they could show significant improvement next year.
As a GM looking to make a name for their-self, its not as bad a situation as some might believe. I would rather inherit this team than the one DG inherited.