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bigblue12 : 1/13/2022 10:40 am
The good news is the Giants are still getting bombarded by execs & their reps trying to get added to the GM interview list of 9. It's already a strong list...And word is Joe Schoen, among the presumptive favorites, certainly didn't hurt himself yesterday.
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pretty sure no one wants to work for  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2022 10:41 am : link
this gutter organization, so this is surprising.
Who we get will tell us a lot  
Bill in UT : 1/13/2022 10:44 am : link
about what the power structure will be going forward.
I'vs heard the GM.is only a.fugure head for Chris Mara at BBI  
George from PA : 1/13/2022 10:46 am : link
.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 1/13/2022 10:46 am : link
A moron like Dave Gettleman got four years. With no HC in place, I see why this is an attractive spot.
RE: pretty sure no one wants to work for  
Chris684 : 1/13/2022 10:47 am : link
In comment 15550949 UConn4523 said:
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this gutter organization, so this is surprising.


LOL, you just have to laugh at how this has played out so far.

Boomer and Gio spent all morning talking about the "horrible" situation NYG presents for these guys.

Obviously not.
Sy'  
Biteymax22 : 1/13/2022 10:47 am : link
We are willing to write you a letter of recommendation
RE: RE: pretty sure no one wants to work for  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2022 10:50 am : link
In comment 15550969 Chris684 said:
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In comment 15550949 UConn4523 said:


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this gutter organization, so this is surprising.



LOL, you just have to laugh at how this has played out so far.

Boomer and Gio spent all morning talking about the "horrible" situation NYG presents for these guys.

Obviously not.


People are so predictable. They see who plays QB, who the top players on a team are, and their recent record and determine whether or not its a good place for a new GM or HC to want to work. They know everything apparently.

Outside of being a bad team for a while there isn't anything to suggest working for the Giants isn't highly desirable. Nothing. And being bad is why there is even the opening to begin with so it just doesn't compute.
5 years salary  
uther99 : 1/13/2022 10:52 am : link
for two years work? sign me up
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2022 10:52 am : link
I am sure firing JJ helped us out.
2 first round draft picks  
Bergen346 : 1/13/2022 10:54 am : link
some young talent on the backend of the defense

a left tackle that looks like he could be around for a very long time

a desperate owner who just wants to win....

who WOULDNT want this job
I believe  
GiantGrit : 1/13/2022 10:58 am : link
Mara's press conference helped. He needed to publicly make comments on allowing the GM to lead a HC search. A lot different than talking behind closed doors.

Historic franchise who (seemingly) is finally willing to allow an outside perspective into the office.

I'm glad they already have 9 interviews scheduled, when you've been this bad you have no reason to not hear out a lot of different perspectives.
RE: ...  
Chris684 : 1/13/2022 10:58 am : link
In comment 15550990 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I am sure firing JJ helped us out.


Sure but if we're being fair, going all the way back to early this season, when talking about this offseason people conveniently only talk about the tight cap coming up.

No mention about the decision trade back and accumulate more picks was a function of them understanding that and so they planned for a way to still be able to acquire talent even with the cap being tight for a year.

Narratives can be spun any way people want to spin them.
RE: RE: RE: pretty sure no one wants to work for  
Breeze_94 : 1/13/2022 11:02 am : link
In comment 15550982 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15550969 Chris684 said:


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In comment 15550949 UConn4523 said:


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this gutter organization, so this is surprising.



LOL, you just have to laugh at how this has played out so far.

Boomer and Gio spent all morning talking about the "horrible" situation NYG presents for these guys.

Obviously not.



People are so predictable. They see who plays QB, who the top players on a team are, and their recent record and determine whether or not its a good place for a new GM or HC to want to work. They know everything apparently.

Outside of being a bad team for a while there isn't anything to suggest working for the Giants isn't highly desirable. Nothing. And being bad is why there is even the opening to begin with so it just doesn't compute.


I’d even argue that inheriting a bad roster like the Giants is desirable for a GM. Affords them a longer leash, gives them better draft capital, and allows them to truly construct the roster as the desire. The Giants have almost 0 players the new GM has to commit to/is handcuffed to. I think there are 4 building blocks (AT, Ojulari, McKinney, Toney), a few good vets under contract (Adoree, LW, Golladay) and the rest can be replaced in the next 1-2 years
guys the fact is  
BleedBlue : 1/13/2022 11:05 am : link
BBI knows jack shit. This is a great forum who has some seriously good posters but in the grand scheme, majority here overreact and have these stupid knee jerk reaction hot takes.

MANY have said here we could never attract a good GM - the list is VERY strong

MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did

MANY have said he wont see the reality of situation - he literally did exactly that

those are just a few examples but there are SOOOO many. I LOVE BBI. i view the forum MANY times per day. it is an amazing place for discussion, news, and information but one thing that this place could do without is all of the goddamn knee jerk reaction and these wild hot takes like nobody is gonna want the giants job. NEWS FLASH. ANYONE WHO IS GETTING A PROMOTION (going from vp of pp to GM or assistant Gm to GM) WILL TAKE THE JOB. Add on top of that it is a historic franchise and we do have some nice pieces in place plus a ton of good draft captial.

This may hurt some peoples ears but PEOPLE STILL WANT TO WORK FOR THIS ORG.

We are going to get a very solid GM candidate and a strong coach candidate will follow. Guaranteed to work? noooo BUT if it doesnt, there will be another list of both for the job.

I get it fans are reactive and often times unreasonable but we have raised it to an art form here on BBI. that being said, i love the place and i am going nowhere! hahahaha
RE: RE: pretty sure no one wants to work for  
Section331 : 1/13/2022 11:07 am : link
In comment 15550969 Chris684 said:
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In comment 15550949 UConn4523 said:


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this gutter organization, so this is surprising.



LOL, you just have to laugh at how this has played out so far.

Boomer and Gio spent all morning talking about the "horrible" situation NYG presents for these guys.

Obviously not.


FAN needs to feed outrage, it keeps listeners tuning in.

I actually think this job is more attractive than most. No HC a new GM has to be tied to, he can move on from the QB pretty easily, he has 2 top 10 picks, and 5 in the top 80. The Giants are a blank canvas, any reputable candidate is going to want to make his mark like this.

The only downside I see is the cap situation next year, but that also gives the new GM a little breathing room. There are no expectations for next year, so be bold. These are competitive guys, and rebuilding one of the bedrock franchises in the league, in NY no less, has to be an exciting possibility.
This has to be the best open spot for a GM  
AdamBrag : 1/13/2022 11:10 am : link
*2 picks in the top 10, 5 picks in the first 3 rounds
*Get to lead the search for your head coach
*Mara has shown a willingness to spend loads of money
*If you can get this team to the playoffs, you have a job for life

A lot is brought up about the ownership, but my guess is a lot of the spots with GM openings have highly involved owners.

RE: guys the fact is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2022 11:11 am : link
In comment 15551029 BleedBlue said:
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MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did


Did Mara not say himself he did was not in favor of firing another coach after two years?

After the vote of confidence, there was a 6 game losing streak with 5 blowout losses and a string of public follies and Judge was still thrown a lifeline and hung on for two more days of meetings and deliberations and was talk of passing the can to a new GM to fire him.

So he did it, but it was about as fluid as yanking teeth out.

If you no longer believed in the coach, why did it take this long? That loss is what sealed the deal and not all the meltdowns that led to it?
RE: guys the fact is  
santacruzom : 1/13/2022 11:11 am : link
In comment 15551029 BleedBlue said:
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BBI knows jack shit. This is a great forum who has some seriously good posters but in the grand scheme, majority here overreact and have these stupid knee jerk reaction hot takes.

MANY have said here we could never attract a good GM - the list is VERY strong

MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did

MANY have said he wont see the reality of situation - he literally did exactly that


Yes, add this development to the never-ending list that proves the Giants skeptics are always wrong, and the Giants optimists always enjoy the last laugh.
since the judge firing its a pretty attractive job  
mphbullet36 : 1/13/2022 11:11 am : link
assuming the Mara's don't meddle.

GM gets to pick his own coach

Build his own scouting staff

Basically has a blank canvas of a roster (not saddled with a QB and can decide who he wants).

And not pressure to win right away with our cap situation (just have a direction).
The other point is -  
mittenedman : 1/13/2022 11:14 am : link
this team isn't nearly as bad as it looked.

There is some talent here.

To get 0 TDs from Golladay is ridiculous. Nothing in the red zone from Rudolph. 0 TDs from Toney.

Someone can step in here and get these proven commodities functioning to expected levels they'll look like a genius.
RE: RE: guys the fact is  
Slowasski : 1/13/2022 11:14 am : link
In comment 15551049 santacruzom said:
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In comment 15551029 BleedBlue said:


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BBI knows jack shit. This is a great forum who has some seriously good posters but in the grand scheme, majority here overreact and have these stupid knee jerk reaction hot takes.

MANY have said here we could never attract a good GM - the list is VERY strong

MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did

MANY have said he wont see the reality of situation - he literally did exactly that



Yes, add this development to the never-ending list that proves the Giants skeptics are always wrong, and the Giants optimists always enjoy the last laugh.


Optimists often overreact to positive news, while pessimists often overreact to negative news. Add in the factor of wanting to be right and you get debates with no end.
State Run Media...  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/13/2022 11:15 am : link
...is still working hard jk 😂

If true, that's good news. But I was sold when I heard the list of candidates that are currently lined up for interviews! I am truly hopeful that this is the offseason that sets the franchise up for many years of success.
It’s the lead job…  
Chris in Philly : 1/13/2022 11:15 am : link
of an NFL team in New York City with ownership that is willing to spend money. Anyone saying good people wouldn’t want the job is an idiot.
And believe it or not, injuries are a major factor  
Chris684 : 1/13/2022 11:15 am : link
Who knew!?

Apparently they can't be just glossed over in an idiotic rant about no "excuses" lol.
RE: This has to be the best open spot for a GM  
santacruzom : 1/13/2022 11:17 am : link
In comment 15551047 AdamBrag said:
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*2 picks in the top 10, 5 picks in the first 3 rounds
*Get to lead the search for your head coach
*Mara has shown a willingness to spend loads of money
*If you can get this team to the playoffs, you have a job for life

A lot is brought up about the ownership, but my guess is a lot of the spots with GM openings have highly involved owners.


Yeah, there are definitely attractive aspects, and the challenge alone is going to appeal to certain personalities, as will the potential opportunity to mold what's nearly blank slate to their liking. Getting people in the interview door won't be a problem.

Whether we're more favorable than another team when the time comes to consider offers is yet unknown.
Yeah, it's just brain-dead around here  
David B. : 1/13/2022 11:18 am : link
Who would want to work in NY? The biggest market in the league. Who would want to work for a guy like Mara who sees the best in you (even when you suck), and tries like hell to find reasons to keep you and NOT fire you? Even when he should move on.

And though the personnel department and rosters are a mess that need fixing, the Giants still have a long standing rep as an organization that,once you're an employee,, the Giants try to do everything in a first-class way. Even if you move on. Once a Giant, always a Giant.

Yeah. Who would want that when you could work for the Dan Snyders' of the league? Or the Jets.
RE: RE: guys the fact is  
BleedBlue : 1/13/2022 11:18 am : link
In comment 15551048 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15551029 BleedBlue said:


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MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did



Did Mara not say himself he did was not in favor of firing another coach after two years?

After the vote of confidence, there was a 6 game losing streak with 5 blowout losses and a string of public follies and Judge was still thrown a lifeline and hung on for two more days of meetings and deliberations and was talk of passing the can to a new GM to fire him.

So he did it, but it was about as fluid as yanking teeth out.

If you no longer believed in the coach, why did it take this long? That loss is what sealed the deal and not all the meltdowns that led to it?


come on man. he isnt going to out his coach that earlier...he is of course going to say he has confidence in him.
RE: RE: guys the fact is  
BleedBlue : 1/13/2022 11:20 am : link
In comment 15551049 santacruzom said:
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In comment 15551029 BleedBlue said:


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BBI knows jack shit. This is a great forum who has some seriously good posters but in the grand scheme, majority here overreact and have these stupid knee jerk reaction hot takes.

MANY have said here we could never attract a good GM - the list is VERY strong

MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did

MANY have said he wont see the reality of situation - he literally did exactly that



Yes, add this development to the never-ending list that proves the Giants skeptics are always wrong, and the Giants optimists always enjoy the last laugh.


its not about the last laugh but it certainly is nice to see some of the same guys with the same lame hot takes be wrong on those things. sure there are posters here who are overly optimistic and im not saying thats the way to be but 9 times out of 10, give me the guy who believes in can happen versus the guy who says no way. believing is important.

that being said, i consider myself in the realist category. have i been wrong? of course. its life. but overall, i like to think im in the middle on pessimism and optimism
This job has challenges  
Daniel in MI : 1/13/2022 11:21 am : link
For sure, but it also has a lot of attractive things in no particular order:

- despite recent events, this is still known as a class place to come with class ownership that are at the Rooney level of history in the NFL. That matters to football guys.

- good draft capital

-there’s almost nowhere to go but up. Seriously. You could throw darts and do better. The comparisons will be easy, you’re not following a legend.

- you have a very chastened, almost desperate ownership group

- there’s a lot needed, but you have an OLT one of the hardest positions to fill. Get the OL up to average around him and they’ll look miles better.

- if you believe a better coach can get more out of these guys, you can look and see a roster with a few more wins in it now.

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- win in NYG and you get a parade in the canyon of heroes, there’s nothing like that, winning here is winning on the biggest stage

RE: 5 years salary  
MartyNJ1969 : 1/13/2022 11:25 am : link
In comment 15550985 uther99 said:
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for two years work? sign me up


Exactly!!! This is what's going on. Easy payday with no effort to just be a mouthpiece for Chris Mara
Some of you people…  
Chris in Philly : 1/13/2022 11:27 am : link
live in an alternate reality.
Is there a confirmed interview with Hortiz?  
arniefez : 1/13/2022 11:29 am : link
I hope so. The Ravens are amazing the way they keep plugging in the next guy and keep winning. I know they have a great coach. But he'll get to pick his coach.

I said this yesterday. These are New York F'n Giants. You come here and win a Super Bowl there's a good shot you're going to the NFL HOF.

The Giants have some talent in place. They also have some gapping holes and they have no cap money for 2022. But the 2023 cap situation isn't an issue at all and they have 5 picks in the 100 this year.

The biggest obstacle to winning big is that they do not have an elite or potentially elite QB. The new GM will have to solve that one.
There will always  
Thegratefulhead : 1/13/2022 11:32 am : link
Be people that have never been a GM before that will want this job. You put your foot in whatever door has a crack in it. I could easily see how a proven GM might not want to come here though.
RE: Is there a confirmed interview with Hortiz?  
Thegratefulhead : 1/13/2022 11:34 am : link
In comment 15551125 arniefez said:
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I hope so. The Ravens are amazing the way they keep plugging in the next guy and keep winning. I know they have a great coach. But he'll get to pick his coach.

I said this yesterday. These are New York F'n Giants. You come here and win a Super Bowl there's a good shot you're going to the NFL HOF.

The Giants have some talent in place. They also have some gapping holes and they have no cap money for 2022. But the 2023 cap situation isn't an issue at all and they have 5 picks in the 100 this year.

The biggest obstacle to winning big is that they do not have an elite or potentially elite QB. The new GM will have to solve that one.
Agreed.
Great job  
JoeMorrison40 : 1/13/2022 11:34 am : link
If it goes south and you are fired, your remaining contract payments enable a future free of financial stress.
RE: Great job  
Chris in Philly : 1/13/2022 11:43 am : link
In comment 15551154 JoeMorrison40 said:
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If it goes south and you are fired, your remaining contract payments enable a future free of financial stress.


So like any other job in the NFL?
It is a very attractive job for GM candidates  
Walker Gillette : 1/13/2022 11:48 am : link
as the Giants have shown patience with GMs. For coaching candidates it is not nearly attractive. The potential coaches who are in demand from other teams will really have to believe in the new GM and will have to get some assurances from ownership that they will be given some time as rebuilding the offense is going to likely take a while and the Giants have been going through too many coaches over the last few years.
Who knew?  
section125 : 1/13/2022 11:52 am : link
I do believe letting Judge go was what tipped the scales for most of the "prime" candidates. Basically, a free hand. May lead to a VP/Director of Football Operations job if he builds a successful team.

I know shit from shinola, but Schoen and Horitz seem to be the cream. Love the Baltimore roots with Horitz. Cannot believe anybody had been a better GM than Ozzie Newsome was, so people that learned under him a likely well schooled. Schoen has built a nice team in Buffalo.
RE: And believe it or not, injuries are a major factor  
BlueVinnie : 1/13/2022 11:55 am : link
In comment 15551065 Chris684 said:
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Who knew!?

Apparently they can't be just glossed over in an idiotic rant about no "excuses" lol.


The Tennessee Titans ranked 3rd in games missed due to injuries (336) behind the Giants 356. Those injuries included arguably the best RB in the NFL (D. Henry) and a top 5 WR (AJ Brown).

Maybe injuries don't have to be an excuse...if you have a GM and head coach that actually know what they are doing. Maybe you can even become the #1 playoff seed in your conference.

Oh by the way, the Ravens who ranked 2nd in games misssed (343) were in the playoff hunt going into the last game of the season.
RE: This has to be the best open spot for a GM  
LTIsTheGreatest : 1/13/2022 11:58 am : link
In comment 15551047 AdamBrag said:
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*2 picks in the top 10, 5 picks in the first 3 rounds
*Get to lead the search for your head coach
*Mara has shown a willingness to spend loads of money
*If you can get this team to the playoffs, you have a job for life

A lot is brought up about the ownership, but my guess is a lot of the spots with GM openings have highly involved owners.


Agree 100%. About the only detriment for this team is the salary cap situation
RE: guys the fact is  
joe48 : 1/13/2022 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15551029 BleedBlue said:
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BBI knows jack shit. This is a great forum who has some seriously good posters but in the grand scheme, majority here overreact and have these stupid knee jerk reaction hot takes.

MANY have said here we could never attract a good GM - the list is VERY strong

MANY have said mara wont get rid of coach again after two years - he did

MANY have said he wont see the reality of situation - he literally did exactly that

those are just a few examples but there are SOOOO many. I LOVE BBI. i view the forum MANY times per day. it is an amazing place for discussion, news, and information but one thing that this place could do without is all of the goddamn knee jerk reaction and these wild hot takes like nobody is gonna want the giants job. NEWS FLASH. ANYONE WHO IS GETTING A PROMOTION (going from vp of pp to GM or assistant Gm to GM) WILL TAKE THE JOB. Add on top of that it is a historic franchise and we do have some nice pieces in place plus a ton of good draft captial.

This may hurt some peoples ears but PEOPLE STILL WANT TO WORK FOR THIS ORG.

We are going to get a very solid GM candidate and a strong coach candidate will follow. Guaranteed to work? noooo BUT if it doesnt, there will be another list of both for the job.

I get it fans are reactive and often times unreasonable but we have raised it to an art form here on BBI. that being said, i love the place and i am going nowhere! hahahaha

Agree. All you have to do is start a thread with QB and invariable the same posters jump on Daniel Jones. LOL
RE: RE: pretty sure no one wants to work for  
Sec 103 : 1/13/2022 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15550969 Chris684 said:
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In comment 15550949 UConn4523 said:


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this gutter organization, so this is surprising.



LOL, you just have to laugh at how this has played out so far.

Boomer and Gio spent all morning talking about the "horrible" situation NYG presents for these guys.

Obviously not.

Wait, those two morons are still on?
some positives mentioned  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/13/2022 12:12 pm : link
already. Mara recognizes this is a project which is acknowledging the team needs a ton of talent added and probably a cleansing of many on the roster.

So the GM gets to
1. Pick HC
2. Has several very high draft picks 2022 and can maneuver as he sees fit. I think Mara involvement will be low the first two years waiting on results to jump in or stay out.
3. Free to unload any player. Mara spoke to that.
4. Can gut the team and stink and the fans will be happy getting a very high pick in 2023 and feel they have a plan.

Start of 2023 he has a young, talented OL with several impact D players and a top rookie QB prospect on year 1 of his contract.

Pretty good deal.
RE: .....  
Justlurking : 1/13/2022 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15550967 BrettNYG10 said:
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A moron like Dave Gettleman got four years. With no HC in place, I see why this is an attractive spot.


Yup, I’ve killed this franchise consistently for the past 5 years. By finally committing to the tear down they have remedied lots of the ailments. The reality is the maras crave stability. This position is extremely attractive for a million reasons. Not the least of which is the fact that mild competence is a huge step up. If the GM has the ability to speak coherently he may be here 10 years
optimism today  
Alan W : 1/13/2022 12:23 pm : link
accompanied by sound reasons.

Hallelujah!
Why not try to get an interview  
Big Al : 1/13/2022 12:26 pm : link
even if you don’t think it is particularly attractive? Go in and see what they say on how you fit into this organization. Make yourself the interviewer. Probably won’t get the job with this approach and with all the candidates but what is downside of interviewing even if not currently that interested? Who knows where an interview might lead?
all this interest in the job  
Enzo : 1/13/2022 12:40 pm : link
only makes their limited search 4 years ago look even worse. What were they thinking?
RE: all this interest in the job  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2022 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15551375 Enzo said:
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only makes their limited search 4 years ago look even worse. What were they thinking?


It wasn't really a search then. We all knew it at the time. And had this season had not gone south so quickly, Abrams would be holding his inaugural press conference right now. We all know it.
Giants and Vikings jobs  
Sammo85 : 1/13/2022 12:44 pm : link
are probably more coveted than the Bears for sure.
RE: all this interest in the job  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2022 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15551375 Enzo said:
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only makes their limited search 4 years ago look even worse. What were they thinking?


They weren't thinking. John felt like he owed it to DG to hand him the job.

It's a huge win for fans if John Mara was sufficiently humbled by his failures that he has decided to quit the responsibility of handpicking coaches and GMs.
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