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Matt Rhule on why he didn't want Rashawn Slater

shadow_spinner0 : 1/13/2022 11:23 am
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Matt Rhule confirms on WFNZ that Rashawn Slater was not “ideal tackle size” and they weren’t comfortable “taking a guard that high.” Also mentions that he has a mobile QB in LA.


Guys… maybe Rhule isnt the best football mind out there
Feel  
JaxGiant : 1/13/2022 11:25 am : link
like we dodged a bullet there, especially with that asking price. He'll go back to college in a year or two.
I think he may still get shitcanned  
Ben in Tampa : 1/13/2022 11:33 am : link
in the coming weeks
Why can't these guys admit they made a mistake?  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/13/2022 11:34 am : link
Is their uber egos? By saying shit like that they just make themselves sound like idiots.
To be fair, there was speculation  
Section331 : 1/13/2022 11:35 am : link
that Slater would have to be kicked inside, but the mobile QB thing is a bad look. Just admit you missed it.
RE: Feel  
ron mexico : 1/13/2022 11:36 am : link
In comment 15551102 JaxGiant said:
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like we dodged a bullet there, especially with that asking price. He'll go back to college in a year or two.


does it matter if you dodge a bullet only to get run over by a bus?
RE: To be fair, there was speculation  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/13/2022 11:36 am : link
In comment 15551159 Section331 said:
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that Slater would have to be kicked inside,

Well there were reports that a lot of teams felt confident he would be an all pro level guard if he didn't work out at tackle. If anything that makes him even safer pick.
he's not saying anything 100's of pundits  
Platos : 1/13/2022 11:40 am : link
didn't say this time last year.

he's not prototypical Tackle size.
RE: RE: Feel  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/13/2022 11:42 am : link
In comment 15551165 ron mexico said:
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In comment 15551102 JaxGiant said:


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like we dodged a bullet there, especially with that asking price. He'll go back to college in a year or two.



does it matter if you dodge a bullet only to get run over by a bus?


BINGO!
So Rhule Explains Why They Did Not Take Slater  
Bernie : 1/13/2022 11:46 am : link
and he should be fired and the Giants dodged a bullet? Every team has measurable's (see Giants and Aaron Donald) that they apply to positions. They thought Slater would play inside and did not want to draft a guard that high. I could swear that I read those same comments on this site, but maybe I am mistaken. Seriously, he may turn out to be an awful NFL head coach, but some of the takes lately are comical.
RE: Why can't these guys admit they made a mistake?  
santacruzom : 1/13/2022 11:48 am : link
In comment 15551156 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Is their uber egos? By saying shit like that they just make themselves sound like idiots.


I didn't listen to what he said but maybe he DID admit a mistake?

Did he say that he thinks Slater will fail because he's not the right size? Or did he infer that they incorrectly evaluated him based on a perceived shortcoming that didn't wind up impacting his play?
I dont understand why thats a bad answer  
Rudy5757 : 1/13/2022 12:00 pm : link
They evaluated him and thought he would be a guard. We drafted Pugh as a tackle and it turns out he was a better guard. Flowers is playing OK as a guard. They made a mistake but a lot of teams do.
Giants  
JB_in_DC : 1/13/2022 12:03 pm : link
reportedly had Slater below AVT. Hard to get too riled without hearing the actual interview with Rhule. Maybe he said that they were wrong in that evaluation, but attempted to explain why they didn't take him.
full quote  
Banks : 1/13/2022 12:04 pm : link
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"That was a hard decision," Rhule said. "Rashawn hadn't played the year before, he wasn't ideal tackle size. There was a lot of questions if he was a guard or tackle and the same thing with Alijah Vera-Tucker and it was really are you going to take a guy who's a guard at this number? I've had a chance to go back and watch Rashawn and he's playing with a really mobile quarterback, he's a really good player. I think if Jaycee would have played this whole year, I think if you back to that Saints game, I mean he was dominant. Had he played the whole year I think people would be really excited Jaycee. But we both know the issues are the issues when you lose games then everyone is going to be frustrated.
He  
Toth029 : 1/13/2022 12:07 pm : link
Wasn't high on Fields or Mac Jones either.
......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 1/13/2022 12:17 pm : link
Man, these young coaches have a thing or two to learn about press conferences.

Less it more - BB has the most boring press conferences ever that never contain any answers.
I'm very thankful...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2022 12:19 pm : link
we didn't hire Rhule.

It may eventually work out in Carolina, but Rhule seems more better suited for the college game.
Slater is playing LT  
Sy'56 : 1/13/2022 12:24 pm : link
because LAC didn't have a LT.

Had he been drafted by DAL or NYG....he is at LG.
RE: Slater is playing LT  
bw in dc : 1/13/2022 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15551320 Sy'56 said:
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because LAC didn't have a LT.

Had he been drafted by DAL or NYG....he is at LG.


He'd be playing G for Dallas because they have quality bookend tackles in place. And very likely a Pro Bowl G while waiting for Smith or Collins to leave/retire so he can then take one of those spots.

I'd be okay with Slater playing G for us. He's better than Thomas. So I would move Thomas to RT and Slater to LT. Whatever the case, Slater is super versatile and would be impactful at all 5 positions on the OL.
Rhule should be  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2022 12:45 pm : link
tarred and feathered for that comment, no?
The full quote  
Jerry in_DC : 1/13/2022 12:48 pm : link
seems to be a perfectly reasonable answer. He essentially admitted a mistake without hanging anyone out to dry. He explained their thought process.

Nobody drafts perfectly. Not even close. It's a good practice to review and see why you missed some things.

I have no opinion if he is a good coach, but this is completely fine.
Slater as OG or OT in the NFL  
BobR in Durham : 1/13/2022 1:02 pm : link
was bandied about a lot before the draft, even though his performance at OT in college is what cemented is draft status. He's 6'4" and 315 lbs (at least he's listed as that now) and Miss State's Charles Cross, considered one of the top 2 OTs in this coming draft, is listed as 6'5" and 310 lbs. Is that 1" in height really the dividing line for an NFL OT?
Slater is the most gifted OL I have seen in a while  
Rick in Dallas : 1/13/2022 1:03 pm : link
His pass and run blocking skills top notch. So smooth in all his movements .
everyone keep this in mind  
Platos : 1/13/2022 1:07 pm : link
when we pass on OL for a CB or Safety this year lololol
Still  
Toth029 : 1/13/2022 1:20 pm : link
See posters underrating how good Andrew Thomas is.
RE: Why can't these guys admit they made a mistake?  
k2tampa : 1/13/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15551156 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Is their uber egos? By saying shit like that they just make themselves sound like idiots.


He didn't say they were right or wrong, he explained why they didn't take him at the time. This is the full comment:

“That was a harder decision,” he said when asked why Slater wasn’t the choice. “Rashawn hadn’t played the year before. He wasn’t ideal tackle size. There was a lot of questions as ‘Hey, is he a guard?’ Same thing with Alijah Vera-Tucker. And it was really ‘Hey, are you gonna take a guy who’s a guard at this number?'”

Those are beliefs, by the way, that were shared by many.
The folks who evaluated Slater as just a OG were wrong  
Rick in Dallas : 1/13/2022 2:14 pm : link
He was the best OT in last year's draft. It's OK to admit your eval on Salter was wrong.
RE: RE: Why can't these guys admit they made a mistake?  
bw in dc : 1/13/2022 2:37 pm : link
In comment 15551491 k2tampa said:
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He didn't say they were right or wrong, he explained why they didn't take him at the time. This is the full comment:

“That was a harder decision,” he said when asked why Slater wasn’t the choice. “Rashawn hadn’t played the year before. He wasn’t ideal tackle size. There was a lot of questions as ‘Hey, is he a guard?’ Same thing with Alijah Vera-Tucker. And it was really ‘Hey, are you gonna take a guy who’s a guard at this number?'”

Those are beliefs, by the way, that were shared by many.


There was certainly some of that out there. But the game where Slater played against Chase Young should have put to rest any concerns about Slater playing LT in the NFL.

Young is the quintessential DE physically - long, fast, quick, explosive. And Slater dominated him.
Not Just Slater  
Samiam : 1/13/2022 2:38 pm : link
What I dont understand is how the Giants could have looked at their starting 5 on the OL and their backups (Solder was their best backup) and not concluded that Slater could have helped if only because they had no depth and had to assume that someone of the starting 5 would get hurt and Slater could start anywhere on the line from day 1.

Then, even with the trade down to 20,I dont get why they passed on OL help there for a gadget guy. Don't they remember passing on Ramzyk for Engram? Same mistake.
Don't pick an All-Pro Offensive Lineman with versatility at both  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2022 3:07 pm : link
Tackle and Guard that high??

Carolina picked 8th by the way.

Sounds like he's been reading some of good draft advice you often read on BBI...

:-)
RE: RE: RE: Why can't these guys admit they made a mistake?  
Thegratefulhead : 1/13/2022 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15551601 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15551491 k2tampa said:


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He didn't say they were right or wrong, he explained why they didn't take him at the time. This is the full comment:

“That was a harder decision,” he said when asked why Slater wasn’t the choice. “Rashawn hadn’t played the year before. He wasn’t ideal tackle size. There was a lot of questions as ‘Hey, is he a guard?’ Same thing with Alijah Vera-Tucker. And it was really ‘Hey, are you gonna take a guy who’s a guard at this number?'”

Those are beliefs, by the way, that were shared by many.



There was certainly some of that out there. But the game where Slater played against Chase Young should have put to rest any concerns about Slater playing LT in the NFL.

Young is the quintessential DE physically - long, fast, quick, explosive. And Slater dominated him.
That game is what put me on Slater.

I wanted in order for NYG Waddle, Parsons, Slater. Feeling really good about those 3.
I was specific about Parsons  
Thegratefulhead : 1/13/2022 3:16 pm : link
I thought he would be an edge in the NFL and said he was the best one in the draft. Also thought he was the type of "dog" this D really needed.
RE: RE: Why can't these guys admit they made a mistake?  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/13/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15551216 santacruzom said:
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In comment 15551156 sb from NYT Forum said:


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Is their uber egos? By saying shit like that they just make themselves sound like idiots.



I didn't listen to what he said but maybe he DID admit a mistake?

Did he say that he thinks Slater will fail because he's not the right size? Or did he infer that they incorrectly evaluated him based on a perceived shortcoming that didn't wind up impacting his play?


To me it seemed like he was making excuses more than anything, but maybe I’m reading it wrong.
I'm just not sure  
santacruzom : 1/13/2022 4:38 pm : link
how this can be any sort of "I told you so" indictment on Rhule. It's not like he justified passing on Slater to take some average quarterback by saying he fell in love with the QB at the Senior Bowl or something.

To me, he just explained why they felt Jaycee Horn was the better prospect and value where they picked. I really doubt he was the only one. Horn looks like a stud and like ryan might say, let it play out over the next 10 years before we decide who's better.
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