So Knox and a protected #1 for Reddish, Hill and a 2025 2nd. Both Knox and Reddish are only 22 years old. Deal could work out for either (or both) sides
So Knox and a protected #1 for Reddish, Hill and a 2025 2nd. Both Knox and Reddish are only 22 years old. Deal could work out for either (or both) sides
Hill is a good defender, Knicks have to release someone, guessing it will be arci
Given Cam is up for an extension after this season, I wonder if they have something lined up and what it would be for. I'm guessing more than I think he should get, maybe like 4/50. They could always let him get to restricted FA the year after but that would surprise me given they are trading for him.
Poor Greg. Just when he was started to finally like a Dukie
So Knox and a protected #1 for Reddish, Hill and a 2025 2nd. Both Knox and Reddish are only 22 years old. Deal could work out for either (or both) sides
Hill is a good defender, Knicks have to release someone, guessing it will be arci
Hill will miss the remainder of the season. He was included to match salaries.
So Knox and a protected #1 for Reddish, Hill and a 2025 2nd. Both Knox and Reddish are only 22 years old. Deal could work out for either (or both) sides
Hill is a good defender, Knicks have to release someone, guessing it will be arci
Hill will miss the remainder of the season. He was included to match salaries.
Ian Begley
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Knicks and Hawks had talked about a deal for Cam Reddish that sent Quentin Grimes to ATL in recent days but some NYK decision-makers been opposed, per SNY sources. @wojespn reports Knicks and Hawks have Reddish deal in place.
They actually kept Grimes and said, "No, take Kevin Knox instead". This would not have happened pre-Leon Rose.
1. Knox gets a fresh start. He will evolve into a decent backup.
2. Reddish has tremendous upside. Shooting 90% free throws this year. You shoot that high, you can shoot. Just a matter of translating it to game. But the hand to eye coordination is there
3. It’s also obviously a move to lure Zion. Yes he is fat. Because he is unhappy. We sometimes forget how young these guys are. Your brain is not fully developed until you are 25.
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Knicks and Hawks had talked about a deal for Cam Reddish that sent Quentin Grimes to ATL in recent days but some NYK decision-makers been opposed, per SNY sources. @wojespn reports Knicks and Hawks have Reddish deal in place.
They actually kept Grimes and said, "No, take Kevin Knox instead". This would not have happened pre-Leon Rose.
Thibs would trade his own child before he trades Grimes lol
He's a low % chucker. Sure he's a decent energy scorer off the bench, but we're loaded with those types. That's not our need. No the Charlotte pick isn't great but it was an asset and I would have rather tossed it into a trade for a star or someone of true need.
You're replacing a guy who can't play - Knox - with a guy who can. I wonder if Alec Burks' days are numbered. He's one guy who might be able to fetch a late first from a contender.
Yeah I don't have a big problem with what we gave up
and might trade at the deadline. A guy like Burks or Fournier will have value, either as part of a larger package or for draft assets. So, picking up Reddish, who can be a part of the young team you're building and trading Burks for other assets makes pretty decent roster building sense.
And Hunter is already a better 3 and D guy and they have Hueter and Bogdonavic. Atlanta clearly decided that Cam didn't fit what they were doing long term. Makes sense from their side too.
Nobody's untouchable, but we've needed a lights out shooter in the worst way, AND he's an exceptional perimeter defender. Not to mention six assists the other night against the Spurs.
17-23. Lost by 25 to Miami last night. Yes they have a bunch of injuries and Covid stuff but who hasn't in the league? They can't even keep their heads above water. We'll see if they can replay their 2nd half circus trick again but they won't have a coaching change to spark them again.
17-23. Lost by 25 to Miami last night. Yes they have a bunch of injuries and Covid stuff but who hasn't in the league? They can't even keep their heads above water. We'll see if they can replay their 2nd half circus trick again but they won't have a coaching change to spark them again.
There are rumors that Collins wants out and they may blow the team up aside from Capela and young
and you get all of next year before dealing with the QO. He has played pretty well when he gets consistent touches/minutes. He does feel a lot like fournier and burks though so it does feel like a log jam. I was expecting a move like this for a PG due to our injury concerns there.
They have their own and Rokas may come over (though you might as well wait a year til Rose/Kemba are off the books). You'll probably see Burks dealt for a future first to maintain the stash for a bigger trade.
I was not initially excited about Leon Rose but he has shown an incredible ability to have multiple pathways.
After making playoffs last year, he kept the team together but did not fall into the usual Knicks trap of going all in and sacrificing the future.
Lebron's going from team to team misled many people, including Knicks management, into thinking the way you win is to clear the roster to attract superstars. But Lebron is a unique player. You can't use him as a model.
The way you build a team that competes for a decade is still through developing a core. Look at Golden State. Yes, they got Durant but the core is Steph, Clay and Green. GS also does not have Dolan's money and had to let players like Barnes go because they could not afford to keep them.
It's hard to get a core who are all about the same age but Rose is doing it. They still need a big time player, such as Zion, but as constituted, this current group (RJ, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims, Cam, Mitch) could probably evolve into a team that regularly wins 40-50 games a year.
and have to assume the next deal is for a point, Deal for Reddish is a no brainer for the fact you gave up nothing for a guy who has proven he can score when given consistent minutez..
But is as of right now those minutes really arent there yet
been one of our best and most important players. It's not like he's expiring, so if the only offers out there are one late first round pick, I'm not making that deal.
it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
I dint think they wanted to pay him, huerter, bkgdanavjc, gallo, and hunter
Knicks have the 11th best record in the conference
Rose is not making moves based primarily on this year. He realizes this team might not even make the playoffs, and even if they do, they won't go far.
His eye is on the future. So, you guys who are saying they can't or won't trade Burks are completely wrong. Rose won't give him away but if he gets good value, Burks, just like all the other vets, will be gone in a second.
it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
Hawks can't afford him. They are already at 113 million for 2023-4 season and they still have to sign De'Andre Hunter. They struggle to draw fans. Their arena is a mausoleum, located in a not very safe area of downtown. You have to drive to get there for most fans and the traffic is murder.
They have money now that Ressler owns the team but Hawks are still never going to be a team that goes way over the cap for a sustained period unless its for Lebron or Durant or someone of that ilk.
of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
of right now the Hornets pick is 20th and thus would be conveyed to the Hawks if the season ended today.
Per ESPN:
Charlotte's first-round pick is protected through the top 18 in 2022, the top 16 in 2023, the top 14 in 2024 and the top 14 in 2025. It becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed before 2026.
The Hawks were not getting a first and Grimes for Reddish
of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
i wonder if that was earlier in the year and as Grimes got more minutes they said hell no
of right now the Hornets pick is 20th and thus would be conveyed to the Hawks if the season ended today.
Per ESPN:
Charlotte's first-round pick is protected through the top 18 in 2022, the top 16 in 2023, the top 14 in 2024 and the top 14 in 2025. It becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed before 2026.
Top 18 protected means the Hawks would get the pick as the Hornets currently pick 20th.
He's not a great shooter but the rest of his game is very good. And his timeline fits the rest of our team. He's less than a year older than Sims, Obi and Mitch.
The thing is the contract is high (28M), you'd have to basically trade Kemba and Fournier or maybe Kemba, Obi and Burks to make it work salary wise. And I think the Knicks want to preserve a bunch of their trade assets for bigger game hunting. Fox is a really good player but he's not a max level star.
of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
Begely was on with Macri said Hawks wanted Grimes but Knicks said no
of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
Begely was on with Macri said Hawks wanted Grimes but Knicks said no
Both things can be true (especially considering Begley was the one who reported that some members of the FO were against it)
Katz suggested Obi, Burks and a pick (the one they just traded but the article came out earlier in the morning) and Noel for Jerami Grant
Can't have Obi, Randle and Grant. Logjam, so that makes sense. Still not sure of the fit for Grant. Can he guard 3s? Ideally, you want someone who can play with Randle at crunch time. Not sure Grant is it.
RE: Poor Greg. Just when he was started to finally like a Dukie
And yeah, maybe Zion will complete the triumvirate...
haha yep--full disclosure I am all in on Zion. Fat ass and all. I am hopeful the Knicks/Zion union is an inevitability at this point. He'd kick ass in MSG. Shaq light.
RE: RE: Poor Greg. Just when he was started to finally like a Dukie
And yeah, maybe Zion will complete the triumvirate...
haha yep--full disclosure I am all in on Zion. Fat ass and all. I am hopeful the Knicks/Zion union is an inevitability at this point. He'd kick ass in MSG. Shaq light.
I qm not the biggest Zion fan but you would think playing with Rj he would grt his ass in shape
but i dont think id do that. Grant is a good role player on a good team, but thats it. I dont think its worth giving up a young improving player a good rotational player and a first for him. Id much rather pay what id guess is around a similar cost for Wood. At least Wood can play the stretch 5 role.
to get in shape then i think people should be very worried about him. Look the fact he has been in the league for a couple years and cant get his weight under control is a massive red flag. His body didnt really make sense to begin with, haha, and he isnt doing it any favors.
That said, I fully expect him to get his head on straight at some point, there is just too much at stake for him. But who knows.
and he's virtually fulfilled or displayed that promise when he plays. This isn't potential we're talking about as much as it's just a super talented kid who may not like his current team.
Yea he has some concerns but Zion being scooped up by the Knicks would remind me of the Lakers stepping in shit 235 times over the last 4 decades.
about Grant. Any chance he can function for stretches as a small ball center?
Katz says yes.
Well, in this hypothetical, they could go small with Randle and Grant, who has played some backup five in his life, though rarely in Detroit. His most recent stretch there came just before his thumb injury when Kelly Olynyk was hurt and Isaiah Stewart was suspended. It could work in short spurts. He’s not a great rebounder, but he is a decent shot blocker, particularly when coming over to help.
The Thunder used him as a backup five for much of the 2017-18 season, before he had developed his jumper. He took opposing centers off the dribble and propped up his efficiency with an impressive free-throw rate.
is undeniable and he's only 21 - but the red flags are everywhere with this guy. A questionable work ethic and durablity concerns are not exactly the recipe for success. And his next contract is likey going to be anywhere from $200-$250 million.
Guy also had a ton of injuries early in his career but is not (relatively) healthy and is a dominant player. Zion probably is more talented. If you are going to take a risk, take a risk on an insanely gifted player.
Guy also had a ton of injuries early in his career but is not (relatively) healthy and is a dominant player. Zion probably is more talented. If you are going to take a risk, take a risk on an insanely gifted player.
Zion is nowhere near the offensive player Embiid is..
Guy also had a ton of injuries early in his career but is not (relatively) healthy and is a dominant player. Zion probably is more talented. If you are going to take a risk, take a risk on an insanely gifted player.
there's also a precedent for players who are the same size/shape as Embiid. Zion is basically an outlier who's carrying a significant weight on a relatiely smaller frame. He should probably be playing offensive line. in the NFL.
The potential is definitely there, he showed it in the playoffs vs Milwaukee. If he doesn’t work out it’s not that big a loss but if he does the Knicks got an absolute steal
is zion a more athletic freak then Embiid, sure. Does that make his ceiling higher, sure i guess, but more talented? No way.
I mean look id sign up for zion in a second and convince myself he will get in shape and his body will hold up and all that. But come on we are the knicks, at best he plays 70 games his first year, dominates and then gets hurt in the first round. LOL.
Guy also had a ton of injuries early in his career but is not (relatively) healthy and is a dominant player. Zion probably is more talented. If you are going to take a risk, take a risk on an insanely gifted player.
there's also a precedent for players who are the same size/shape as Embiid. Zion is basically an outlier who's carrying a significant weight on a relatiely smaller frame. He should probably be playing offensive line. in the NFL.
Zion does have the body type of that kid from George Mason from forever ago.
Let's have fun with it and just say he's tanking to get traded. Harden got fat just to get out of Houston.
I thought there was a chance he could be the first star player (under this era's CBA rules) to turn down a max extension and play out his rookie contract and get to unrestricted free agency. But given his injuries, if the Pelicans are offering him anywhere near the max when he's extension eligible, he pretty much has to take it.
then kind of player Thibs likes, so we will see. I guess we will see what kind of playing time he gets, but I almost would rather have the 20th pick in next year's draft.
RE: Reddish plays the same position as RJ and also doesn't strike me as
then kind of player Thibs likes, so we will see. I guess we will see what kind of playing time he gets, but I almost would rather have the 20th pick in next year's draft.
Jim - I see it that way too but Rose is no dummy and neither is Thibs. We'll see what the plan is. Hard to imagine there isn't another trade lurking.
As to draft choices - can only have so many rookies/young players. We still have a lot of draft capital.
There's really big questions about his game - shot selection, team defense especially. We know Thibs CAN help him with that. What I wonder is if he'll have the patience to play Reddish the minutes he'll need to improve. Hopefully having RJ on the team - who is a Thibs guy and a leader in terms of effort on both ends - can help Cam adjust to the team.
There's tantalizing upside and a wide range of outcomes. Can he hit the Paul George comps or maybe a Khris Middleton? Will he just be a better version of Reggie Bullock? Or maybe he'll stay what he is, which is inconsistent and disappointing. The Knicks have a couple years to figure out which direction he'll go. Anyways, I like the gamble.
There's really big questions about his game - shot selection, team defense especially. We know Thibs CAN help him with that. What I wonder is if he'll have the patience to play Reddish the minutes he'll need to improve. Hopefully having RJ on the team - who is a Thibs guy and a leader in terms of effort on both ends - can help Cam adjust to the team.
There's tantalizing upside and a wide range of outcomes. Can he hit the Paul George comps or maybe a Khris Middleton? Will he just be a better version of Reggie Bullock? Or maybe he'll stay what he is, which is inconsistent and disappointing. The Knicks have a couple years to figure out which direction he'll go. Anyways, I like the gamble.
You have to think Rose consulted Thibs before this move and you dont give up a 1st albeit protected for a player you dont plan on playing..
the question with him right now is can he play a team game, he is obviously at his best when he gets touches and minutes but can he be effective playing off other scorers..
When Trae young has been out he averages 20 and with young only 10..When he starts and gets minutes his scoring numbers go up..
This coaching staff has shown that they have the ability to develop young talent. RJ is significantly better than he was 2 years ago, Quickley and Toppin have made really nice progress since they were drafted, despite some regression this year Randle has been a much better player under Thibs, and even a guy like Mitch has improved in subtle ways.
With that said, Reddish has the potential to be an all-star based on talent. He can shoot, and he has all of the tools to be a + defender. For the remainder of this year, if they can get him to embrace a 3 and D type of role, and clean up his decision making, I think he will make the front office look very smart for making this move. They really just need to coach him out of some of the unnecessary risks and lapses in focus that you see on D, as well as improve his shot selection. Don’t shoot anything unless it’s at the rim or from 3. The midrange shots he takes are just not what you want from him, and hopefully Thibs can coach that stuff out of him.
RJ is significantly better than he was 2 years ago
Really? After taking a rather noticeable step back from last season?
He's on a little hot streak lately, but let's see if that turns into consistent good play rather than the pathetic outings we frequently saw from him earlier in the season.
RJ said he was sick and then that rolled into COVID so he's only getting back to being himself. Hopefully he continues to trend upward.
I can't see the team not making a move at the deadline now. I felt like even before this trade we had a glut of players who needed minutes and now it's even more.
optimistic but even in his good games he'll do 2-3 things that have you wondering "WTF is he doing?". Could be he just has below average basketball instincts/IQ.
optimistic but even in his good games he'll do 2-3 things that have you wondering "WTF is he doing?". Could be he just has below average basketball instincts/IQ.
He lost over a month of workouts and extra workouts--which he loves--with stomach problems, probably flu, and then Covid. He is just now getting his timing, and his strength and athleticism on inside moves is massively better than last year. He is getting higher on his dunks, and has added a really good inside jumper that he just didn't have last year. And, he can go to his right some. His 3-point % over the last 6 games is 50%! He won't keep doing that, but his confidence is back, and he is showing more capacity to move with the ball to get to an open space for the three, rather than being exclusively catch and shoot.
Given his earlier problems with "bugs," it isn't at all surprising that he is just now getting into shape. His 3-point percentage will just get better, and with increased strength and athleticism he is showing more on on-ball defense than last year.
I am highly confident that what we have seen the last 6 games is real, even adjusting down a little. And he is STILL only 21. He will get even stronger, and learn more technique.
I dont know but is he treated like a player that is going to be here for awhile?
That's very hard to tell with Thibs. At least he appears in games, lol.
I dont Rj is the youngest on the team and plays over 30, i believe still 2nd on the team, Quick is over 20 and finishes a lot of games, Grimes is playing more and more and ha sbeen over 20, Mitch plays 30..
It could be Thibs just doesnt like Obi or he is jist not in the plans
The one thing that will prevent him from being great is he doesn't have that elite athleticism. He is a real good on ball defender and he is starting to create and make his own shot. I believe he should be option #1 on the offensive end at this point. JR is a ball stopper and the team is better off with him being more of a distributor than focal point
The one thing that will prevent him from being great is he doesn't have that elite athleticism. He is a real good on ball defender and he is starting to create and make his own shot. I believe he should be option #1 on the offensive end at this point. JR is a ball stopper and the team is better off with him being more of a distributor than focal point
If Randle is a good distributor isnt that the opposite of ball stopper?
because his shot selection and his pace are much better, he is playing within the flow of the offense..He isnt just taking more shots..
Rj isnt getting the ball on evwry possession and nor should he, but when he gets the ball he is making smart decisions and he is scoring at all 3 levels..
You seem to watch these games more than most. Aren't you tired of the isolations that turn into fall away jumpers w/a couple seconds on the shot clock? The Knicks are more efficient with him being a distributor and those 6-8 forced shots need be taken by others.
He hasn't really developed a shot yet. He can't create any sort of offense consistently unless it's an alley oop or fast break dunk. Right now he reminds me of Derrick Williams.
*I think Obi can grow into a player, and Thibs has to find that minute/balance.
You seem to watch these games more than most. Aren't you tired of the isolations that turn into fall away jumpers w/a couple seconds on the shot clock? The Knicks are more efficient with him being a distributor and those 6-8 forced shots need be taken by others.
I am not disagreeing, i have been asking for that from the start, but the ball is going to be in his hands if he is going to be a distributor, so you cant call him a blackhole..
I dont hate iso as much as other people, i think every team iso's and in the playoffs it is basically iso and pick and roll all game..
What bothers me with Randle is he forces the iso, there is a way to iso that can set up the entire offense and it looks awesome..To many times hr isos and forces a shot or forces the dribble..
In the game against the mavs he didnt do that, he ran dribble hand offs, he ran pick and roll where he was the ball handler and roller, when mavs doubled he quickly moved it and got wide open looks..thats what i want..
I dont mind iso, if they dont double take the guy to the hoop and finish strong, if he backs off shoot it, those are good shots
He hasn't really developed a shot yet. He can't create any sort of offense consistently unless it's an alley oop or fast break dunk. Right now he reminds me of Derrick Williams.
*I think Obi can grow into a player, and Thibs has to find that minute/balance.
I think he can develop into a damn good player but the minutes are just not going to be there to show it..
Notice Grimes played well with everyone out, players come back and he is still getting those minutez..
Obi played well, players come back and his minutes have gone down..
He hasn't really developed a shot yet. He can't create any sort of offense consistently unless it's an alley oop or fast break dunk. Right now he reminds me of Derrick Williams.
*I think Obi can grow into a player, and Thibs has to find that minute/balance.
I think he can develop into a damn good player but the minutes are just not going to be there to show it..
Notice Grimes played well with everyone out, players come back and he is still getting those minutez..
Obi played well, players come back and his minutes have gone down..
Obi is playing behind Randle. Like you've said, Thibs won't play him at the five by design, so he's got no opening.
He hasn't really developed a shot yet. He can't create any sort of offense consistently unless it's an alley oop or fast break dunk. Right now he reminds me of Derrick Williams.
*I think Obi can grow into a player, and Thibs has to find that minute/balance.
I think he can develop into a damn good player but the minutes are just not going to be there to show it..
Notice Grimes played well with everyone out, players come back and he is still getting those minutez..
Obi played well, players come back and his minutes have gone down..
Obi is playing behind Randle. Like you've said, Thibs won't play him at the five by design, so he's got no opening.
Randle doesn’t need 38 minutes every single night. There are plenty of ways to get Obi more than 9-10 minutes per game. For whatever reason, Thibs just doesn’t seem to be a huge Obi guy. He’s got the shortest leash on the team
He hasn't really developed a shot yet. He can't create any sort of offense consistently unless it's an alley oop or fast break dunk. Right now he reminds me of Derrick Williams.
*I think Obi can grow into a player, and Thibs has to find that minute/balance.
I think he can develop into a damn good player but the minutes are just not going to be there to show it..
Notice Grimes played well with everyone out, players come back and he is still getting those minutez..
Obi played well, players come back and his minutes have gone down..
Obi is playing behind Randle. Like you've said, Thibs won't play him at the five by design, so he's got no opening.
If thibs or the front office believed in Obi they would find minutes for him, you dont keep guys you like on the bench and only play them 10 minutes a game
RE: Of course you're confident his hot streak is real
You've been a massive fan of the guy from the moment he was drafted. Nothing wrong with that, but I can't say I think of you as an objective observer.
And yes, I'm not objective either, I'll cop to that.
I’m a homer but objective with RJB. I think he’s developing into a star right before our eyes. I’ve never seen him look this good before, in the NBA. He’s had big games the last two years but these performances look different. He just looks more explosive or talented to me. I think he’s growing both mentally and physically even if he doesn’t look any bigger. He’s growing up.
I guess what I’m saying is I expect this play to continue. Maybe not 30 every night but he’s turned a corner. We recently as last April I was saying I wasn’t sure about RJB.
The problem with Obi is that he's not a 10 year vet.
The one thing that will prevent him from being great is he doesn't have that elite athleticism. He is a real good on ball defender and he is starting to create and make his own shot. I believe he should be option #1 on the offensive end at this point. JR is a ball stopper and the team is better off with him being more of a distributor than focal point
If Randle is a good distributor isnt that the opposite of ball stopper?
I hate this latest narrative about Randle and I’ll scream it from the hilltops that he’s getting way too much shit lately.
Every great offensive force in the nba can be labeled a ball stopper. It’s called iso offense. Literally every single team does it. Teams struggle to always maintain or run a perfect set offense with 1986 Celtics like ball movement every time down the floor. Defenses take that away sometimes or you just struggle to run it. You go ISO if you’re lucky enough to have that player or players that can bail you out sometimes.
Ever since Randle got paid fans started to get all critical on him. He’s still a relative bargain and his contract is virtually harmless. Never fucking fails.
optimistic but even in his good games he'll do 2-3 things that have you wondering "WTF is he doing?". Could be he just has below average basketball instincts/IQ.
Or he's 21 and learning the game?
I'd buy that if he were making agressive mistakes. But that's not what I'm seeing.
Yet the guy leads the team in assists. Gimme a fucking break. Watch other nba games please.
That’s not to say Randle can’t play better but it basically comes down to his 3 pt shot. If he gets hot again from downtown his overall game will once again reach elite status. He plays hard every night filling up the box score.
Yet the guy leads the team in assists. Gimme a fucking break. Watch other nba games please.
That’s not to say Randle can’t play better but it basically comes down to his 3 pt shot. If he gets hot again from downtown his overall game will once again reach elite status. He plays hard every night filling up the box score.
I was saying this the other day. And there is something to it.
But I'm very down on Randle lately. Maybe it's just a matter of looking at him for what he is. Which is a third best player on a contender.
Randle numbers are down across the board this year (maybe other than rebounding). He hasn't had a good year at all. I am not saying he isn't their best player but when Randle is your best player you are going to be a middle of the pack team...and BTW he is a ball stopper.
Randle numbers are down across the board this year (maybe other than rebounding). He hasn't had a good year at all. I am not saying he isn't their best player but when Randle is your best player you are going to be a middle of the pack team...and BTW he is a ball stopper.
Randle numbers are down across the board this year (maybe other than rebounding). He hasn't had a good year at all. I am not saying he isn't their best player but when Randle is your best player you are going to be a middle of the pack team...and BTW he is a ball stopper.
So what? Why are we shitting all over Randle because he’s not Lebron or Durant? How about we develop better players around him?
The guy was a journeyman before busting out last year. We got something good for basically nothing. Be happy we stole an all star but no we have to bitch because he’s not the best player in the league.
Or make a trade that helps the team improve and Randle has to be traded? I’d drive him to the airport myself.
It just sounds like many Knicks fans want to move this guy in a lateral type move. Friend texted me two days ago saying Obi needs to start Randle should be dumped ASAP. Friggin twilight zone.
You’re not going to get last years Randle every year, but if you can get 75% of last years Randle he’s worth the contract and a piece you can build with.
The issue with Randle isn't really the ISO. I think every team has ISO sets and Thibs loves his mismatches. The issue is the quickness of the decision-making. Randle has been very slow to react this year, though I think Thibs has mentioned it to him because it's getting better.
The other thing is with RJB. I love him and want him to succeed. I was listening to a Ringer pod talk about him and they said something that I think is really true. RJ does great when there's a defender on him that he can bully, and physically impose himself on the game. If there's a longer, athletic player on him, he struggles.
NOT THIS WEEK but pre Kemba it started. Don’t throw out crap.
It’s been going on for some time. Why state that it’s this week? If your in the know then you also know we made a call right after Hali was drafted. Interest has been there that long. But it take two to tangle.
It’s not crap when you’ve heard it from both teams ;)
NOT THIS WEEK but pre Kemba it started. Don’t throw out crap.
It’s been going on for some time. Why state that it’s this week? If your in the know then you also know we made a call right after Hali was drafted. Interest has been there that long. But it take two to tangle.
It’s not crap when you’ve heard it from both teams ;)
Yeah Kings have told the Knicks it has to be a crazy good package for them to say yes
Then most of our young guys/bench/picks. Are we then better? Unless your also clearing space, going to punt this year and have a free agent (wink) willing to sign you almost can’t do it. That’s the dilemma.
Then most of our young guys/bench/picks. Are we then better? Unless your also clearing space, going to punt this year and have a free agent (wink) willing to sign you almost can’t do it. That’s the dilemma.
Oh i know, i said a couple of months ago i hear the Knicks had been pursuing Fox and that they have been persistant but the asking price is crazy
The other thing is with RJB. I love him and want him to succeed. I was listening to a Ringer pod talk about him and they said something that I think is really true. RJ does great when there's a defender on him that he can bully, and physically impose himself on the game. If there's a longer, athletic player on him, he struggles.
Agree. Ben Simmmons and De'Andre Hunter are two that have given him a hard time in the past.
Hunter is back from his injury, so that will be a test tomorrow night.
Re Reddish: whenever there is a trade, I always read the other team's fan board because I figure they're the ones who see the player every day and know more than we do.
Opinion seems split down the middle: many Hawks' fans still believe in Reddish's potential to be a good player and think that he may have been held beck by circumstances: injuries, COVID, usage, etc.
About as many were ready to wash their hands of him and get back whatever they could get, given that he is close to being extension eligible. Some called him the worst rotation player on the team over the last two years and offered stats to back it up.
Of course, we have to hope that those with the positive view of CR are more accurate in their perceptions. I have noticed that some Knicks' fans hang on to hopes about top ten picks past the reasonable expiration date.
I’m my opinion over McBride IQ or 3 firsts in the nest two years which should be a 1 or a 5. Rest of the team has plenty of bodies. However Brunson is an avg PG.
Seems like a precursor to another move, otherwise too many guys for the rotation.
It would've been a late first rounder anyway. I mean that pick had so many conditions on it.
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New York is including Kevin Knox in trade to Atlanta, sources tell ESPN.
Hill is a good defender, Knicks have to release someone, guessing it will be arci
And yeah, maybe Zion will complete the triumvirate...
I like this deal a lot, another excellent asset. Reddish can be a really good 3 and D player.
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So Knox and a protected #1 for Reddish, Hill and a 2025 2nd. Both Knox and Reddish are only 22 years old. Deal could work out for either (or both) sides
Hill is a good defender, Knicks have to release someone, guessing it will be arci
Hill will miss the remainder of the season. He was included to match salaries.
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The Reddish rumors"
Expect another move that sends out someone like Burke by the deadline
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The Reddish rumors"
At the time the Hawks wanted the Knicks first round pick.
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The Reddish rumors"
AJR - we appreciate your inside info. Never bad to add another talented asset. I just wonder when they make that deal for a star player.
At the time the Hawks wanted the Knicks first round pick.
Will be interesting to seen what kind of contract he gets.
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At the time the Hawks wanted the Knicks first round pick.
I'm just busting your balls. All the inner workings are always fluid and constantly changing. I appreciate any info you provide. I like the trade.
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So Knox and a protected #1 for Reddish, Hill and a 2025 2nd. Both Knox and Reddish are only 22 years old. Deal could work out for either (or both) sides
Hill is a good defender, Knicks have to release someone, guessing it will be arci
Hill will miss the remainder of the season. He was included to match salaries.
ahhh ok
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with Kemba back, who is out of the rotation?
Expect another move that sends out someone like Burke by the deadline
There has to be, you didnt trade for reddish to sit, and we know thibs loves Grimes
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Knicks and Hawks had talked about a deal for Cam Reddish that sent Quentin Grimes to ATL in recent days but some NYK decision-makers been opposed, per SNY sources. @wojespn reports Knicks and Hawks have Reddish deal in place.
They actually kept Grimes and said, "No, take Kevin Knox instead". This would not have happened pre-Leon Rose.
2. Reddish has tremendous upside. Shooting 90% free throws this year. You shoot that high, you can shoot. Just a matter of translating it to game. But the hand to eye coordination is there
3. It’s also obviously a move to lure Zion. Yes he is fat. Because he is unhappy. We sometimes forget how young these guys are. Your brain is not fully developed until you are 25.
And he'll want to get paid.
There are always teams looking to grab first round picks from teams who want to make a move for the sake of making a move.
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Knicks and Hawks had talked about a deal for Cam Reddish that sent Quentin Grimes to ATL in recent days but some NYK decision-makers been opposed, per SNY sources. @wojespn reports Knicks and Hawks have Reddish deal in place.
They actually kept Grimes and said, "No, take Kevin Knox instead". This would not have happened pre-Leon Rose.
Thibs would trade his own child before he trades Grimes lol
We have too many wings. Grimes is legit. Burks and Fournier. When we get our PGs back, playing time is tough.
Gotta think one of those is on the move at the deadline.
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Trading a 1st for a player in a contract year when we have a logjam for playing time already.
Cam has potential. Want to see what Thibs can do with him. We could potentially have a great 3 and D player in him under Thibs.
What do we think this does to Burks minutes though? I have him on my fantasy team
And Hunter is already a better 3 and D guy and they have Hueter and Bogdonavic. Atlanta clearly decided that Cam didn't fit what they were doing long term. Makes sense from their side too.
Good luck Kevin. We will always have that '18 Summer League.
There are rumors that Collins wants out and they may blow the team up aside from Capela and young
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Cam Reddish's defensive impact percentiles (via D-LEBRON).
His defensive impact this season grades out the worst of any Wing Stopper over the last 8 seasons in our database.
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Will be interesting to seen what kind of contract he gets.
This.
The Knicks desperately need to get better defensively. Defense is athleticism and desire, and this guy is super athletic.
After making playoffs last year, he kept the team together but did not fall into the usual Knicks trap of going all in and sacrificing the future.
Lebron's going from team to team misled many people, including Knicks management, into thinking the way you win is to clear the roster to attract superstars. But Lebron is a unique player. You can't use him as a model.
The way you build a team that competes for a decade is still through developing a core. Look at Golden State. Yes, they got Durant but the core is Steph, Clay and Green. GS also does not have Dolan's money and had to let players like Barnes go because they could not afford to keep them.
It's hard to get a core who are all about the same age but Rose is doing it. They still need a big time player, such as Zion, but as constituted, this current group (RJ, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims, Cam, Mitch) could probably evolve into a team that regularly wins 40-50 games a year.
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
LOL.
Somehow I think you would be singing a different tune if they had gotten DeAndre Hunter.
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
Fournier for turner?
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
Right. I don't see where Reddish fits in without another move being made, but not Burks.
But is as of right now those minutes really arent there yet
Based on...?
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
It's not about this year. Burks is completely insignificant. A career backup who will have a few great games and who is in no way a PG.
If they can move Burks for a first, like BC Eagle suggested, they will do it.
Somehow I think you would be singing a different tune if they had gotten DeAndre Hunter.
Of course I would, because Hunter is a winner and a better player. Only concern with him is staying healthy.
Reddish sucks, flat out sucks.
it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
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But what is he good at?
it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
I dint think they wanted to pay him, huerter, bkgdanavjc, gallo, and hunter
Rose is not making moves based primarily on this year. He realizes this team might not even make the playoffs, and even if they do, they won't go far.
His eye is on the future. So, you guys who are saying they can't or won't trade Burks are completely wrong. Rose won't give him away but if he gets good value, Burks, just like all the other vets, will be gone in a second.
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Reddish is not.
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
Fournier for turner?
Pacers are going to want picks,not a guy approaching 30.
Knicks just gave Fournier a market value FA contract; they won't get much for him in a trade.
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Reddish is not.
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
Fournier for turner?
Pacers are going to want picks,not a guy approaching 30.
Knicks just gave Fournier a market value FA contract; they won't get much for him in a trade.
I know that. I mean as salary filler and to open up a rotation spot.
I made mentioned of this a couple if weeks ago people in front office pushing for it and working back channels to get him to put pressure on the Kings
Is Fox really that good? His efficiency numbers really give me concerns.
if that were to happen, it would almost have to include either Fournier (or Randle) based on Fox's contract.
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But what is he good at?
it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
Hawks can't afford him. They are already at 113 million for 2023-4 season and they still have to sign De'Andre Hunter. They struggle to draw fans. Their arena is a mausoleum, located in a not very safe area of downtown. You have to drive to get there for most fans and the traffic is murder.
They have money now that Ressler owns the team but Hawks are still never going to be a team that goes way over the cap for a sustained period unless its for Lebron or Durant or someone of that ilk.
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if that were to happen, it would almost have to include either Fournier (or Randle) based on Fox's contract.
Probably Randle.
Like Marbury, Stevie Francis or Westbrook, he is a great individual talent but does not make his team better.
That said, he is still young and can learn.
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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
Per ESPN:
Charlotte's first-round pick is protected through the top 18 in 2022, the top 16 in 2023, the top 14 in 2024 and the top 14 in 2025. It becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed before 2026.
I am not giving up 3 or 4 1sts for him..
I think he is a good player and can definitely make this team a lot better but he doesnt make them a contender by any means
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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
i wonder if that was earlier in the year and as Grimes got more minutes they said hell no
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of right now the Hornets pick is 20th and thus would be conveyed to the Hawks if the season ended today.
Per ESPN:
Charlotte's first-round pick is protected through the top 18 in 2022, the top 16 in 2023, the top 14 in 2024 and the top 14 in 2025. It becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed before 2026.
Top 18 protected means the Hawks would get the pick as the Hornets currently pick 20th.
The thing is the contract is high (28M), you'd have to basically trade Kemba and Fournier or maybe Kemba, Obi and Burks to make it work salary wise. And I think the Knicks want to preserve a bunch of their trade assets for bigger game hunting. Fox is a really good player but he's not a max level star.
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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
Begely was on with Macri said Hawks wanted Grimes but Knicks said no
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Love this move for the Knicks. Cam Reddish Hive continues to roll
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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
Begely was on with Macri said Hawks wanted Grimes but Knicks said no
Both things can be true (especially considering Begley was the one who reported that some members of the FO were against it)
Barrett,Toppin and Reddish is enough to get excited about.
Can't have Obi, Randle and Grant. Logjam, so that makes sense. Still not sure of the fit for Grant. Can he guard 3s? Ideally, you want someone who can play with Randle at crunch time. Not sure Grant is it.
And yeah, maybe Zion will complete the triumvirate...
haha yep--full disclosure I am all in on Zion. Fat ass and all. I am hopeful the Knicks/Zion union is an inevitability at this point. He'd kick ass in MSG. Shaq light.
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And yeah, maybe Zion will complete the triumvirate...
haha yep--full disclosure I am all in on Zion. Fat ass and all. I am hopeful the Knicks/Zion union is an inevitability at this point. He'd kick ass in MSG. Shaq light.
I qm not the biggest Zion fan but you would think playing with Rj he would grt his ass in shape
That said, I fully expect him to get his head on straight at some point, there is just too much at stake for him. But who knows.
Yea he has some concerns but Zion being scooped up by the Knicks would remind me of the Lakers stepping in shit 235 times over the last 4 decades.
Katz says yes.
Well, in this hypothetical, they could go small with Randle and Grant, who has played some backup five in his life, though rarely in Detroit. His most recent stretch there came just before his thumb injury when Kelly Olynyk was hurt and Isaiah Stewart was suspended. It could work in short spurts. He’s not a great rebounder, but he is a decent shot blocker, particularly when coming over to help.
The Thunder used him as a backup five for much of the 2017-18 season, before he had developed his jumper. He took opposing centers off the dribble and propped up his efficiency with an impressive free-throw rate.
Zion is nowhere near the offensive player Embiid is..
there's also a precedent for players who are the same size/shape as Embiid. Zion is basically an outlier who's carrying a significant weight on a relatiely smaller frame. He should probably be playing offensive line. in the NFL.
I mean look id sign up for zion in a second and convince myself he will get in shape and his body will hold up and all that. But come on we are the knicks, at best he plays 70 games his first year, dominates and then gets hurt in the first round. LOL.
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Guy also had a ton of injuries early in his career but is not (relatively) healthy and is a dominant player. Zion probably is more talented. If you are going to take a risk, take a risk on an insanely gifted player.
there's also a precedent for players who are the same size/shape as Embiid. Zion is basically an outlier who's carrying a significant weight on a relatiely smaller frame. He should probably be playing offensive line. in the NFL.
Zion does have the body type of that kid from George Mason from forever ago.
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The feed you linked only has 3,032 followers and scrolling through I haven't seen a single story they "broke".
Yep, Jai Lewis is who I was thinking of.
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we need a reddish and Rj to post a picture on instagram with thr caption "something is missing"
I thought there was a chance he could be the first star player (under this era's CBA rules) to turn down a max extension and play out his rookie contract and get to unrestricted free agency. But given his injuries, if the Pelicans are offering him anywhere near the max when he's extension eligible, he pretty much has to take it.
Jim - I see it that way too but Rose is no dummy and neither is Thibs. We'll see what the plan is. Hard to imagine there isn't another trade lurking.
As to draft choices - can only have so many rookies/young players. We still have a lot of draft capital.
As for fit with Thibs, Rose is not trading a first for a player Thibs wont play and Reddish is actually a good defender
There's tantalizing upside and a wide range of outcomes. Can he hit the Paul George comps or maybe a Khris Middleton? Will he just be a better version of Reggie Bullock? Or maybe he'll stay what he is, which is inconsistent and disappointing. The Knicks have a couple years to figure out which direction he'll go. Anyways, I like the gamble.
There's tantalizing upside and a wide range of outcomes. Can he hit the Paul George comps or maybe a Khris Middleton? Will he just be a better version of Reggie Bullock? Or maybe he'll stay what he is, which is inconsistent and disappointing. The Knicks have a couple years to figure out which direction he'll go. Anyways, I like the gamble.
You have to think Rose consulted Thibs before this move and you dont give up a 1st albeit protected for a player you dont plan on playing..
When Trae young has been out he averages 20 and with young only 10..When he starts and gets minutes his scoring numbers go up..
I can't see taking minutes from Obi, though, he doesn't get enough as is.
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Rj is more of a 2/3, Reddish is a 3/4..
I can't see taking minutes from Obi, though, he doesn't get enough as is.
Hate to break it to you, i dont think Obi is going to be here for much longer..
and even if Obi is you can easily play reddish and Rj together, they are interchangeable jist like the other wings on this team
With that said, Reddish has the potential to be an all-star based on talent. He can shoot, and he has all of the tools to be a + defender. For the remainder of this year, if they can get him to embrace a 3 and D type of role, and clean up his decision making, I think he will make the front office look very smart for making this move. They really just need to coach him out of some of the unnecessary risks and lapses in focus that you see on D, as well as improve his shot selection. Don’t shoot anything unless it’s at the rim or from 3. The midrange shots he takes are just not what you want from him, and hopefully Thibs can coach that stuff out of him.
Hate to break it to you, i dont think Obi is going to be here for much longer..
OK - who/what are they getting for him?
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Hate to break it to you, i dont think Obi is going to be here for much longer..
OK - who/what are they getting for him?
Turner?
Kemba and Obi for Turner works salary wise.
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Hate to break it to you, i dont think Obi is going to be here for much longer..
OK - who/what are they getting for him?
I dont know but is he treated like a player that is going to be here for awhile?
Really? After taking a rather noticeable step back from last season?
He's on a little hot streak lately, but let's see if that turns into consistent good play rather than the pathetic outings we frequently saw from him earlier in the season.
I can't see the team not making a move at the deadline now. I felt like even before this trade we had a glut of players who needed minutes and now it's even more.
It’s not crap when you’ve heard it from both teams ;)
Or he's 21 and learning the game?
Given his earlier problems with "bugs," it isn't at all surprising that he is just now getting into shape. His 3-point percentage will just get better, and with increased strength and athleticism he is showing more on on-ball defense than last year.
I am highly confident that what we have seen the last 6 games is real, even adjusting down a little. And he is STILL only 21. He will get even stronger, and learn more technique.
That's very hard to tell with Thibs. At least he appears in games, lol.
And yes, I'm not objective either, I'll cop to that.
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I dont know but is he treated like a player that is going to be here for awhile?
That's very hard to tell with Thibs. At least he appears in games, lol.
I dont Rj is the youngest on the team and plays over 30, i believe still 2nd on the team, Quick is over 20 and finishes a lot of games, Grimes is playing more and more and ha sbeen over 20, Mitch plays 30..
It could be Thibs just doesnt like Obi or he is jist not in the plans
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Hate to break it to you, i dont think Obi is going to be here for much longer..
OK - who/what are they getting for him?
Turner?
Kemba and Obi for Turner works salary wise.
I hope so. That trade makes the Knicks a lot better.
If Randle is a good distributor isnt that the opposite of ball stopper?
Rj isnt getting the ball on evwry possession and nor should he, but when he gets the ball he is making smart decisions and he is scoring at all 3 levels..
You seem to watch these games more than most. Aren't you tired of the isolations that turn into fall away jumpers w/a couple seconds on the shot clock? The Knicks are more efficient with him being a distributor and those 6-8 forced shots need be taken by others.
*I think Obi can grow into a player, and Thibs has to find that minute/balance.
You seem to watch these games more than most. Aren't you tired of the isolations that turn into fall away jumpers w/a couple seconds on the shot clock? The Knicks are more efficient with him being a distributor and those 6-8 forced shots need be taken by others.
I am not disagreeing, i have been asking for that from the start, but the ball is going to be in his hands if he is going to be a distributor, so you cant call him a blackhole..
I dont hate iso as much as other people, i think every team iso's and in the playoffs it is basically iso and pick and roll all game..
What bothers me with Randle is he forces the iso, there is a way to iso that can set up the entire offense and it looks awesome..To many times hr isos and forces a shot or forces the dribble..
In the game against the mavs he didnt do that, he ran dribble hand offs, he ran pick and roll where he was the ball handler and roller, when mavs doubled he quickly moved it and got wide open looks..thats what i want..
I dont mind iso, if they dont double take the guy to the hoop and finish strong, if he backs off shoot it, those are good shots
*I think Obi can grow into a player, and Thibs has to find that minute/balance.
I think he can develop into a damn good player but the minutes are just not going to be there to show it..
Notice Grimes played well with everyone out, players come back and he is still getting those minutez..
Obi played well, players come back and his minutes have gone down..
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He hasn't really developed a shot yet. He can't create any sort of offense consistently unless it's an alley oop or fast break dunk. Right now he reminds me of Derrick Williams.
*I think Obi can grow into a player, and Thibs has to find that minute/balance.
I think he can develop into a damn good player but the minutes are just not going to be there to show it..
Notice Grimes played well with everyone out, players come back and he is still getting those minutez..
Obi played well, players come back and his minutes have gone down..
Obi is playing behind Randle. Like you've said, Thibs won't play him at the five by design, so he's got no opening.
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He hasn't really developed a shot yet. He can't create any sort of offense consistently unless it's an alley oop or fast break dunk. Right now he reminds me of Derrick Williams.
*I think Obi can grow into a player, and Thibs has to find that minute/balance.
I think he can develop into a damn good player but the minutes are just not going to be there to show it..
Notice Grimes played well with everyone out, players come back and he is still getting those minutez..
Obi played well, players come back and his minutes have gone down..
Obi is playing behind Randle. Like you've said, Thibs won't play him at the five by design, so he's got no opening.
Randle doesn’t need 38 minutes every single night. There are plenty of ways to get Obi more than 9-10 minutes per game. For whatever reason, Thibs just doesn’t seem to be a huge Obi guy. He’s got the shortest leash on the team
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He hasn't really developed a shot yet. He can't create any sort of offense consistently unless it's an alley oop or fast break dunk. Right now he reminds me of Derrick Williams.
*I think Obi can grow into a player, and Thibs has to find that minute/balance.
I think he can develop into a damn good player but the minutes are just not going to be there to show it..
Notice Grimes played well with everyone out, players come back and he is still getting those minutez..
Obi played well, players come back and his minutes have gone down..
Obi is playing behind Randle. Like you've said, Thibs won't play him at the five by design, so he's got no opening.
If thibs or the front office believed in Obi they would find minutes for him, you dont keep guys you like on the bench and only play them 10 minutes a game
And yes, I'm not objective either, I'll cop to that.
I’m a homer but objective with RJB. I think he’s developing into a star right before our eyes. I’ve never seen him look this good before, in the NBA. He’s had big games the last two years but these performances look different. He just looks more explosive or talented to me. I think he’s growing both mentally and physically even if he doesn’t look any bigger. He’s growing up.
I guess what I’m saying is I expect this play to continue. Maybe not 30 every night but he’s turned a corner. We recently as last April I was saying I wasn’t sure about RJB.
tired narrative
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The one thing that will prevent him from being great is he doesn't have that elite athleticism. He is a real good on ball defender and he is starting to create and make his own shot. I believe he should be option #1 on the offensive end at this point. JR is a ball stopper and the team is better off with him being more of a distributor than focal point
If Randle is a good distributor isnt that the opposite of ball stopper?
I hate this latest narrative about Randle and I’ll scream it from the hilltops that he’s getting way too much shit lately.
Every great offensive force in the nba can be labeled a ball stopper. It’s called iso offense. Literally every single team does it. Teams struggle to always maintain or run a perfect set offense with 1986 Celtics like ball movement every time down the floor. Defenses take that away sometimes or you just struggle to run it. You go ISO if you’re lucky enough to have that player or players that can bail you out sometimes.
Ever since Randle got paid fans started to get all critical on him. He’s still a relative bargain and his contract is virtually harmless. Never fucking fails.
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optimistic but even in his good games he'll do 2-3 things that have you wondering "WTF is he doing?". Could be he just has below average basketball instincts/IQ.
Or he's 21 and learning the game?
I'd buy that if he were making agressive mistakes. But that's not what I'm seeing.
That’s not to say Randle can’t play better but it basically comes down to his 3 pt shot. If he gets hot again from downtown his overall game will once again reach elite status. He plays hard every night filling up the box score.
That’s not to say Randle can’t play better but it basically comes down to his 3 pt shot. If he gets hot again from downtown his overall game will once again reach elite status. He plays hard every night filling up the box score.
I was saying this the other day. And there is something to it.
But I'm very down on Randle lately. Maybe it's just a matter of looking at him for what he is. Which is a third best player on a contender.
Against the mavs he did better and i thought he played a good game but he shouldnt of taken 17 shots..
That is where Randle is hurting the team
I dont think you know what ball stopper means
neither is Barrett
So what? Why are we shitting all over Randle because he’s not Lebron or Durant? How about we develop better players around him?
The guy was a journeyman before busting out last year. We got something good for basically nothing. Be happy we stole an all star but no we have to bitch because he’s not the best player in the league.
We stole Randle. We can build on that alone.
Some of you deserve to watch bad players only.
It just sounds like many Knicks fans want to move this guy in a lateral type move. Friend texted me two days ago saying Obi needs to start Randle should be dumped ASAP. Friggin twilight zone.
I actually do too. He annoys me at times especially since hawks last spring. But some of us need to slow the fuck down.
He has taken less shots than last year and has turn the ball over less than last year..
He needs to play more in the flow rather than force and he will be fine..
Fox - ( New Window )
The other thing is with RJB. I love him and want him to succeed. I was listening to a Ringer pod talk about him and they said something that I think is really true. RJ does great when there's a defender on him that he can bully, and physically impose himself on the game. If there's a longer, athletic player on him, he struggles.
Some of you deserve to watch bad players only.
When the ball goes in the net, you're a scorer. When it doesn't you're a ball stopper. There's some old adage like that.
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NOT THIS WEEK but pre Kemba it started. Don’t throw out crap.
It’s been going on for some time. Why state that it’s this week? If your in the know then you also know we made a call right after Hali was drafted. Interest has been there that long. But it take two to tangle.
It’s not crap when you’ve heard it from both teams ;)
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NOT THIS WEEK but pre Kemba it started. Don’t throw out crap.
It’s been going on for some time. Why state that it’s this week? If your in the know then you also know we made a call right after Hali was drafted. Interest has been there that long. But it take two to tangle.
It’s not crap when you’ve heard it from both teams ;)
Yeah Kings have told the Knicks it has to be a crazy good package for them to say yes
Oh i know, i said a couple of months ago i hear the Knicks had been pursuing Fox and that they have been persistant but the asking price is crazy
The other thing is with RJB. I love him and want him to succeed. I was listening to a Ringer pod talk about him and they said something that I think is really true. RJ does great when there's a defender on him that he can bully, and physically impose himself on the game. If there's a longer, athletic player on him, he struggles.
Agree. Ben Simmmons and De'Andre Hunter are two that have given him a hard time in the past.
Hunter is back from his injury, so that will be a test tomorrow night.
Re Reddish: whenever there is a trade, I always read the other team's fan board because I figure they're the ones who see the player every day and know more than we do.
Opinion seems split down the middle: many Hawks' fans still believe in Reddish's potential to be a good player and think that he may have been held beck by circumstances: injuries, COVID, usage, etc.
About as many were ready to wash their hands of him and get back whatever they could get, given that he is close to being extension eligible. Some called him the worst rotation player on the team over the last two years and offered stats to back it up.
Of course, we have to hope that those with the positive view of CR are more accurate in their perceptions. I have noticed that some Knicks' fans hang on to hopes about top ten picks past the reasonable expiration date.
Nobody seeme
From my source who is outside the organization so this is perception maybe not complete reality..
Wes and Perry want Fox
Thibs and Rose want Brunson
I stand by it when multiple people in the league told me the same thing. They can get Dame or SGA without giving up RJ.
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Made the same comment months ago that Dame could be had without RJB which I called BS.
I stand by it when multiple people in the league told me the same thing. They can get Dame or SGA without giving up RJ.
If they can get SGA without giving up RJ, they have to do it, imo.
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100% guaranteed. Does he put us in the finals? For what you have to give up is the call.
From my source who is outside the organization so this is perception maybe not complete reality..
Wes and Perry want Fox
Thibs and Rose want Brunson
I'm with Thubs and Rose.
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100% guaranteed. Does he put us in the finals? For what you have to give up is the call.
From my source who is outside the organization so this is perception maybe not complete reality..
Wes and Perry want Fox
Thibs and Rose want Brunson
I'm with Thubs and Rose.
mee too
I dont know to be honest, he is a free agent so uaually teams dont get proper value, i also dont know if the Mavs are going to pony up and sign him
Reddish reminds me a lot of Paul George, slightly less athletic, but his big rep in HS hasn't really translated in college or the pros.