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NFT: Cam Reddish traded to Knicks

DanMetroMan : 1/13/2022 11:27 am
Protected 2022 #1 via Charlotte the Hawks, Knicks also get Hill and 2025 2nd from BK
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Wonder if this is the harbinger of another trade?  
TheMick7 : 1/13/2022 12:21 pm : link
Pacers supposedly were in trade talks for Cam & we know the Knicks have interest in Turner. Maybe acquiring Cam sweetens the pot to get him.
About that defense  
shyster : 1/13/2022 12:21 pm : link
Cranjis McBasketball
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Cam Reddish's defensive impact percentiles (via D-LEBRON).

His defensive impact this season grades out the worst of any Wing Stopper over the last 8 seasons in our database.



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RE: Love that for the Knicks  
Ron Johnson : 1/13/2022 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15551198 Jerry in_DC said:
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Reddish is inconsistent and has some uncertainty, but athletic wings are hard to find so thats a good place to take some swings.

Will be interesting to seen what kind of contract he gets.


This.

The Knicks desperately need to get better defensively. Defense is athleticism and desire, and this guy is super athletic.
Zion coming to the Mecca!  
adamg : 1/13/2022 12:21 pm : link
LFG
I don't think the Knicks even wanted the pick to convey this year.  
bceagle05 : 1/13/2022 12:23 pm : link
They have their own and Rokas may come over (though you might as well wait a year til Rose/Kemba are off the books). You'll probably see Burks dealt for a future first to maintain the stash for a bigger trade.
I get the talent. It is obvious.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2022 12:25 pm : link
But Zion scares me long term.
It's about building a young core  
Vanzetti : 1/13/2022 12:26 pm : link
I was not initially excited about Leon Rose but he has shown an incredible ability to have multiple pathways.

After making playoffs last year, he kept the team together but did not fall into the usual Knicks trap of going all in and sacrificing the future.

Lebron's going from team to team misled many people, including Knicks management, into thinking the way you win is to clear the roster to attract superstars. But Lebron is a unique player. You can't use him as a model.

The way you build a team that competes for a decade is still through developing a core. Look at Golden State. Yes, they got Durant but the core is Steph, Clay and Green. GS also does not have Dolan's money and had to let players like Barnes go because they could not afford to keep them.

It's hard to get a core who are all about the same age but Rose is doing it. They still need a big time player, such as Zion, but as constituted, this current group (RJ, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims, Cam, Mitch) could probably evolve into a team that regularly wins 40-50 games a year.
Burks is a ball handler  
shyster : 1/13/2022 12:27 pm : link
Reddish is not.

With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
Got him for free.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2022 12:28 pm : link
But what is he good at?
RE: A dark day in Knicks history  
Vanzetti : 1/13/2022 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15551302 Greg from LI said:
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LOL.

Somehow I think you would be singing a different tune if they had gotten DeAndre Hunter.
RE: Burks is a ball handler  
adamg : 1/13/2022 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15551329 shyster said:
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Reddish is not.

With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.


Fournier for turner?
RE: Burks is a ball handler  
Del Shofner : 1/13/2022 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15551329 shyster said:
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Reddish is not.

With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.


Right. I don't see where Reddish fits in without another move being made, but not Burks.
Reddish  
five5 : 1/13/2022 12:31 pm : link
and RJ were NOT great friends at Duke. Actually didn’t like each other.
There is definitely more moves coming  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2022 12:32 pm : link
and have to assume the next deal is for a point, Deal for Reddish is a no brainer for the fact you gave up nothing for a guy who has proven he can score when given consistent minutez..

But is as of right now those minutes really arent there yet
Burks has low key  
Enzo : 1/13/2022 12:32 pm : link
been one of our best and most important players. It's not like he's expiring, so if the only offers out there are one late first round pick, I'm not making that deal.
RE: Reddish  
adamg : 1/13/2022 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15551342 five5 said:
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and RJ were NOT great friends at Duke. Actually didn’t like each other.


Based on...?
RE: Burks is a ball handler  
Vanzetti : 1/13/2022 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15551329 shyster said:
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Reddish is not.

With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.


It's not about this year. Burks is completely insignificant. A career backup who will have a few great games and who is in no way a PG.

If they can move Burks for a first, like BC Eagle suggested, they will do it.
RE: RE: A dark day in Knicks history  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2022 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15551335 Vanzetti said:
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Somehow I think you would be singing a different tune if they had gotten DeAndre Hunter.


Of course I would, because Hunter is a winner and a better player. Only concern with him is staying healthy.

Reddish sucks, flat out sucks.
RE: Got him for free.  
Enzo : 1/13/2022 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15551332 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But what is he good at?

it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
RE: RE: Got him for free.  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2022 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15551357 Enzo said:
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But what is he good at?


it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?


I dint think they wanted to pay him, huerter, bkgdanavjc, gallo, and hunter
Knicks have the 11th best record in the conference  
Vanzetti : 1/13/2022 12:41 pm : link
Only 4 teams have a worse record.

Rose is not making moves based primarily on this year. He realizes this team might not even make the playoffs, and even if they do, they won't go far.

His eye is on the future. So, you guys who are saying they can't or won't trade Burks are completely wrong. Rose won't give him away but if he gets good value, Burks, just like all the other vets, will be gone in a second.
They’ve made inquiries this week  
ajr2456 : 1/13/2022 12:42 pm : link
On Fox
RE: RE: Burks is a ball handler  
shyster : 1/13/2022 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15551336 adamg said:
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Reddish is not.

With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.



Fournier for turner?


Pacers are going to want picks,not a guy approaching 30.

Knicks just gave Fournier a market value FA contract; they won't get much for him in a trade.
RE: RE: RE: Burks is a ball handler  
adamg : 1/13/2022 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15551384 shyster said:
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In comment 15551329 shyster said:


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Reddish is not.

With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.



Fournier for turner?



Pacers are going to want picks,not a guy approaching 30.

Knicks just gave Fournier a market value FA contract; they won't get much for him in a trade.


I know that. I mean as salary filler and to open up a rotation spot.
RE: They’ve made inquiries this week  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2022 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15551381 ajr2456 said:
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On Fox


I made mentioned of this a couple if weeks ago people in front office pushing for it and working back channels to get him to put pressure on the Kings
RE: They’ve made inquiries this week  
adamg : 1/13/2022 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15551381 ajr2456 said:
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On Fox


Is Fox really that good? His efficiency numbers really give me concerns.
RE: They’ve made inquiries this week  
Enzo : 1/13/2022 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15551381 ajr2456 said:
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On Fox

if that were to happen, it would almost have to include either Fournier (or Randle) based on Fox's contract.
RE: RE: Got him for free.  
Vanzetti : 1/13/2022 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15551357 Enzo said:
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In comment 15551332 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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But what is he good at?


it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?


Hawks can't afford him. They are already at 113 million for 2023-4 season and they still have to sign De'Andre Hunter. They struggle to draw fans. Their arena is a mausoleum, located in a not very safe area of downtown. You have to drive to get there for most fans and the traffic is murder.

They have money now that Ressler owns the team but Hawks are still never going to be a team that goes way over the cap for a sustained period unless its for Lebron or Durant or someone of that ilk.
I flip flopped and now I do not want Fox.  
JohninSC : 1/13/2022 1:01 pm : link
Something about his game I just don't like.
RE: RE: They’ve made inquiries this week  
Vanzetti : 1/13/2022 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15551403 Enzo said:
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On Fox


if that were to happen, it would almost have to include either Fournier (or Randle) based on Fox's contract.


Probably Randle.
RJ  
five5 : 1/13/2022 1:03 pm : link
And Reddish dislike is per Marc Berman and others.
RE: Kind  
81_Great_Dane : 1/13/2022 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15551270 DanMetroMan said:
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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
RE: I flip flopped and now I do not want Fox.  
Vanzetti : 1/13/2022 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15551428 JohninSC said:
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Something about his game I just don't like.


Like Marbury, Stevie Francis or Westbrook, he is a great individual talent but does not make his team better.

That said, he is still young and can learn.
I dont think Rose is stupid  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2022 1:06 pm : link
i am sure they talked to Rj about Reddish, especially if they have been talking for a couple of weeks
RE: RE: Kind  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2022 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15551435 81_Great_Dane said:
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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.

I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.


Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.

"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
RE: As  
steve in ky : 1/13/2022 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15551305 DanMetroMan said:
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of right now the Hornets pick is 20th and thus would be conveyed to the Hawks if the season ended today.


Per ESPN:

Charlotte's first-round pick is protected through the top 18 in 2022, the top 16 in 2023, the top 14 in 2024 and the top 14 in 2025. It becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed before 2026.
The Hawks were not getting a first and Grimes for Reddish  
Vanzetti : 1/13/2022 1:18 pm : link
That would be a huge overpay. Knox and a first is fair value for both sides.
I like Fox  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2022 1:26 pm : link
but i am not giving away every asset for him, Rj and Randle would not be in that deal..

I am not giving up 3 or 4 1sts for him..

I think he is a good player and can definitely make this team a lot better but he doesnt make them a contender by any means
RE: RE: RE: Kind  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2022 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15551460 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15551270 DanMetroMan said:


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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.

I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.



Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.

"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."


i wonder if that was earlier in the year and as Grimes got more minutes they said hell no
RE: RE: As  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2022 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15551462 steve in ky said:
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In comment 15551305 DanMetroMan said:


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of right now the Hornets pick is 20th and thus would be conveyed to the Hawks if the season ended today.



Per ESPN:

Charlotte's first-round pick is protected through the top 18 in 2022, the top 16 in 2023, the top 14 in 2024 and the top 14 in 2025. It becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed before 2026.


Top 18 protected means the Hawks would get the pick as the Hornets currently pick 20th.
Fox is a very good player  
Heisenberg : 1/13/2022 1:36 pm : link
He's not a great shooter but the rest of his game is very good. And his timeline fits the rest of our team. He's less than a year older than Sims, Obi and Mitch.

The thing is the contract is high (28M), you'd have to basically trade Kemba and Fournier or maybe Kemba, Obi and Burks to make it work salary wise. And I think the Knicks want to preserve a bunch of their trade assets for bigger game hunting. Fox is a really good player but he's not a max level star.
I like this  
jpkmets : 1/13/2022 1:48 pm : link
Essentially Reddish for free and see what Thibs can coax from him.
Harper  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2022 2:00 pm : link
gives the Knicks side an A- and basically views it as the "20th" pick in 2022 vs. Reddish and his still potentially untapped upside.
RE: RE: RE: Kind  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2022 2:00 pm : link
In comment 15551460 DanMetroMan said:
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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.

I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.



Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.

"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."


Begely was on with Macri said Hawks wanted Grimes but Knicks said no
I’m iffy on trading for Fox  
ajr2456 : 1/13/2022 2:05 pm : link
But who has Sacramento had for him to really make better? A lot of guys with effort issues or that just aren’t very good
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DanMetroMan : 1/13/2022 2:08 pm : link
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Love this move for the Knicks. Cam Reddish Hive continues to roll
RE: RE: RE: RE: Kind  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15551542 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15551270 DanMetroMan said:


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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.

I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.



Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.

"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."



Begely was on with Macri said Hawks wanted Grimes but Knicks said no


Both things can be true (especially considering Begley was the one who reported that some members of the FO were against it)
Fred  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2022 2:21 pm : link
Katz suggested Obi, Burks and a pick (the one they just traded but the article came out earlier in the morning) and Noel for Jerami Grant
Well I gotta admit  
ghost718 : 1/13/2022 2:35 pm : link
I like this one.

Barrett,Toppin and Reddish is enough to get excited about.
RE: Fred  
Heisenberg : 1/13/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15551580 DanMetroMan said:
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Katz suggested Obi, Burks and a pick (the one they just traded but the article came out earlier in the morning) and Noel for Jerami Grant


Can't have Obi, Randle and Grant. Logjam, so that makes sense. Still not sure of the fit for Grant. Can he guard 3s? Ideally, you want someone who can play with Randle at crunch time. Not sure Grant is it.
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