They have their own and Rokas may come over (though you might as well wait a year til Rose/Kemba are off the books). You'll probably see Burks dealt for a future first to maintain the stash for a bigger trade.
I was not initially excited about Leon Rose but he has shown an incredible ability to have multiple pathways.
After making playoffs last year, he kept the team together but did not fall into the usual Knicks trap of going all in and sacrificing the future.
Lebron's going from team to team misled many people, including Knicks management, into thinking the way you win is to clear the roster to attract superstars. But Lebron is a unique player. You can't use him as a model.
The way you build a team that competes for a decade is still through developing a core. Look at Golden State. Yes, they got Durant but the core is Steph, Clay and Green. GS also does not have Dolan's money and had to let players like Barnes go because they could not afford to keep them.
It's hard to get a core who are all about the same age but Rose is doing it. They still need a big time player, such as Zion, but as constituted, this current group (RJ, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims, Cam, Mitch) could probably evolve into a team that regularly wins 40-50 games a year.
and have to assume the next deal is for a point, Deal for Reddish is a no brainer for the fact you gave up nothing for a guy who has proven he can score when given consistent minutez..
But is as of right now those minutes really arent there yet
been one of our best and most important players. It's not like he's expiring, so if the only offers out there are one late first round pick, I'm not making that deal.
it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
I dint think they wanted to pay him, huerter, bkgdanavjc, gallo, and hunter
Knicks have the 11th best record in the conference
Rose is not making moves based primarily on this year. He realizes this team might not even make the playoffs, and even if they do, they won't go far.
His eye is on the future. So, you guys who are saying they can't or won't trade Burks are completely wrong. Rose won't give him away but if he gets good value, Burks, just like all the other vets, will be gone in a second.
it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
Hawks can't afford him. They are already at 113 million for 2023-4 season and they still have to sign De'Andre Hunter. They struggle to draw fans. Their arena is a mausoleum, located in a not very safe area of downtown. You have to drive to get there for most fans and the traffic is murder.
They have money now that Ressler owns the team but Hawks are still never going to be a team that goes way over the cap for a sustained period unless its for Lebron or Durant or someone of that ilk.
of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
of right now the Hornets pick is 20th and thus would be conveyed to the Hawks if the season ended today.
Per ESPN:
Charlotte's first-round pick is protected through the top 18 in 2022, the top 16 in 2023, the top 14 in 2024 and the top 14 in 2025. It becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed before 2026.
The Hawks were not getting a first and Grimes for Reddish
of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
i wonder if that was earlier in the year and as Grimes got more minutes they said hell no
of right now the Hornets pick is 20th and thus would be conveyed to the Hawks if the season ended today.
Per ESPN:
Charlotte's first-round pick is protected through the top 18 in 2022, the top 16 in 2023, the top 14 in 2024 and the top 14 in 2025. It becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed before 2026.
Top 18 protected means the Hawks would get the pick as the Hornets currently pick 20th.
He's not a great shooter but the rest of his game is very good. And his timeline fits the rest of our team. He's less than a year older than Sims, Obi and Mitch.
The thing is the contract is high (28M), you'd have to basically trade Kemba and Fournier or maybe Kemba, Obi and Burks to make it work salary wise. And I think the Knicks want to preserve a bunch of their trade assets for bigger game hunting. Fox is a really good player but he's not a max level star.
of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
Begely was on with Macri said Hawks wanted Grimes but Knicks said no
of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
Begely was on with Macri said Hawks wanted Grimes but Knicks said no
Both things can be true (especially considering Begley was the one who reported that some members of the FO were against it)
Katz suggested Obi, Burks and a pick (the one they just traded but the article came out earlier in the morning) and Noel for Jerami Grant
Can't have Obi, Randle and Grant. Logjam, so that makes sense. Still not sure of the fit for Grant. Can he guard 3s? Ideally, you want someone who can play with Randle at crunch time. Not sure Grant is it.
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Cam Reddish's defensive impact percentiles (via D-LEBRON).
His defensive impact this season grades out the worst of any Wing Stopper over the last 8 seasons in our database.
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Will be interesting to seen what kind of contract he gets.
This.
The Knicks desperately need to get better defensively. Defense is athleticism and desire, and this guy is super athletic.
After making playoffs last year, he kept the team together but did not fall into the usual Knicks trap of going all in and sacrificing the future.
Lebron's going from team to team misled many people, including Knicks management, into thinking the way you win is to clear the roster to attract superstars. But Lebron is a unique player. You can't use him as a model.
The way you build a team that competes for a decade is still through developing a core. Look at Golden State. Yes, they got Durant but the core is Steph, Clay and Green. GS also does not have Dolan's money and had to let players like Barnes go because they could not afford to keep them.
It's hard to get a core who are all about the same age but Rose is doing it. They still need a big time player, such as Zion, but as constituted, this current group (RJ, IQ, Grimes, Deuce, Sims, Cam, Mitch) could probably evolve into a team that regularly wins 40-50 games a year.
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
LOL.
Somehow I think you would be singing a different tune if they had gotten DeAndre Hunter.
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
Fournier for turner?
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
Right. I don't see where Reddish fits in without another move being made, but not Burks.
But is as of right now those minutes really arent there yet
Based on...?
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
It's not about this year. Burks is completely insignificant. A career backup who will have a few great games and who is in no way a PG.
If they can move Burks for a first, like BC Eagle suggested, they will do it.
Somehow I think you would be singing a different tune if they had gotten DeAndre Hunter.
Of course I would, because Hunter is a winner and a better player. Only concern with him is staying healthy.
Reddish sucks, flat out sucks.
it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
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it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
I dint think they wanted to pay him, huerter, bkgdanavjc, gallo, and hunter
Rose is not making moves based primarily on this year. He realizes this team might not even make the playoffs, and even if they do, they won't go far.
His eye is on the future. So, you guys who are saying they can't or won't trade Burks are completely wrong. Rose won't give him away but if he gets good value, Burks, just like all the other vets, will be gone in a second.
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Reddish is not.
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
Fournier for turner?
Pacers are going to want picks,not a guy approaching 30.
Knicks just gave Fournier a market value FA contract; they won't get much for him in a trade.
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Reddish is not.
With Kemba's knee and Rose's limitations, Knicks can't give Burks away without a ball handler coming back,so that isn't the answer to the logjam.
Fournier for turner?
Pacers are going to want picks,not a guy approaching 30.
Knicks just gave Fournier a market value FA contract; they won't get much for him in a trade.
I know that. I mean as salary filler and to open up a rotation spot.
I made mentioned of this a couple if weeks ago people in front office pushing for it and working back channels to get him to put pressure on the Kings
Is Fox really that good? His efficiency numbers really give me concerns.
if that were to happen, it would almost have to include either Fournier (or Randle) based on Fox's contract.
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But what is he good at?
it's a good question. He's been better this year compared to his first two years - but what does it say that the Hawks were unwilling to commit to him beyond his rookie contract?
Hawks can't afford him. They are already at 113 million for 2023-4 season and they still have to sign De'Andre Hunter. They struggle to draw fans. Their arena is a mausoleum, located in a not very safe area of downtown. You have to drive to get there for most fans and the traffic is murder.
They have money now that Ressler owns the team but Hawks are still never going to be a team that goes way over the cap for a sustained period unless its for Lebron or Durant or someone of that ilk.
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if that were to happen, it would almost have to include either Fournier (or Randle) based on Fox's contract.
Probably Randle.
Like Marbury, Stevie Francis or Westbrook, he is a great individual talent but does not make his team better.
That said, he is still young and can learn.
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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
Per ESPN:
Charlotte's first-round pick is protected through the top 18 in 2022, the top 16 in 2023, the top 14 in 2024 and the top 14 in 2025. It becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed before 2026.
I am not giving up 3 or 4 1sts for him..
I think he is a good player and can definitely make this team a lot better but he doesnt make them a contender by any means
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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
i wonder if that was earlier in the year and as Grimes got more minutes they said hell no
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of right now the Hornets pick is 20th and thus would be conveyed to the Hawks if the season ended today.
Per ESPN:
Charlotte's first-round pick is protected through the top 18 in 2022, the top 16 in 2023, the top 14 in 2024 and the top 14 in 2025. It becomes two second-round picks if not conveyed before 2026.
Top 18 protected means the Hawks would get the pick as the Hornets currently pick 20th.
The thing is the contract is high (28M), you'd have to basically trade Kemba and Fournier or maybe Kemba, Obi and Burks to make it work salary wise. And I think the Knicks want to preserve a bunch of their trade assets for bigger game hunting. Fox is a really good player but he's not a max level star.
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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
Begely was on with Macri said Hawks wanted Grimes but Knicks said no
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Love this move for the Knicks. Cam Reddish Hive continues to roll
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of weird they even contemplated including Grimes. Either they are far higher on Reddish than his numbers would indicate or they are lower on Grimes.
I don't think we can conclude that they contemplated including Grimes. We know Atlanta wanted him; taking that call and making a "Take Knox instead" counter-offer isn't the same as contemplating trading him.
Begley's report sure reads like it was a discussion and not one sided.
"but some decision-makers were opposed to parting with him."
Begely was on with Macri said Hawks wanted Grimes but Knicks said no
Both things can be true (especially considering Begley was the one who reported that some members of the FO were against it)
Barrett,Toppin and Reddish is enough to get excited about.
Can't have Obi, Randle and Grant. Logjam, so that makes sense. Still not sure of the fit for Grant. Can he guard 3s? Ideally, you want someone who can play with Randle at crunch time. Not sure Grant is it.