can we now say Bill Belichick's NFL coaching tree is poison?

theres only so many truly great HCs.

i don't get the knock on his coaching tree which is just an extension of the Parcells tree.

everyone was on Reid's tree a few years back and look at some of those guys now... Frank Reich blew two win and in games. Pederson won a SB and then got fired. Nagy is... Nagy.

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Joe Judge

Al Groh had some good years at Virginia. Still probably won more bowl games than his successors combined.

Tree did better in the NFL than that entire list combined...

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In comment 15551946 George from PA said:

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Vrabel never coached under Bill

He will be coaching again soon; maybe here.

that a sample sizs of 11 is far too small to judge anything like this. I would be willing to bet the correlation between being an assistant under a winning coach and being a winning head coach is very weak. There is no head coach who magically transforms his assistants into ready made head coaches. All these people clammoring about the BB coaching tree don't have a clue

In comment 15551967 Cyrus the Great said:

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that a sample sizs of 11 is far too small to judge anything like this. I would be willing to bet the correlation between being an assistant under a winning coach and being a winning head coach is very weak. There is no head coach who magically transforms his assistants into ready made head coaches. All these people clammoring about the BB coaching tree don't have a clue

I think you are half way there.

The point is coming from BB org should vary little weight

In fact, how involved he is in every aspect, it should be seen as a negative. I’d put more stock in a guy like Graham who has had success with questionable leadership

58-71 over 8 seasons.

The tree itself is poisoned.

Who was more responsible for the Pats success again?

In comment 15551976 Stan in LA said:

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58-71 over 8 seasons. The tree itself is poisoned. Who was more responsible for the Pats success again?

It’s a little too soon to make that call

But they are both all time greats. Unlikely there is ever a combo with the success they had ever again.

Are from Parcells tree

Five seasons coaching in Cleveland didn't convince anyone that Belichick was the greatest head football coach of all time.

In comment 15551959 NorthCountryGiantsFan said:

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Tree did better in the NFL than that entire list combined...

Sean Payton considers himself part of the Parcells tree.

i also think it's fair to speculate belichek may be a bit of a piece of shit. he doesn't seem to prepare his assistants to advance their careers successfully beyond being assistants. It's interesting that Saban's guys go off and succeed, Belichek's don't. they inevitably have to run back to bill, quickly, and he puts them back on his payroll.

and for some the journey is far from ending. What’s pretty interesting about both Bills is they didn’t fire a lot of coaches unless I’m mistaken.

the Belichick tree needs to be chopped down for good. Aside from O'Brien, it's one of the worst coaching trees ever.

In comment 15551946 George from PA said:

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Vrabel was on O’Brien’s staff. I guess in a way that is part of the BB tree

plus his coaching tree probably still have more titles than any other coaching tree, lol.

it's kind of like the Gretzky family has the most points for one family in NHL history with Wayne doing all the heavy lifting and Brent sharing his name.

Bill O'Brien...best of the bunch.

It all.

Might have done fine on a team with a competent GM and talent.

Probably be a year or two before he gets a position-coach job again, unless the Pats take him back. Fortunately for him, he'll be collecting Giants checks for a couple of years while he waits for the league to forget.

And they will. McAdoo got a job again eventually.

other than New England?

In comment 15552098 Angel Eyes said:

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other than New England?

Because it's all Belichick. Everything. From game plan to what's served for lunch in the cafeteria.

Everybody else is along fro the ride.

His tree is not bare guys...All of you forget the most important issue with his tree..They all get HC JOBS WITH THE WORST 5 OR 6 TEAMS IN THE NFL !! They do not get jobs with teams that were in the playoffs do they ?? So why do you give negative feedback on their coaching?? Judge sucked,but this team has been sucking for many years,before he got here..Old Bill Belichek would get fired here also after 2 yrs..

going over the defensive weaknesses of the upcoming opponent in order to come up with an offensive game plan. Others close to the Pats say that Belichick is effectively the defensive coordinator of the team. It both observations are true, maybe Belichick's assistants don't succeed because the Pats' success if not due to them, but to BB.

In comment 15552332 GeofromNJ said:

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going over the defensive weaknesses of the upcoming opponent in order to come up with an offensive game plan. Others close to the Pats say that Belichick is effectively the defensive coordinator of the team. It both observations are true, maybe Belichick's assistants don't succeed because the Pats' success if not due to them, but to BB.

meant to type "is not due to them, but to BB."

In comment 15551960 Producer said:

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Another shot? He had his second shot, agreed to a deal with the Colts and then backed out of it to run back to Belichick.