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| "As I reflect on my tenure with the Giants, I want to express how truly grateful I am for the opportunity to be the head coach of the New York Giants. Thank you to the Mara and Tisch families, to the organization and incredible support staff and to the fans -- proud, loyal fans who rival any fanbase in sports with their passion and devotion. It was a privilege to represent these people during the past two years. Thank you for showing up week-in and week-out to support our team. "I also want to express my appreciation to the coaching staff. They put in long nights and early mornings to help the players be successful. Their work is often behind the scenes, but the dedication and love they invest into these players and team is the foundation for anything that happens on the field. I am proud to have worked with the group of men we had and grateful for each and every one of them. "Finally, to the players -- both present and former -- thank you. To the alumni players who helped invest in our program, thank you for believing in and helping develop these young men. You set the Giants standard and you continue to lead the way. "To the current Giants players, thank you most of all. When I became the head coach, I said that we would ask you to come in and give everything you had every day. And you did. I am so proud of you, grateful for you, and I believe in you. "On behalf of me and my family, we leave New York with the utmost gratitude for the community, the organization, the people and the team. Thank you." |
Hey, he made a deal with the devil. He was a barely 38 year old dude walking into a pile of shit with little reason to believe the existing infrastructure would do any better by him than it had for the last two guys. But he went to bed one night a ST coordinator and woke up the next day the head coach of an NFL team. He wasnt given the keys to a Cadillac by any means. It was a beater at best, and the mechanic fashioned repairs in duct tape. If he could pull it off, he'd be set in the business for life. The flip side being, obviously, if he couldnt pull a rabbit out of his hat, he'd be carried off on his shield.
I think what we saw, both in words and actions, was frustration boiling over giving rise to clouded judgment. The words were a mistake. I think he thought he was saying the right things. Defending his guys and his organization, contrasting his operation against some of the crazy stuff that once went on here and that goes on other places. He failed to consider that in drawing these comparisons, he was, necessarily, taking shots at men who, while not perfect, are respected. The actions, namely, the back to back sneaks, werent strategic. They were a message: fuck-you-back. In either case, you just cant.
My biggest regret for him, and what I think his biggest mistake was during his entire tenure, was not that he was fundamentally "too conservative." It was that he failed to take advantage of having nothing to lose. His roster was not good to begin with, then injury depleted. His record was bad from week 1 both seasons. He literally had nothing to lose. That's exactly the situation where no one, not ownership, not players, not media, not fans, are going to give you shit for saying, fuck it, taking the governor off and going balls out to make something happen. No one was going to criticize him for being reckless. Like they say about an animal backed into a corner is most dangerous, he was backed into a corner from games 2-16/17 both years and instead of bowing up and throwing haymakers, he shrunk. He put his gloves to his head and prayed for the bell. What a wasted opportunity.
Nice summary, Ninja. For a 38-year-old first time coach to have inherited this team, it would have taken a miracle worker to succeed – a prodigy and/or a genius. I look forward to learning how the players actually felt about him, but I suspect they felt as good as any team would feel towards a new, young coach when they've lost so many games. (It's only natural that they'd feel frustration, anger, and resentment because he hasn't been able to turn things around.) I predict he'll return to the NFL in 5-10 years and have a solid career as a head coach. I think he's fundamentally better suited to being a HC than Shurmur or McAdoo, so I agree with Mara that the timing was bad. I wish him well, and I predict he'll end up as the HC of the Eagles somewhere down the road.
Good luck Coach!
That being said, it's not like he had no say in some of it either. He just wasn't good enough. College seems like a good place for him to rebuild and start fresh.
It’s like when I play pool against better players. Sometimes I look like an all star and beat them once every ten games or so.
Judge has never looked like an all star that outshined a good coach.
Even when they beat teams like the raiders ; it was them doing it to themselves because their coach had to abruptly resign and WR killed someone. I can imagine playing a football game was the last thing they felt like doing that Sunday.
They don’t even look good when they win.
As far as the crappy roster, he was involved in that and he put the staff together where virtually no player developed. His “ style” fits the college game better, ot will never work in the pros.
Good luck Coach!
He does not speak well.
Maybe he'll learn from the experience and emerge a better coach. I wish him well. But there's no real reason to think he would have been a solid HC if only the situation was better.
It’s like when I play pool against better players. Sometimes I look like an all star and beat them once every ten games or so.
Judge has never looked like an all star that outshined a good coach.
Even when they beat teams like the raiders ; it was them doing it to themselves because their coach had to abruptly resign and WR killed someone. I can imagine playing a football game was the last thing they felt like doing that Sunday.
They don’t even look good when they win.
Actually it happens like one in every six games I’m playing pool
Judge went into 2021 with a poor Offense, a solid if not good Defense, and probably average Special Teams.
However, he came out of 2021 with an Offense that was abysmal, a Defense that was worse and a Special Teams unit that was worse. That Judge has to own.
Certain he will find a new home to coach and hopefully he can rise back up the ranks and be successful the next time around.
Bye.
He was given a roster that needed upgrades in positions that are the key to win in this league. When you spend big money on WR you do not draft another in the 1st round. It made no sense then and it makes no sense now. We needed an OL we had already paid Galladay. Shepard will be gone and they will have to fix this OL once and for all this year. I wish him well with his future endeavors. I do believe we needed a change and a clean slate. I believe the front office is recognizing things that need to be changed in how they do business. There has and was discussions that we needed to do things different with how decisions in the front office were made. I firmly believe that Mara has now heard what was being said and they will make these changes. In the end Judge may be the best thing that ever happened to this franchise. If because of him the old model gets torn up then we should all be eternally grateful.
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He told everyone this is what he was doing from the start. That it wasn’t going to be an over night process. Yet the cry baby instant gratification NYC fanbase just can’t help itself. They love misery they get off on the whipping boy they love the idea of tanking, and draft picks are worth more than wins. Congrates you got everything you wished for. What should we complain about next? Oh yeah Jones and Barkley… now where did I put my pitchfork.
Huh?
It’s amazing isn’t it? After two seasons, the only evidence of the foundation getting started is players weren’t beating each other up and they have become courteous enough to leave the golf clubs in the car while at practice. Talk about progress. If we were just patient enough we’d have seen that year 3 would have resulted in better cafeteria food for the players and weekly family fun day at the bowling alley. The team would still be an embarrassment but building from the foundation takes time ya know.
He never got the opportunity to build from the ground up, he inherited Gettleman's players selected to play in Shurmur/Betchers scheme. The new GM likely wants to build something from the ground up himself. The results, cap situation and current QB contract points in that direction as well. You don't see a conflict in keeping a hot seat HC and matching him with a first-year GM likely interested in a rebuild? I don't really understand how some people can't reconcile this. Mistakes were made with Judge and it's like some people want to double down on those same mistakes with the new GM.
Classy response by Judge who appears to be a good guy. I don't completely disagree with the idea that "there is a good HC in there" and hope he gets another shot somewhere again.
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He told everyone this is what he was doing from the start. That it wasn’t going to be an over night process. Yet the cry baby instant gratification NYC fanbase just can’t help itself. They love misery they get off on the whipping boy they love the idea of tanking, and draft picks are worth more than wins. Congrates you got everything you wished for. What should we complain about next? Oh yeah Jones and Barkley… now where did I put my pitchfork.
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I was on board for giving him another year before those final 4 games, but there literally was not one aspect that showed up on game day he could hang his hat on. They were sloppy, undisciplined, untalented and, unimaginative.
Don't put this on the fanbase.
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Firing him was the right move given the circumstances, but he totally got a raw deal here.
Mainly from the fans who had no patience and needed to see heads on a platter in order to shut the fuck up.
I'd be interested to hear what you saw on gameday that makes you think he should have stayed here as head coach.
I'm not doubting Joe Judge is a good guy. But some of that misunderstanding needs to fall on Judge. They way he managed games and spoke to the media did not make it seem like he was super intelligent...
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He told everyone this is what he was doing from the start. That it wasn’t going to be an over night process. Yet the cry baby instant gratification NYC fanbase just can’t help itself. They love misery they get off on the whipping boy they love the idea of tanking, and draft picks are worth more than wins. Congrates you got everything you wished for. What should we complain about next? Oh yeah Jones and Barkley… now where did I put my pitchfork.
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I was on board for giving him another year before those final 4 games, but there literally was not one aspect that showed up on game day he could hang his hat on. They were sloppy, undisciplined, untalented and, unimaginative.
Don't put this on the fanbase.
Yep. I was holding out for Judge too...even up until the very end. But I was struggling finding any compelling logic in my position other than we are going to be kind of trainwreck anyway in 2022 so keep him on.
Here's to being a slightly less of a trainwreck with a new Coach!
The fan base? Has Jordan paid attention to the national media? Every single one of them were ripping Judge to shreds. But yeah, let’s go after the fans and not mention his fellow media members
I wish someone would pay me $15M to go away.
I wish someone would pay me $15M to go away.
So I guess the former Giant players (i.e. Strahan, Cruz, Canty, etc.) who either called for or supported the decision to fire Judge are also cry babies that needed instant gratification.
Judge's Giants regressed in year 2 and what's most inexcusable - Judge quit on his team in the last 2 games.
Also, one wonders if he was part of Gettleman's smug declaration about how confident they were in offensive line personnel. If so, he clearly misjudged the key element that determined the team's and his failure. If not, then Gettleman set him up. I don't know if or how much, better coaching might have improved the O-line play or made a difference in a few games. But he seemed not to be able to get a handle on that whole aspect of the game.
Still, if Lawrence doesn't get called for that phantom offsides, if Jackson doesn't drop a game-sealing end zone int., if they found a way to win a very winnable KC game, if Jones doesn't get injured... who knows? He's a likeable guy. I hope he knows that the out-of-bounds viciousness displayed by some does not define the Giants fanbase.
He made mistakes. He was a young coach.
Gettleman did him no favors. Chris Mara and Tim McDonald with their lousy scouting department did him no favors.
He made mistakes but he was also hung out to dry. Nobody was going to win with that roster.
- Game management: Was bad when he started and showed no signs of improvement.
- Scheme/design: We don't know how much of an influence he had on the defensive scheme, but that was the ONLY aspect of this team that at times during his tenure showed some positive signs. Still, the play was inconsistent, frequently plagued by miscommunication and penalties.
- Discipline/intelligent play: Next question.
- Sum of the talent equaling more than the parts: To me, this is the number one thing you're looking for from a coach. Is he getting everything out of what's on the roster and then some. The Giants may have the worst talent in the league. It STILL felt to me like we were getting worse production than that. No unit showed any real progression under him. Problem spots remained problem spots. No real imagination in how strengths were utilized.
Again, he seems like a good guy. I liked everything I heard from him when he was hired. Two years later, I feel bad for him personally...but am not so worried that we'll be looking back at him as the one we cut loose too soon.
He made mistakes. He was a young coach.
Gettleman did him no favors. Chris Mara and Tim McDonald with their lousy scouting department did him no favors.
He made mistakes but he was also hung out to dry. Nobody was going to win with that roster.
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Well done in driving home this hot 2022 agenda even though they have been around for years and barely mentioned next to Gettleman's name.
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- Game management: Was bad when he started and showed no signs of improvement.
- Scheme/design: We don't know how much of an influence he had on the defensive scheme, but that was the ONLY aspect of this team that at times during his tenure showed some positive signs. Still, the play was inconsistent, frequently plagued by miscommunication and penalties.
- Discipline/intelligent play: Next question.
- Sum of the talent equaling more than the parts: To me, this is the number one thing you're looking for from a coach. Is he getting everything out of what's on the roster and then some. The Giants may have the worst talent in the league. It STILL felt to me like we were getting worse production than that. No unit showed any real progression under him. Problem spots remained problem spots. No real imagination in how strengths were utilized.
Again, he seems like a good guy. I liked everything I heard from him when he was hired. Two years later, I feel bad for him personally...but am not so worried that we'll be looking back at him as the one we cut loose too soon.
This sums it up for me. You can have a bad season standings-wise and still witness improvement -- see the 2020 Giants, or the Lions this year. But the 2021 Giants were a mess from game 1, and Judge didn't come up with a single answer the entire time. He got dealt a shit hand, but even with bad personnel, did he do anything in 2021 as a coach -- discipline, scheme, game management, anything -- that showed he could improve on the promise of 2020? Or that he was actually building anything resembling sustained success? Beyond going on and on about "foundation" and "process" in interviews, I mean. Again, look at the Lions, their roster is pretty crap too, but at least you can say the coaching gave them the best chance to win with what they had.
Anyway, I try not to get caught up with whether a coach comes off as a "good guy" or a martinet or a wet noodle. On-the-field results are the only thing that will change the perception of this team, and on that level, Judge was right there with Shurmur as a coach. Both seem like decent men, both were working at a disadvantage, and both were in over their heads. To quote Parcells, you are what your record says you are.
Yes, the endless injuries and lower level talent were reasons , in part, for not being better, let alone much better.
His lack of confidence in his players by (ultra) conservative game plans and play calls would be a towel throw-in to some / many players who in turn opted to make business decisions (Golladay, Bradberry) at critical times. The game plan the last 1/4 of the season especially , was the anti- “you play to win the game.”
His in game coaching was, suspect, often, each game.
His off the wall comments were the piece de resistance to doing himself in, and I think were intentional so he could be where he is now.
Like DG, he made promises yet kept accomplishing the anti- promise.
He’ll be fine with his 15M ‘ bonus’. So will his agent.
Judge may not have been cut out to be a head coach, but he certainly put in the effort, it just didn't translate on the field and he was dealt a brutal roster by the DG.
I know a lot see him returning to college ranks. But, as what? Even there I don't see him as a coordinator.
Hey, he made a deal with the devil. He was a barely 38 year old dude walking into a pile of shit with little reason to believe the existing infrastructure would do any better by him than it had for the last two guys. But he went to bed one night a ST coordinator and woke up the next day the head coach of an NFL team. He wasnt given the keys to a Cadillac by any means. It was a beater at best, and the mechanic fashioned repairs in duct tape. If he could pull it off, he'd be set in the business for life. The flip side being, obviously, if he couldnt pull a rabbit out of his hat, he'd be carried off on his shield.
I think what we saw, both in words and actions, was frustration boiling over giving rise to clouded judgment. The words were a mistake. I think he thought he was saying the right things. Defending his guys and his organization, contrasting his operation against some of the crazy stuff that once went on here and that goes on other places. He failed to consider that in drawing these comparisons, he was, necessarily, taking shots at men who, while not perfect, are respected. The actions, namely, the back to back sneaks, werent strategic. They were a message: fuck-you-back. In either case, you just cant.
My biggest regret for him, and what I think his biggest mistake was during his entire tenure, was not that he was fundamentally "too conservative." It was that he failed to take advantage of having nothing to lose. His roster was not good to begin with, then injury depleted. His record was bad from week 1 both seasons. He literally had nothing to lose. That's exactly the situation where no one, not ownership, not players, not media, not fans, are going to give you shit for saying, fuck it, taking the governor off and going balls out to make something happen. No one was going to criticize him for being reckless. Like they say about an animal backed into a corner is most dangerous, he was backed into a corner from games 2-16/17 both years and instead of bowing up and throwing haymakers, he shrunk. He put his gloves to his head and prayed for the bell. What a wasted opportunity.
Campbell didn't pitch several fits; he kept punching even though that team started 0-10, and he didn't get any 200 million spend on free agents. Maybe that's why Campbell still has a job and Judge doesn't. Judge is immature and needs to grow up before he can be a HC. Good bye and Godspeed.
Did you see something in our special teams the last two years that makes you think this?