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| "As I reflect on my tenure with the Giants, I want to express how truly grateful I am for the opportunity to be the head coach of the New York Giants. Thank you to the Mara and Tisch families, to the organization and incredible support staff and to the fans -- proud, loyal fans who rival any fanbase in sports with their passion and devotion. It was a privilege to represent these people during the past two years. Thank you for showing up week-in and week-out to support our team. "I also want to express my appreciation to the coaching staff. They put in long nights and early mornings to help the players be successful. Their work is often behind the scenes, but the dedication and love they invest into these players and team is the foundation for anything that happens on the field. I am proud to have worked with the group of men we had and grateful for each and every one of them. "Finally, to the players -- both present and former -- thank you. To the alumni players who helped invest in our program, thank you for believing in and helping develop these young men. You set the Giants standard and you continue to lead the way. "To the current Giants players, thank you most of all. When I became the head coach, I said that we would ask you to come in and give everything you had every day. And you did. I am so proud of you, grateful for you, and I believe in you. "On behalf of me and my family, we leave New York with the utmost gratitude for the community, the organization, the people and the team. Thank you." |
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What unit got better under him? Sure, he got dealt a shitty situation, but did he even get the most he could out of what we had? I never felt that way.
I think he comes across as a good motivator and intelligent guy. But I can't remember once in the past 2 years watching this team and thinking..."that was really smart what they just did" or "that was really interesting.". Just never exhibited any special traits from a football perspective and also never really demonstrated strong game management skills. Heck...never even demonstrated strong special teams coaching skills here.
Seems like a good dude...but I don't get the level of respect he still seems to get as a coach.
Learn from it and fight on.
Judge treated all well and with respect.
Players have come out in support of Judge with a common theme that he had their backs and he treated them as family.
While cleaning out lockers one day after the season ended, 10 players stopped by the podium, looked into a Zoom camera at reporters and offered support Monday for the embattled Judge.
I read that he had many of the players and staff to his house.
He had pizzas and beer and that it lasted into the night
He graciously welcomed the coaches and their families to take care of the people who dedicated their last two years to both him and the Giants, moving to New Jersey from all over the country to try and make it work.
Judge raised money for Christmas Gifts for employees
In total, head coach Joe Judge and Giants players pooled together $300,000 in bonuses — a franchise record for these bonuses — and then distributed them to the surprised employees. “To see Coach Judge walking into the kitchen, everyone was like, 'Oh, what's going on?'
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I wish him nothing but the best and anyone taking potshots at the guy are assholes
He had their backs until he showed them up as assholes with his qb sneaks.
He hit the lottery when the lucky sperm recipient made him the HC. He failed in spectacular fashion. He’s not the victim here
What he did right - played no favorites, inspired the players to play hard, even when they were out-manned.
What he did wrong - Come game-time, he showed he was more scared to lose and not confident that he could win. That destroyed the team's confidence.
Best Giants game I've ever seen - I was lucky to see that NFC Championship game in San Francisco (Jan 2012). The 49ers were way better than the Giants; but Tom Coughlin & Eli wanted more. There's two terms in our Hispanic culture that apply here; "cajones"- balls & "ganas" - desire.
I hope our new GM & Coach have a full portion of both.
If the Giants had done things properly in 2019, the new GM would have been responsible for the coaching hire and it wouldn't have been Joe Judge.
That's obviously not his fault, and he had virtually no chance to succeed given the circumstances.
What he did right - played no favorites, inspired the players to play hard, even when they were out-manned.
What he did wrong - Come game-time, he showed he was more scared to lose and not confident that he could win. That destroyed the team's confidence.
Best Giants game I've ever seen - I was lucky to see that NFC Championship game in San Francisco (Jan 2012). The 49ers were way better than the Giants; but Tom Coughlin & Eli wanted more. There's two terms in our Hispanic culture that apply here; "cajones"- balls & "ganas" - desire.
I hope our new GM & Coach have a full portion of both.
As far as things he did wrong, I'll add not standing up to Mara and should have rejected Garrett as OC. I do understand his position though... You have a chance to be head coach of the New York Giants and all you have to do is accept Garrett as your OC?
Hey, he made a deal with the devil. He was a barely 38 year old dude walking into a pile of shit with little reason to believe the existing infrastructure would do any better by him than it had for the last two guys. But he went to bed one night a ST coordinator and woke up the next day the head coach of an NFL team. He wasnt given the keys to a Cadillac by any means. It was a beater at best, and the mechanic fashioned repairs in duct tape. If he could pull it off, he'd be set in the business for life. The flip side being, obviously, if he couldnt pull a rabbit out of his hat, he'd be carried off on his shield.
I think what we saw, both in words and actions, was frustration boiling over giving rise to clouded judgment. The words were a mistake. I think he thought he was saying the right things. Defending his guys and his organization, contrasting his operation against some of the crazy stuff that once went on here and that goes on other places. He failed to consider that in drawing these comparisons, he was, necessarily, taking shots at men who, while not perfect, are respected. The actions, namely, the back to back sneaks, werent strategic. They were a message: fuck-you-back. In either case, you just cant.
My biggest regret for him, and what I think his biggest mistake was during his entire tenure, was not that he was fundamentally "too conservative." It was that he failed to take advantage of having nothing to lose. His roster was not good to begin with, then injury depleted. His record was bad from week 1 both seasons. He literally had nothing to lose. That's exactly the situation where no one, not ownership, not players, not media, not fans, are going to give you shit for saying, fuck it, taking the governor off and going balls out to make something happen. No one was going to criticize him for being reckless. Like they say about an animal backed into a corner is most dangerous, he was backed into a corner from games 2-16/17 both years and instead of bowing up and throwing haymakers, he shrunk. He put his gloves to his head and prayed for the bell. What a wasted opportunity.
You think most fans believe he inherited a good situation and solid roster?
Hey, he made a deal with the devil. He was a barely 38 year old dude walking into a pile of shit with little reason to believe the existing infrastructure would do any better by him than it had for the last two guys. But he went to bed one night a ST coordinator and woke up the next day the head coach of an NFL team. He wasnt given the keys to a Cadillac by any means. It was a beater at best, and the mechanic fashioned repairs in duct tape. If he could pull it off, he'd be set in the business for life. The flip side being, obviously, if he couldnt pull a rabbit out of his hat, he'd be carried off on his shield.
I think what we saw, both in words and actions, was frustration boiling over giving rise to clouded judgment. The words were a mistake. I think he thought he was saying the right things. Defending his guys and his organization, contrasting his operation against some of the crazy stuff that once went on here and that goes on other places. He failed to consider that in drawing these comparisons, he was, necessarily, taking shots at men who, while not perfect, are respected. The actions, namely, the back to back sneaks, werent strategic. They were a message: fuck-you-back. In either case, you just cant.
My biggest regret for him, and what I think his biggest mistake was during his entire tenure, was not that he was fundamentally "too conservative." It was that he failed to take advantage of having nothing to lose. His roster was not good to begin with, then injury depleted. His record was bad from week 1 both seasons. He literally had nothing to lose. That's exactly the situation where no one, not ownership, not players, not media, not fans, are going to give you shit for saying, fuck it, taking the governor off and going balls out to make something happen. No one was going to criticize him for being reckless. Like they say about an animal backed into a corner is most dangerous, he was backed into a corner from games 2-16/17 both years and instead of bowing up and throwing haymakers, he shrunk. He put his gloves to his head and prayed for the bell. What a wasted opportunity.
Nice summary, Ninja. For a 38-year-old first time coach to have inherited this team, it would have taken a miracle worker to succeed – a prodigy and/or a genius. I look forward to learning how the players actually felt about him, but I suspect they felt as good as any team would feel towards a new, young coach when they've lost so many games. (It's only natural that they'd feel frustration, anger, and resentment because he hasn't been able to turn things around.) I predict he'll return to the NFL in 5-10 years and have a solid career as a head coach. I think he's fundamentally better suited to being a HC than Shurmur or McAdoo, so I agree with Mara that the timing was bad. I wish him well, and I predict he'll end up as the HC of the Eagles somewhere down the road.
Good luck Coach!
That being said, it's not like he had no say in some of it either. He just wasn't good enough. College seems like a good place for him to rebuild and start fresh.
It’s like when I play pool against better players. Sometimes I look like an all star and beat them once every ten games or so.
Judge has never looked like an all star that outshined a good coach.
Even when they beat teams like the raiders ; it was them doing it to themselves because their coach had to abruptly resign and WR killed someone. I can imagine playing a football game was the last thing they felt like doing that Sunday.
They don’t even look good when they win.
As far as the crappy roster, he was involved in that and he put the staff together where virtually no player developed. His “ style” fits the college game better, ot will never work in the pros.
Good luck Coach!
He does not speak well.
Maybe he'll learn from the experience and emerge a better coach. I wish him well. But there's no real reason to think he would have been a solid HC if only the situation was better.
It’s like when I play pool against better players. Sometimes I look like an all star and beat them once every ten games or so.
Judge has never looked like an all star that outshined a good coach.
Even when they beat teams like the raiders ; it was them doing it to themselves because their coach had to abruptly resign and WR killed someone. I can imagine playing a football game was the last thing they felt like doing that Sunday.
They don’t even look good when they win.
Actually it happens like one in every six games I’m playing pool
Judge went into 2021 with a poor Offense, a solid if not good Defense, and probably average Special Teams.
However, he came out of 2021 with an Offense that was abysmal, a Defense that was worse and a Special Teams unit that was worse. That Judge has to own.
Certain he will find a new home to coach and hopefully he can rise back up the ranks and be successful the next time around.
Bye.
He was given a roster that needed upgrades in positions that are the key to win in this league. When you spend big money on WR you do not draft another in the 1st round. It made no sense then and it makes no sense now. We needed an OL we had already paid Galladay. Shepard will be gone and they will have to fix this OL once and for all this year. I wish him well with his future endeavors. I do believe we needed a change and a clean slate. I believe the front office is recognizing things that need to be changed in how they do business. There has and was discussions that we needed to do things different with how decisions in the front office were made. I firmly believe that Mara has now heard what was being said and they will make these changes. In the end Judge may be the best thing that ever happened to this franchise. If because of him the old model gets torn up then we should all be eternally grateful.
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He told everyone this is what he was doing from the start. That it wasn’t going to be an over night process. Yet the cry baby instant gratification NYC fanbase just can’t help itself. They love misery they get off on the whipping boy they love the idea of tanking, and draft picks are worth more than wins. Congrates you got everything you wished for. What should we complain about next? Oh yeah Jones and Barkley… now where did I put my pitchfork.
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It’s amazing isn’t it? After two seasons, the only evidence of the foundation getting started is players weren’t beating each other up and they have become courteous enough to leave the golf clubs in the car while at practice. Talk about progress. If we were just patient enough we’d have seen that year 3 would have resulted in better cafeteria food for the players and weekly family fun day at the bowling alley. The team would still be an embarrassment but building from the foundation takes time ya know.
He never got the opportunity to build from the ground up, he inherited Gettleman's players selected to play in Shurmur/Betchers scheme. The new GM likely wants to build something from the ground up himself. The results, cap situation and current QB contract points in that direction as well. You don't see a conflict in keeping a hot seat HC and matching him with a first-year GM likely interested in a rebuild? I don't really understand how some people can't reconcile this. Mistakes were made with Judge and it's like some people want to double down on those same mistakes with the new GM.
Classy response by Judge who appears to be a good guy. I don't completely disagree with the idea that "there is a good HC in there" and hope he gets another shot somewhere again.
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He told everyone this is what he was doing from the start. That it wasn’t going to be an over night process. Yet the cry baby instant gratification NYC fanbase just can’t help itself. They love misery they get off on the whipping boy they love the idea of tanking, and draft picks are worth more than wins. Congrates you got everything you wished for. What should we complain about next? Oh yeah Jones and Barkley… now where did I put my pitchfork.
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I was on board for giving him another year before those final 4 games, but there literally was not one aspect that showed up on game day he could hang his hat on. They were sloppy, undisciplined, untalented and, unimaginative.
Don't put this on the fanbase.
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Firing him was the right move given the circumstances, but he totally got a raw deal here.
Mainly from the fans who had no patience and needed to see heads on a platter in order to shut the fuck up.
I'd be interested to hear what you saw on gameday that makes you think he should have stayed here as head coach.
I'm not doubting Joe Judge is a good guy. But some of that misunderstanding needs to fall on Judge. They way he managed games and spoke to the media did not make it seem like he was super intelligent...
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He told everyone this is what he was doing from the start. That it wasn’t going to be an over night process. Yet the cry baby instant gratification NYC fanbase just can’t help itself. They love misery they get off on the whipping boy they love the idea of tanking, and draft picks are worth more than wins. Congrates you got everything you wished for. What should we complain about next? Oh yeah Jones and Barkley… now where did I put my pitchfork.
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I was on board for giving him another year before those final 4 games, but there literally was not one aspect that showed up on game day he could hang his hat on. They were sloppy, undisciplined, untalented and, unimaginative.
Don't put this on the fanbase.
Yep. I was holding out for Judge too...even up until the very end. But I was struggling finding any compelling logic in my position other than we are going to be kind of trainwreck anyway in 2022 so keep him on.
Here's to being a slightly less of a trainwreck with a new Coach!
The fan base? Has Jordan paid attention to the national media? Every single one of them were ripping Judge to shreds. But yeah, let’s go after the fans and not mention his fellow media members