How many different head coaches and OCs and poor OL can a rookie QB take? Despite your thoughts on his performance or ceiling, this kid has been crushed. And for those truly familiar with his OL and WRs at Duke, the giants OL and talent is like all-pro level.
Just a thought for the masses.
DJ is a backup QB in this league. From all accounts...good kid/hard worker...but we ain't winning a damn thing with him.
Ummm. No. While he is a promising QB, he has stud WRs and a stud rb.
Can we limit response to informed, factually accurate and intelligent responses please?
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Hasn't Herbert had like 6 different OCs? And some terrible lines?
Ummm. No. While he is a promising QB, he has stud WRs and a stud rb.
Can we limit response to informed, factually accurate and intelligent responses please?
The Bengals line is worse than the Giants. They’ve given up 57 sacks. They are absolute garbage.
Jones has the #2 pick at RB and a $72mm WR and a better line.
Just sayin.
But with this neck injury, that might have happened, too.
He's been in the NFL for two years. Name the 6OCs.
Yup, chicken or the egg
Yet, we saw what happened to the offense when he went out.
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Maybe this scenario wouldn’t be so lousy?
Yet, we saw what happened to the offense when he went out.
The giants may have had the worst backup QBs ever. That doesn't mean that Jones was good.
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Maybe this scenario wouldn’t be so lousy?
Yet, we saw what happened to the offense when he went out.
The giants may have had the worst backup QBs ever. That doesn't mean that Jones was good.
That isn’t what hiss stats show from his prior appearances even with the Giants. He’s an average backup.
Not defending Jones but that is the reality.
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In comment 15552147 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Hasn't Herbert had like 6 different OCs? And some terrible lines?
Ummm. No. While he is a promising QB, he has stud WRs and a stud rb.
Can we limit response to informed, factually accurate and intelligent responses please?
The Bengals line is worse than the Giants. They’ve given up 57 sacks. They are absolute garbage.
Jones has the #2 pick at RB and a $72mm WR and a better line.
Just sayin.
lol nfw...
he did?! pretty sure Barkley barely played due to injuries.
Bengals offensive line was not worse
72m wr, pretty sure he was out too.
Couldn’t be more true.
The Giants falling in love with him is the greatest thing that will ever happen to him professionally. He's set for life and got 3 years of NFL starts to prove himself
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In comment 15552147 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Hasn't Herbert had like 6 different OCs? And some terrible lines?
Ummm. No. While he is a promising QB, he has stud WRs and a stud rb.
Can we limit response to informed, factually accurate and intelligent responses please?
The Bengals line is worse than the Giants. They’ve given up 57 sacks. They are absolute garbage.
Jones has the #2 pick at RB and a $72mm WR and a better line.
Just sayin.
This is such an ignorant irrelevant comment.
Just because you can't understand the difference between where a player is drafted and after watching that player what they actually are, doesn't give you the right to say stupid things.
Sit back and read what others have to say and try to learn something instead of typing nonsense.
Arrogant.
The Giants falling in love with him is the greatest thing that will ever happen to him professionally. He's set for life and got 3 years of NFL starts to prove himself
If Jones was 2 inches shorter and/or David Cutcliffe never saw him play he'd be one of the most popular finance bros at Princeton alumni events.
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It's amazing how poorly people assess quarterbacks.
Arrogant.
Probably, but really take a second to think. Stand back and look at the hoops that people are jumping through to convince themselves this is a good player despite 3 years and 37 pro starts that say otherwise.
If Jones had this identical resume in Detroit, would anyone here be jumping through those hoops? Not a chance.
The thread starter and all arguments in the same vein are, frankly, superfan garbage that wouldn't be taken seriously here if he didn't play for the Giants.
Jones is what he is. There's no butterfly just dying to break free from the cocoon here.
Did you watch that last 6 games???? They were shit without him!!!
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some of the instability is on Jones' shoulders. It's not like he's been a lone bright star in the offense.
Did you watch that last 6 games???? They were shit without him!!!
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some of the instability is on Jones' shoulders. It's not like he's been a lone bright star in the offense.
Did you watch that last 6 games???? They were shit without him!!!
With Jones, we averaged 18.4 PPG over his 11 games.
That would be good for 27th in the league.
In other words, with Jones we were still horrible. Just a little less.
The panthers like just as bad and the panthers nearly as bad as the giants.
How many are defending darnold and asking to trade for him and defend him?
Lots of QBs were in jones situation ie pkaying for a terrible team. Some have had success playing elsewhere after getting a second chance on another team. By the looks of things that’ll jones soon. No one knows how that ll turn out. Probably bad.
Our team offense was the perfect storm of suckiness from FO to HC to OC to QB to OL to injuries at skill positions. Sadly, Jones was probably our best offensive player this year. But that’s damning with faint praise.
The Giants falling in love with him is the greatest thing that will ever happen to him professionally. He's set for life and got 3 years of NFL starts to prove himself
Jones would have been gone at #10 to the Broncos or #14 to the Dolphins.
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He'd have like $20m fewer dollars and would bave been benched halfway through his 2nd year (think Drew Lock $ and career path)
The Giants falling in love with him is the greatest thing that will ever happen to him professionally. He's set for life and got 3 years of NFL starts to prove himself
Jones would have been gone at #10 to the Broncos or #14 to the Dolphins.
There is not a shred of evidence thus is true. But there are many that did not have a first round grade on him.
Davis Mills and David Carr.
Both out performed DJ this year.
He played decently when he played this year. We have seen what a train wreck at QB looks like and Jones is better. Jones biggest problem is that he has been injury prone and is missing games. DJ's performance did not directly lead to any losses this year except the Rams game a week after his concussion. Does he elevate those around him? probably not.
Jones will be in training camp if he is healthy. Hopefully with some decent competition to push him. Let the best QB win.
Daniel Jones is to Eli Manning as Oshane Ximines is to Lawrence Taylor.
He played decently when he played this year. We have seen what a train wreck at QB looks like and Jones is better. Jones biggest problem is that he has been injury prone and is missing games. DJ's performance did not directly lead to any losses this year except the Rams game a week after his concussion. Does he elevate those around him? probably not.
Jones will be in training camp if he is healthy. Hopefully with some decent competition to push him. Let the best QB win.
I think this is fair.
If the Giants could get anything of value in return for DJ - they should do it...but I doubt they can.
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He'd have like $20m fewer dollars and would bave been benched halfway through his 2nd year (think Drew Lock $ and career path)
The Giants falling in love with him is the greatest thing that will ever happen to him professionally. He's set for life and got 3 years of NFL starts to prove himself
Jones would have been gone at #10 to the Broncos or #14 to the Dolphins.
Not sure how many times this has to be discussed that these teams did not have Jones lined up to be taken before #17. We have had several threads over the past year going through this including reports out of the Denver war room.
Gettleman simply fell for whatever disinformation and rumors that were circling on draft day, panicked and pulled Jones all the way up to #6.
And really what difference does it make anyway at this point? Nobody should be praising the Jones QB evaluation whether he was taken #6, #10, #14, #17 or even 2nd round for that matter. The guy that chose him just lost his job and likely the same fate will fall on Jones.
I mean - it totally could have...but is it conceivable that the Mara inner circle have been eyeing this kid as the next Eli for years and were in DG's ear about making sure he didn't slip through their fingers?
idk - but it wouldn't shock me.