Giants can't afford a Day 1 or 2 pick that they have to wait a year for.
Realistically, why? They have no chance to be good next year.
I’m not necessarily saying they should draft him, but the Giants are 2-3 years (at minimum) away from playoff contention. Finding future value should be the plan.
Giants can't afford a Day 1 or 2 pick that they have to wait a year for.
Realistically, why? They have no chance to be good next year.
I’m not necessarily saying they should draft him, but the Giants are 2-3 years (at minimum) away from playoff contention. Finding future value should be the plan.
Think of it from the perspective of the new GM who has to show significant progress in the first year. Do you draft a player you have to wait a year or 2 for, or do you draft players that contribute immediately while addressing the team's most glaring weaknesses?
The 5th year option that it includes mitigates the semi-lost season, so a team picking at the end of round one will value him more than teams picking at the top of round 2.
The risk isn't the lost season (which won't be completely lost, especially when you consider all the knowledge he will gain from meeting and practice time that he takes into year two). He's a no-brainer for a team like the Chiefs. I could see the Patriots gobbling him up as well.
Giants can't afford a Day 1 or 2 pick that they have to wait a year for.
Realistically, why? They have no chance to be good next year.
I’m not necessarily saying they should draft him, but the Giants are 2-3 years (at minimum) away from playoff contention. Finding future value should be the plan.
Think of it from the perspective of the new GM who has to show significant progress in the first year. Do you draft a player you have to wait a year or 2 for, or do you draft players that contribute immediately while addressing the team's most glaring weaknesses?
I’m not thinking of it from from that perspective because it’s the exact kind of idiotic perspective used by Dave Gettleman four years ago. Immediate impact isn’t relevant in a multi year rebuild like this.
The 5th year option that it includes mitigates the semi-lost season, so a team picking at the end of round one will value him more than teams picking at the top of round 2.
The risk isn't the lost season (which won't be completely lost, especially when you consider all the knowledge he will gain from meeting and practice time that he takes into year two). He's a no-brainer for a team like the Chiefs. I could see the Patriots gobbling him up as well.
Forgot to finish up my point! The risk isn't the lost season, it's the uncertainty about his full recovery. Some people are as good as new and go another ten seasons without a serious injury. Others are never quite the same. And for some, it's only a matter of time before the next ACL injury. This is one where you turn to the doctors and the statisticians to help inform the grade you ultimately give him.
Also, he'll start the year on PUP and will in all likelihood ready to start practicing with the team during that 5-7 week window, so he would take up a roster spot until mid-season. Which would put him in mid-season form by the time the playoffs rolled around (assuming a full to near-full recovery by then). So it's an easy choice for teams that made this year's playoffs and expect to make next year's playoffs as well.
They have no chance to be good next year. I’m not necessarily saying they should draft him, but the Giants are 2-3 years (at minimum) away from playoff contention.
I could easily see the Giants making the playoffs next year, especially if they are lucky on the injury front. If this year's Eagles can make the playoffs, next year's Giants can make it.
The 5th year option that it includes mitigates the semi-lost season, so a team picking at the end of round one will value him more than teams picking at the top of round 2.
The risk isn't the lost season (which won't be completely lost, especially when you consider all the knowledge he will gain from meeting and practice time that he takes into year two). He's a no-brainer for a team like the Chiefs. I could see the Patriots gobbling him up as well.
Forgot to finish up my point! The risk isn't the lost season, it's the uncertainty about his full recovery. Some people are as good as new and go another ten seasons without a serious injury. Others are never quite the same. And for some, it's only a matter of time before the next ACL injury. This is one where you turn to the doctors and the statisticians to help inform the grade you ultimately give him.
Also, he'll start the year on PUP and will in all likelihood ready to start practicing with the team during that 5-7 week window, so he would take up a roster spot until mid-season. Which would put him in mid-season form by the time the playoffs rolled around (assuming a full to near-full recovery by then). So it's an easy choice for teams that made this year's playoffs and expect to make next year's playoffs as well.
Really good points here. And I agree with you that he would make a lot of sense for a presumed playoff team, and would be especially intriguing to teams like KC and NE.
Giants can't afford a Day 1 or 2 pick that they have to wait a year for.
Realistically, why? They have no chance to be good next year.
I’m not necessarily saying they should draft him, but the Giants are 2-3 years (at minimum) away from playoff contention. Finding future value should be the plan.
Think of it from the perspective of the new GM who has to show significant progress in the first year. Do you draft a player you have to wait a year or 2 for, or do you draft players that contribute immediately while addressing the team's most glaring weaknesses?
I’m not thinking of it from from that perspective because it’s the exact kind of idiotic perspective used by Dave Gettleman four years ago. Immediate impact isn’t relevant in a multi year rebuild like this.
"idiotic perspective"? Please. Thank you for sharing
My general view is that NFL front offices use too high a “discount rate” in acquiring personnel, probably because they are always at risk of getting fired. Meaning that the benefits of future draft picks and players recovering from injuries like Williams are always undervalued. There’s an arbitrage opportunity here for a smart GM with job stability.
i'm sure he gets drafted in the second round at the latest
but aside from the risk of recovery and not ever seeing him at full speed in person, my concern is the contract. if he goes 1st he gets 4 years and if he's good you give him the 5th. so you can have him 3-4 years of playing. if it's second round no option year so all you get is the guy playing 3 years. i don't think a wr would take as long to bounce back, but we saw saquon not look as good only one year removed. what if he has a slower recovery? his second year, he's still not 100%? now you're talking 2 years. that's a lot of draft capital for that. i'm not saying land him mid 2nd round it's not exciting. i just don't know if i'd give up even the early 2nd the giants have for him if he fell. the other side of it is you get a serious first round talent later. so that's obviously very intriguing. all i hope is the guy making those decisions this year is the right pick.
I’m not thinking of it from from that perspective because it’s the exact kind of idiotic perspective used by Dave Gettleman four years ago. Immediate impact isn’t relevant in a multi year rebuild like this.
"idiotic perspective"? Please. Thank you for sharing
I don't want the next GM to be under pressure to deliver immediate results when what's necessary is nearly a total rebuild. The buffoon who previously held that job walked into his first draft with a "win now" mentality and made a fool of himself immediately.
I'm sure we're all hoping the next GM isn't a fool.
My guess is gets drafted in the top 20. ACL is a routine procedure and recovery process and has been for a while. Wes Welker tore his in the playoffs one year and I believe he started week 1 the following season. I would say Williams is activated week 8 or so at the latest.
I could see the Eagles drafting him with one of their 1st round picks, which obviously would really suck.
I tore my ACL about 25 years ago and was back to basketball, soccer, running, snowboarding, etc. about a year later and haven't had a single issue with that knee since then. My doc actually told me my reconstructed knee is actually stronger and more stable than the knee that wasn't injured.
I tore my ACL about 25 years ago and was back to basketball, soccer, running, snowboarding, etc. about a year later and haven't had a single issue with that knee since then. My doc actually told me my reconstructed knee is actually stronger and more stable than the knee that wasn't injured.
In general, that's what they say, that the reconstructed knee is stronger and more stable, but it could be an indication that the other knee is at increased risk. Also, it does seem like some athletes are never the same. There could be several reasons for that.
Thirty-two doctors will take a look at his knee at least twice. They will check on his knee at the combine and again within a week or two of the draft. Teams will be paying attention to how hard he works at his rehab. This is a chance to show his work ethic and determination.
They have no chance to be good next year. I’m not necessarily saying they should draft him, but the Giants are 2-3 years (at minimum) away from playoff contention.
I could easily see the Giants making the playoffs next year, especially if they are lucky on the injury front. If this year's Eagles can make the playoffs, next year's Giants can make it.
Why so pessimistic?
Shouldn't you be saying Super Bowl and maybe an undefeated season are right there for the Giants to grasp?
Realistically, why? They have no chance to be good next year.
I’m not necessarily saying they should draft him, but the Giants are 2-3 years (at minimum) away from playoff contention. Finding future value should be the plan.
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Giants can't afford a Day 1 or 2 pick that they have to wait a year for.
Realistically, why? They have no chance to be good next year.
I’m not necessarily saying they should draft him, but the Giants are 2-3 years (at minimum) away from playoff contention. Finding future value should be the plan.
The risk isn't the lost season (which won't be completely lost, especially when you consider all the knowledge he will gain from meeting and practice time that he takes into year two). He's a no-brainer for a team like the Chiefs. I could see the Patriots gobbling him up as well.
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Giants can't afford a Day 1 or 2 pick that they have to wait a year for.
Realistically, why? They have no chance to be good next year.
I’m not necessarily saying they should draft him, but the Giants are 2-3 years (at minimum) away from playoff contention. Finding future value should be the plan.
Think of it from the perspective of the new GM who has to show significant progress in the first year. Do you draft a player you have to wait a year or 2 for, or do you draft players that contribute immediately while addressing the team's most glaring weaknesses?
I’m not thinking of it from from that perspective because it’s the exact kind of idiotic perspective used by Dave Gettleman four years ago. Immediate impact isn’t relevant in a multi year rebuild like this.
The risk isn't the lost season (which won't be completely lost, especially when you consider all the knowledge he will gain from meeting and practice time that he takes into year two). He's a no-brainer for a team like the Chiefs. I could see the Patriots gobbling him up as well.
Also, he'll start the year on PUP and will in all likelihood ready to start practicing with the team during that 5-7 week window, so he would take up a roster spot until mid-season. Which would put him in mid-season form by the time the playoffs rolled around (assuming a full to near-full recovery by then). So it's an easy choice for teams that made this year's playoffs and expect to make next year's playoffs as well.
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The 5th year option that it includes mitigates the semi-lost season, so a team picking at the end of round one will value him more than teams picking at the top of round 2.
The risk isn't the lost season (which won't be completely lost, especially when you consider all the knowledge he will gain from meeting and practice time that he takes into year two). He's a no-brainer for a team like the Chiefs. I could see the Patriots gobbling him up as well.
Forgot to finish up my point! The risk isn't the lost season, it's the uncertainty about his full recovery. Some people are as good as new and go another ten seasons without a serious injury. Others are never quite the same. And for some, it's only a matter of time before the next ACL injury. This is one where you turn to the doctors and the statisticians to help inform the grade you ultimately give him.
Also, he'll start the year on PUP and will in all likelihood ready to start practicing with the team during that 5-7 week window, so he would take up a roster spot until mid-season. Which would put him in mid-season form by the time the playoffs rolled around (assuming a full to near-full recovery by then). So it's an easy choice for teams that made this year's playoffs and expect to make next year's playoffs as well.
Really good points here. And I agree with you that he would make a lot of sense for a presumed playoff team, and would be especially intriguing to teams like KC and NE.
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Giants can't afford a Day 1 or 2 pick that they have to wait a year for.
Realistically, why? They have no chance to be good next year.
I’m not necessarily saying they should draft him, but the Giants are 2-3 years (at minimum) away from playoff contention. Finding future value should be the plan.
Think of it from the perspective of the new GM who has to show significant progress in the first year. Do you draft a player you have to wait a year or 2 for, or do you draft players that contribute immediately while addressing the team's most glaring weaknesses?
I’m not thinking of it from from that perspective because it’s the exact kind of idiotic perspective used by Dave Gettleman four years ago. Immediate impact isn’t relevant in a multi year rebuild like this.
My general view is that NFL front offices use too high a “discount rate” in acquiring personnel, probably because they are always at risk of getting fired. Meaning that the benefits of future draft picks and players recovering from injuries like Williams are always undervalued. There’s an arbitrage opportunity here for a smart GM with job stability.
Why? Are we super bowl contenders next year?
I’m not thinking of it from from that perspective because it’s the exact kind of idiotic perspective used by Dave Gettleman four years ago. Immediate impact isn’t relevant in a multi year rebuild like this.
"idiotic perspective"? Please. Thank you for sharing
I don't want the next GM to be under pressure to deliver immediate results when what's necessary is nearly a total rebuild. The buffoon who previously held that job walked into his first draft with a "win now" mentality and made a fool of himself immediately.
I'm sure we're all hoping the next GM isn't a fool.
I could see the Eagles drafting him with one of their 1st round picks, which obviously would really suck.
Thirty-two doctors will take a look at his knee at least twice. They will check on his knee at the combine and again within a week or two of the draft. Teams will be paying attention to how hard he works at his rehab. This is a chance to show his work ethic and determination.
Someone in the first round will grab him, he'd be a huge pick for GB.
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They have no chance to be good next year. I’m not necessarily saying they should draft him, but the Giants are 2-3 years (at minimum) away from playoff contention.
I could easily see the Giants making the playoffs next year, especially if they are lucky on the injury front. If this year's Eagles can make the playoffs, next year's Giants can make it.
Why so pessimistic?
Shouldn't you be saying Super Bowl and maybe an undefeated season are right there for the Giants to grasp?
Why not? We’re not winning anything next year. In fact giants should probably try to be bad again.
A team that is competing for the super bowl is the one who wants an impact rookie.