Putting the carriage before the horse here but I am opening up to the idea of Leftwich at HC.
He's young but has real NFL experience. Got the most out of Winston in 2019. Did his job as OC with a stacked Offense last year and delivered in the SB.
Yea, he has Brady but he's doing his job. Bucs are a top 2 offense across the board.
Hortiz at GM
Leftwich HC
Pep Hamilton at OC(good QB coach)
Retain Graham at DC
Sign me up!
I think he’s a legitimate candidate and smart guy, but hard pass since his QB is basically the OC.
The offense is hard to rate because they were also dead last in TOV%. They ranked 18th in offensive EPA despite that 3rd overall PPG ranking due to their insane hit or miss offensive style with Winston. They had 30 INTs that year, 2nd worst came in at 21. That’s not sustainable. They were gifted Brady with an insane receiving corps. I have nothing against Leftwich, seems like a bright guy. But I don’t believe in him at all because he has Tom fucking Brady as his boss.
The NYG is Waterloo for career advancement.
This org needs a re-tread. There is no patience in the fanbase or ownership for a young coach. We have tried and failed, and failed, then promised more patience, and failed again. Give me a Caldwell type for a few years, and see if we can right the ship
Was Brady Mcdaniels boss as well? How about Weis before him?
He got a team with Winston, 2 WRs, and not much else to break team records. Winstons 30 INTs are on Winston not Leftwich. Their backfield of Peyton and RoJo was atrocious as well.
Thats fair. I think the bend dont break stuff was more so us not being able to get to the QB and losing about 100+ tackles from Martinez this year when he went out. I think 2020 was a better indication of what this offense couldve been and we only got stronger at DB this year. Adding a rusher and a sideline to sideline LB would go a long way.
Was Brady Mcdaniels boss as well? How about Weis before him?
He got a team with Winston, 2 WRs, and not much else to break team records. Winstons 30 INTs are on Winston not Leftwich. Their backfield of Peyton and RoJo was atrocious as well.
So the positives are because of Leftwich but the negatives are not his fault at all? Really?
Yea I was exaggerating about Brady being his boss. But he’s also Tom Brady. He’s older and knows more about being a great QB than Leftwich has ever dreamed of. It’s an interesting dynamic. And even if you want to somehow give extra credit to Leftwich because of that offensive style, it’s wrong because that’s an Arians offense all the way and that hit/miss style has been Arians’ style since forever.
So when you hire Leftwich you really don’t know what you’re getting. The GOAT QB, a HC with a clear and known aggressive offensive style, an incredibly loaded receiving corps. How much of the Bucs success is because of Leftwich? My money is on “a little”. Good luck to him, always was a fan of his since his OL carried him in college, but hard pass. Give me someone with more experience.
I think there are better/more experienced candidates, but I will leave that up to the new GM. Hopefully he knows what a HC needs to succeed and if he chooses Byron, great.
Did he look good when Winston was throwing 30+ picks a year? A lot of OCs look good when they have TB12.
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I respect Bruce Arians a great deal, and he loves Leftwich
Did he look good when Winston was throwing 30+ picks a year? A lot of OCs look good when they have TB12.
Sometimes the QB has a defect that you can't coach out of him. In fact, that's usually the case. Witness, Daniel Jones.
My only dilemma with Byron is I want Horitz, but I don't think he'll be Horitz's guy. I know he's tied to Adrian Wilson but not sure who else.
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I respect Bruce Arians a great deal, and he loves Leftwich
Did he look good when Winston was throwing 30+ picks a year? A lot of OCs look good when they have TB12.
What the hell does Leftwich have to do with Winston being a turnover machine? Did the interceptions continue when a better QB stepped in? Same system, where did the turnovers go?
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I will say a big no to Patrick "Rod Rust 2.0 Bend & Break Defense" Graham.
Thats fair. I think the bend dont break stuff was more so us not being able to get to the QB and losing about 100+ tackles from Martinez this year when he went out. I think 2020 was a better indication of what this offense couldve been and we only got stronger at DB this year. Adding a rusher and a sideline to sideline LB would go a long way.
How can you say we lost 100+ tackles by losing Martinez? We didn't play with 10 defenders the rest of the season.
You lose the margin when a player gets injured, not the entirety.
+1 agree no PG. As we move ahead no need to carry anything from the past.
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I will say a big no to Patrick "Rod Rust 2.0 Bend & Break Defense" Graham.
Thats fair. I think the bend dont break stuff was more so us not being able to get to the QB and losing about 100+ tackles from Martinez this year when he went out. I think 2020 was a better indication of what this offense couldve been and we only got stronger at DB this year. Adding a rusher and a sideline to sideline LB would go a long way.
How can you say we lost 100+ tackles by losing Martinez? We didn't play with 10 defenders the rest of the season.
You lose the margin when a player gets injured, not the entirety.
in regards to impact. martinez made big plays for us last year that weren't being made htis year. especially in run defense.
That’s the word from former Buccaneers running back LeSean Mccoy, who said on the I Am Athlete podcast that in McCoy’s 12-year NFL career, the only coach he ever saw make a specific point of helping players hit their contract incentives was Leftwich.
“That’s the first team I ever played on where Byron Leftwich . . . in like Week 13 or 14, he said, ‘Anyone got any incentives in your contract? If you do, let me know, I’ll try to get you your paper, because I’m all about that,'” McCoy recalled.
Leftwich said late in the 2020 season that he wanted receiver Mike Evans to get 1,000 receiving yards, and McCoy remembered that a year later, saying that Leftwich made a specific point of calling plays for Evans because he knew how much the 1,000-yard mark meant to him.
oh wait no, because that didn't happen.