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Byron Leftwich

Platos : 1/13/2022 11:01 pm
Putting the carriage before the horse here but I am opening up to the idea of Leftwich at HC.

He's young but has real NFL experience. Got the most out of Winston in 2019. Did his job as OC with a stacked Offense last year and delivered in the SB.

Yea, he has Brady but he's doing his job. Bucs are a top 2 offense across the board.

Hortiz at GM
Leftwich HC
Pep Hamilton at OC(good QB coach)
Retain Graham at DC

Sign me up!
Leftwich looks like a very good candidate to me  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2022 11:05 pm : link
I respect Bruce Arians a great deal, and he loves Leftwich
Nope  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/13/2022 11:12 pm : link
He has Brady.

I think he’s a legitimate candidate and smart guy, but hard pass since his QB is basically the OC.
Leftwich's offense was #3 in points the year before they got Brady  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2022 11:14 pm : link
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He’s not may favorite  
Jay on the Island : 1/13/2022 11:16 pm : link
But I wouldn’t be upset if the new GM hires him as HC.
I'm very intrigued by Leftwich.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2022 11:17 pm : link
He deserves a TON of credit for their super bowl. The offense that Tampa Bay started out with wasn't the same offense they finished with. The way he adapted that offense was rare to me. How many guys can switch things up like they did? I also like the fact that he mixes it up from week to week with how they pass and run. I have had disagreements with some posters on here that they couldn't run but this year they leaned on Fournette a lot. Some games Brady would throw it like 40 times. Others Fournette would shoulder the load. It is easy to dismiss him but I see way more from him than I see from Bienemy. Leftwich has gotten high praise from others around the NFL as well.
RE: Leftwich's offense was #3 in points the year before they got Brady  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/13/2022 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15552315 Greg from LI said:
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The offense is hard to rate because they were also dead last in TOV%. They ranked 18th in offensive EPA despite that 3rd overall PPG ranking due to their insane hit or miss offensive style with Winston. They had 30 INTs that year, 2nd worst came in at 21. That’s not sustainable. They were gifted Brady with an insane receiving corps. I have nothing against Leftwich, seems like a bright guy. But I don’t believe in him at all because he has Tom fucking Brady as his boss.
there is no way he would choose this job  
dancing blue bear : 1/13/2022 11:30 pm : link
nor should he. none of the offensive wunderkind will likely take their HC shot in New York. 2-3 years salary is a nice parting gift, but then you are an OC for life.

The NYG is Waterloo for career advancement.

This org needs a re-tread. There is no patience in the fanbase or ownership for a young coach. We have tried and failed, and failed, then promised more patience, and failed again. Give me a Caldwell type for a few years, and see if we can right the ship

Interesting Idea  
Trainmaster : 1/13/2022 11:33 pm : link
I will say a big no to Patrick "Rod Rust 2.0 Bend & Break Defense" Graham.
Its unfair to call Brady his boss  
Platos : 1/13/2022 11:35 pm : link
And theres no proof behind that.

Was Brady Mcdaniels boss as well? How about Weis before him?

He got a team with Winston, 2 WRs, and not much else to break team records. Winstons 30 INTs are on Winston not Leftwich. Their backfield of Peyton and RoJo was atrocious as well.
RE: Interesting Idea  
Platos : 1/13/2022 11:41 pm : link
In comment 15552334 Trainmaster said:
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I will say a big no to Patrick "Rod Rust 2.0 Bend & Break Defense" Graham.


Thats fair. I think the bend dont break stuff was more so us not being able to get to the QB and losing about 100+ tackles from Martinez this year when he went out. I think 2020 was a better indication of what this offense couldve been and we only got stronger at DB this year. Adding a rusher and a sideline to sideline LB would go a long way.
RE: Its unfair to call Brady his boss  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/13/2022 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15552336 Platos said:
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And theres no proof behind that.

Was Brady Mcdaniels boss as well? How about Weis before him?

He got a team with Winston, 2 WRs, and not much else to break team records. Winstons 30 INTs are on Winston not Leftwich. Their backfield of Peyton and RoJo was atrocious as well.


So the positives are because of Leftwich but the negatives are not his fault at all? Really?

Yea I was exaggerating about Brady being his boss. But he’s also Tom Brady. He’s older and knows more about being a great QB than Leftwich has ever dreamed of. It’s an interesting dynamic. And even if you want to somehow give extra credit to Leftwich because of that offensive style, it’s wrong because that’s an Arians offense all the way and that hit/miss style has been Arians’ style since forever.

So when you hire Leftwich you really don’t know what you’re getting. The GOAT QB, a HC with a clear and known aggressive offensive style, an incredibly loaded receiving corps. How much of the Bucs success is because of Leftwich? My money is on “a little”. Good luck to him, always was a fan of his since his OL carried him in college, but hard pass. Give me someone with more experience.
I will not be upset if  
section125 : 1/14/2022 2:05 am : link
he is the HC because he seems to be smart, upbeat and confident but if you remember there was a big dust up with Brady and the staff by midseason of last year and shortly after the offense settled out and they win the Super Bowl. So just what was the dustup and what exactly caused things to start humming in that offense? Did Arians and Leftwich listen to Brady or did Brady change? If Brady was the one that correct the the offense, then Leftwich was smart enough to listen and learn - means he is able to adapt and improve.

I think there are better/more experienced candidates, but I will leave that up to the new GM. Hopefully he knows what a HC needs to succeed and if he chooses Byron, great.
Huge  
Straw Hat : 1/14/2022 2:54 am : link
No to Patrick graham and his overrated defense. Teams had their way with us when it counted all year. Seemed like every game right before half a team would march down the field and score, and late in games it was the same way. Huge no thanks.
RE: Leftwich looks like a very good candidate to me  
GMen72 : 1/14/2022 3:22 am : link
In comment 15552310 Greg from LI said:
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I respect Bruce Arians a great deal, and he loves Leftwich


Did he look good when Winston was throwing 30+ picks a year? A lot of OCs look good when they have TB12.
RE: RE: Leftwich looks like a very good candidate to me  
Producer : 1/14/2022 4:11 am : link
In comment 15552387 GMen72 said:
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I respect Bruce Arians a great deal, and he loves Leftwich



Did he look good when Winston was throwing 30+ picks a year? A lot of OCs look good when they have TB12.


Sometimes the QB has a defect that you can't coach out of him. In fact, that's usually the case. Witness, Daniel Jones.
I just think with  
BigBlueJ : 1/14/2022 6:29 am : link
a young team we will end up building do we really want a first time GM and a first time HC? We need experience somewhere to develop these kids or we will end up with the same issue that we had with JJ.
No thanks  
LoveFootball : 1/14/2022 7:00 am : link
Next!
I'm open to Leftwich  
Biteymax22 : 1/14/2022 7:55 am : link
Seems to have done a good job as an OC. Remember, when he was a QB in this league a slow release and poor mobility did him in but he was always known as a team leader and someone the guys respected and played harder for.

My only dilemma with Byron is I want Horitz, but I don't think he'll be Horitz's guy. I know he's tied to Adrian Wilson but not sure who else.
RE: RE: Leftwich looks like a very good candidate to me  
BigBlueShock : 1/14/2022 8:26 am : link
In comment 15552387 GMen72 said:
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I respect Bruce Arians a great deal, and he loves Leftwich



Did he look good when Winston was throwing 30+ picks a year? A lot of OCs look good when they have TB12.

What the hell does Leftwich have to do with Winston being a turnover machine? Did the interceptions continue when a better QB stepped in? Same system, where did the turnovers go?
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ryanmkeane : 1/14/2022 8:47 am : link
interesting candidate - I'd be on board but not sure any of the GMs we would want have "ties" to him
I like the idea of Leftwich much more than a retread who hasn't had  
BLUATHRT : 1/14/2022 8:50 am : link
success. I'd prefer a proven winner, but who is that? Harbaugh, Quinn, Flores? Harbaugh is the only one of that group that would have me excited. I appreciate the turnaround the Dolphins had, but they also started 1-7. Not exactly exciting to me that his team could lose 6 straight with basically the same roster.
RE: RE: Interesting Idea  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/14/2022 8:57 am : link
In comment 15552340 Platos said:
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I will say a big no to Patrick "Rod Rust 2.0 Bend & Break Defense" Graham.



Thats fair. I think the bend dont break stuff was more so us not being able to get to the QB and losing about 100+ tackles from Martinez this year when he went out. I think 2020 was a better indication of what this offense couldve been and we only got stronger at DB this year. Adding a rusher and a sideline to sideline LB would go a long way.

How can you say we lost 100+ tackles by losing Martinez? We didn't play with 10 defenders the rest of the season.

You lose the margin when a player gets injured, not the entirety.
I like Leftwich  
Sammo85 : 1/14/2022 9:27 am : link
more than Daboll or Bienemy if you go the OC route.

RE: Interesting Idea  
NJLCO : 1/14/2022 9:42 am : link
In comment 15552334 Trainmaster said:
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I will say a big no to Patrick "Rod Rust 2.0 Bend & Break Defense" Graham.

+1 agree no PG. As we move ahead no need to carry anything from the past.
The more I think about the group of HC candidates  
illmatic : 1/14/2022 10:17 am : link
The more I’m really liking the idea of Leftwich becoming HC. I’m more sold on him than I am on Daboll or Martindale. I’d rather have an offensive coach than a defensive one too.
RE: RE: RE: Interesting Idea  
Platos : 1/14/2022 10:39 am : link
In comment 15552520 Gatorade Dunk said:
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I will say a big no to Patrick "Rod Rust 2.0 Bend & Break Defense" Graham.



Thats fair. I think the bend dont break stuff was more so us not being able to get to the QB and losing about 100+ tackles from Martinez this year when he went out. I think 2020 was a better indication of what this offense couldve been and we only got stronger at DB this year. Adding a rusher and a sideline to sideline LB would go a long way.


How can you say we lost 100+ tackles by losing Martinez? We didn't play with 10 defenders the rest of the season.

You lose the margin when a player gets injured, not the entirety.


in regards to impact. martinez made big plays for us last year that weren't being made htis year. especially in run defense.
Problem with IDing a HC  
Simms11 : 1/14/2022 10:45 am : link
is most are thinking purely offense or defense coordinators with no head coaching experience. Yea, that side of the ball will most likely improve, however what kind of managerial and leadership qualities does this guy have and can he run a program? How about managing games? Shurmur was a prime example. He was a good offensive mind and OC, but a terrible HC. We can't get this wrong this time. 3 failed Head Coaches in 6 years! The next guy ALSO has to be capable of running the team and leading on game days. Those are traits that have been overlooked by many here. That's why I'm advocating for a guy that's been successful as a HC and is currently an coordinator or available, such as Dan Quinn or Flores, Pedersen.
Interesting:  
Big Blue '56 : 1/14/2022 10:53 am : link
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That’s the word from former Buccaneers running back LeSean Mccoy, who said on the I Am Athlete podcast that in McCoy’s 12-year NFL career, the only coach he ever saw make a specific point of helping players hit their contract incentives was Leftwich.

“That’s the first team I ever played on where Byron Leftwich . . . in like Week 13 or 14, he said, ‘Anyone got any incentives in your contract? If you do, let me know, I’ll try to get you your paper, because I’m all about that,'” McCoy recalled.

Leftwich said late in the 2020 season that he wanted receiver Mike Evans to get 1,000 receiving yards, and McCoy remembered that a year later, saying that Leftwich made a specific point of calling plays for Evans because he knew how much the 1,000-yard mark meant to him.

remember when everyone blamed Gilbride  
Platos : 1/14/2022 11:03 am : link
for eli's 25 and 27 INT seasons?

oh wait no, because that didn't happen.

His resume is respectable  
Highlander : 1/14/2022 12:22 pm : link
But like many qualified coordinators the questions must center around his leadership skills, game management, and who would he seek to have on his staff.
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