for the sake of argument, let me define success as making the playoffs more often than not, & gt;66%.
You could look at the 07-11 Giants and say the HC was more important.
If you look at the Eagles, you would probably say the GM is the one keeping them competitive, same for the Cowboys.
in KC, you would probably have to give Reid the credit.
Now to be in the elite category, you probably need both firing on all cylinders along with the right QB, (GB, Pitt, Ravens)
+1. GM picks the players. All you have to do is look at the sorry state of the Giants.
This team must get its foundation fixed....the trenches..that is GM with system in mind.
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I find it interesting...they think Brady bails him out of poor game planning, as evidenced by how much more dominant they look later in games when he starts taking over the offense.
Not sure I agree, but there's a contingent of fans that pin all of their success on their excellent GM/cap guys and of course Tom. Many of them think Arians is along for the ride.
But a bad coach can be given great players and not use them well. Imagine if the Giants got LT and made him play a rigid assignment drop back read and react style.
I suspect great players will still make some plays and cover for some bad coaching a lot more than a coach can cover for too many bad players. Scheme will only get you so far if your DL gets blown off the ball consistently.
Of the newer generation Reich, Vrabel, Shanahan, McDermott, Flores, Stefanski, Taylor, Staley have shown the potential to be at that level.
I left Lafleur/McCarthy out because both are tough to judge based on the Rodgers factor.
The reason why all those guys are more important than their Gms is because most of the GMs they worked with have mixed records that pre-date the coaches with different results. Jason Licht came in last place 4/5 years before Arians got to town. The Browns have had 3 GMs in the last 5 years and all had losing records until Stefanski. How many different GMs have Reid and Belichek worked with? How many went on to build anything notable without them?
He has to organize a staff, develop/coach players, develop the overall roster, gameplan/strategize, manage the actual game, etc.
Those are huge responsibilities to determine the outcome of a game
Barry Switzer won a SB with a team Johnson built.
All coaches (in ALL sports) are only as good as the talent the GM brings in. Sure, sometimes a good coach can squeeze more out of a less talented group. But the two roles need to work together for success, and ultimately the GM is more important IMO.
The Giants fired coaches when they should have been firing GMs -- particularly when it was Coughlin over Reese. It wasn't Tom's fault the cupboard was bare. FWIW, it wasn't really Joe Judge's fault he had terrible talent either.
Good way of looking at things.
This.
If the Giants can somehow get Jim Harbough, folks will find out first hand.
I agree with this.
You need a GM to win games, but an HC to win big games.
If the Giants can somehow get Jim Harbough, folks will find out first hand.
Harbaugh did more for the Giants as SF coach than he would do as Giants coach, if you want to talk championships.