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NFT: 1/14 Knicks Talk: Kevin Knox Appreciation Thread

JohninSC : 1/14/2022 11:29 am
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Knicks stockpiling assets for a bigger deal. For now, adding Cam Reddish without taking away a rotation player means too many wings unless Alec Burks stays at PG. Presumably, Kemba Walker is back for Atlanta Saturday. Your move, Thibodeau. (twitter.com)


It's from Berman. But it does make sense. Leon Rose has shown that he likes to move from a position of power. And with the stockpiling of assets, I see them making a move relatively soon. D'Aaron Fox for Fournier and ??

Also, does the move of bringing in Reddish reinforce the notion that Barrett isn't moving and it's slowly becoming his team?

Knicks are in Atlanta tomorrow.
Knicks Fans, Help Me Out Here  
M.S. : 1/14/2022 11:48 am : link

I stopped watching the Knicks many years ago but I do know they made tremendous strides last season, and this season promised to be even better...

...and for this exhibition season, and the first 8-10 games of regular season, it really looked like the Knicks were finally on their way to making some real noise.

Question: WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?

Any thoughts, insights much appreciate. Thanks in advance!
Knicks  
31southst : 1/14/2022 11:52 am : link
I think just expectations were too high. The Vegas over/under was something like 41.5 wins (i.e., a .500 team), and that is what they are now.

For specifics, the East as a whole is better than anticipated and most of the players are having better season that last year. Randle regressed, RJ regressed (although that may have been health related as he looks much better), Kemba was not a smooth fit, etc.
RE: Knicks Fans, Help Me Out Here  
JohninSC : 1/14/2022 11:52 am : link
In comment 15552841 M.S. said:
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I stopped watching the Knicks many years ago but I do know they made tremendous strides last season, and this season promised to be even better...

...and for this exhibition season, and the first 8-10 games of regular season, it really looked like the Knicks were finally on their way to making some real noise.

Question: WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?

Any thoughts, insights much appreciate. Thanks in advance!


Knicks regressed from last year defensively. They traded off defense for offense. When the offense goes through slumps (Fournier, Kemba, RJ an Randle), they didn't have the defense to keep them in the game. They blew a couple of leads earlier on.

Lately they got their footing and may be heading this ship back in the right direction.
Its simple they dont have stars  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2022 11:55 am : link
Until you get stars and you have good players not great your going to be 500..

They were a 500 basketball team last year until they finished strong with a 9 game win streak and finished 20-4..

They have the exact same record as they did last year at this same point so its not like they are worse than last year..

I think this years team has more talent but are having trouble finding chemistry, which i think they are starting to find..

They are 7-3 in last 10, 5-1 to start 9-17 in between when Rj and Randle were both bad..

Injuries and covid hurt them a little bit also..
Rose has been out too much too  
adamg : 1/14/2022 11:57 am : link
Big hole on the team when you're MVP is out.
The Knicks HAVE made tremendous strides. But:  
81_Great_Dane : 1/14/2022 12:06 pm : link
They are still a work in progress. They have stockpiled good (but not star) players and draft picks. They are in a great position to make a trade and consolidate assets. The Reddish trade was a hint of that.

Randle was an elite player last year, this year not so much. Someone speculated that it may not be a coincidence that he performed so well last year without fans around. Could be he is too sensitive to booing.

Plus it's a very different mix of players from last year. I think fans underestimate how much time it takes for a team to learn to play together.

It was around this point in the season last year that the Knicks got Derrick Rose, who had a huge impact. He has been out after ankle surgery, probably not back for another 3-4 weeks. I expect him to have an impact again. In the meantime, the young guys are getting valuable minutes. I wish they'd find more minutes for Obi Toppin, if only so we can really see what we have. But, you know, work in progress. More trades surely coming. The roster is going to look different in March.
RE: Knicks Fans, Help Me Out Here  
djm : 1/14/2022 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15552841 M.S. said:
Quote:

I stopped watching the Knicks many years ago but I do know they made tremendous strides last season, and this season promised to be even better...

...and for this exhibition season, and the first 8-10 games of regular season, it really looked like the Knicks were finally on their way to making some real noise.

Question: WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?

Any thoughts, insights much appreciate. Thanks in advance!


They are fine. They have the same record as this time last year and their defense has gotten into a big time groove the last 2-3 weeks. They will finish the season above 500 and make the playoffs in my view.
Biggest problem  
JohninSC : 1/14/2022 12:38 pm : link
this year is the Knicks overachieved last year and set the bar a little too high.
Chris haynes says  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2022 12:52 pm : link
trade interest in De'aaron Fox is heating up
RE: Chris haynes says  
robbieballs2003 : 1/14/2022 12:57 pm : link
In comment 15552995 nygiants16 said:
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trade interest in De'aaron Fox is heating up


In general or specifically for the Knicks?
RE: RE: Chris haynes says  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2022 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15553022 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15552995 nygiants16 said:


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trade interest in De'aaron Fox is heating up



In general or specifically for the Knicks?


in general
Reddish wont play for a little bit  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2022 1:01 pm : link
because of an ankle injury, so guess no rotational decisions just yet
RE: Its simple they dont have stars  
Beezer : 1/14/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15552861 nygiants16 said:
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Until you get stars and you have good players not great your going to be 500..

They were a 500 basketball team last year until they finished strong with a 9 game win streak and finished 20-4..

They have the exact same record as they did last year at this same point so its not like they are worse than last year..

I think this years team has more talent but are having trouble finding chemistry, which i think they are starting to find..

They are 7-3 in last 10, 5-1 to start 9-17 in between when Rj and Randle were both bad..

Injuries and covid hurt them a little bit also..


That's about it!
Reddish is a big get for a worthless pick  
larryflower37 : 1/14/2022 3:18 pm : link
That most fans killed them for after the draft. He has a ton of upside and 2 years of control at only 22 I think the Knicks see him as a possible starter.
He was so buried on the Hawks depth chart they took whatever they could get for him.
The kid can play and the hawks just don't have the opportunity to develop him.
The Reddiah injury may be a little bit of a blessing  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2022 3:51 pm : link
he can learn the playbook and get used to playing with everyone before another trade is made to relieve the log jam
I would not count on it  
Pete44 : 1/14/2022 4:09 pm : link
I would not count on another trade.

I have heard the prices on some of the targets are astronomical, even a guy like Jerami Grant.

AJR - you hearing the same?
RE: I would not count on it  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2022 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15553321 Pete44 said:
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I would not count on another trade.

I have heard the prices on some of the targets are astronomical, even a guy like Jerami Grant.

AJR - you hearing the same?


the prices are always high leading up and the deadline day the prices drop
Knicks are going to make another deal  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2022 4:24 pm : link
it may not be the big deal they hope but they are going to relieve some of this depth they have at the wing...

Reddish wanted a trade to a team where he could get more minutes, Knicks didnt trade a mid first to sit him and add a disgruntled player
RE: Knicks are going to make another deal  
larryflower37 : 1/14/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15553342 nygiants16 said:
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it may not be the big deal they hope but they are going to relieve some of this depth they have at the wing...

Reddish wanted a trade to a team where he could get more minutes, Knicks didnt trade a mid first to sit him and add a disgruntled player

I agree I think Burks and/or Fournier are on the block.
I think this let's the Knicks play RJ at the 2 and get a true wing with Reddish.
The more I listen to podcasts  
larryflower37 : 1/14/2022 6:15 pm : link
And so called experts the more I feel like the Knicks stole Can and his upside it huge.
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Vanzetti : 1/14/2022 10:53 pm : link
I don’t think Tibbs has a decisive voice at all. Rose is in charge and he seems to be very much looking towards the future
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adamg : 1/14/2022 11:31 pm : link
In comment 15553622 Vanzetti said:
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I don’t think Tibbs has a decisive voice at all. Rose is in charge and he seems to be very much looking towards the future


I think it's a balance. Taj and Rose are Thibs guys.

I think it's a bit of both.
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Stu11 : 1/15/2022 12:00 am : link
In comment 15553622 Vanzetti said:
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I don’t think Tibbs has a decisive voice at all. Rose is in charge and he seems to be very much looking towards the future

It really is amazing. When they brought Rose in to run things we all thought it was to add quick fix star power. Instead he has built up a great scouting team and really had concentrated on building towards the future. Not every move has worked out, but he decidedly has avoided mortgaging the future so far 2 years in.
Yep, year two is when every previous Knicks regime  
bceagle05 : 1/15/2022 12:12 am : link
started making panic moves (after preaching patience in year one and/or cleaning up a mess) - so far so good with Leon. They needed a big wing and got one in Reddish. They need a C who can shoot and a point guard too, and seem to be shopping for both at the right price. Nothing major going out unless it moves the needle.
I dont think it is all Rose  
nygiants16 : 1/15/2022 7:40 am : link
he built a good team around him and everyone has a role to play..

Aller is the cap guy and supposedly has a good amount of power in the front office

Perrin is their draft guy and the guy who looks for diamonds in the rough..

Wes is the back channel guy, he has connections to a lot of players..

Perry is the leg work, calling teams about trades and canvassing thr league.


Rose takes everyones opinion and then makes a decision and that includes Thibs, you dont make moves without consulting your coach, if you get a guy your coach doesnt like or want or need the trade is never going to work..
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