First- Does anyone know where he is in the civil legal process? Is this likely to drag on and has NFL taken any disciplinary action?
Second- I realize he would have a $35 million cap hit, the Giants are up against the cap and would need to unload/restructure a lot of salary, and that he does not fit the Mara's character ideal, but why not trade for him? A "buy low" opportunity. Trade #7, one of the 3rd rd picks, and any player but Thomas from the current roster for Watson. Could turn things around quickly.
Exactly. The Dolphins were reported going to give up at least 3 firsts if not more IF he resolved his civil disputes. And that is still with potential criminal charges looming.
Buy low is definitely not happening. The Texans played it in a fashion that screams the price will be high.
I’d do it if his legal issues were officially dead but until that happens he’s off limits. I don’t think any team trades for him until then.
Wowzers
- expend your top draft capital
- stretch your cap issues even further
- make this guy the face of the franchise
With that said, if they would take Jones and Saquon in an even up deal....sure
:-)
The talk about Mariota was largely as competition for DJ, but also with the thought that he would be a good backup.
As an aside, I am happy that you are back. You do not know me, but I have enjoyed most of your posts over the years, the whole being reasonable about things approach. You were smart to take a break as the negative nellies were crazily enjoying themselves.
Ok, thanks
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about bringing in Mariota. Was that as a starter, a vier for the starting position or a back-up? He’s not been all that much after his first two years, iirc..
The talk about Mariota was largely as competition for DJ, but also with the thought that he would be a good backup.
As an aside, I am happy that you are back. You do not know me, but I have enjoyed most of your posts over the years, the whole being reasonable about things approach. You were smart to take a break as the negative nellies were crazily enjoying themselves.
Interesting perspective since many of those posters were right ... again.
Then the team nosdives by October and BB56 disappears until January because he doesnt want to take the heat for being wrong - again.
If I knew he was cleared to play for 2022? All legal issues washed away? Fuck yes I’d trade 3 first rounders for Watson. Let me throw in some contracts to make the salaries work?? In a heartbeat. We’d have our star qb for the next decade. We’d still have all the picks after round 1 to use and most next year. And cap room because I’m sending a big contract or two back.
I know I know rebuilding and all that. Gimme the qb, thanks in advance.
I know they've taken some players with character concerns before, but not at QB. I don't see it happening.
And Flores wanted Watson - which calls Flores into question. How can Flores want this guy?
What were/are the thoughts on here about the 33 year-old Russell Wilson and the steep expenditure of draft capital possibly required in addition to taking on that contract? I honestly don’t mean it as a loaded question though it can easily be construed as such. Just curious what the majority thought
But I just can’t see how Watson comes back from this.
Louis CK is still cancelled
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Highly unlikely they're taking back big contracts. Watson is a loser and not worth the attention paid let alone the draft assets and huge contract. I'll stick to that and pass.
What were/are the thoughts on here about the 33 year-old Russell Wilson and the steep expenditure of draft capital possibly required in addition to taking on that contract? I honestly don’t mean it as a loaded question though it can easily be construed as such. Just curious what the majority thought
I am 33 so this is the worst Giants stretch of my life time.
I also know enough about Giants history that when they did the same thing in 1967 to get Fran Tarkenton nothing changed. They won a few more games, that's it.
This team isn't just a Russell Wilson away from winning it all. I don't think he is the sauce that can cover up the sins of the last 10 years.
The Texans need to move on from him. Given all the risk and PR fallout for the team trading for him, they cannot expect to get 3 1's for him. Fact is they have not gotten that to date if they are asking for that. The longer this goes, the worse things get for the Texans, and they are still paying him his contract.
A first, third, roster player and salary relief may start to look good to them.
Does having a legitimate starting QB with character issues present more problems for the Maras than what they put in the field the last 5 years?
The greatest Giant of all time had character and legal issues too and I doubt anyone here regrets his being on the team.
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about bringing in Mariota. Was that as a starter, a vier for the starting position or a back-up? He’s not been all that much after his first two years, iirc..
The talk about Mariota was largely as competition for DJ, but also with the thought that he would be a good backup.
As an aside, I am happy that you are back. You do not know me, but I have enjoyed most of your posts over the years, the whole being reasonable about things approach. You were smart to take a break as the negative nellies were crazily enjoying themselves.
Well if we need to classify folks with derogatory group names. I guess we can say the Negative Nellies were right about the situation and the Happy Sunshine Band was wrong (again).
If we're talking prostitution, I'm very interested in a great 26 year old QB who also likes paying for hand jobs.
If we're talking sexual assault, I'd like to see him go through the criminal justice system.
Footbal-wise this is not just a win now move. He's 26. This is a win now and win later move. We can argue about price, but he is an extremely valuable player.
But I just can’t see how Watson comes back from this.
Louis CK is still cancelled
And yet we all still get bleary-eyed when someone mentions LT...
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The hope would be bridge starter until they find Jones' replacement, and/or backup.
Ok, thanks
You think draft pick this year?
Yep, I have judged him before all the facts have come out in court. I read up a lot on this, I won't debate all my reasons, too nuanced.
Also, over the years, I have learned to trust JonC on character issues with players. He has a nose for it.
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Highly unlikely they're taking back big contracts. Watson is a loser and not worth the attention paid let alone the draft assets and huge contract. I'll stick to that and pass.
What were/are the thoughts on here about the 33 year-old Russell Wilson and the steep expenditure of draft capital possibly required in addition to taking on that contract? I honestly don’t mean it as a loaded question though it can easily be construed as such. Just curious what the majority thought
As for Watson, it was split. My take is Wilson is far better than Jones, but I would not trade for him. He will be 34 next year, which is not ancient for a QB, but for one for whom speed and quickness are assets, it is a concern. Between age and some struggles after his injury, I am leery.
But, most importantly, I would view this as more for a win now scenario. If they trade at least one first this year, that is one less top tier OL we are taking. Without a vastly improved OL and overall roster improvement, Wilson will account for how many more wins? One or two? It will likely take at least a year or two to improve to the point where we can realistically compete. He's only getting older.
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Highly unlikely they're taking back big contracts. Watson is a loser and not worth the attention paid let alone the draft assets and huge contract. I'll stick to that and pass.
What were/are the thoughts on here about the 33 year-old Russell Wilson and the steep expenditure of draft capital possibly required in addition to taking on that contract? I honestly don’t mean it as a loaded question though it can easily be construed as such. Just curious what the majority thought
Bruce - welcome back. I, personally, am glad to "see" you.
As for Watson, it was split. My take is Wilson is far better than Jones, but I would not trade for him. He will be 34 next year, which is not ancient for a QB, but for one for whom speed and quickness are assets, it is a concern. Between age and some struggles after his injury, I am leery.
But, most importantly, I would view this as more for a win now scenario. If they trade at least one first this year, that is one less top tier OL we are taking. Without a vastly improved OL and overall roster improvement, Wilson will account for how many more wins? One or two? It will likely take at least a year or two to improve to the point where we can realistically compete. He's only getting older.
My personal preference if we look to bring in someone is Minshew. He is going into year 4 of a 4 year rookie deal. I don't know if Philly would deal with us and I know it's a trade soe say we should have made this past offseason. But, I would deal for him and even extend him. I think he is vastly underrated and from day 1 would be serious competition for the starting spot. At the very worst, I think he is oe of the best backups in the league. He produced in Jax and look at his lone start this year, even if against the Jets.
If we're talking prostitution, I'm very interested in a great 26 year old QB who also likes paying for hand jobs.
If we're talking sexual assault, I'd like to see him go through the criminal justice system.
Footbal-wise this is not just a win now move. He's 26. This is a win now and win later move. We can argue about price, but he is an extremely valuable player.
Jerry - The problem is sexual assault. The women involved were masseurs, not prostitutes. Just to be clear sexual assault doesn’t mean rape. But there are a lot of complaints. A LOT. A summer of 2020 SI article has a lot of details and if you’re curious you should look it up. But it’s long and only covers cases within the Houston metro police district. There are likely other cases brewing outside that jurisdiction.
JonC is correct. It’s entirely possible Watson never sees a field again, although that would be on the more pessimistic range of outcomes.
A loser finds his way into 20+ sexual assault charges and civil suits. No way to spin it.
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about bringing in Mariota. Was that as a starter, a vier for the starting position or a back-up? He’s not been all that much after his first two years, iirc..
The talk about Mariota was largely as competition for DJ, but also with the thought that he would be a good backup.
As an aside, I am happy that you are back. You do not know me, but I have enjoyed most of your posts over the years, the whole being reasonable about things approach. You were smart to take a break as the negative nellies were crazily enjoying themselves.
Well if we need to classify folks with derogatory group names. I guess we can say the Negative Nellies were right about the situation and the Happy Sunshine Band was wrong (again).
You can be negative about what you think is happening and discuss it in a reasonable way like many on here do. It’s the people that take it to a hateful manner that I do not appreciate. But that is what social media has done.
There is no reason to take this risk when in 2023 there is a real shot for an up-and-coming QB.
In year 3 the Giants could be in the same place with Watson as they are now. SO then what can you look back on? You've lived off of backup QB's and that's your plan?
This going after Watson is like long-term investments you've made that have failed for the past 10 years and now you took most of your savings to the casino in hopes of winning it all back.