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NFT: The filler phrase “right there” still haunts me

mattlawson : 1/14/2022 11:58 am
Is anyone else bothered by this - it’s seemingly everywhere now. I hear it all over the place. I catch myself saying it. Judges only lasting legacy may very well be this meaningless bit of language.

Anyone else noticing it?
I haven't  
jnoble : 1/14/2022 12:13 pm : link
But "to your point..." has been annoying me lately

And people, especially media talking heads and politicians who start off anything with "So, ..."
I know what you are referring to  
jjgmrg901 : 1/14/2022 12:53 pm : link
I am so glad I am retired and not in today's business environs. Too much bs talk, sea change, ubiquitous, cheaper faster and better.
Watching Succession was so much fun. The writers really had fun with the current business speak. So often they say nothing but all agree,

I am so so happy to be retired.
I know what you are referring to  
jjgmrg901 : 1/14/2022 12:54 pm : link
I am so glad I am retired and not in today's business environs. Too much bs talk, sea change, ubiquitous, cheaper faster and better.
Watching Succession was so much fun. The writers really had fun with the current business speak. So often they say nothing but all agree,

I am so so happy to be retired.
You need to get  
jimmypage : 1/14/2022 12:55 pm : link
"Heavy handed" about what bothers you and "wantnot"
Using “right?” at the end of sentence irks me  
ThreePoints : 1/14/2022 1:25 pm : link
I heard a sales guy use it over and over again. It’s an easy way to make a point, have people think it’s true and then plow through your sales pitch without allowing anyone to refute your points.

“Every business needs a great trash can right? One that doesn’t stink right? No one likes to sit next to a smell trash can right? Well let me tell you about product.”

No, what businesses need are good sanitation and cleaning staff, not an overpriced trash can. But you wouldn’t let me speak!
Absolutely!  
NYRiese : 1/14/2022 1:29 pm : link
Exactly!
In a nutshell.
Circle back.

way too many to tabulate.
I was literally just going to say  
mfsd : 1/14/2022 1:41 pm : link
that saying you were literally going to do something is literally a really aggravating and unnecessary filler...
RE: I was literally just going to say  
ATL_Giants : 1/14/2022 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15553102 mfsd said:
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that saying you were literally going to do something is literally a really aggravating and unnecessary filler...
^That post right there officer.
RE: Using “right?” at the end of sentence irks me  
Matt M. : 1/14/2022 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15553070 ThreePoints said:
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I heard a sales guy use it over and over again. It’s an easy way to make a point, have people think it’s true and then plow through your sales pitch without allowing anyone to refute your points.

“Every business needs a great trash can right? One that doesn’t stink right? No one likes to sit next to a smell trash can right? Well let me tell you about product.”

No, what businesses need are good sanitation and cleaning staff, not an overpriced trash can. But you wouldn’t let me speak!
I was going to add this and OK? in terms of Judge. He used both a lot.
the "OK?"  
cjac : 1/14/2022 2:38 pm : link
after making his point used to bug me a lot. I really didnt like that
RE: I was literally just going to say  
Matt M. : 1/14/2022 2:39 pm : link
In comment 15553102 mfsd said:
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that saying you were literally going to do something is literally a really aggravating and unnecessary filler...
Plus, I find that most of the time people use literally, they are, in fact, not referencing a literal act.
_________  
I am Ninja : 1/14/2022 3:02 pm : link
"Look, (whatever)"

Judge loved that one.
I have a lot of friends in tech  
Mike from SI : 1/14/2022 3:08 pm : link
and their lingo drives me the most crazy. "How do we solve for that?" "Let's double click on that." My blood boils.
An annoying one to me used mainly in the business world  
eric2425ny : 1/14/2022 3:08 pm : link
lately is “unpack”.

Example: “That’s a complicated topic Jim. Let’s take some time to unpack that.”
RE: An annoying one to me used mainly in the business world  
Mike from SI : 1/14/2022 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15553245 eric2425ny said:
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lately is “unpack”.

Example: “That’s a complicated topic Jim. Let’s take some time to unpack that.”


That lovely tick started in academia, as did "problematize."
I would respond to this thread  
Regular Coffee : 1/14/2022 3:11 pm : link
but I'm "out of pocket"
I was literally going to post about literally but  
butler : 1/14/2022 3:16 pm : link
you literally beat me to it.

My wife and daughter drive me nuts with this and I used to push back on it occasionally but finally gave up.
RE: I was literally going to post about literally but  
Mike from SI : 1/14/2022 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15553251 butler said:
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you literally beat me to it.

My wife and daughter drive me nuts with this and I used to push back on it occasionally but finally gave up.


I can live with this when it's used correctly. But when people use it instead of "figuratively," I lose my shit. My mom said "I literally had a heart attack." Did you?! Did you go to the hospital?! (I need to calm down on this thread, I care too much about this shit lol.)
RE: I have a lot of friends in tech  
rebel yell : 1/14/2022 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15553244 Mike from SI said:
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and their lingo drives me the most crazy. "How do we solve for that?" "Let's double click on that." My blood boils.

I'n not a violent person, but I'd really want to punch someone in the face who says "let's double click on that."
I've noticed a lot of comments ending with a "no?" i.e. People who say let's double click on that are assholes, no?
RE: I haven't  
Gman11 : 1/14/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15552908 jnoble said:
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But "to your point..." has been annoying me lately

And people, especially media talking heads and politicians who start off anything with "So, ..."


You know what's worse than starting a sentence with so? Starting a sentence with "I mean, "
So......I stop listening immediately after "so....."  
cpgiants : 1/14/2022 4:47 pm : link
Other terms I hate:

Drill down
Unpack
Deep dive
Loop in

RE: Using “right?” at the end of sentence irks me  
D-Rod : 1/14/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15553070 ThreePoints said:
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I heard a sales guy use it over and over again. It’s an easy way to make a point, have people think it’s true and then plow through your sales pitch without allowing anyone to refute your points.

“Every business needs a great trash can right? One that doesn’t stink right? No one likes to sit next to a smell trash can right? Well let me tell you about product.”

No, what businesses need are good sanitation and cleaning staff, not an overpriced trash can. But you wouldn’t let me speak!


Ugh, I'm in technical pre-sales and unconsciously do this. Hard habit to break but I'm trying.
RE: So......I stop listening immediately after  
mfsd : 1/14/2022 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15553368 cpgiants said:
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Other terms I hate:

Drill down
Unpack
Deep dive
Loop in


Let’s bubble this around then circle back to do a deep dive and get granular…
RE: RE: Using “right?” at the end of sentence irks me  
Mike from SI : 1/14/2022 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15553378 D-Rod said:
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In comment 15553070 ThreePoints said:


Quote:


I heard a sales guy use it over and over again. It’s an easy way to make a point, have people think it’s true and then plow through your sales pitch without allowing anyone to refute your points.

“Every business needs a great trash can right? One that doesn’t stink right? No one likes to sit next to a smell trash can right? Well let me tell you about product.”

No, what businesses need are good sanitation and cleaning staff, not an overpriced trash can. But you wouldn’t let me speak!



Ugh, I'm in technical pre-sales and unconsciously do this. Hard habit to break but I'm trying.


Everyone (myself included) has verbal crutches. The first step to fixing them is acknowledging it. Just the fact that you're aware of it means you'll probably cut down on it.

For me, it's especially hard when I have to speak many sentences in a row without feedback. I often (too much) end on questions like "does that make sense?" It's just awkward speaking a lot without feedback (for me). An old business partner would always throw in "ok" after every few sentences; a lot of people do that. We can't all be masters of elocution like Jay Gatsby.
Airight  
Ike#88 : 1/14/2022 7:37 pm : link
It is the cost of doing business and I am not having it.
Should have started  
Ike#88 : 1/14/2022 7:40 pm : link
Amiright hey it is Friday night!
"certainly, obviously, frankly, you'll remember that, ..."  
markky : 1/14/2022 7:40 pm : link
All of our public speakers (politicians, their pr people, public health officials, even some newscasters) seems to have forgotten how to speak in grammatically correct sentences. If you read the transcripts it's really quite bizarre.

A few decades ago i read a good interview of John Lennon where he railed against "filler" words. He was talking about song lyrics, but it applies equally to common language.

I always assume that if a public figure starts a sentence with a filler word or phrase they're about the either massage the truth or lie outright.
RE:  
shyster : 1/14/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15553496 markky said:
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I always assume that if a public figure starts a sentence with a filler word or phrase they're about the either massage the truth or lie outright.


John Mara used "obviously" in five of his first eight answers at his PC.

Three times it was the first word. Another answer it was within the first four words.

It's a way of conveying the message: "I already know it all. Nobody has anything to tell me."
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