I did not say we'd go 3-0 with Fromm. Never even implied it. Made up.
Alright, we’ll now you’re just lying. But sure, fine.
As for Thomas, it’s time to just accept the fact that he’s our left tackle and he’s an ascending talent, one of the better young left tackles in football. Is he great? No, not yet. Nobody’s putting him in the hall of fame dude. You just can’t handle any discussion with someone being possibly really good on the Giants right now.
You probably thought McKinney sucked or was a bust after 1 season too. You probably thought Julian Love didn’t belong on a football field after 1 season.
You want to build through the draft and then can’t help yourself from making a comment about a player before their career even starts. Just give it a rest man. Thomas is not going to be traded, as much as you’d hope for that to happen.
and Justin Simmons. All players the Giants could have had recently, or were talked about as potential draft picks back when they were drafted.
You mean Jeffrey Simmons? We could have had him instead of Lawrence in 2019.
Now, Simmons has popped into an All-Pro and Lawrence is trending to be a JAG+.
I wasn't really thinking about Jefrrey Simmons, but Justin Simmons, the S, who was on the board when we took Darian Thompson. I believe Sy in his "what I'd have done" article said he'd have drafted Simmons.
I did not say we'd go 3-0 with Fromm. Never even implied it. Made up.
Alright, we’ll now you’re just lying. But sure, fine.
As for Thomas, it’s time to just accept the fact that he’s our left tackle and he’s an ascending talent, one of the better young left tackles in football. Is he great? No, not yet. Nobody’s putting him in the hall of fame dude. You just can’t handle any discussion with someone being possibly really good on the Giants right now.
Never said it. Made up. Like your idiotic arguments for Jones all season.
but also because he is one of the few good players this moron GM has put on the roster.
But with that said, Gettleman's questionable decisions aren't just players that bust or underperform causing the Giants to be a bottom-feeding team. Sometimes they are decent or good decisions but there are still yet better ones on the table to consider.
Thomas looks like a good decision...but tough to say he was the best OT to select that day based on how Wirfs has performed.
When you are picking at the top of the draft every year like Gettleman has been, he has to be flat out nailing these picks. But he hasn't, at all...
well I’m not gonna go back and look for your comment amongst the rubble, but you did. Not sure why you keep defending it.
Because I don't appreciate being misquoted by mouth breathers. If I'd said that, I'd own up to it. I've had no issues pointing out when over been wrong in the past.
in the context of All-Pro voting. They play different positions, ffs. If you're talking strictly about votes, you should be comparing him to Trent Williams who, at this point in both of their careers, is clearly the superior player. Saying "he got no votes" compared to Williams (rather than Wirfs) is the correct interpretation. How many votes Wirfs got at RT is completely irrelevant to voting for LT. Not a difficult concept to grasp.
You mean Jeffrey Simmons? We could have had him instead of Lawrence in 2019.
Now, Simmons has popped into an All-Pro and Lawrence is trending to be a JAG+.
I wasn't really thinking about Jefrrey Simmons, but Justin Simmons, the S, who was on the board when we took Darian Thompson. I believe Sy in his "what I'd have done" article said he'd have drafted Simmons.
Got it. That was back in 2016 with Simmons.
I'm just focusing on all of Gettleman's misses. ;)
From what I remember, you wanted the Giants to take Wirfs since he was your #1 rated tackle, but (rightly) predicted they'd take Thomas because it was such a Gettlemany pick.
I like Thomas though. Sure, they could have done better. But good God they could have done a lot worse.
you use the same arguments all the time - but you never seem to say that when you’re wrong. Like saying “the offense probably won’t change with Glennon” or “we will probably go 3-0 with Fromm.”
That doesn't sound like something Terps would say and I never saw him say it, but even if he did, that's not as silly as you insisting we were going to go 17-0 with Daniel Jones.
(see what I did there? Anyone can make up something someone else never said)
you use the same arguments all the time - but you never seem to say that when you’re wrong. Like saying “the offense probably won’t change with Glennon” or “we will probably go 3-0 with Fromm.”
That doesn't sound like something Terps would say and I never saw him say it, but even if he did, that's not as silly as you insisting we were going to go 17-0 with Daniel Jones.
(see what I did there? Anyone can make up something someone else never said)
What's annoying is that like the inane "If Herbert were on the Giants he'd be as awful as Jones" or "if Thomas were on the Bucs he'd be as good as Wirfs" arguments, when someone attributes a made up quote to you it's impossible to disprove.
Terps, you’re lying. It’s not a “made up quote” - and you know that - which is the reason you keep bringing it up.
It’s alright. You thought Glennon was just as good as Jones. You thought Fromm would magically be kinda good and win games for us. And it’s because you hate Jones so much that it actually clouds your thinking.
player. Its like everyone has to suck. It is possible to have some good players on the team. Thomas is very good. Last season was hard because of injuries, coaching, and his ramp up. I think if he was better last year he would have made it this year. These perceptions usually take a year or so. If he plays the same he will be All Pro next year.
because they fired everyone and you feel vindicated - and you won’t just admit what you said because how dare you be wrong about something?
You can’t have a legit conversation with anyone on this board because you’re so far beyond being a fan of the team.
You ought to be able to find the quote if you're so certain it happened.
I read BBI a lot, and I read Jones and Terps threads a lot, and I never saw him say that. But I have seen you misinterpret other posts so I'm just gonna insist that's what's happening here. Why not? I have as much proof of that as you've offered.
I'm fine being called an asshole, because that's probably often true. But I can't stand people putting words in my mouth. I've taken enough abuse for saying unpopular shit here that I shouldn't have to deal with that.
By the power vested in me by the great skill of Google queries, I’ve found the offending post.
And no surprise who got it wrong. Link - ( New Window )
I'm sure there is a plausible answer.
Perhaps ryan received an email from a former poster from Charlotte with quotes by Terps that were cut and pasted from a BBI thread. And so he assumed they were accurate. ;)
By the power vested in me by the great skill of Google queries, I’ve found the offending post.
And no surprise who got it wrong. Link - ( New Window )
I'm sure there is a plausible answer.
Perhaps ryan received an email from a former poster from Charlotte with quotes by Terps that were cut and pasted from a BBI thread. And so he assumed they were accurate. ;)
I must say, he lives rent free in your mind. Not sure anyone brings up a former or even active poster more than you do.
Most roundly demanded that fans be less negative are found to have misrepresented comments or in another case literally modified posts to have an argument.
you use the same arguments all the time - but you never seem to say that when you’re wrong. Like saying “the offense probably won’t change with Glennon” or “we will probably go 3-0 with Fromm.”
That doesn't sound like something Terps would say and I never saw him say it, but even if he did, that's not as silly as you insisting we were going to go 17-0 with Daniel Jones.
(see what I did there? Anyone can make up something someone else never said)
What's annoying is that like the inane "If Herbert were on the Giants he'd be as awful as Jones" or "if Thomas were on the Bucs he'd be as good as Wirfs" arguments, when someone attributes a made up quote to you it's impossible to disprove.
Most roundly demanded that fans be less negative are found to have misrepresented comments or in another case literally modified posts to have an argument.
You thought Glennon or Fromm would be no worse than Jones. Actually you thought Fromm would be flat out better than Jones. Turns out they both can’t throw the football more than 5 yards. So yeah - I think we will all take a pass on your QB analysis.
Perhaps ryan received an email from a former poster from Charlotte with quotes by Terps that were cut and pasted from a BBI thread. And so he assumed they were accurate. ;)
I must say, he lives rent free in your mind. Not sure anyone brings up a former or even active poster more than you do.
At any rate - you spent a full week touting Fromm. He’s fucking terrible.
I made comments about being pleased Fromm was being put into games too...so what? Go Dawgs!
The Giants were going to lose these games whether they had Jones, Glennon or Fromm in them, but maybe Fromm would show decently nevertheless and they could bring him into camp next season to maybe find a job on the QB depth chart.
Or because these games and the season didn't matter any more whatsoever, and it was simply annoying watching Glennon play so ANYTHING different was a little interesting to see how turns out.
Perhaps ryan received an email from a former poster from Charlotte with quotes by Terps that were cut and pasted from a BBI thread. And so he assumed they were accurate. ;)
I must say, he lives rent free in your mind. Not sure anyone brings up a former or even active poster more than you do.
Can you possibly be anymore humorless?
I don’t know, it can always get worse, right? But I’ll take this as confirmation of my take on things.
Well - actually none. As I said - I actually don’t care. At all. It’s just extremely funny to me when stuff like this happens. Because my point was that posters who have been proven right about Gettleman think that everything they say is going to end up being correct.
We had folks here for 1-2 weeks basically going back into the Fromm highlights and saying wow this guy could be better than Jones. Look at his quick release! Wow! Look how he played on that one drive! Let’s see for next year!
And then - as it turned out - he’s probably one of the single worst quarterbacks that are employed in the national football league.
We had posters here, like Terps, who thought Thomas sucked and was a bust. Who thought McKinney was likely a bust. Who thought Love couldn’t play. Who thought Gates (pre injury) was a laughingstock. Who thought Leonard Williams was a terrible football player.
Again - predictions are fucking pointless. We’ve all got them. For instance - I still think Daniel Jones can be good. Do I give a shit what anyone else thinks about that? No.
The difference is - i actually don’t think im a scout or have more knowledge about football than any of you guys. But someone like Terps - he actually does think that. And that’s sad.
imagine that
thanks for the exhaustive research christian
This. Terps merely agreed with someone and HOPED the Giants would go 3-0 with Fromm. He didn't say he thought they would. Assuming that's the only quote in question, lol.
A lot of sweat and typing would be saved if people were more comfortable with just taking the mea culpa on what they thought at the time but were proven wrong and moving on to a different topic.
And I've never known him not to own anything that he's written. Had he taken the position ryan says, I'm confident GT would acknowledge it and move on.
For example, Terps was actually on board with the DG hire. But his opinion evolved and in less than a year realized DG was the wrong man for the job.
But he's a dick who's been right way more often than he's been wrong.
I'm reminded of composer Giacomo Puccini's opinion of conductor Arturo Toscanini: "The man is a pig," said Puccini. "When I think of how he conducts my operas I forgive him all his sins. But he's a pig nonetheless."
That Fromm WAS better than Jones. But people found the possibility that Fromm could show something to be exciting, which ain't nothing in the midst of an otherwise intolerable season.
However, Fromm might actually be better than Jones. It's too early to say! Let it all play out man!
Alright, we’ll now you’re just lying. But sure, fine.
As for Thomas, it’s time to just accept the fact that he’s our left tackle and he’s an ascending talent, one of the better young left tackles in football. Is he great? No, not yet. Nobody’s putting him in the hall of fame dude. You just can’t handle any discussion with someone being possibly really good on the Giants right now.
You want to build through the draft and then can’t help yourself from making a comment about a player before their career even starts. Just give it a rest man. Thomas is not going to be traded, as much as you’d hope for that to happen.
You mean Jeffrey Simmons? We could have had him instead of Lawrence in 2019.
Now, Simmons has popped into an All-Pro and Lawrence is trending to be a JAG+.
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and Justin Simmons. All players the Giants could have had recently, or were talked about as potential draft picks back when they were drafted.
You mean Jeffrey Simmons? We could have had him instead of Lawrence in 2019.
Now, Simmons has popped into an All-Pro and Lawrence is trending to be a JAG+.
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I did not say we'd go 3-0 with Fromm. Never even implied it. Made up.
Alright, we’ll now you’re just lying. But sure, fine.
As for Thomas, it’s time to just accept the fact that he’s our left tackle and he’s an ascending talent, one of the better young left tackles in football. Is he great? No, not yet. Nobody’s putting him in the hall of fame dude. You just can’t handle any discussion with someone being possibly really good on the Giants right now.
Never said it. Made up. Like your idiotic arguments for Jones all season.
But with that said, Gettleman's questionable decisions aren't just players that bust or underperform causing the Giants to be a bottom-feeding team. Sometimes they are decent or good decisions but there are still yet better ones on the table to consider.
Thomas looks like a good decision...but tough to say he was the best OT to select that day based on how Wirfs has performed.
When you are picking at the top of the draft every year like Gettleman has been, he has to be flat out nailing these picks. But he hasn't, at all...
Because I don't appreciate being misquoted by mouth breathers. If I'd said that, I'd own up to it. I've had no issues pointing out when over been wrong in the past.
I didn't say that. You made it up. Fuck off.
You mean Jeffrey Simmons? We could have had him instead of Lawrence in 2019.
Now, Simmons has popped into an All-Pro and Lawrence is trending to be a JAG+.
I wasn't really thinking about Jefrrey Simmons, but Justin Simmons, the S, who was on the board when we took Darian Thompson. I believe Sy in his "what I'd have done" article said he'd have drafted Simmons.
Got it. That was back in 2016 with Simmons.
I'm just focusing on all of Gettleman's misses. ;)
From what I remember, you wanted the Giants to take Wirfs since he was your #1 rated tackle, but (rightly) predicted they'd take Thomas because it was such a Gettlemany pick.
I like Thomas though. Sure, they could have done better. But good God they could have done a lot worse.
That doesn't sound like something Terps would say and I never saw him say it, but even if he did, that's not as silly as you insisting we were going to go 17-0 with Daniel Jones.
(see what I did there? Anyone can make up something someone else never said)
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you use the same arguments all the time - but you never seem to say that when you’re wrong. Like saying “the offense probably won’t change with Glennon” or “we will probably go 3-0 with Fromm.”
That doesn't sound like something Terps would say and I never saw him say it, but even if he did, that's not as silly as you insisting we were going to go 17-0 with Daniel Jones.
(see what I did there? Anyone can make up something someone else never said)
What's annoying is that like the inane "If Herbert were on the Giants he'd be as awful as Jones" or "if Thomas were on the Bucs he'd be as good as Wirfs" arguments, when someone attributes a made up quote to you it's impossible to disprove.
It’s alright. You thought Glennon was just as good as Jones. You thought Fromm would magically be kinda good and win games for us. And it’s because you hate Jones so much that it actually clouds your thinking.
We all get it. It’s not a big deal man
You can’t have a legit conversation with anyone on this board because you’re so far beyond being a fan of the team.
You can’t have a legit conversation with anyone on this board because you’re so far beyond being a fan of the team.
You ought to be able to find the quote if you're so certain it happened.
I read BBI a lot, and I read Jones and Terps threads a lot, and I never saw him say that. But I have seen you misinterpret other posts so I'm just gonna insist that's what's happening here. Why not? I have as much proof of that as you've offered.
And no surprise who got it wrong.
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And no surprise who got it wrong. Link - ( New Window )
Ryan making stuff up again? What a shock
Calling someone a liar should at least be backed up.
And no surprise who got it wrong. Link - ( New Window )
I'm sure there is a plausible answer.
Perhaps ryan received an email from a former poster from Charlotte with quotes by Terps that were cut and pasted from a BBI thread. And so he assumed they were accurate. ;)
thanks for the exhaustive research christian
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By the power vested in me by the great skill of Google queries, I’ve found the offending post.
And no surprise who got it wrong. Link - ( New Window )
I'm sure there is a plausible answer.
Perhaps ryan received an email from a former poster from Charlotte with quotes by Terps that were cut and pasted from a BBI thread. And so he assumed they were accurate. ;)
I must say, he lives rent free in your mind. Not sure anyone brings up a former or even active poster more than you do.
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you use the same arguments all the time - but you never seem to say that when you’re wrong. Like saying “the offense probably won’t change with Glennon” or “we will probably go 3-0 with Fromm.”
That doesn't sound like something Terps would say and I never saw him say it, but even if he did, that's not as silly as you insisting we were going to go 17-0 with Daniel Jones.
(see what I did there? Anyone can make up something someone else never said)
What's annoying is that like the inane "If Herbert were on the Giants he'd be as awful as Jones" or "if Thomas were on the Bucs he'd be as good as Wirfs" arguments, when someone attributes a made up quote to you it's impossible to disprove.
It's possible sometimes...
Who’s the other?
I'm sure there is a plausible answer.
Perhaps ryan received an email from a former poster from Charlotte with quotes by Terps that were cut and pasted from a BBI thread. And so he assumed they were accurate. ;)
I must say, he lives rent free in your mind. Not sure anyone brings up a former or even active poster more than you do.
Can you possibly be anymore humorless?
I made comments about being pleased Fromm was being put into games too...so what? Go Dawgs!
The Giants were going to lose these games whether they had Jones, Glennon or Fromm in them, but maybe Fromm would show decently nevertheless and they could bring him into camp next season to maybe find a job on the QB depth chart.
Or because these games and the season didn't matter any more whatsoever, and it was simply annoying watching Glennon play so ANYTHING different was a little interesting to see how turns out.
What the hell difference does this make Ryan?
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I'm sure there is a plausible answer.
Perhaps ryan received an email from a former poster from Charlotte with quotes by Terps that were cut and pasted from a BBI thread. And so he assumed they were accurate. ;)
I must say, he lives rent free in your mind. Not sure anyone brings up a former or even active poster more than you do.
Can you possibly be anymore humorless?
I don’t know, it can always get worse, right? But I’ll take this as confirmation of my take on things.
Jones is definitely better than those 2 but nowhere near good enough.
Well - actually none. As I said - I actually don’t care. At all. It’s just extremely funny to me when stuff like this happens. Because my point was that posters who have been proven right about Gettleman think that everything they say is going to end up being correct.
We had folks here for 1-2 weeks basically going back into the Fromm highlights and saying wow this guy could be better than Jones. Look at his quick release! Wow! Look how he played on that one drive! Let’s see for next year!
And then - as it turned out - he’s probably one of the single worst quarterbacks that are employed in the national football league.
We had posters here, like Terps, who thought Thomas sucked and was a bust. Who thought McKinney was likely a bust. Who thought Love couldn’t play. Who thought Gates (pre injury) was a laughingstock. Who thought Leonard Williams was a terrible football player.
Again - predictions are fucking pointless. We’ve all got them. For instance - I still think Daniel Jones can be good. Do I give a shit what anyone else thinks about that? No.
The difference is - i actually don’t think im a scout or have more knowledge about football than any of you guys. But someone like Terps - he actually does think that. And that’s sad.
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Right, and that’s the correct take.
Learn to tell the difference.
Learn to tell the difference.
And this is exactly what happens every single time.
Which is why actual conversation with you and Terps is fucking impossible - because you don’t want to actually engage in serious convo.
You then post another brick of paragraphs of boogie men arguments unnamed people made.
You’re the last person on this site who should be ridiculing others about being serious.
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by posters. You're are doing in your post above as well and now going off the deep end for really no reason.
Learn to tell the difference.
And this is exactly what happens every single time.
Which is why actual conversation with you and Terps is fucking impossible - because you don’t want to actually engage in serious convo.
Come...again? I write a ton of posts that engage on numerous football topics, some serious and some not so much.
Don't mistake my trying to bring a little levity to threads here as anything other than offsetting the nonsense and temper tantrums of others...
thanks for the exhaustive research christian
This. Terps merely agreed with someone and HOPED the Giants would go 3-0 with Fromm. He didn't say he thought they would. Assuming that's the only quote in question, lol.
And I've never known him not to own anything that he's written. Had he taken the position ryan says, I'm confident GT would acknowledge it and move on.
For example, Terps was actually on board with the DG hire. But his opinion evolved and in less than a year realized DG was the wrong man for the job.
I'm reminded of composer Giacomo Puccini's opinion of conductor Arturo Toscanini: "The man is a pig," said Puccini. "When I think of how he conducts my operas I forgive him all his sins. But he's a pig nonetheless."
However, Fromm might actually be better than Jones. It's too early to say! Let it all play out man!