players at defense that the Giants could of drafted?! It’s sickening.. This is the reason the Giants needed to be blown up and start over. DG was beyond putrid!! He clearly was the worst GM in the league. And you can’t even put all the blame on him, it’s really the owners who are to blame for for him in that position and letting all this happen. This Organization has fell to an all time low. It’s embarrassing..
Yeah those were my preferred draft picks the last 2 years. Bookend all pro OT's...man DG knew nothing about OL.
Thomas played as well as Wirfs, at a tougher position. The complain on him makes no sense. He's playing with much better talent around him and Tom Brady who is basically the best ever at getting rid of the ball.
Yeah those were my preferred draft picks the last 2 years. Bookend all pro OT's...man DG knew nothing about OL.
Thomas played as well as Wirfs, at a tougher position. The complain on him makes no sense. He's playing with much better talent around him and Tom Brady who is basically the best ever at getting rid of the ball.
DG didn't miss on Thomas.
You're right on Thomas, i think we hit on that pick and will be very happy with his career. Just burns to see several recognized as the best in football at their position
Thomas is good but I think he needs to make a few Pro Bowls to justify his position. Good starting left tackle isn't a great ROI. Wirfs and Slater are better, IMO.
as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.
as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.
as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.
The excuses and rationalizations continue...
Nice, if all else fails play that card and skip over any discussion.
as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.
Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.
Well the league doesn't agree with you. A premium is still placed on LT by a pretty big margin. The highest paid LT is 34 and makes $23m per year, and a brand new top RT deal is at $19m per year mark.
It's just been years of whining about how good our players would be if they would just have good players around them.
They aren't good. They've never been good. They wouldn't be good elsewhere. They're losing players on a losing team assembled by one of the worst GMs this league has ever seen. The proof is overwhelming, and the only argument to the contrary is the same BS excuses you and others have been spouting.
The team is bad because the players are bad. Thomas is one of the best of a terrible lot. Great. That doesn't make him good.
as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.
The excuses and rationalizations continue...
LOL! Them playing two different positions is not an "excuse", it's a REALITY.
But we know you don't like it when facts get in the way of your narratives...
It's pretty clear the league values LT's more than RT's.
It's just been years of whining about how good our players would be if they would just have good players around them.
They aren't good. They've never been good. They wouldn't be good elsewhere. They're losing players on a losing team assembled by one of the worst GMs this league has ever seen. The proof is overwhelming, and the only argument to the contrary is the same BS excuses you and others have been spouting.
The team is bad because the players are bad. Thomas is one of the best of a terrible lot. Great. That doesn't make him good.
Well, if you insist he isn't good, that MUST be the case then!
why people are fighting over who’s better with Thomas and Wirfs.
Both are good players but ended up in complete different situation.
Thomas was drafted poorly managed and less talented Giants with questionable quarterback playing and Wirfs was drafted to Bucs who has solid oline already with GOAT Brady playing as quarterback.
So far Wirfs is having a great career with Bucs but I doubt he plays the same if he was drafted to Giants. Sometimes where you drafted makes huge difference in NFL. Same for quarterback,and other positions, too.
Just appreciate both are good players and move on.
that when I say the Giants should have taken Wirfs over Thomas, people on this board say I'm wrong. The homerism is so strong here. (See Jones, Daniel.)
as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.
Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.
Well the league doesn't agree with you. A premium is still placed on LT by a pretty big margin. The highest paid LT is 34 and makes $23m per year, and a brand new top RT deal is at $19m per year mark.
I get it. Not a huge delta though. With such a scarcity of quality of OLs at all spots, my view is you grab one regardless of the spot - T,G or C.
In this case, I can't believe you would rather have the all pro RT or a good/solid LT.
votes akin to Gold Gloves in baseball? These are voted on by journalists, not scouts/coaches who are crushing tape. These votes can be driven by past reputation, overall team success, or even PFF grades.
How many votes for Leonard Williams?
Slater second team
I was a fan of the trade down but Giants better get a damn good player at 7, and Toney better turn into something
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How many votes for Leonard Williams?
None.
Slater second team
I was a fan of the trade down but Giants better get a damn good player at 7, and Toney better turn into something
Or what? We already fired the guys that made the pick! Lol
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How many votes for Leonard Williams?
None.
Those salary comps really worked out well in putting together his deal...
Landon Collins and Snacks in 2016. Odell was 2nd team that year.
Parsons, Slater, Wirfs, Quenton Nelson, Trevon Diggs, Justin Simmons, etc etc
Both made 2nd team All Pro.
So glad our coaches and front office were "much happier" than us about our OL.
Thomas played as well as Wirfs, at a tougher position. The complain on him makes no sense. He's playing with much better talent around him and Tom Brady who is basically the best ever at getting rid of the ball.
DG didn't miss on Thomas.
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Yeah those were my preferred draft picks the last 2 years. Bookend all pro OT's...man DG knew nothing about OL.
Thomas played as well as Wirfs, at a tougher position. The complain on him makes no sense. He's playing with much better talent around him and Tom Brady who is basically the best ever at getting rid of the ball.
DG didn't miss on Thomas.
You're right on Thomas, i think we hit on that pick and will be very happy with his career. Just burns to see several recognized as the best in football at their position
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.
They weren't hog mollie-enough.
Tired of the position argument
Yeah you all thought that Slater was a guard no he is a all pro LT
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.
The excuses and rationalizations continue...
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.
Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.
The excuses and rationalizations continue...
Nice, if all else fails play that card and skip over any discussion.
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.
Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.
Well the league doesn't agree with you. A premium is still placed on LT by a pretty big margin. The highest paid LT is 34 and makes $23m per year, and a brand new top RT deal is at $19m per year mark.
I'll take Thomas. He's an ascending, legitimate left tackle.
Becton looked great his rookie season and awful this year and is constantly hurt. We made the right call passing.
They aren't good. They've never been good. They wouldn't be good elsewhere. They're losing players on a losing team assembled by one of the worst GMs this league has ever seen. The proof is overwhelming, and the only argument to the contrary is the same BS excuses you and others have been spouting.
The team is bad because the players are bad. Thomas is one of the best of a terrible lot. Great. That doesn't make him good.
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.
The excuses and rationalizations continue...
LOL! Them playing two different positions is not an "excuse", it's a REALITY.
But we know you don't like it when facts get in the way of your narratives...
It's pretty clear the league values LT's more than RT's.
They aren't good. They've never been good. They wouldn't be good elsewhere. They're losing players on a losing team assembled by one of the worst GMs this league has ever seen. The proof is overwhelming, and the only argument to the contrary is the same BS excuses you and others have been spouting.
The team is bad because the players are bad. Thomas is one of the best of a terrible lot. Great. That doesn't make him good.
Well, if you insist he isn't good, that MUST be the case then!
LOL....
A bad start for a high-drafted rookie can take years to rebuild reputation. Ronnie Stanley didn't make All Pro until year 3 or 4.
He's ok. Like I said, he's not a bum. But in Wirfs's class? Nope.
Left Tackle
Trent Williams, San Francisco, 46;
Rashawn Slater, Los Angeles Chargers, 2;
Orlando Brown Jr., Kansas City, 1;
Tyron Smith, Dallas, 1.
I think he'll be on the ballot eventually.
Both are good players but ended up in complete different situation.
Thomas was drafted poorly managed and less talented Giants with questionable quarterback playing and Wirfs was drafted to Bucs who has solid oline already with GOAT Brady playing as quarterback.
So far Wirfs is having a great career with Bucs but I doubt he plays the same if he was drafted to Giants. Sometimes where you drafted makes huge difference in NFL. Same for quarterback,and other positions, too.
Just appreciate both are good players and move on.
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.
Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.
Well the league doesn't agree with you. A premium is still placed on LT by a pretty big margin. The highest paid LT is 34 and makes $23m per year, and a brand new top RT deal is at $19m per year mark.
I get it. Not a huge delta though. With such a scarcity of quality of OLs at all spots, my view is you grab one regardless of the spot - T,G or C.
In this case, I can't believe you would rather have the all pro RT or a good/solid LT.
Seems silly to get too worked up over them.