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Voting Breakdown  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/14/2022 12:49 pm : link
https://apnews.com/article/nfl-sports-minnesota-indiana-tom-brady-1b8bec302e5d134566def739a78106f2
RE: Voting Breakdown  
Jimmy Googs : 1/14/2022 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15552990 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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https://apnews.com/article/nfl-sports-minnesota-indiana-tom-brady-1b8bec302e5d134566def739a78106f2


How many votes for Leonard Williams?
Ouch  
armstead98 : 1/14/2022 12:52 pm : link
Parsons first team
Slater second team

I was a fan of the trade down but Giants better get a damn good player at 7, and Toney better turn into something
RE: RE: Voting Breakdown  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/14/2022 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15552993 Jimmy Googs said:
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https://apnews.com/article/nfl-sports-minnesota-indiana-tom-brady-1b8bec302e5d134566def739a78106f2



How many votes for Leonard Williams?


None.
RE: Ouch  
Boatie Warrant : 1/14/2022 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15552999 armstead98 said:
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Parsons first team
Slater second team

I was a fan of the trade down but Giants better get a damn good player at 7, and Toney better turn into something


Or what? We already fired the guys that made the pick! Lol
RE: RE: Voting Breakdown  
Mad Mike : 1/14/2022 12:55 pm : link
No NYG votes at all. Not surprising, but still, woof.
RE: RE: RE: Voting Breakdown  
Jimmy Googs : 1/14/2022 12:57 pm : link
In comment 15553005 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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https://apnews.com/article/nfl-sports-minnesota-indiana-tom-brady-1b8bec302e5d134566def739a78106f2



How many votes for Leonard Williams?



None.


Those salary comps really worked out well in putting together his deal...
Jason Kelce and Trent Williams  
JB_in_DC : 1/14/2022 12:57 pm : link
making 1st team all pro in their mid thirties is pretty remarkable.
This should be called the Dave Gettleman Memorial All-Pro Team  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/14/2022 1:06 pm : link
All that money spent... not one single vote.
Parsons  
Rjanyg : 1/14/2022 1:13 pm : link
still pissed they didn't take him. You know this was all Mara taking him off the board, probably because of the Baker fiasco.
Who was the last Giants 1st team All Pro?  
MattyKid : 1/14/2022 1:19 pm : link
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I figured Jamar Chase had OROY in the bag  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2022 1:22 pm : link
this probably get him close to 100% voting I would imagine.
RE: Who was the last Giants 1st team All Pro?  
JB_in_DC : 1/14/2022 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15553061 MattyKid said:
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Landon Collins and Snacks in 2016. Odell was 2nd team that year.
Wirfs first team and Slater second team  
Rick in Dallas : 1/14/2022 1:24 pm : link
Yeah those were my preferred draft picks the last 2 years. Bookend all pro OT's...man DG knew nothing about OL.
No love for Nate Ebner as a special teams ace? Robbed!  
mfsd : 1/14/2022 1:25 pm : link
Reviewing that list is depressing, lot of guys who were available right around where Giants drafted in recent years and many here wanted us to get

Parsons, Slater, Wirfs, Quenton Nelson, Trevon Diggs, Justin Simmons, etc etc
Snacks Harrison and Landon Collins were both 1st team  
arniefez : 1/14/2022 1:26 pm : link
in 2016.

This offseason I said  
bw in dc : 1/14/2022 1:29 pm : link
to fix the OL we should have signed Corey Linsley to play C and draft RSlater.

Both made 2nd team All Pro.

So glad our coaches and front office were "much happier" than us about our OL.
The worst part is seeing Dallas with 2 studs  
prdave73 : 1/14/2022 1:29 pm : link
players at defense that the Giants could of drafted?! It’s sickening.. This is the reason the Giants needed to be blown up and start over. DG was beyond putrid!! He clearly was the worst GM in the league. And you can’t even put all the blame on him, it’s really the owners who are to blame for for him in that position and letting all this happen. This Organization has fell to an all time low. It’s embarrassing..
Just more depressed  
Giant John : 1/14/2022 1:30 pm : link
Waste of time.
RE: Wirfs first team and Slater second team  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15553069 Rick in Dallas said:
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Yeah those were my preferred draft picks the last 2 years. Bookend all pro OT's...man DG knew nothing about OL.


Thomas played as well as Wirfs, at a tougher position. The complain on him makes no sense. He's playing with much better talent around him and Tom Brady who is basically the best ever at getting rid of the ball.

DG didn't miss on Thomas.
RE: RE: Wirfs first team and Slater second team  
mfsd : 1/14/2022 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15553087 UConn4523 said:
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Yeah those were my preferred draft picks the last 2 years. Bookend all pro OT's...man DG knew nothing about OL.



Thomas played as well as Wirfs, at a tougher position. The complain on him makes no sense. He's playing with much better talent around him and Tom Brady who is basically the best ever at getting rid of the ball.

DG didn't miss on Thomas.


You're right on Thomas, i think we hit on that pick and will be very happy with his career. Just burns to see several recognized as the best in football at their position
Thomas isn't in Wirfs's class,  
Go Terps : 1/14/2022 1:38 pm : link
as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.

Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Becton is the clear loser of that group  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2022 1:41 pm : link
The other 3 are all fairly close. I think Thomas has been better than Wills at LT despite him also playing on a top tier line.
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BrettNYG10 : 1/14/2022 1:43 pm : link
Thomas is good but I think he needs to make a few Pro Bowls to justify his position. Good starting left tackle isn't a great ROI. Wirfs and Slater are better, IMO.
RE: Thomas isn't in Wirfs's class,  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2022 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15553095 Go Terps said:
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.

Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.


Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.
RE: Wirfs first team and Slater second team  
TroyArchersGhost : 1/14/2022 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15553069 Rick in Dallas said:
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Yeah those were my preferred draft picks the last 2 years. Bookend all pro OT's...man DG knew nothing about OL.

They weren't hog mollie-enough.
Stop with the LT vs RT bull shit  
Rick in Dallas : 1/14/2022 1:44 pm : link
Wirfs is an all pro RT and better than Thomas IMHO
Tired of the position argument
Yeah you all thought that Slater was a guard no he is a all pro LT
RE: RE: Thomas isn't in Wirfs's class,  
Go Terps : 1/14/2022 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15553107 UConn4523 said:
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.

Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.



Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.


The excuses and rationalizations continue...
RE: Thomas isn't in Wirfs's class,  
bw in dc : 1/14/2022 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15553095 Go Terps said:
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.

Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.


Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.

Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.
RE: RE: RE: Thomas isn't in Wirfs's class,  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2022 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15553111 Go Terps said:
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.

Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.



Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.



The excuses and rationalizations continue...


Nice, if all else fails play that card and skip over any discussion.
RE: RE: Thomas isn't in Wirfs's class,  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15553112 bw in dc said:
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.

Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.



Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.

Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.


Well the league doesn't agree with you. A premium is still placed on LT by a pretty big margin. The highest paid LT is 34 and makes $23m per year, and a brand new top RT deal is at $19m per year mark.
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ryanmkeane : 1/14/2022 1:58 pm : link
Brady throws the ball about 1 second after he gets it on every snap.

I'll take Thomas. He's an ascending, legitimate left tackle.
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ryanmkeane : 1/14/2022 1:59 pm : link
Wirfs is a great player. However, I'll take the chance at a great left tackle that needs a bit more time, rather than a great right tackle.
RE: Becton is the clear loser of that group  
BrettNYG10 : 1/14/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15553101 UConn4523 said:
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The other 3 are all fairly close. I think Thomas has been better than Wills at LT despite him also playing on a top tier line.


Becton looked great his rookie season and awful this year and is constantly hurt. We made the right call passing.
There is no discussion  
Go Terps : 1/14/2022 2:00 pm : link
It's just been years of whining about how good our players would be if they would just have good players around them.

They aren't good. They've never been good. They wouldn't be good elsewhere. They're losing players on a losing team assembled by one of the worst GMs this league has ever seen. The proof is overwhelming, and the only argument to the contrary is the same BS excuses you and others have been spouting.

The team is bad because the players are bad. Thomas is one of the best of a terrible lot. Great. That doesn't make him good.
Come on GT.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/14/2022 2:02 pm : link
Thomas is good.
Be happy  
Go Terps : 1/14/2022 2:02 pm : link
Gettleman is gone, and in about three years the roster will be completely different. Mercifully.
RE: RE: RE: Thomas isn't in Wirfs's class,  
speedywheels : 1/14/2022 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15553111 Go Terps said:
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.

Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.



Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.



The excuses and rationalizations continue...


LOL! Them playing two different positions is not an "excuse", it's a REALITY.

But we know you don't like it when facts get in the way of your narratives...

It's pretty clear the league values LT's more than RT's.
RE: There is no discussion  
speedywheels : 1/14/2022 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15553134 Go Terps said:
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It's just been years of whining about how good our players would be if they would just have good players around them.

They aren't good. They've never been good. They wouldn't be good elsewhere. They're losing players on a losing team assembled by one of the worst GMs this league has ever seen. The proof is overwhelming, and the only argument to the contrary is the same BS excuses you and others have been spouting.

The team is bad because the players are bad. Thomas is one of the best of a terrible lot. Great. That doesn't make him good.


Well, if you insist he isn't good, that MUST be the case then!

LOL....
I will not argue with anyone who says he's good  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/14/2022 2:04 pm : link
All Pro means you're the first or second best in the league at your position. Thomas isn't. That's fine.

A bad start for a high-drafted rookie can take years to rebuild reputation. Ronnie Stanley didn't make All Pro until year 3 or 4.
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Go Terps : 1/14/2022 2:08 pm : link
It's also pretty clear that Wirfs is first team All Pro and Thomas wasn't even considered.
RE: Come on GT.  
Go Terps : 1/14/2022 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15553135 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Thomas is good.


He's ok. Like I said, he's not a bum. But in Wirfs's class? Nope.
When you look at the list of names, it's easy to understand.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/14/2022 2:11 pm : link
I wouldn't put him above any of these men yet.

Left Tackle

Trent Williams, San Francisco, 46;
Rashawn Slater, Los Angeles Chargers, 2;
Orlando Brown Jr., Kansas City, 1;
Tyron Smith, Dallas, 1.

I think he'll be on the ballot eventually.



Thought maybe Gano  
jeff57 : 1/14/2022 2:18 pm : link
Had a chance for the second team.
Giants haven't had an all pro since 2016  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/14/2022 2:22 pm : link
Damon Harrison and Landon Collins made first team that year with , Beckham , Vernon, Jackrabbit, & DRC (Pickleee boii) all making second team
I don’t understand  
Rave7 : 1/14/2022 2:32 pm : link
why people are fighting over who’s better with Thomas and Wirfs.
Both are good players but ended up in complete different situation.
Thomas was drafted poorly managed and less talented Giants with questionable quarterback playing and Wirfs was drafted to Bucs who has solid oline already with GOAT Brady playing as quarterback.
So far Wirfs is having a great career with Bucs but I doubt he plays the same if he was drafted to Giants. Sometimes where you drafted makes huge difference in NFL. Same for quarterback,and other positions, too.
Just appreciate both are good players and move on.
I find it unbelievable  
Mike from SI : 1/14/2022 2:50 pm : link
that when I say the Giants should have taken Wirfs over Thomas, people on this board say I'm wrong. The homerism is so strong here. (See Jones, Daniel.)
RE: RE: RE: Thomas isn't in Wirfs's class,  
bw in dc : 1/14/2022 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15553122 UConn4523 said:
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.

Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.



Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.

Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.



Well the league doesn't agree with you. A premium is still placed on LT by a pretty big margin. The highest paid LT is 34 and makes $23m per year, and a brand new top RT deal is at $19m per year mark.


I get it. Not a huge delta though. With such a scarcity of quality of OLs at all spots, my view is you grab one regardless of the spot - T,G or C.

In this case, I can't believe you would rather have the all pro RT or a good/solid LT.



How much are OL All Pro  
JB_in_DC : 1/14/2022 3:03 pm : link
votes akin to Gold Gloves in baseball? These are voted on by journalists, not scouts/coaches who are crushing tape. These votes can be driven by past reputation, overall team success, or even PFF grades.

Seems silly to get too worked up over them.
Why...  
JohnG in Albany : 1/14/2022 3:04 pm : link
would you post this topic on this site? *grin*
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