Trent Williams, San Francisco, 46;
Rashawn Slater, Los Angeles Chargers, 2;
Orlando Brown Jr., Kansas City, 1;
Tyron Smith, Dallas, 1.
I think he'll be on the ballot eventually.
The non -TW votes aren’t exactly an overwhelming endorsement above a -0- vote getter.
I don’t know how great a season TW is having, but I’m a little suspicious of the vote leader getting 23x the number of votes the 2nd place vote getter has.
because his team isn’t good enough. Even if he played a perfect season and he was hands down the best at his position, he still wouldn’t have been selected.
If you look up and down those selections, you see that it’s composed almost exclusively of players on teams that finished in the top half of the standings.
as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.
Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.
Well the league doesn't agree with you. A premium is still placed on LT by a pretty big margin. The highest paid LT is 34 and makes $23m per year, and a brand new top RT deal is at $19m per year mark.
I get it. Not a huge delta though. With such a scarcity of quality of OLs at all spots, my view is you grab one regardless of the spot - T,G or C.
In this case, I can't believe you would rather have the all pro RT or a good/solid LT.
That isn't what I said, can't believe how easily words are twisted.
I'm of the opinion that Wirfs is playing with elite talent around him and to his credit, fits in and anchors that side at a high level. Thomas, stark contrast, plays on an incredibly weak line and anchors the left side as much as he can but has shaky play next to him so what he does well doesn't really stand out as much. If you aren't going to look at it in that lens than so be it, but I think its foolish to discount people that do.
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.
Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.
Well the league doesn't agree with you. A premium is still placed on LT by a pretty big margin. The highest paid LT is 34 and makes $23m per year, and a brand new top RT deal is at $19m per year mark.
I get it. Not a huge delta though. With such a scarcity of quality of OLs at all spots, my view is you grab one regardless of the spot - T,G or C.
In this case, I can't believe you would rather have the all pro RT or a good/solid LT.
That isn't what I said, can't believe how easily words are twisted.
I'm of the opinion that Wirfs is playing with elite talent around him and to his credit, fits in and anchors that side at a high level. Thomas, stark contrast, plays on an incredibly weak line and anchors the left side as much as he can but has shaky play next to him so what he does well doesn't really stand out as much. If you aren't going to look at it in that lens than so be it, but I think its foolish to discount people that do.
as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.
The excuses and rationalizations continue...
Teprs, Gettleman and Judge are gone, you're struck with Mara so it's decision time big guy. Did you hate the guys running the team and the direction they were taking it or do you just hate the team? BTW A great answer would be "Why can't both be true"
swap Mike Evans and Kenny Golladay - is it that ridiculous to think Evans would falter here and Golladay would play really well and motivated catching passes from Brady instead of Mike Glennon?
Team game people, the players around you matter. To varying degrees of course but to flat out reject this concept is pretty baffling.
votes akin to Gold Gloves in baseball? These are voted on by journalists, not scouts/coaches who are crushing tape. These votes can be driven by past reputation, overall team success, or even PFF grades.
Seems silly to get too worked up over them.
Journalists have always voted for All-Pro teams. It has always been the most respected measure of regular-season performance.
Journalists vote for League MVP as well. Journalists put guys into the hall of fame. Either we believe in it and respect the measurement or not. It's certainly a better measurement than pro bowls.
Wouldn’t it be great right now to have Wirfs and Slater on the roster
Bookend all pro tackles. Let that sink in my Giant friends. Terps and I are not saying that Thomas is not good but that Wirfs is better.
Instead were discussing who is the better prospect in this years draft Neal or Cross.
If Thomas had the exact same season as he did this year, but the Giants won 9/10 games, media would be all over Thomas as “one of the best young left tackles in football.”
If Thomas had the exact same season as he did this year, but the Giants won 9/10 games, media would be all over Thomas as “one of the best young left tackles in football.”
It’s just the way it goes when the team sucks
Two Bears made the second team - Robert Quinn and Roquan Smith. And the Bears were 6-11.
I think it's foolish to live in a fantasy world where we pretend to know how X player would perform in Y situation. It's complete conjecture and worthless to any actual discussion.
In the real world, Wirfs is an All Pro and Thomas isn't close to that. It matters because it's another example of Gettleman's incompetence and why this roster is such a disaster.
votes akin to Gold Gloves in baseball? These are voted on by journalists, not scouts/coaches who are crushing tape. These votes can be driven by past reputation, overall team success, or even PFF grades.
Seems silly to get too worked up over them.
Journalists have always voted for All-Pro teams. It has always been the most respected measure of regular-season performance.
Journalists vote for League MVP as well. Journalists put guys into the hall of fame. Either we believe in it and respect the measurement or not. It's certainly a better measurement than pro bowls.
I think you're missing my point. Plenty of positions are perfectly fine having journalists - basically lay people, like well informed fans - vote on. The positions that can effectively be judged by the equivalent of "back of the baseball card" stats. For instance, you look at the league this year and its pretty clear that the MVP is Rodgers, with Brady coming in second, TJ Watt as DPOY, etc. But some positions are a little in the weeds for lay people. That's why Baldy breakdowns make such enjoyable viewing, having a guy who really knows what he's talking about distill it.
I think it'd be cool to have an additional award for the big fellas. In the past the All Madden teams were a decent example of this maybe, but that's before my time. Sort of like the Fielding Bible Award in baseball, but that's purely sabermetrics, whereas line play is more nuanced than that.
My comments have nothing to do with Wirfs or Thomas.
This is really a joke as most voters really do not know the data behind voting for many positions and it is more like a fan voting for an All Star game. All Pro should be voted by the players and coaches - why does a writer get to select All Pro?
This is really a joke as most voters really do not know the data behind voting for many positions and it is more like a fan voting for an All Star game. All Pro should be voted by the players and coaches - why does a writer get to select All Pro?
Players voting on this would make it entirely unserious. Evan engram made a pro bowl and that's based on fans, coaches, and Players voting.
This is really a joke as most voters really do not know the data behind voting for many positions and it is more like a fan voting for an All Star game. All Pro should be voted by the players and coaches - why does a writer get to select All Pro?
I think it's foolish to live in a fantasy world where we pretend to know how X player would perform in Y situation. It's complete conjecture and worthless to any actual discussion.
In the real world, Wirfs is an All Pro and Thomas isn't close to that. It matters because it's another example of Gettleman's incompetence and why this roster is such a disaster.
That's the real world.
Your go to phrases that you use so frequently with such certainty and it gets you out of ever having to have a conversation that doesn't work in your favor. Love it, might start using that to see where it gets me.
I'm not going to do it based on "what if they switched teams" arguments. There's nothing provable there...it's complete conjecture. People do that with Jones, and I've seen it lead to insane comparisons to Herbert, Burrow, and even Rodgers and Brady. That's not a conversation worth having.
is we may finally have a lottery pick in Thomas who can live up to his draft slot. That's encouraging after back-to-back misses with Barkley and Jones in '18 and '19.
For me, missing on Wirfs isn't nearly the kick in the balls as missing out on Slater in last year's draft. Having on OL with both Slater and Thomas as anchors would have been tremendous moving forward.
you use the same arguments all the time - but you never seem to say that when you’re wrong. Like saying “the offense probably won’t change with Glennon” or “we will probably go 3-0 with Fromm.”
For some reason, you only say it’s “conjecture” when others give their opinions.
you use the same arguments all the time - but you never seem to say that when you’re wrong. Like saying “the offense probably won’t change with Glennon” or “we will probably go 3-0 with Fromm.”
For some reason, you only say it’s “conjecture” when others give their opinions.
I never said we'd go 3-0 with Fromm. Why make shit up?
you say you want to have a conversation about Wirfs vs Thomas….but then you don’t actually want to have it.
Thomas played a lot better in year 2. He had what….1 sack given up? How many pressures? Less than 10 all season? He shut down his man pretty much every game, on a really shitty OL with a QB that definitely holds the ball longer than he should.
Wirfs is definitely the better player right now. What we are saying is the future or the “projection” of Thomas is why the Giants drafted him, they thought he could be a pro bowl left tackle.
I haven’t seen anything so far to make me think he can’t be that, perhaps as early as next season.
Oh cmon dude. Yes you did. You said “watch, we’ll go 3-0 with Fromm and it will screw up our draft position.”
You said that. And I don’t care. I’m just saying - you’ve made some weird ass predictions lately but for some reason you think you only talk in “certainties” but you don’t.
You think Malik Willis can be awesome. What if he ends up sucking? Are you going to talk about that?
You are a bitter fan that doesn’t want to talk about anything
that isn’t about us sucking. Just admit that and be done with it. Sports is made up entirely of projections, what if scenarios, statistical probabilities, anomalies, and everything in between. If you are tired of people talking about Jones maybe being good on a better team then you shouldnt be on the threads. If you can’t talk about Thomas probably being a really good LT for the Bucs than that’s completely on you. “It hasn’t happened so I’m not talking about it” is the most juvenile stance to have in any form of debate or discussion.
Daniel Jones sucked here. See, I can do it too! Now I just need to muster up the balls to say it on every thread and maybe you’ll accept me into the discussion.
I did not say we'd go 3-0 with Fromm. Never even implied it. Made up.
Alright, we’ll now you’re just lying. But sure, fine.
As for Thomas, it’s time to just accept the fact that he’s our left tackle and he’s an ascending talent, one of the better young left tackles in football. Is he great? No, not yet. Nobody’s putting him in the hall of fame dude. You just can’t handle any discussion with someone being possibly really good on the Giants right now.
You probably thought McKinney sucked or was a bust after 1 season too. You probably thought Julian Love didn’t belong on a football field after 1 season.
You want to build through the draft and then can’t help yourself from making a comment about a player before their career even starts. Just give it a rest man. Thomas is not going to be traded, as much as you’d hope for that to happen.
and Justin Simmons. All players the Giants could have had recently, or were talked about as potential draft picks back when they were drafted.
You mean Jeffrey Simmons? We could have had him instead of Lawrence in 2019.
Now, Simmons has popped into an All-Pro and Lawrence is trending to be a JAG+.
I wasn't really thinking about Jefrrey Simmons, but Justin Simmons, the S, who was on the board when we took Darian Thompson. I believe Sy in his "what I'd have done" article said he'd have drafted Simmons.
I did not say we'd go 3-0 with Fromm. Never even implied it. Made up.
Alright, we’ll now you’re just lying. But sure, fine.
As for Thomas, it’s time to just accept the fact that he’s our left tackle and he’s an ascending talent, one of the better young left tackles in football. Is he great? No, not yet. Nobody’s putting him in the hall of fame dude. You just can’t handle any discussion with someone being possibly really good on the Giants right now.
Never said it. Made up. Like your idiotic arguments for Jones all season.
but also because he is one of the few good players this moron GM has put on the roster.
But with that said, Gettleman's questionable decisions aren't just players that bust or underperform causing the Giants to be a bottom-feeding team. Sometimes they are decent or good decisions but there are still yet better ones on the table to consider.
Thomas looks like a good decision...but tough to say he was the best OT to select that day based on how Wirfs has performed.
When you are picking at the top of the draft every year like Gettleman has been, he has to be flat out nailing these picks. But he hasn't, at all...
well I’m not gonna go back and look for your comment amongst the rubble, but you did. Not sure why you keep defending it.
Because I don't appreciate being misquoted by mouth breathers. If I'd said that, I'd own up to it. I've had no issues pointing out when over been wrong in the past.
in the context of All-Pro voting. They play different positions, ffs. If you're talking strictly about votes, you should be comparing him to Trent Williams who, at this point in both of their careers, is clearly the superior player. Saying "he got no votes" compared to Williams (rather than Wirfs) is the correct interpretation. How many votes Wirfs got at RT is completely irrelevant to voting for LT. Not a difficult concept to grasp.
You mean Jeffrey Simmons? We could have had him instead of Lawrence in 2019.
Now, Simmons has popped into an All-Pro and Lawrence is trending to be a JAG+.
I wasn't really thinking about Jefrrey Simmons, but Justin Simmons, the S, who was on the board when we took Darian Thompson. I believe Sy in his "what I'd have done" article said he'd have drafted Simmons.
Got it. That was back in 2016 with Simmons.
I'm just focusing on all of Gettleman's misses. ;)
From what I remember, you wanted the Giants to take Wirfs since he was your #1 rated tackle, but (rightly) predicted they'd take Thomas because it was such a Gettlemany pick.
I like Thomas though. Sure, they could have done better. But good God they could have done a lot worse.
you use the same arguments all the time - but you never seem to say that when you’re wrong. Like saying “the offense probably won’t change with Glennon” or “we will probably go 3-0 with Fromm.”
That doesn't sound like something Terps would say and I never saw him say it, but even if he did, that's not as silly as you insisting we were going to go 17-0 with Daniel Jones.
(see what I did there? Anyone can make up something someone else never said)
you use the same arguments all the time - but you never seem to say that when you’re wrong. Like saying “the offense probably won’t change with Glennon” or “we will probably go 3-0 with Fromm.”
That doesn't sound like something Terps would say and I never saw him say it, but even if he did, that's not as silly as you insisting we were going to go 17-0 with Daniel Jones.
(see what I did there? Anyone can make up something someone else never said)
What's annoying is that like the inane "If Herbert were on the Giants he'd be as awful as Jones" or "if Thomas were on the Bucs he'd be as good as Wirfs" arguments, when someone attributes a made up quote to you it's impossible to disprove.
Terps, you’re lying. It’s not a “made up quote” - and you know that - which is the reason you keep bringing it up.
It’s alright. You thought Glennon was just as good as Jones. You thought Fromm would magically be kinda good and win games for us. And it’s because you hate Jones so much that it actually clouds your thinking.
Left Tackle
Trent Williams, San Francisco, 46;
Rashawn Slater, Los Angeles Chargers, 2;
Orlando Brown Jr., Kansas City, 1;
Tyron Smith, Dallas, 1.
I think he'll be on the ballot eventually.
The non -TW votes aren’t exactly an overwhelming endorsement above a -0- vote getter.
I don’t know how great a season TW is having, but I’m a little suspicious of the vote leader getting 23x the number of votes the 2nd place vote getter has.
If you look up and down those selections, you see that it’s composed almost exclusively of players on teams that finished in the top half of the standings.
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.
Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.
Well the league doesn't agree with you. A premium is still placed on LT by a pretty big margin. The highest paid LT is 34 and makes $23m per year, and a brand new top RT deal is at $19m per year mark.
I get it. Not a huge delta though. With such a scarcity of quality of OLs at all spots, my view is you grab one regardless of the spot - T,G or C.
In this case, I can't believe you would rather have the all pro RT or a good/solid LT.
That isn't what I said, can't believe how easily words are twisted.
I'm of the opinion that Wirfs is playing with elite talent around him and to his credit, fits in and anchors that side at a high level. Thomas, stark contrast, plays on an incredibly weak line and anchors the left side as much as he can but has shaky play next to him so what he does well doesn't really stand out as much. If you aren't going to look at it in that lens than so be it, but I think its foolish to discount people that do.
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Right. Wirfs is THE best RT in the NFL. And RTs face great pass rushers just as much as LTs.
Thomas has improved and that's what we want. But Wirfs is great and on the early road to Canton.
Well the league doesn't agree with you. A premium is still placed on LT by a pretty big margin. The highest paid LT is 34 and makes $23m per year, and a brand new top RT deal is at $19m per year mark.
I get it. Not a huge delta though. With such a scarcity of quality of OLs at all spots, my view is you grab one regardless of the spot - T,G or C.
In this case, I can't believe you would rather have the all pro RT or a good/solid LT.
That isn't what I said, can't believe how easily words are twisted.
I'm of the opinion that Wirfs is playing with elite talent around him and to his credit, fits in and anchors that side at a high level. Thomas, stark contrast, plays on an incredibly weak line and anchors the left side as much as he can but has shaky play next to him so what he does well doesn't really stand out as much. If you aren't going to look at it in that lens than so be it, but I think its foolish to discount people that do.
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as evidenced by Wirfs being first team all-pro and Thomas not getting a single vote.
Thomas isn't a bum, but he's not great either. It's ok to admit it.
Well if you aren't factoring in who they are playing with or that they play different positions than I'm going to go ahead and bow out, the time arguing isn't worth it. And if you did do the above and think about it a little, maybe you'd admit it.
The excuses and rationalizations continue...
Teprs, Gettleman and Judge are gone, you're struck with Mara so it's decision time big guy. Did you hate the guys running the team and the direction they were taking it or do you just hate the team? BTW A great answer would be "Why can't both be true"
Both made 2nd team All Pro.
So glad our coaches and front office were "much happier" than us about our OL.
Team game people, the players around you matter. To varying degrees of course but to flat out reject this concept is pretty baffling.
Seems silly to get too worked up over them.
Journalists have always voted for All-Pro teams. It has always been the most respected measure of regular-season performance.
Journalists vote for League MVP as well. Journalists put guys into the hall of fame. Either we believe in it and respect the measurement or not. It's certainly a better measurement than pro bowls.
Instead were discussing who is the better prospect in this years draft Neal or Cross.
It’s just the way it goes when the team sucks
It’s just the way it goes when the team sucks
Two Bears made the second team - Robert Quinn and Roquan Smith. And the Bears were 6-11.
In the real world, Wirfs is an All Pro and Thomas isn't close to that. It matters because it's another example of Gettleman's incompetence and why this roster is such a disaster.
That's the real world.
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votes akin to Gold Gloves in baseball? These are voted on by journalists, not scouts/coaches who are crushing tape. These votes can be driven by past reputation, overall team success, or even PFF grades.
Seems silly to get too worked up over them.
Journalists have always voted for All-Pro teams. It has always been the most respected measure of regular-season performance.
Journalists vote for League MVP as well. Journalists put guys into the hall of fame. Either we believe in it and respect the measurement or not. It's certainly a better measurement than pro bowls.
I think you're missing my point. Plenty of positions are perfectly fine having journalists - basically lay people, like well informed fans - vote on. The positions that can effectively be judged by the equivalent of "back of the baseball card" stats. For instance, you look at the league this year and its pretty clear that the MVP is Rodgers, with Brady coming in second, TJ Watt as DPOY, etc. But some positions are a little in the weeds for lay people. That's why Baldy breakdowns make such enjoyable viewing, having a guy who really knows what he's talking about distill it.
I think it'd be cool to have an additional award for the big fellas. In the past the All Madden teams were a decent example of this maybe, but that's before my time. Sort of like the Fielding Bible Award in baseball, but that's purely sabermetrics, whereas line play is more nuanced than that.
My comments have nothing to do with Wirfs or Thomas.
That said, if Thomas was Brady's left tackle he probably gives up zero sacks.
And Thomas is not "just ok". He's above average lets stop the silliness.
If we're discussing long term, I actually like Thomas b/c he can still improve. Wirfs too, but I believe Thomas can play at an all pro level.
Players voting on this would make it entirely unserious. Evan engram made a pro bowl and that's based on fans, coaches, and Players voting.
What do you think they got wrong?
In the real world, Wirfs is an All Pro and Thomas isn't close to that. It matters because it's another example of Gettleman's incompetence and why this roster is such a disaster.
That's the real world.
Your go to phrases that you use so frequently with such certainty and it gets you out of ever having to have a conversation that doesn't work in your favor. Love it, might start using that to see where it gets me.
For me, missing on Wirfs isn't nearly the kick in the balls as missing out on Slater in last year's draft. Having on OL with both Slater and Thomas as anchors would have been tremendous moving forward.
Wirfs went to play on a strong OL in front of Tom FUCKIN Brady.
not taking away from him, but put Thomas on the bucs and he'd looked pretty damn good as well.
oh BTW, Donovan Smith who is the Bucs LT was picked right after the Giants traded up to take Landon Collins a FUCKING SAFETY
For some reason, you only say it’s “conjecture” when others give their opinions.
For some reason, you only say it’s “conjecture” when others give their opinions.
I never said we'd go 3-0 with Fromm. Why make shit up?
Thomas played a lot better in year 2. He had what….1 sack given up? How many pressures? Less than 10 all season? He shut down his man pretty much every game, on a really shitty OL with a QB that definitely holds the ball longer than he should.
Wirfs is definitely the better player right now. What we are saying is the future or the “projection” of Thomas is why the Giants drafted him, they thought he could be a pro bowl left tackle.
I haven’t seen anything so far to make me think he can’t be that, perhaps as early as next season.
You said that. And I don’t care. I’m just saying - you’ve made some weird ass predictions lately but for some reason you think you only talk in “certainties” but you don’t.
You think Malik Willis can be awesome. What if he ends up sucking? Are you going to talk about that?
Daniel Jones sucked here. See, I can do it too! Now I just need to muster up the balls to say it on every thread and maybe you’ll accept me into the discussion.
Alright, we’ll now you’re just lying. But sure, fine.
As for Thomas, it’s time to just accept the fact that he’s our left tackle and he’s an ascending talent, one of the better young left tackles in football. Is he great? No, not yet. Nobody’s putting him in the hall of fame dude. You just can’t handle any discussion with someone being possibly really good on the Giants right now.
You want to build through the draft and then can’t help yourself from making a comment about a player before their career even starts. Just give it a rest man. Thomas is not going to be traded, as much as you’d hope for that to happen.
You mean Jeffrey Simmons? We could have had him instead of Lawrence in 2019.
Now, Simmons has popped into an All-Pro and Lawrence is trending to be a JAG+.
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and Justin Simmons. All players the Giants could have had recently, or were talked about as potential draft picks back when they were drafted.
You mean Jeffrey Simmons? We could have had him instead of Lawrence in 2019.
Now, Simmons has popped into an All-Pro and Lawrence is trending to be a JAG+.
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I did not say we'd go 3-0 with Fromm. Never even implied it. Made up.
Alright, we’ll now you’re just lying. But sure, fine.
As for Thomas, it’s time to just accept the fact that he’s our left tackle and he’s an ascending talent, one of the better young left tackles in football. Is he great? No, not yet. Nobody’s putting him in the hall of fame dude. You just can’t handle any discussion with someone being possibly really good on the Giants right now.
Never said it. Made up. Like your idiotic arguments for Jones all season.
But with that said, Gettleman's questionable decisions aren't just players that bust or underperform causing the Giants to be a bottom-feeding team. Sometimes they are decent or good decisions but there are still yet better ones on the table to consider.
Thomas looks like a good decision...but tough to say he was the best OT to select that day based on how Wirfs has performed.
When you are picking at the top of the draft every year like Gettleman has been, he has to be flat out nailing these picks. But he hasn't, at all...
Because I don't appreciate being misquoted by mouth breathers. If I'd said that, I'd own up to it. I've had no issues pointing out when over been wrong in the past.
I didn't say that. You made it up. Fuck off.
You mean Jeffrey Simmons? We could have had him instead of Lawrence in 2019.
Now, Simmons has popped into an All-Pro and Lawrence is trending to be a JAG+.
I wasn't really thinking about Jefrrey Simmons, but Justin Simmons, the S, who was on the board when we took Darian Thompson. I believe Sy in his "what I'd have done" article said he'd have drafted Simmons.
Got it. That was back in 2016 with Simmons.
I'm just focusing on all of Gettleman's misses. ;)
From what I remember, you wanted the Giants to take Wirfs since he was your #1 rated tackle, but (rightly) predicted they'd take Thomas because it was such a Gettlemany pick.
I like Thomas though. Sure, they could have done better. But good God they could have done a lot worse.
That doesn't sound like something Terps would say and I never saw him say it, but even if he did, that's not as silly as you insisting we were going to go 17-0 with Daniel Jones.
(see what I did there? Anyone can make up something someone else never said)
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you use the same arguments all the time - but you never seem to say that when you’re wrong. Like saying “the offense probably won’t change with Glennon” or “we will probably go 3-0 with Fromm.”
That doesn't sound like something Terps would say and I never saw him say it, but even if he did, that's not as silly as you insisting we were going to go 17-0 with Daniel Jones.
(see what I did there? Anyone can make up something someone else never said)
What's annoying is that like the inane "If Herbert were on the Giants he'd be as awful as Jones" or "if Thomas were on the Bucs he'd be as good as Wirfs" arguments, when someone attributes a made up quote to you it's impossible to disprove.
It’s alright. You thought Glennon was just as good as Jones. You thought Fromm would magically be kinda good and win games for us. And it’s because you hate Jones so much that it actually clouds your thinking.
We all get it. It’s not a big deal man
You can’t have a legit conversation with anyone on this board because you’re so far beyond being a fan of the team.