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Who’s untouchable on this roster?

3rdnlong : 1/15/2022 12:21 am
There are only a few in my opinion. Not taking salary into consideration….just the player.

Thomas
Williams
McKinney
Ojulari
Martinez
Lawrence

The rest can all go or stay. In other words, blow it up.
After four years that's a great core  
adamg : 1/15/2022 12:23 am : link
Too bad Getty retired. But next man up!
Martinez might not even be ready to play next year  
Bill in UT : 1/15/2022 12:26 am : link
Lawrence has been a disappointment, he isn't certain to get a 12nd contract. Ojulari had a nice rookie year, but I wouldn't call him untouchable. The first 3 guys are keepers
Untouchable is not the right word, but I would include  
George from PA : 1/15/2022 12:27 am : link
The 3 corners, Love and the other 2 rookie edges
Forgot Toni Tone Tony  
adamg : 1/15/2022 12:27 am : link
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Really it’s just Thomas  
Ben in Tampa : 1/15/2022 12:54 am : link
McKinney

Toney and Ojulari get grandfathered because
Of their draft status

Literally everyone else is up a toss up
I'd strongly  
Mook80 : 1/15/2022 12:58 am : link
disagree about Lawrence being untouchable.

You could go games at a time and not even realize he's playing. He's not a bad player but he's the definition of average.
Ok  
OC2.0 : 1/15/2022 2:35 am : link
O- Thomas, Golladay, & Toney
D- Martinez, Oj, LW, most of the secondary.
......  
Route 9 : 1/15/2022 2:35 am : link
Gano. He should get his own entire floor as a locker room.
Wow another thread bashing the Giants!  
Milton : 1/15/2022 3:18 am : link
Is anything new being said? Of course not! But it isn't about that, just the opposite, it's about seeing how many times we can say the same thing over and over and over again. Somebody should add them all up and send it to Guinness, there's definitely a world record in it for BBI!
"It must be over a hundred courics" - ( New Window )
No one  
Go Terps : 1/15/2022 4:06 am : link
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Lawrence?  
Doubledeuce22 : 1/15/2022 5:25 am : link
Meh
RE: No one  
mfsd : 1/15/2022 6:52 am : link
In comment 15553675 Go Terps said:
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Exactly

Some guys arent movable bc of where they are in their contracts, or still on affordable rookie deals.

But considering talent alone, nobody is untouchable if someone wants to offer us the farm in a trade

I think the world of Leonard Williams for playing hard all the way through the season despite a lingering elbow injury, after he already got his big payday. But that doesn’t mean he’s untouchable, if someone offered us a 1st round pick for him, wouldn’t think twice

Thomas and McKinney are the only ones worth considering that way, but even they aren’t there yet. The roster is painfully devoid of elite talent right now
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David Dooley : 1/15/2022 7:22 am : link
David Sills. 3 positions in one. WR, back up QB and special teams. You can’t find that versatility anywhere.
Thomas & McKinney  
US1 Giants : 1/15/2022 7:30 am : link
Those are the only guys I would not consider trading.
Come on guys ... be serious.  
Spider56 : 1/15/2022 7:51 am : link
Robinson looked good late considering he OT a very late start. His 2nd year will be like McKinneys.

Roche also flashed. He and AO can be bookend a Edge’s with the right coaching.
No one  
UConn4523 : 1/15/2022 7:53 am : link
and there’s probably quite a few teams in the league you can say that for.
RE: Thomas & McKinney  
The_Boss : 1/15/2022 8:15 am : link
In comment 15553694 US1 Giants said:
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Those are the only guys I would not consider trading.


That’s it, really.

I’d put a for sale sign in every other locker in the locker room.
Gano  
Pete in MD : 1/15/2022 8:17 am : link
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No one is untouchable. Maybe only Thomas even approaches  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 8:30 am : link
that designation because good Left Tackles are a rarity.

And when a team like the Giants, who have such a arduous time finding quality O-linemen, actually find one you hold onto them...
RE: No one  
FStubbs : 1/15/2022 8:36 am : link
In comment 15553675 Go Terps said:
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Why would you trade Andrew Thomas?

He's the only player on the roster that I wouldn't listen to offers for.
Thomas  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/15/2022 8:39 am : link
McKinney. I think that's where it ends for untouchable IMO.

However, I'd keep Ojulari, Roche, Love, Gano, Toney (why not?) as well.

Probably stuck with Lawrence (who is a good player- just paid too much IMO), Golladay and Bradbury due to contract restructuring by Gettleman.
Lawrence and Martinez  
ajr2456 : 1/15/2022 8:39 am : link
Are not untouchable
RE: Wow another thread bashing the Giants!  
ajr2456 : 1/15/2022 8:39 am : link
In comment 15553673 Milton said:
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Is anything new being said? Of course not! But it isn't about that, just the opposite, it's about seeing how many times we can say the same thing over and over and over again. Somebody should add them all up and send it to Guinness, there's definitely a world record in it for BBI! "It must be over a hundred courics" - ( New Window )


Why are you so mad? The team sucks and discussing who should be kept and who shouldn’t is actually a legitimate discussion.
I don't think anybody is untouchable  
Producer : 1/15/2022 8:49 am : link
But AT seems a good long term option
RE: .  
Bill in UT : 1/15/2022 9:34 am : link
In comment 15553693 David Dooley said:
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David Sills. 3 positions in one. WR, back up QB and special teams. You can’t find that versatility anywhere.


Oh, yeah, I forgot about Sills
Thomas & Jones  
Carl in CT : 1/15/2022 9:38 am : link
Yes Jones. You don’t trade your QB unless you have another one.
Trade Bait/ cut ?  
morrison40 : 1/15/2022 9:43 am : link
Martinez and Lawrence, depending on health and defensive scheme
3rd and: That list is okay if you want to separate them as untouchable  
Ivan15 : 1/15/2022 10:02 am : link
When you consider contract status and cap implications, the list gets a lot longer.

Review the roster, remove everyone with an expiring contract, then look at the production, cap and dead money of players with contracts expiring next year and look at the “cheap to keep” Jags and +Jags. There are only a few guys who are certain “goners” who are under contract for 2022.
I’d add Adoree Jackson  
Breeze_94 : 1/15/2022 10:09 am : link
Thought he had a good year and was the best CB on the team. Only 26 years old. And his contract has him here next year anyway.
RE: No one is untouchable. Maybe only Thomas even approaches  
bw in dc : 1/15/2022 10:21 am : link
In comment 15553721 Jimmy Googs said:
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that designation because good Left Tackles are a rarity.

And when a team like the Giants, who have such a arduous time finding quality O-linemen, actually find one you hold onto them...


Agreed. I've said nobody to this question in the past.

But Thomas is trending in the right direction sure. And finding quality OLs at ANY position is really a challenge around most of the league. So it's become, IMV, the second hardest position to solve for behind QB.
These 6 are young and require more time...  
Joe in CT : 1/15/2022 10:29 am : link
more back end of the roster players who should be retained to see what we have: Cam Brown, Ellerson Smith, Darnay Holmes, Dante Pettis, Carter Coughlin, and Kyle Murphy. Anyone else with a expired contract should just walk unless they resign at vet minimum salary.
 
ryanmkeane : 1/15/2022 11:07 am : link
Jones should play next year. Either he’s reborn with a new staff and better OL or still average and we get a decently high pick.
For me,  
David B. : 1/15/2022 11:11 am : link
it's ONLY Andrew Thomas.

Sure, I'd keep the guys you mentioned, too. We don't know enough about Ojulari, Toney, and McKinney to give up on them yet. But they're not untouchable.

Williams - Love the guy, but high contract just blew out his knee, no? That changes his status.

Martinez - Also coming off ACL.

Lawrence is a JAG - good -- not great, run stuffing DT. You can get one of those guys in every draft -- and NOT in the 1st round. Hasn't lived up to the the 17th pick.
Untouchable is a strong word  
BrianLeonard23 : 1/15/2022 11:15 am : link
I like McKinney but if I was offered a bundle of picks like the one the Jets got for Jamal Adams I would take it.
RE: …  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 11:16 am : link
In comment 15553855 ryanmkeane said:
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Jones should play next year. Either he’s reborn with a new staff and better OL or still average and we get a decently high pick.


I might agree if he was average, but he's not.

And if the Giants bring in some credible competition (free agent or draft), he probably is heading to the bench...
10 wins over the last two seasons  
BrianLeonard23 : 1/15/2022 11:18 am : link
There’s numerous reasons why but a bad roster is one of them. I’d hold on to Thomas hoping he’s a cornerstone player and would be hard to replace but that’s basically it.
RE: For me,  
Angel Eyes : 1/15/2022 11:24 am : link
In comment 15553861 David B. said:
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it's ONLY Andrew Thomas.

Sure, I'd keep the guys you mentioned, too. We don't know enough about Ojulari, Toney, and McKinney to give up on them yet. But they're not untouchable.

Williams - Love the guy, but high contract just blew out his knee, no? That changes his status.

Martinez - Also coming off ACL.

Lawrence is a JAG - good -- not great, run stuffing DT. You can get one of those guys in every draft -- and NOT in the 1st round. Hasn't lived up to the the 17th pick.

Williams? I thought he was playing with a bad elbow, not knee.
RE: Thomas & Jones  
FStubbs : 1/15/2022 11:34 am : link
In comment 15553764 Carl in CT said:
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Yes Jones. You don’t trade your QB unless you have another one.


I don't think we have one. If someone wants Jones, I'm listening.
RE: RE: Thomas & Jones  
Angel Eyes : 1/15/2022 11:36 am : link
In comment 15553882 FStubbs said:
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In comment 15553764 Carl in CT said:


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Yes Jones. You don’t trade your QB unless you have another one.



I don't think we have one. If someone wants Jones, I'm listening.

That's the thing. I'll admit I've soured on Jones, but it's hard to get a good bead on whether or not another team will trade for him if his neck injury is bad enough thanks to conflicting reports. 5th year option is out for me though.
RE: …  
Go Terps : 1/15/2022 11:39 am : link
In comment 15553855 ryanmkeane said:
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Jones should play next year. Either he’s reborn with a new staff and better OL or still average and we get a decently high pick.


Average is as level Jones has never reached. Jones sucks, and should not play for the Giants ever again. Hopefully he's doesn't.
untouchable is a wrong word  
fkap : 1/15/2022 11:58 am : link
there's no one that could not be dealt if someone backs up the money wagon.

There's keepers, and there's those you can live with for now, and there's they gotta go.

Unlike a lot of BBIers, I don't think you blow up the team. It creates more holes. Realistically, there's only so many good players you can acquire in a short period of time. Use the natural attrition (20-30% on average?) to replace the 'they gotta go' guys. Weed out the overpriced players whose dumping adds a lot of money to the cap.
If someone wants to trade and gives a reasonable offer, most of the roster can be up for grabs. But I wouldn't give up any of the 'can live with' players at a bargain price. I'd rather an iffy starter than a 4th or below. I'd rather have an ok-decent starter than a 3rd.

Gettleman got rid of players just to get rid of them, and then brought in garbage that needed to be gotten rid of.

I would keep Jones. He is as good as the other wannabe starters that would be brought in. It is possible (maybe not likely, but possible) that he does well in a new system. Plus, his prorated signing bonus pretty much cancels out any guaranteed salary you save by trading. Full cap hit is dead money if you cut him. At least keep him for backup. That changes if someone offers a good deal (1st or 2nd), but that probably isn't happening.
No one is untouchable,  
Section331 : 1/15/2022 12:51 pm : link
but the only surefire cornerstones are AT and McKinney. It would take a very good offer to pry Ojulari away, but other than that, everyone is expendable.
To illustrate the point of nobody is untoucheable  
.McL. : 1/15/2022 2:17 pm : link
Consider the Tunsil deal.
If we were offered what the Dolphins got for Tunsil, I think we would all take it in an instant.
As long  
Shady Lurker : 1/15/2022 2:21 pm : link
as you understand the value of your players no one should be untouchable. Let someone go out and overpay for one of your pieces if they're willing to
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Slowasski : 1/15/2022 2:37 pm : link
I doubt the OP meant those are players are literally untouchable. More of an expression saying, if you want one of these players you'll have to pay through the nose.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/15/2022 2:38 pm : link
I don't anyone is untouchable, but I'm not moving AT or Xavier unless I'm getting a king's ransom.
RE: RE: RE: Thomas & Jones  
Scooter185 : 1/15/2022 2:39 pm : link
In comment 15553889 Angel Eyes said:
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In comment 15553882 FStubbs said:


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In comment 15553764 Carl in CT said:


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Yes Jones. You don’t trade your QB unless you have another one.



I don't think we have one. If someone wants Jones, I'm listening.


That's the thing. I'll admit I've soured on Jones, but it's hard to get a good bead on whether or not another team will trade for him if his neck injury is bad enough thanks to conflicting reports. 5th year option is out for me though.


Other teams would discuss his medicals during talks, and of course have a physical if they traded for him

Just because -we- don't know all the details about his injury doesn't mean the other GMs wouldn't when making offers
To help you analyze the problem, ask yourself  
Jerry in_DC : 1/15/2022 4:26 pm : link
How many players on this roster would return a 1st round pick?

Probably 1 IMO, Thomas.

To think about the word "untouchable" ask yourself, how much would Cincy/LAC/KC need to pull the trigger on trying their QBs? Would Cincy trade Burrow for 50 1st round picks?.. maybe...10...Probably not
Didn’t see  
Giants73 : 1/15/2022 4:30 pm : link
Dixon and Ebner listed
No one  
JonC : 1/15/2022 4:31 pm : link
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RE: To help you analyze the problem, ask yourself  
Producer : 1/15/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15554277 Jerry in_DC said:
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How many players on this roster would return a 1st round pick?

Probably 1 IMO, Thomas.

To think about the word "untouchable" ask yourself, how much would Cincy/LAC/KC need to pull the trigger on trying their QBs? Would Cincy trade Burrow for 50 1st round picks?.. maybe...10...Probably not


Precisely..

Cincy wouldn't trade Burrow for anything. They've been waiting 50 years for a QB like him. That's an untouchable player. The Giants don't have a player like that.
RE: Thomas & McKinney  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/15/2022 5:36 pm : link
In comment 15553694 US1 Giants said:
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Those are the only guys I would not consider trading.

And really, would you absolutely not consider trading them?

If someone came calling with the #1 overall pick for McKinney, are you really turning that offer down?

If you got the sort of offer that the Dolphins got for Tunsil, are you refusing to trade Thomas?

This is a bad team right now. Even the best players should not be untouchable yet.
And I'm not saying we should trade everyone  
Jerry in_DC : 1/15/2022 6:25 pm : link
One of the many, many mistakes Gettleman made was to get rid of all of our good/decent players. It's real tough to reassemble a roster from zero. Especially for someone as dumb as Gettleman.

I wouldn't be trying to trade most of our young players. I'm fine with trading some guys, but I wouldn't go fire sale. Even the vets - you need some guys who can play even just to evaluate your young players.
There are 4 players on this roster worth a damn  
Dave in PA : 1/15/2022 6:47 pm : link
LW, AT, McKinney and Gano. Awesome
Truly untouchable, meaning under no circumstances do you trade?  
j_rud : 1/15/2022 7:25 pm : link
No one. C'mon, be honest. We have a couple guys who might be foundation pieces but will probably be at or near the end of their rookie deals by the time it's a competitive team again (if they get it right this time). And none of those guys (Thomas, Ojulari, McKinney) have out together back to back + seasons. That's not untouchable. And don't even talk about veterans. There's not a single veteran on this roster that I wouldn't trade for a 3rd rounder.
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