just listened to an interview from someone in the inside. He said Flores stopped speaking to his assistants at around Thanksgiving. The assistants executed a game plan each week without Flores' help or input. So, it is possible that Flores should not be given too much credit for that 8 game winning streak.
You can hear it on the attached redit thread. Not sure how much weight to put into this, but it needs to be looked into further before we consider hiring this guy.
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Let's not forget the Dolphins started 1-7 or 1-8 this year. Obviously, the talent on that team is pretty good. I think that bad start + not making the playoffs + his prickly ways = Bye Bye Brian. He's not worth the bullshit if he is not making the playoffs.
It could be BS, but ignoring it and not going the appropriate due diligence is a good way to end up with another Judge.
This doesn’t sound good. Just as I was starting to like the idea.
Don’t want to become the Cleveland Browns of the next Eric Mangini story.
I'm not cynical and I hate conspiracy theories, but this sounds like it to me. Pump up the coordinators and shit on the HC after he left? Who's buying this?
I'm not cynical and I hate conspiracy theories, but this sounds like it to me. Pump up the coordinators and shit on the HC after he left? Who's buying this?
I agree this particular instance doesn’t pass the smell test. It would be almost impossible to go half the season with no communication between HC and coaching staff. That’s ludicrous.
That said, he didn’t leave. He was fired. And he wasn’t fired for on field results so it’s not rocket science to assume there were some serious issues with relationships in the building
Awful Oline (pff has them at #32), limited QB, not many weapons outside of Waddle and a decent TE in Gesicki. The defense has a few players but not crazy talented. 2 of their better defensive players were rookies.
I’d say their roster compares very closely with the Giants. Flores had a winning record with that roster in the last 2 seasons.
What are the odds Miami regresses next year to under .500 again? I'd say pretty damn high.
A coach that finished 8-1 and who beat the Pats 3 out of the last 4 times was fired... why?
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What are the odds Miami regresses next year to under .500 again? I'd say pretty damn high.
It seems you would be perfectly fine keeping him whether all these rumors are true or not. And that’s disingenuous at best. Sometimes relationships become impossible to navigate around and it’s time to move on. It sucks for Flores and it’s ridiculous the GM wasn’t shown the door as well, but this could also be a case of Flores digging his own grave
Is it though? Perhaps it was Flores angling for Watson not Ross? Tua had 5 games where he averaged less than 6.0 Y/A. The Giants were worst in NFL at 5.8, 31st place averaged 6.0. Tua had one game (vs. us) between 5.8 and 6.0 Y/A. That means in just about 1/3 of his appearances he was averaging numbers that over a season would make them worst in NFL. His 5th best number was 7.42. That only puts them in 10-12 range. Technically one of his best and one of his worst games he only played a portion of the game but I included both. By comparison, Watson was over 8.0 Y/A in 3 of his 4 years (7.8 the other) including a whopping 8.9 Y/A in 2020 without Hopkins. Maybe Flores was right that Tua is holding them back.
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was referring to him being fired. Its like firing him wasn't convincing enough, stories are being made now to justify it, likely due to Miami fans being pissed their only good HC in forever is going to quickly get a new job and they are stuck holding the bag.
What are the odds Miami regresses next year to under .500 again? I'd say pretty damn high.
I have no idea what their record next year has to do with the discussion. You went off path with that one. It’s completely irrelevant to the discussion. And who the hell knows, we don’t even know who the coach will be, lol. May want to wait to see that before assuming they will certainly regress. Unless you somehow think Flores is the best coach on the planet and nobody else can possibly fill his shoes.
It seems you would be perfectly fine keeping him whether all these rumors are true or not. And that’s disingenuous at best. Sometimes relationships become impossible to navigate around and it’s time to move on. It sucks for Flores and it’s ridiculous the GM wasn’t shown the door as well, but this could also be a case of Flores digging his own grave
What are you talking about? They were separate comments and neither were directed at you.
I'll be more clear in case I wasn't. Topic #1 - This seems like a bullshit story to give the fans a reason why he was fired since he was a good coach. Topic #2 (which is completely relevant) is I bet they finish under .500 next year, further pissing off fans considering the 2 years they just had.
As far as Flores and the Giants, that will depend on the new GM. If the new GM wants Flores, and thinks he can work with him (and visa versa), then Flores is in play.
If not, then it won't happen. I have no doubt GM's talk to each other, and if Flores really did clash with his GM, then it may take something like an owner over-riding the GM on the selection. That's unlikely to happen here; JM would be roasted if he forced Flores on the new GM.
Let’s see him do it without Brady and that stacked lineup first
A coach that finished 8-1 and who beat the Pats 3 out of the last 4 times was fired... why?
He definitely was the victim of a power struggle, but I also wouldn't read too much into Miami's winning streak as evidence of an extraordinary coaching job. His team got to play this murderer's row of QBs during their streak:
Tyrod Taylor
Mike Glennon
Joe Flacco
Cam Newton
PJ Walker
Ian Book
It's reminiscent of when the Giants finished 7-9 in 2013 thanks to beating up on teams with backup QBs. The Dolphins' best win in the streak came against an injury-riddled Ravens team entering a late-season slump. When they finally went up against a playoff-level team in week 17, they got shellacked.
I'd also point to the revolving door on his staff (four offensive coordinators, two defensive coordinators, four offensive line coaches), some puzzling decisions (co-offensive coordinators, really?) dysfunctional relations with his QB, and that 1-7 start (haven't we had enough of those ourselves?) as red flags. Now, has he learned a bit of humility during this whole thing, enough to put on a better performance in his next gig? Possible. He'd definitely be an upgrade over what we've had, but I'll be curious to see what other candidates are available first.
Graham has worked with him for a number of years between New England and Miami and would provide great insight about him. And then the Giants also have Belichick on speed dial who would likely be a good resource as well.
If the Giants hire him for HC, I would assume that whatever went down in Miami would have been properly vetted prior to the decision.
I’m not skeptical at all.
Inclined to agree.