No lets not diminish everything BB has accomplished, even if it's well known Brady was a bigger reason they won those SB's.
And no, lets not diminish the good season Jones had, even if we all know any of the top QB's would have had success with this team and had the same performance he had tonight.
It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…
After this game you think Bill would sign up to coach a cash strapped, talent bereft roster with a meddling owner?
It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…
After this game you think Bill would sign up to coach a cash strapped, talent bereft roster with a meddling owner?
If he thinks he can reclaim the o-line, find guys on defense, and acquire a top QB? Plus Mara isn’t stupid enough to meddle if BB is running the ship
The prison rape the Bills are giving the Pats in this game
"Ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. You've all got a lot of growing up to do that's for sure. All of good mind to go to the warden about this. You know what hurts the most... well the second most after the other thing?... the lack of respect..."
This has to be incredible experience for Bills fans
Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
McDermott. They met at the middle of the field, touched hands, BB basically nodded and walked on past. At least that's what I saw. It was so quick it was easily missed.
Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Gettleman passed on Allen, but his former Assistant GM in Carolina, Brandon Beane, who was hired as the Bills GM in 2017, wasted no time drafting Allen in that 2018 draft.
Fortunately for Buffalo, they lucked out and got the real General Manager talent out of Carolina.
Josh Allen was clearly the player that was touched by the hand of God
Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
Gettleman missed on evaluating Eli, then proceeded to miss on evaluating Allen only to miss once again on evaluating Jones.
And this was all in about 15 months...impressive
RE: RE: RE: I've said it on more than one occasion on this board
Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
Gettleman missed on evaluating Eli, then proceeded to miss on evaluating Allen only to miss once again on evaluating Jones.
And this was all in about 15 months...impressive
Pretty much what happens when the franchise and it’s lap dog GM are stuck competing with Mike Ditka and the 1985 bears.
Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones
truely evaluated any of the quarterbacks in the 2018 class. He was convinced based on one game against Philadelphia that Eli could still function (and many on this Board agreed) when in the other 15 games Eli was awful. So he focused on the running back who was going to complete our offense. Then he refused to sign our only halfway decent offensive lineman Justin Pugh who'll be starting tomorrow for Arizona. And a clusterfuck of epic proportions was launched.
RE: RE: Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones
was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?
Great logic...
Are you saying qbs can’t progress from year two to year three? Allen was a great example of that. That’s not an outlandish take at all. Get over it already.
RE: The really sad part is I don't think Gettleman
truely evaluated any of the quarterbacks in the 2018 class. He was convinced based on one game against Philadelphia that Eli could still function (and many on this Board agreed) when in the other 15 games Eli was awful. So he focused on the running back who was going to complete our offense. Then he refused to sign our only halfway decent offensive lineman Justin Pugh who'll be starting tomorrow for Arizona. And a clusterfuck of epic proportions was launched.
Yep
RE: The really sad part is I don't think Gettleman
truely evaluated any of the quarterbacks in the 2018 class. He was convinced based on one game against Philadelphia that Eli could still function (and many on this Board agreed) when in the other 15 games Eli was awful. So he focused on the running back who was going to complete our offense. Then he refused to sign our only halfway decent offensive lineman Justin Pugh who'll be starting tomorrow for Arizona. And a clusterfuck of epic proportions was launched.
Yep. That about sums it up. Of course, many of those on this board who told us we were all stupid have since run for the hills under the cover of negativity of this board…
RE: RE: Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones
was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?
Great logic...
Are you saying qbs can’t progress from year two to year three? Allen was a great example of that. That’s not an outlandish take at all. Get over it already.
So perfect. Your ears must be burning.
Yeah, that’s the real crux of my post and those silly debates and comparisons to Allen...good lord
RE: RE: Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones
truely evaluated any of the quarterbacks in the 2018 class. He was convinced based on one game against Philadelphia that Eli could still function (and many on this Board agreed) when in the other 15 games Eli was awful. So he focused on the running back who was going to complete our offense. Then he refused to sign our only halfway decent offensive lineman Justin Pugh who'll be starting tomorrow for Arizona. And a clusterfuck of epic proportions was launched.
Not many teams would have been able to beat the Bills tonight.
Agree.. That offensive game plan was amazing. Almost as if they knew everything the Pats were going to do. Must be nice to have amazing coaches to game plan like that.. smh..
RE: I've said it on more than one occasion on this board
Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
It was said of both Allen and Lamarr Jackson that they had accuracy issues, but Allen was also described pre-draft as "the most NFL-ready."
Gettleman blew it. Big time. Hindsight or not, we had the #2 pick and took a running back.
after the Eli benching. Cut him or he was going to be the starting QB in 2018. He got shell-shocked with the blowback the first time and he chose the later imv.
People mention he heard what he wanted from Dave but the meeting with EA was "what should I do here?" imv. They went the direction they did but unless a PM/TB was in the draft they were not going that way.
Allen was not the most accurate. He also had a plate in his shoulder. So he was not the sure thing but word was Shurmer liked him. I liked him. I usually like size and arm talent but you could see he was a little all over with the ball.
Credit to him and those who worked with him. He really has grown. Really nice team they have. Still have to win three more to cash in. Not a easy task but certainly a team you can get behind.
That was a just a pure beat down by the Bills in all facets
of the game. Don't often watch Buffalo play but for one or two times a year, but very impressed with their roster talent. Some players that you have heard of but far from household names that were not only contributing, but sticking it to the Patriots on both sides of the ball.
Put me in the camp of hiring Joe Schoen without question.
in BUF was in a driving wind storm and the Patriots passed the ball three times all game.
The Bills knew the Patriots planned to run the ball but could not stop them. The Patriots rushed for over 200 yards (and had just 19 yards passing).
I expect more of the same today and a Patriots W.
Happy to be wrong on this....lol I use some reverse psychology on the Patriots in case people were not aware (though I did not expect anything this lopsided). Living up here in MA and not being a Pats fan can be brutal, especially when the Giants SB wins over the Pats are faded memories.
RE: RE: RE: Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones
was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?
Great logic...
Are you saying qbs can’t progress from year two to year three? Allen was a great example of that. That’s not an outlandish take at all. Get over it already.
So perfect. Your ears must be burning.
Yeah, that’s the real crux of my post and those silly debates and comparisons to Allen...good lord
Except no one ever necessarily compared jones to Allen as much as they said or hoped jones could develop in year 3 like so many qbs before him, Allen included, developed from year 2 to year 3.
Ears ringing? You guys talk this same shit on even fucking thread. I have no choice but to address it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones
was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?
Great logic...
Are you saying qbs can’t progress from year two to year three? Allen was a great example of that. That’s not an outlandish take at all. Get over it already.
So perfect. Your ears must be burning.
Yeah, that’s the real crux of my post and those silly debates and comparisons to Allen...good lord
Except no one ever necessarily compared jones to Allen as much as they said or hoped jones could develop in year 3 like so many qbs before him, Allen included, developed from year 2 to year 3.
Ears ringing? You guys talk this same shit on even fucking thread. I have no choice but to address it.
No one compared to Jones to Allen...are you joking? There were numerous threads/conversations as Jones defenders were grasping at anything they could to support their cause. Yes, plenty of conversation about Year 2 to 3 but a ton of conversations just comparing stats.
Salt on the wound.
At least he plays for Buffalo, and not Dallas, WFT, or Philly.
Jones: Speed - 85. Agility - 40
Allen: Speed - 82. Agility - 75
Jones is fast when he runs in a strait line. What he isn't is elusive and can scrambler.
Jones: Speed - 85. Agility - 40
Allen: Speed - 82. Agility - 75
Jones is fast when he runs in a strait line. What he isn't is elusive and can scrambler.
Jones runs like an idiot. Dives head first or stumbles like a goof (vs Eagles) or fumbles.
And no, lets not diminish the good season Jones had, even if we all know any of the top QB's would have had success with this team and had the same performance he had tonight.
Salt on the wound.
Part that hurts more is the Bills backup is better than any qb on the Giants current roster…
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wears blue and plays for a NY team.
Salt on the wound.
Part that hurts more is the Bills backup is better than any qb on the Giants current roster…
Former Giant Davis Webb might be better than any QB on the Giants roster.
Jones runs like an idiot. Dives head first or stumbles like a goof (vs Eagles) or fumbles.
That was very funny.
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wears blue and plays for a NY team.
Salt on the wound.
Part that hurts more is the Bills backup is better than any qb on the Giants current roster…
Former Giant Davis Webb might be better than any QB on the Giants roster.
You may be right and that hurts even more.
After this game you think Bill would sign up to coach a cash strapped, talent bereft roster with a meddling owner?
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It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…
After this game you think Bill would sign up to coach a cash strapped, talent bereft roster with a meddling owner?
If he thinks he can reclaim the o-line, find guys on defense, and acquire a top QB? Plus Mara isn’t stupid enough to meddle if BB is running the ship
"Ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. You've all got a lot of growing up to do that's for sure. All of good mind to go to the warden about this. You know what hurts the most... well the second most after the other thing?... the lack of respect..."
For sure. A defining victory if they go all the way. Like our destruction of the 49ers in 86.
Bills came ready to play. Pats had no chance.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
Lol amazing
Gettleman passed on Allen, but his former Assistant GM in Carolina, Brandon Beane, who was hired as the Bills GM in 2017, wasted no time drafting Allen in that 2018 draft.
Fortunately for Buffalo, they lucked out and got the real General Manager talent out of Carolina.
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Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
Gettleman missed on evaluating Eli, then proceeded to miss on evaluating Allen only to miss once again on evaluating Jones.
And this was all in about 15 months...impressive
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Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
Gettleman missed on evaluating Eli, then proceeded to miss on evaluating Allen only to miss once again on evaluating Jones.
And this was all in about 15 months...impressive
Pretty much what happens when the franchise and it’s lap dog GM are stuck competing with Mike Ditka and the 1985 bears.
Great logic...
It may not work out the same way, but I have to imagine in Buffalo this feels like Giants 49, 49ers 3.
Great logic...
I miss those people.
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was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?
Great logic...
I miss those people.
Ryan is still here...a few other defenders as well
Great logic...
Are you saying qbs can’t progress from year two to year three? Allen was a great example of that. That’s not an outlandish take at all. Get over it already.
Yep
Yep. That about sums it up. Of course, many of those on this board who told us we were all stupid have since run for the hills under the cover of negativity of this board…
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was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?
Great logic...
Are you saying qbs can’t progress from year two to year three? Allen was a great example of that. That’s not an outlandish take at all. Get over it already.
So perfect. Your ears must be burning.
Yeah, that’s the real crux of my post and those silly debates and comparisons to Allen...good lord
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was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?
Great logic...
I miss those people.
I don't.
Incredible. An NFL horror story.
Agree.. That offensive game plan was amazing. Almost as if they knew everything the Pats were going to do. Must be nice to have amazing coaches to game plan like that.. smh..
It was said of both Allen and Lamarr Jackson that they had accuracy issues, but Allen was also described pre-draft as "the most NFL-ready."
Gettleman blew it. Big time. Hindsight or not, we had the #2 pick and took a running back.
People mention he heard what he wanted from Dave but the meeting with EA was "what should I do here?" imv. They went the direction they did but unless a PM/TB was in the draft they were not going that way.
Allen was not the most accurate. He also had a plate in his shoulder. So he was not the sure thing but word was Shurmer liked him. I liked him. I usually like size and arm talent but you could see he was a little all over with the ball.
Credit to him and those who worked with him. He really has grown. Really nice team they have. Still have to win three more to cash in. Not a easy task but certainly a team you can get behind.
Put me in the camp of hiring Joe Schoen without question.
Belichick looked totally resigned to defeat last night while Allen looked totally dominant.
The Bills knew the Patriots planned to run the ball but could not stop them. The Patriots rushed for over 200 yards (and had just 19 yards passing).
I expect more of the same today and a Patriots W.
Happy to be wrong on this....lol I use some reverse psychology on the Patriots in case people were not aware (though I did not expect anything this lopsided). Living up here in MA and not being a Pats fan can be brutal, especially when the Giants SB wins over the Pats are faded memories.
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was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?
Great logic...
Are you saying qbs can’t progress from year two to year three? Allen was a great example of that. That’s not an outlandish take at all. Get over it already.
So perfect. Your ears must be burning.
Yeah, that’s the real crux of my post and those silly debates and comparisons to Allen...good lord
Except no one ever necessarily compared jones to Allen as much as they said or hoped jones could develop in year 3 like so many qbs before him, Allen included, developed from year 2 to year 3.
Ears ringing? You guys talk this same shit on even fucking thread. I have no choice but to address it.
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In comment 15555035 Jimmy Googs said:
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was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?
Great logic...
Are you saying qbs can’t progress from year two to year three? Allen was a great example of that. That’s not an outlandish take at all. Get over it already.
So perfect. Your ears must be burning.
Yeah, that’s the real crux of my post and those silly debates and comparisons to Allen...good lord
Except no one ever necessarily compared jones to Allen as much as they said or hoped jones could develop in year 3 like so many qbs before him, Allen included, developed from year 2 to year 3.
Ears ringing? You guys talk this same shit on even fucking thread. I have no choice but to address it.
No one compared to Jones to Allen...are you joking? There were numerous threads/conversations as Jones defenders were grasping at anything they could to support their cause. Yes, plenty of conversation about Year 2 to 3 but a ton of conversations just comparing stats.
come on, man...
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