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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/15/2022 10:05 am
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lax counsel : 1/15/2022 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15554909 shadow_spinner0 said:
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I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.

Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?


Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.
BB doesn't get blown out in the playoffs often  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/15/2022 10:14 pm : link
Only other time I think was 2009 when he lost 33-14 to the Ravens.
RE: ...  
Producer : 1/15/2022 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15554909 shadow_spinner0 said:
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I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.

Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?


What makes you think we don't appreciate it. That's all we've been gushing about.

Maybe *you* didn't appreciate it, until tonight.

None of us thinks Daniel Jones is an NFL quarterback, much less, the guy who will step in for Josh Allen and be good.
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bw in dc : 1/15/2022 10:17 pm : link
In comment 15554909 shadow_spinner0 said:
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I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.



It's unique. Daboll really deserves credit for working on Allen's mechanics and understanding the game. Along with Jordan Palmer and Ken Dorsey.

Allen's skills are so good he can run ANY offense.
Can't even imagine if we drafted Allen rather than Barkley.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/15/2022 10:17 pm : link
That one stings.
Even more disappointing  
Ron Johnson : 1/15/2022 10:18 pm : link
For Little Bill is that he whiffeyon Mac Jones.
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Producer : 1/15/2022 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15554915 lax counsel said:
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I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.

Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?



Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.


Why can't they afford to miss? We're already in the shitter. Just pick another guy the next year. They must get an elite QB by any means necessary.
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lax counsel : 1/15/2022 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15554921 bw in dc said:
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I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.





It's unique. Daboll really deserves credit for working on Allen's mechanics and understanding the game. Along with Jordan Palmer and Ken Dorsey.

Allen's skills are so good he can run ANY offense.


Spot on bw, spot on.
Whiffed on  
Ron Johnson : 1/15/2022 10:18 pm : link
Mac Jones
When in doubt...  
bw in dc : 1/15/2022 10:19 pm : link
draft the QB with exemplary physical skills.
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lax counsel : 1/15/2022 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15554924 Producer said:
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I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.

Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?



Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.



Why can't they afford to miss? We're already in the shitter. Just pick another guy the next year. They must get an elite QB by any means necessary.


At this point, if they miss again are we looking at a browns/lions/Jets type dry spell? I don’t know at this point?
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Producer : 1/15/2022 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15554930 lax counsel said:
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I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.

Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?



Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.



Why can't they afford to miss? We're already in the shitter. Just pick another guy the next year. They must get an elite QB by any means necessary.



At this point, if they miss again are we looking at a browns/lions/Jets type dry spell? I don’t know at this point?

Only if we insist on giving a young QB three years when he hasn't earned it.

The Giants knew Herbert is great. We should have taken him. Then our QB situation would have been solved.
The dildo on the field was a nice  
bubba0825 : 1/15/2022 10:23 pm : link
Touch
RE: RE: Makes me hopeful for the Giants  
UConn4523 : 1/15/2022 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15554908 lax counsel said:
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When they find their Josh Allen, agree.


Was in reference to the Pats blowing ass.
RE: RE: RE: Makes me hopeful for the Giants  
lax counsel : 1/15/2022 10:25 pm : link
In comment 15554938 UConn4523 said:
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When they find their Josh Allen, agree.



Was in reference to the Pats blowing ass.


Missed that pint, my bad, but yes that as well. At this point BB is gonna head for the nearest exit.
The sequel  
bubba0825 : 1/15/2022 10:25 pm : link
The return of the dildo
Link - ( New Window )
......  
Route 9 : 1/15/2022 10:30 pm : link
LOL. Daniel Jones and the Giants are complete garbage compared to Allen and the Bills. Why are we even bothering? They're not even in the same galaxy.
The way this game is going  
Mkdaman1818 : 1/15/2022 10:32 pm : link
It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…
RE: The way this game is going  
UConn4523 : 1/15/2022 10:34 pm : link
In comment 15554945 Mkdaman1818 said:
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It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…


He doesn’t have 1 elite player on offense and arguably on defense either. Granted he’s the GM so that’s on him too but I don’t think this is a coaching issue. This pats team is one of the least talented teams in the playoffs. I’m guessing they are under .500 without Belichick.
Josh Allen...  
bw in dc : 1/15/2022 10:38 pm : link
wears blue and plays for a NY team.

Salt on the wound.
RE: RE: The way this game is going  
Mkdaman1818 : 1/15/2022 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15554947 UConn4523 said:
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It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…



He doesn’t have 1 elite player on offense and arguably on defense either. Granted he’s the GM so that’s on him too but I don’t think this is a coaching issue. This pats team is one of the least talented teams in the playoffs. I’m guessing they are under .500 without Belichick.


It’s not a coaching issue at all, but I’m not sure they want to let McDaniels get away, and he’s not gonna wait around forever. Feel like one of the two will leave and it’s not impossible to think the Pats would choose the younger guy who they basically promised the throne to a few years ago…
RE: Josh Allen...  
Producer : 1/15/2022 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15554950 bw in dc said:
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wears blue and plays for a NY team.

Salt on the wound.


At least he plays for Buffalo, and not Dallas, WFT, or Philly.
I know it's annoying for Jones/Allen comparison but here's a point  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/15/2022 10:40 pm : link
Madden attributes:
Jones: Speed - 85. Agility - 40

Allen: Speed - 82. Agility - 75

Jones is fast when he runs in a strait line. What he isn't is elusive and can scrambler.
RE: I know it's annoying for Jones/Allen comparison but here's a point  
Route 9 : 1/15/2022 10:41 pm : link
In comment 15554953 shadow_spinner0 said:
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Madden attributes:
Jones: Speed - 85. Agility - 40

Allen: Speed - 82. Agility - 75

Jones is fast when he runs in a strait line. What he isn't is elusive and can scrambler.


Jones runs like an idiot. Dives head first or stumbles like a goof (vs Eagles) or fumbles.
Mac Jones nd BB truthers with a big grin  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/15/2022 10:43 pm : link
No lets not diminish everything BB has accomplished, even if it's well known Brady was a bigger reason they won those SB's.
And no, lets not diminish the good season Jones had, even if we all know any of the top QB's would have had success with this team and had the same performance he had tonight.
RE: Josh Allen...  
lax counsel : 1/15/2022 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15554950 bw in dc said:
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wears blue and plays for a NY team.

Salt on the wound.


Part that hurts more is the Bills backup is better than any qb on the Giants current roster…
RE: RE: Josh Allen...  
AcidTest : 1/15/2022 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15554962 lax counsel said:
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wears blue and plays for a NY team.

Salt on the wound.



Part that hurts more is the Bills backup is better than any qb on the Giants current roster…


Former Giant Davis Webb might be better than any QB on the Giants roster.
Would this be the most points a BB defense has ever given up  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/15/2022 10:49 pm : link
in the playoffs? Eagles scored 41 in that SB.
RE: RE: I know it's annoying for Jones/Allen comparison but here's a point  
bw in dc : 1/15/2022 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15554957 Route 9 said:
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Jones runs like an idiot. Dives head first or stumbles like a goof (vs Eagles) or fumbles.


That was very funny.
The Bills punter...  
bw in dc : 1/15/2022 10:50 pm : link
may be the coldest player in the stadium.
Josh Allen's QBR...  
bw in dc : 1/15/2022 10:51 pm : link
might be 100 tonight.
RE: RE: RE: Josh Allen...  
lax counsel : 1/15/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15554964 AcidTest said:
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wears blue and plays for a NY team.

Salt on the wound.



Part that hurts more is the Bills backup is better than any qb on the Giants current roster…



Former Giant Davis Webb might be better than any QB on the Giants roster.


You may be right and that hurts even more.
RE: The way this game is going  
Ned In Atlanta : 1/15/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15554945 Mkdaman1818 said:
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It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…


After this game you think Bill would sign up to coach a cash strapped, talent bereft roster with a meddling owner?
I am truly enjoying  
montanagiant : 1/15/2022 10:59 pm : link
The prison rape the Bills are giving the Pats in this game
RE: RE: The way this game is going  
Mkdaman1818 : 1/15/2022 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15554977 Ned In Atlanta said:
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It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…



After this game you think Bill would sign up to coach a cash strapped, talent bereft roster with a meddling owner?


If he thinks he can reclaim the o-line, find guys on defense, and acquire a top QB? Plus Mara isn’t stupid enough to meddle if BB is running the ship
RE: I am truly enjoying  
jnoble : 1/15/2022 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15554986 montanagiant said:
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The prison rape the Bills are giving the Pats in this game

"Ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. You've all got a lot of growing up to do that's for sure. All of good mind to go to the warden about this. You know what hurts the most... well the second most after the other thing?... the lack of respect..."
This has to be incredible experience for Bills fans  
Greg from LI : 1/15/2022 11:02 pm : link
Not just beating the Patriots in the playoffs, but beating them like this? The team that has tormented them for two decades?
RE: This has to be incredible experience for Bills fans  
Producer : 1/15/2022 11:05 pm : link
In comment 15554991 Greg from LI said:
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Not just beating the Patriots in the playoffs, but beating them like this? The team that has tormented them for two decades?


For sure. A defining victory if they go all the way. Like our destruction of the 49ers in 86.
I've said it on more than one occasion on this board  
GeofromNJ : 1/15/2022 11:08 pm : link
Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
5 TDs, 4 incompletions  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/15/2022 11:12 pm : link
Just a massive performance by Allen.

Bills came ready to play. Pats had no chance.
RE: I've said it on more than one occasion on this board  
section125 : 1/15/2022 11:13 pm : link
In comment 15555002 GeofromNJ said:
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Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.


Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
Anyone take note that BB virtually snubbed  
ColHowPepper : 1/15/2022 11:18 pm : link
McDermott. They met at the middle of the field, touched hands, BB basically nodded and walked on past. At least that's what I saw. It was so quick it was easily missed.
I’ll take solace  
djm : 1/15/2022 11:19 pm : link
Knowing there is a legion of Boston pats fans out there that came crashing down to earth tonight. The pats best player is the HC.
RE: The sequel  
djm : 1/15/2022 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15554940 bubba0825 said:
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The return of the dildo Link - ( New Window )


Lol amazing
RE: I've said it on more than one occasion on this board  
bw in dc : 1/15/2022 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15555002 GeofromNJ said:
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Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.


Gettleman passed on Allen, but his former Assistant GM in Carolina, Brandon Beane, who was hired as the Bills GM in 2017, wasted no time drafting Allen in that 2018 draft.

Fortunately for Buffalo, they lucked out and got the real General Manager talent out of Carolina.

Josh Allen was clearly the player that was touched by the hand of God  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/15/2022 11:25 pm : link
in that draft.
RE: RE: I've said it on more than one occasion on this board  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15555009 section125 said:
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Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.



Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.


Gettleman missed on evaluating Eli, then proceeded to miss on evaluating Allen only to miss once again on evaluating Jones.

And this was all in about 15 months...impressive
RE: RE: RE: I've said it on more than one occasion on this board  
lax counsel : 1/15/2022 11:30 pm : link
In comment 15555028 Jimmy Googs said:
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Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.



Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.



Gettleman missed on evaluating Eli, then proceeded to miss on evaluating Allen only to miss once again on evaluating Jones.

And this was all in about 15 months...impressive



Pretty much what happens when the franchise and it’s lap dog GM are stuck competing with Mike Ditka and the 1985 bears.
Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 11:34 pm : link
was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?

Great logic...
RE: This has to be incredible experience for Bills fans  
rsjem1979 : 1/15/2022 11:47 pm : link
In comment 15554991 Greg from LI said:
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Not just beating the Patriots in the playoffs, but beating them like this? The team that has tormented them for two decades?


It may not work out the same way, but I have to imagine in Buffalo this feels like Giants 49, 49ers 3.
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