I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.
Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?
Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.
I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.
Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?
What makes you think we don't appreciate it. That's all we've been gushing about.
Maybe *you* didn't appreciate it, until tonight.
None of us thinks Daniel Jones is an NFL quarterback, much less, the guy who will step in for Josh Allen and be good.
I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.
Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?
Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.
Why can't they afford to miss? We're already in the shitter. Just pick another guy the next year. They must get an elite QB by any means necessary.
I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.
Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?
Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.
Why can't they afford to miss? We're already in the shitter. Just pick another guy the next year. They must get an elite QB by any means necessary.
At this point, if they miss again are we looking at a browns/lions/Jets type dry spell? I don’t know at this point?
I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.
Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?
Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.
Why can't they afford to miss? We're already in the shitter. Just pick another guy the next year. They must get an elite QB by any means necessary.
At this point, if they miss again are we looking at a browns/lions/Jets type dry spell? I don’t know at this point?
Only if we insist on giving a young QB three years when he hasn't earned it.
The Giants knew Herbert is great. We should have taken him. Then our QB situation would have been solved.
It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…
It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…
He doesn’t have 1 elite player on offense and arguably on defense either. Granted he’s the GM so that’s on him too but I don’t think this is a coaching issue. This pats team is one of the least talented teams in the playoffs. I’m guessing they are under .500 without Belichick.
It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…
He doesn’t have 1 elite player on offense and arguably on defense either. Granted he’s the GM so that’s on him too but I don’t think this is a coaching issue. This pats team is one of the least talented teams in the playoffs. I’m guessing they are under .500 without Belichick.
It’s not a coaching issue at all, but I’m not sure they want to let McDaniels get away, and he’s not gonna wait around forever. Feel like one of the two will leave and it’s not impossible to think the Pats would choose the younger guy who they basically promised the throne to a few years ago…
No lets not diminish everything BB has accomplished, even if it's well known Brady was a bigger reason they won those SB's.
And no, lets not diminish the good season Jones had, even if we all know any of the top QB's would have had success with this team and had the same performance he had tonight.
It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…
After this game you think Bill would sign up to coach a cash strapped, talent bereft roster with a meddling owner?
It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…
After this game you think Bill would sign up to coach a cash strapped, talent bereft roster with a meddling owner?
If he thinks he can reclaim the o-line, find guys on defense, and acquire a top QB? Plus Mara isn’t stupid enough to meddle if BB is running the ship
The prison rape the Bills are giving the Pats in this game
"Ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. You've all got a lot of growing up to do that's for sure. All of good mind to go to the warden about this. You know what hurts the most... well the second most after the other thing?... the lack of respect..."
This has to be incredible experience for Bills fans
Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
McDermott. They met at the middle of the field, touched hands, BB basically nodded and walked on past. At least that's what I saw. It was so quick it was easily missed.
Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Gettleman passed on Allen, but his former Assistant GM in Carolina, Brandon Beane, who was hired as the Bills GM in 2017, wasted no time drafting Allen in that 2018 draft.
Fortunately for Buffalo, they lucked out and got the real General Manager talent out of Carolina.
Josh Allen was clearly the player that was touched by the hand of God
Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
Gettleman missed on evaluating Eli, then proceeded to miss on evaluating Allen only to miss once again on evaluating Jones.
And this was all in about 15 months...impressive
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Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
Gettleman missed on evaluating Eli, then proceeded to miss on evaluating Allen only to miss once again on evaluating Jones.
And this was all in about 15 months...impressive
Pretty much what happens when the franchise and it’s lap dog GM are stuck competing with Mike Ditka and the 1985 bears.
Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones
Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?
Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.
Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?
What makes you think we don't appreciate it. That's all we've been gushing about.
Maybe *you* didn't appreciate it, until tonight.
None of us thinks Daniel Jones is an NFL quarterback, much less, the guy who will step in for Josh Allen and be good.
It's unique. Daboll really deserves credit for working on Allen's mechanics and understanding the game. Along with Jordan Palmer and Ken Dorsey.
Allen's skills are so good he can run ANY offense.
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I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.
Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?
Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.
Why can't they afford to miss? We're already in the shitter. Just pick another guy the next year. They must get an elite QB by any means necessary.
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I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.
It's unique. Daboll really deserves credit for working on Allen's mechanics and understanding the game. Along with Jordan Palmer and Ken Dorsey.
Allen's skills are so good he can run ANY offense.
Spot on bw, spot on.
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I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.
Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?
Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.
Why can't they afford to miss? We're already in the shitter. Just pick another guy the next year. They must get an elite QB by any means necessary.
At this point, if they miss again are we looking at a browns/lions/Jets type dry spell? I don’t know at this point?
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I really don't think people appreciate just how special Josh Allen is from an athletic standpoint.
Daniel Jones can run fast in a straight line if you give him 10 yards to accelerate, but he doesn't make people miss and he's not throwing on the run. Would Jones do well in Daboll's offense? Or bit the bullet and draft Pickett or Corral?
Either might be it, but they better be damn sure they Pickett or Corral isn’t Allen or Herbert, because they can’t afford to miss on another talented qb.
Why can't they afford to miss? We're already in the shitter. Just pick another guy the next year. They must get an elite QB by any means necessary.
At this point, if they miss again are we looking at a browns/lions/Jets type dry spell? I don’t know at this point?
Only if we insist on giving a young QB three years when he hasn't earned it.
The Giants knew Herbert is great. We should have taken him. Then our QB situation would have been solved.
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When they find their Josh Allen, agree.
Was in reference to the Pats blowing ass.
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When they find their Josh Allen, agree.
Was in reference to the Pats blowing ass.
Missed that pint, my bad, but yes that as well. At this point BB is gonna head for the nearest exit.
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He doesn’t have 1 elite player on offense and arguably on defense either. Granted he’s the GM so that’s on him too but I don’t think this is a coaching issue. This pats team is one of the least talented teams in the playoffs. I’m guessing they are under .500 without Belichick.
Salt on the wound.
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It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…
He doesn’t have 1 elite player on offense and arguably on defense either. Granted he’s the GM so that’s on him too but I don’t think this is a coaching issue. This pats team is one of the least talented teams in the playoffs. I’m guessing they are under .500 without Belichick.
It’s not a coaching issue at all, but I’m not sure they want to let McDaniels get away, and he’s not gonna wait around forever. Feel like one of the two will leave and it’s not impossible to think the Pats would choose the younger guy who they basically promised the throne to a few years ago…
Salt on the wound.
At least he plays for Buffalo, and not Dallas, WFT, or Philly.
Jones: Speed - 85. Agility - 40
Allen: Speed - 82. Agility - 75
Jones is fast when he runs in a strait line. What he isn't is elusive and can scrambler.
Jones: Speed - 85. Agility - 40
Allen: Speed - 82. Agility - 75
Jones is fast when he runs in a strait line. What he isn't is elusive and can scrambler.
Jones runs like an idiot. Dives head first or stumbles like a goof (vs Eagles) or fumbles.
And no, lets not diminish the good season Jones had, even if we all know any of the top QB's would have had success with this team and had the same performance he had tonight.
Salt on the wound.
Part that hurts more is the Bills backup is better than any qb on the Giants current roster…
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Salt on the wound.
Part that hurts more is the Bills backup is better than any qb on the Giants current roster…
Former Giant Davis Webb might be better than any QB on the Giants roster.
Jones runs like an idiot. Dives head first or stumbles like a goof (vs Eagles) or fumbles.
That was very funny.
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wears blue and plays for a NY team.
Salt on the wound.
Part that hurts more is the Bills backup is better than any qb on the Giants current roster…
Former Giant Davis Webb might be better than any QB on the Giants roster.
You may be right and that hurts even more.
After this game you think Bill would sign up to coach a cash strapped, talent bereft roster with a meddling owner?
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It might be time for Bill to step aside and McDaniels to take over, especially if Josh is going to get interest again in this cycle. If that’s the case, I wonder if we would be interested in Bill…
After this game you think Bill would sign up to coach a cash strapped, talent bereft roster with a meddling owner?
If he thinks he can reclaim the o-line, find guys on defense, and acquire a top QB? Plus Mara isn’t stupid enough to meddle if BB is running the ship
"Ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. You've all got a lot of growing up to do that's for sure. All of good mind to go to the warden about this. You know what hurts the most... well the second most after the other thing?... the lack of respect..."
For sure. A defining victory if they go all the way. Like our destruction of the 49ers in 86.
Bills came ready to play. Pats had no chance.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
Lol amazing
Gettleman passed on Allen, but his former Assistant GM in Carolina, Brandon Beane, who was hired as the Bills GM in 2017, wasted no time drafting Allen in that 2018 draft.
Fortunately for Buffalo, they lucked out and got the real General Manager talent out of Carolina.
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Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
Gettleman missed on evaluating Eli, then proceeded to miss on evaluating Allen only to miss once again on evaluating Jones.
And this was all in about 15 months...impressive
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Evidence that Gettleman was totally unfit to be GM is the fact that he passed on Allen and drafted Barkley. Allen would be wearing Giants blue if Gettleman knew his ass from a hole in the ground. The claim that Allen had accuracy issues and therefore should not be drafted high was ludicrous.
Hindsight warrior...he was inaccurate. The bigger problem was with the teams that really needed a QB and went elsewhere.
Gettleman missed on evaluating Eli, then proceeded to miss on evaluating Allen only to miss once again on evaluating Jones.
And this was all in about 15 months...impressive
Pretty much what happens when the franchise and it’s lap dog GM are stuck competing with Mike Ditka and the 1985 bears.
Great logic...
It may not work out the same way, but I have to imagine in Buffalo this feels like Giants 49, 49ers 3.