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adamg : 1/15/2022 12:08 pm
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looking good  
Del Shofner : 1/15/2022 10:31 pm : link
- this starting unit may stay in place for a while
Lakers getting blown out by 21  
nygiants16 : 1/15/2022 10:42 pm : link
Lebron looks fed up
RE: Lakers getting blown out by 21  
TommyWiseau : 1/15/2022 10:54 pm : link
In comment 15554958 nygiants16 said:
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Lebron looks fed up


Guy is a crybaby. He put this team together, he is to blame
Nice to wake up after a win  
nygiants16 : 1/16/2022 9:13 am : link
Rj, Randle, Burks, Fournier and Mitch all made big contributions in the clutch last night to cloae out. Easily could of gave that game away but the settled down and closed it..

Bench needs a shake up, missing Rose is hurting them obvioisly but Quick has been off and Toppin has done nothing..

I really think Reddish will come in and take Toppin's minutes and the back up wing minutes..

Knicks still need a point guard but this starting lineup is really finding a groove
RE: Nice to wake up after a win  
larryflower37 : 1/16/2022 10:38 am : link
In comment 15555185 nygiants16 said:
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Rj, Randle, Burks, Fournier and Mitch all made big contributions in the clutch last night to cloae out. Easily could of gave that game away but the settled down and closed it..

Bench needs a shake up, missing Rose is hurting them obvioisly but Quick has been off and Toppin has done nothing..

I really think Reddish will come in and take Toppin's minutes and the back up wing minutes..

Knicks still need a point guard but this starting lineup is really finding a groove

Hopefully Kemba and Rose can get healthy and play through the playoff run.
I would be surprised if they can deal for a serviceable pg.
It's funny expanding the playoffs have keep a lot of teams in it longer and are not giving up on their seasons like they use to.
Jalen Brunson  
PhilSimms15 : 1/16/2022 11:09 am : link
Would be an awesome pickup for the Knicks. Guy has excellent court vision, is a good defender, a good leader and his age fits the Knicks timeframe much better than Rose or Kemba.

His main drawback is that he’s not a great shooter.

Why might Dallas trade him? They still have not signed him to his extension.

Brunson would not come cheaply but would you deal Obi or Grimes, Deuce and return Dallas’ 2023 first round pick? Dallas would need to add another salary to get a match.
Brunson  
nygiants16 : 1/16/2022 11:18 am : link
shoots 50% from the field 55% from 2 and 35% from 3 thisbyear, was 40% last year..

What do you mean he is not a good shooter?
Actually nygiants  
PhilSimms15 : 1/16/2022 11:23 am : link
He is a good shooter. Was looking at lifetime at 49% from the floor and 36.7% from three. So maybe I was too negative.

Makes me love him for the Knicks even more.

Jalen’s Dad Rick Brunson, was Leon Rose’s first client I think and Thibs was close to Rick when he played for the Knicks.
Brunson can shoot  
larryflower37 : 1/16/2022 11:24 am : link
he just doesn't take a lot of 3's.
If you trade for him are you ready to commit to him with starter money?
Dallas needs wings and center, Dallas back is against the wall Brunson is walking next year and getting starter money.
I would hold out for just the first and maybe Noel. Would hate to give up Grimes/Mcbride etc.
RE: Actually nygiants  
nygiants16 : 1/16/2022 11:35 am : link
In comment 15555379 PhilSimms15 said:
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He is a good shooter. Was looking at lifetime at 49% from the floor and 36.7% from three. So maybe I was too negative.

Makes me love him for the Knicks even more.

Jalen’s Dad Rick Brunson, was Leon Rose’s first client I think and Thibs was close to Rick when he played for the Knicks.


I think the biggest knock would be is that he is small, so he could be tsken advantage of defensively..

1 kther thing is he rarely runs the team by himself, he is mainky playing with Luka
He won’t make a difference one way or the ither  
Carl in CT : 1/16/2022 4:03 pm : link
I wouldn’t waste anything major as he is only a rental for Dallas (the won’t sign him) I’m looking to make moves for more impact players.
Now I have to take something back  
Carl in CT : 1/16/2022 4:05 pm : link
His assist to turnover ratio is exceptional.
Brunson  
five5 : 1/16/2022 4:09 pm : link
People on this board are underrating him. He was terrific w/o Doncic. I am not comparing him to Morant but he outplayed him the other day. He would be a solid addition and their best PG by a significant margin.
RE: RJ might be turning into the #1 option  
Mike from SI : 1/16/2022 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15554885 dpinzow said:
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Another very strong game from him, 26 points


We should do this. He is the future, not Randle.
Agreed on RJ as the #1 option  
adamg : 1/16/2022 4:19 pm : link
Been on that train for a while. He's the only one who should be getting 20 shots every night. Randle needs to do exactly what 16's been saying. Take a back seat, distribute, and not force (15+) shots every night.
I would trade Obi and the DAL first for Brunson  
adamg : 1/16/2022 4:20 pm : link
Can't imagine they have much leverage to ask for mush more.
Rick Brunson now coaches Camden High School in NJ,  
Del Shofner : 1/16/2022 4:32 pm : link
which is a highly ranked HS team.
RE: I would trade Obi and the DAL first for Brunson  
larryflower37 : 1/16/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15555904 adamg said:
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Can't imagine they have much leverage to ask for mush more.

Obi is steep for Brunson. He is a straight up rental and someone Dallas can't afford to give 15-20 million per to.
The writing is on the wall also no need for a salary match he is making 1.8 million this year.
I would think a first gets it done.
With Rj  
nygiants16 : 1/16/2022 4:45 pm : link
he is getting into that territory where scoring 20 is easy for him..
if Brunson is about to become a free agent,  
Del Shofner : 1/16/2022 4:50 pm : link
are we able to afford a new contract with him? Or would we have to trade away a bunch of salary to do so?
RE: if Brunson is about to become a free agent,  
nygiants16 : 1/16/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15555974 Del Shofner said:
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are we able to afford a new contract with him? Or would we have to trade away a bunch of salary to do so?


you can either get him now and not have to match a bunch of salary or wait til offseaaon and send out around 15 to 18 million..

trading for him now makes a lot of sense
Holliger PER FOR HIM IS  
Carl in CT : 1/16/2022 5:10 pm : link
#9 among all PG. a lot higher than Fox and right behind dame.
RE: RE: I would trade Obi and the DAL first for Brunson  
adamg : 1/16/2022 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15555943 larryflower37 said:
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Can't imagine they have much leverage to ask for mush more.


Obi is steep for Brunson. He is a straight up rental and someone Dallas can't afford to give 15-20 million per to.
The writing is on the wall also no need for a salary match he is making 1.8 million this year.
I would think a first gets it done.


DAL first for Brunson would be so poetic and awesome. Do it Leon!
Brunson won’t come cheap  
PhilSimms15 : 1/16/2022 7:01 pm : link
As nothing is precluding Dallas from paying him. And from the Knicks perspective trading for him instead of waiting until he is a FA ensures that the Knicks get his bird rights. That’s really crucial since the Knicks won’t have any cap space until 2023 at the earliest.

Obi + the Dallas one might get it done and then the Knicks would have a young core that can grow together.

Brunson would be the Knicks best PG since Jason Kidd for one year or Charlie Ward for a career.
RE: Brunson won’t come cheap  
adamg : 1/16/2022 7:16 pm : link
In comment 15556283 PhilSimms15 said:
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As nothing is precluding Dallas from paying him. And from the Knicks perspective trading for him instead of waiting until he is a FA ensures that the Knicks get his bird rights. That’s really crucial since the Knicks won’t have any cap space until 2023 at the earliest.

Obi + the Dallas one might get it done and then the Knicks would have a young core that can grow together.

Brunson would be the Knicks best PG since Jason Kidd for one year or Charlie Ward for a career.


Brunson is a UFA. They have a lot of reason to trade him.
i am sure Brunsons agent  
nygiants16 : 1/16/2022 7:23 pm : link
has basically said trad ehim or pay him..

and i believe he is CAA so Rose has the inside track
Cam speaks to the Post -  
Del Shofner : 1/16/2022 8:59 pm : link
nothing particularly substantive but here it is.
Link - ( New Window )
tweet tweet  
adamg : 1/16/2022 9:44 pm : link
Vivek
@vdadhania
Fun fact - of Randle's 9 assists, 7 were sent to people defended by Trae Young. One of the remaining two was Collins....

Didn't realize Collins is such a crap defender  
adamg : 1/16/2022 9:48 pm : link
What a waste
Watching Knicks fan tv  
nygiants16 : 1/16/2022 10:16 pm : link
They were saying Windhorst said that when Cam requested the trsde they didnt see Knicks as an option looking at the roster and seeing the log jam..

Knicks traded for him anyway and they are speculating that Knicks promised him a certain amount of minutes..
They meaning Cam and his agent  
nygiants16 : 1/16/2022 10:17 pm : link
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RE: They meaning Cam and his agent  
adamg : 1/16/2022 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15557047 nygiants16 said:
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Obi out of the rotation then, huh?
Cam will get minutes probably  
larryflower37 : 1/16/2022 10:54 pm : link
cutting into Fournier, Burks, and Grimes.
Knicks made the trade to see if they can develop him into an all-star.
Burks is 30 years old and Fournier is 29 they are what they will be both will probably be shopped at the deadline.
Cam has shown flashes and the Knicks have done a good job with development, the hawks buried him.
Knicks need to find out if he is the 3-D wing they need and he needs minutes.
RE: Cam will get minutes probably  
Stu11 : 1/17/2022 2:35 am : link
In comment 15557106 larryflower37 said:
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cutting into Fournier, Burks, and Grimes.
Knicks made the trade to see if they can develop him into an all-star.
Burks is 30 years old and Fournier is 29 they are what they will be both will probably be shopped at the deadline.
Cam has shown flashes and the Knicks have done a good job with development, the hawks buried him.
Knicks need to find out if he is the 3-D wing they need and he needs minutes.

I doubt they are in a hurry to deal Burks like some of you think they are. He's a great vet influence and his versatility is very valuable. He's a good 4th quarter guy who takes and makes big shots. He's signed very affordably for a few years. Sure they wanna develop young players, but Thibs wants to win too. Fournier I could see because Ng traded in the right deal.
RE: RE: Cam will get minutes probably  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 8:13 am : link
In comment 15557201 Stu11 said:
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cutting into Fournier, Burks, and Grimes.
Knicks made the trade to see if they can develop him into an all-star.
Burks is 30 years old and Fournier is 29 they are what they will be both will probably be shopped at the deadline.
Cam has shown flashes and the Knicks have done a good job with development, the hawks buried him.
Knicks need to find out if he is the 3-D wing they need and he needs minutes.


I doubt they are in a hurry to deal Burks like some of you think they are. He's a great vet influence and his versatility is very valuable. He's a good 4th quarter guy who takes and makes big shots. He's signed very affordably for a few years. Sure they wanna develop young players, but Thibs wants to win too. Fournier I could see because Ng traded in the right deal.


I dont think Burks will be dealt either unless they need his salary in a big deal, otherwise they arent just trading him for an asset
Reports  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 8:29 am : link
Pacers want 2 firsts or a young player and a first for turner
Turner  
five5 : 1/17/2022 8:37 am : link
Hard pass. He should be Rudy Gobert with an offensive game. One of the most overrated players in the league. Huge mistake and waste of assets if they pursue this guy.
I've read a number of posts here and on ultimateknicks.com that  
Ira : 1/17/2022 8:43 am : link
suggest Reddish is a good defensive player. His +/- overall for 2020 was one of the lowest for a small forward - especially on the defensive end.
RE: I've read a number of posts here and on ultimateknicks.com that  
BigBlueShock : 1/17/2022 8:46 am : link
In comment 15557330 Ira said:
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suggest Reddish is a good defensive player. His +/- overall for 2020 was one of the lowest for a small forward - especially on the defensive end.

Reddish is the exact opposite of a good defender. If that’s what people are expecting they are going to be very disappointed
RE: I've read a number of posts here and on ultimateknicks.com that  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 8:49 am : link
In comment 15557330 Ira said:
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suggest Reddish is a good defensive player. His +/- overall for 2020 was one of the lowest for a small forward - especially on the defensive end.


I think his defense is more potential, but +- is a flawed stat and he played like 26 games last year
Looking at this roster  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 9:14 am : link
There has to be another move coming, there are to many players that deserve minutes..

There is no way you can wait until the offseason, It has been well known that Cam wants the minutes, you didnt trade for him to sit him and get a disgruntled player who is repped by klutch..

Kemba/Quick
Fournier/Burks
Rj/Grimes
Randle/reddish/toppin
Mitch/noel

Its to many players, Knicks have played better with a 9 man rotation..

RE: Reports  
Mike in NJ : 1/17/2022 9:17 am : link
In comment 15557310 nygiants16 said:
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Pacers want 2 firsts or a young player and a first for turner


Honestly that’s not a ridiculous ask for him. We just got Cam Reddish for a young player (a shitty your player at that) and a first. Usually the rumored asking price is higher than what the team ultimately gets so if we ended up having to give up Grimes and a heavily protected draft pick for Turner, would anyone be all that upset?
RE: RE: Reports  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 9:18 am : link
In comment 15557392 Mike in NJ said:
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Pacers want 2 firsts or a young player and a first for turner



Honestly that’s not a ridiculous ask for him. We just got Cam Reddish for a young player (a shitty your player at that) and a first. Usually the rumored asking price is higher than what the team ultimately gets so if we ended up having to give up Grimes and a heavily protected draft pick for Turner, would anyone be all that upset?


i am not giving up Grimes for Turner..

Id offer Mitch, Kemba and obi and dall 1st for Turner
Just thought of something  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 9:29 am : link
Who else is represented by Klutch?? Ben Simmons, maybe the trade for Reddish was a favor, an olive branch from Rose to Klutch
RE: RE: RE: Reports  
Mike in NJ : 1/17/2022 9:30 am : link
In comment 15557394 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15557310 nygiants16 said:


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Pacers want 2 firsts or a young player and a first for turner



Honestly that’s not a ridiculous ask for him. We just got Cam Reddish for a young player (a shitty your player at that) and a first. Usually the rumored asking price is higher than what the team ultimately gets so if we ended up having to give up Grimes and a heavily protected draft pick for Turner, would anyone be all that upset?



i am not giving up Grimes for Turner..

Id offer Mitch, Kemba and obi and dall 1st for Turner


I think Grimes is going to see a big reduction in minutes with Reddish coming in. There just aren't enough minutes to go around between Barrett, Fournier, Grimes, Quickley, and now Reddish at the 2/3.

I know Atlanta has experimented with Reddish at the 4 a bit this year, but it has only been a very small sample and Thibs has shown to be very reluctant to "go small" anyway. Plus, with Randle averaging well over 30 minutes, there isn't really much room to cut time from Toppin unless they just start putting him in the DNP category.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Reports  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 9:34 am : link
In comment 15557421 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 15557392 Mike in NJ said:


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In comment 15557310 nygiants16 said:


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Pacers want 2 firsts or a young player and a first for turner



Honestly that’s not a ridiculous ask for him. We just got Cam Reddish for a young player (a shitty your player at that) and a first. Usually the rumored asking price is higher than what the team ultimately gets so if we ended up having to give up Grimes and a heavily protected draft pick for Turner, would anyone be all that upset?



i am not giving up Grimes for Turner..

Id offer Mitch, Kemba and obi and dall 1st for Turner



I think Grimes is going to see a big reduction in minutes with Reddish coming in. There just aren't enough minutes to go around between Barrett, Fournier, Grimes, Quickley, and now Reddish at the 2/3.

I know Atlanta has experimented with Reddish at the 4 a bit this year, but it has only been a very small sample and Thibs has shown to be very reluctant to "go small" anyway. Plus, with Randle averaging well over 30 minutes, there isn't really much room to cut time from Toppin unless they just start putting him in the DNP category.


Thats why i think a big trade is coming, you dont trade for Reddish to barely play him and piss off Klutch...

Plus we know Thibs loves Grimes
I'd be upset if they traded Grimes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/17/2022 10:27 am : link
He's done nothing but show plus potential. He fits in with the roster well. Reddish is going to be expensive really soon and he's just a huge unknown.
Thibs loves Grimes but a year of limited  
larryflower37 : 1/17/2022 10:32 am : link
Minutes is not a big deal.
Cam needs the minutes to know what he is, the Knicks didn't trade for him to be a 10 minute player.
Kemba still out  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 11:29 am : link
They said it was just sore and that he was ramping up, he stayed back from atlanta to get conditioning work and Thibs made it sound like he was close and he is still out
RE: Kemba still out  
Stu11 : 1/17/2022 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15557601 nygiants16 said:
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They said it was just sore and that he was ramping up, he stayed back from atlanta to get conditioning work and Thibs made it sound like he was close and he is still out

Well they have a back the back do he wasn't going to play both any way. Maybe be they're holding him out for tomorrow.
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