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Giants Scouting Department..

EliisGod77 : 1/15/2022 2:31 pm
"The way it was described to me, the Giants need to redo their scouting department. Seems like they’ve lost how to evaluate players, how to scout players, how to build a roster. They need a new GM to come in and set the foundation." - Ian Rapoport on
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This is something that as a Giants fan intrigues me. Even when the Giants won super bowls in 2007 and 2011 it always seemed like we were missing alot. Credit Coughlin for his coaching and Eli for his 4th quarter heroics. Im glad they realize they are failing in this department and want to rectify it.
That is what I have been saying on GM search threads  
Mike in NY : 1/15/2022 2:35 pm : link
I think Mara and Tisch finally recognize that player evaluation has been crap and they want someone who knows how to develop that pipeline rather than going for someone outside of the box. A personnel oriented GM can always hire the next Kwesi Adofo-Mensah as an assistant.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/15/2022 2:37 pm : link
Well, we're stuck with the scouts we got until the draft. After that, with a new GM from the outside, I bet we see some changes.
This is why people are complaining about Chris Mara  
kdog77 : 1/15/2022 2:37 pm : link
being the SVP of Player Personnel. He is the titular head of scouting.
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EliisGod77 : 1/15/2022 2:39 pm : link
In comment 15554115 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Well, we're stuck with the scouts we got until the draft. After that, with a new GM from the outside, I bet we see some changes.
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I really hope we are not relying on our scouts for this draft. I have zero faith in them. Hopefully whoever the new GM will bring people on board that have actively scouted this year and can help make these crucial selections count as opportunities to draft in this position do not come often...
Chris Mara's department...  
bw in dc : 1/15/2022 2:40 pm : link
according to Jints Central's org chart.

Where is Googs?
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Platos : 1/15/2022 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15554123 EliisGod77 said:
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Well, we're stuck with the scouts we got until the draft. After that, with a new GM from the outside, I bet we see some changes.

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I really hope we are not relying on our scouts for this draft. I have zero faith in them. Hopefully whoever the new GM will bring people on board that have actively scouted this year and can help make these crucial selections count as opportunities to draft in this position do not come often...


thats just the way this works, the bills when hiring brandon beane fired the staff after the draft. reason being is the scouting year starts around spring so they can't blow everything up months before the draft and have all the reports etc they need.

i believe the first draft will be heavily influenced by whoever the new GM has already been scouting for his previous team.
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k2tampa : 1/15/2022 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15554123 EliisGod77 said:
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Well, we're stuck with the scouts we got until the draft. After that, with a new GM from the outside, I bet we see some changes.

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I really hope we are not relying on our scouts for this draft. I have zero faith in them. Hopefully whoever the new GM will bring people on board that have actively scouted this year and can help make these crucial selections count as opportunities to draft in this position do not come often...


No team is going to let another team hire away scouts who are under contract, and definitely won't let them leave with any reports on players, before the draft. And didn't Gettleman bring in a bunch of new scouts his first year because he felt the Giants scouting needed to be upgraded?
Platos has it right.  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 3:03 pm : link
Besides, I heard Chris Mara has said he is willing to double his efforts on college player evaluations to help with the new GM transition.

He's nearly finished with 2 of them, so two more to go...

The 1st thing the new GM is going to do is buy them computers  
gtt350 : 1/15/2022 3:04 pm : link
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wasn't this supposed to be Gettleman's whole thing?  
Producer : 1/15/2022 3:08 pm : link
What a gigantic boob DG is.
What happens to Tim McDonnell?  
TroyArchersGhost : 1/15/2022 3:15 pm : link
How the heck are you going to move out the Director of Player Personal if he's an owner?
Photo Of Chris Mara Leading The Giants Scouting Department  
Trainmaster : 1/15/2022 3:28 pm : link


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Mayo2JZ : 1/15/2022 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15554115 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Well, we're stuck with the scouts we got until the draft. After that, with a new GM from the outside, I bet we see some changes.


I've seen this posted before. Why? There are tons of research out there on prospects and if/when the new GM is hired perhaps he has his own ideas about talent. Hell just do a Zoom with Sy and come up with a list.
Until just now  
Giantsince80 : 1/15/2022 4:08 pm : link
I was unaware we had one.
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Ivan15 : 1/15/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15554157 k2tampa said:
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Well, we're stuck with the scouts we got until the draft. After that, with a new GM from the outside, I bet we see some changes.

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No team is going to let another team hire away scouts who are under contract, and definitely won't let them leave with any reports on players, before the draft. And didn't Gettleman bring in a bunch of new scouts his first year because he felt the Giants scouting needed to be upgraded?


Yes, DG did that and the drafts got better. The last 2 drafts were not bad but Judge’s coaches didn’t do enough development. Giants are stuck with the current scouting staff but that doesn’t mean that the GM forgets about how to evaluate players himself.
RE: Platos has it right.  
Platos : 1/15/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15554162 Jimmy Googs said:
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Besides, I heard Chris Mara has said he is willing to double his efforts on college player evaluations to help with the new GM transition.

He's nearly finished with 2 of them, so two more to go...


yes, I heard he's spending massive amounts of minutes looking at the top 25 prospects, and ONLY the top 25 prospects on Tim McConnell's board.

we all have to hope theres not a horse emergency until the draft.

its so funny the people who defend Chris having his position... check out this quote from the draft he ditched to see his horses earn shit at the derby

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He’s been at the Kentucky Derby for exactly 43 minutes, and nearly every passerby has given him the same greeting. “You made it!” booms restaurant mogul Chris Sullivan, one of the founders of Outback Steakhouse. “How was your draft?”

“It was good,” Mara says. “But I was just saying, it’s like a yearling sale. You love ’em all, and then a year later, you hate ’em all.”


he admits he hates his team every year
What have Chris and Tim been doing these past 10 years  
kelly : 1/15/2022 5:42 pm : link
So they have over seen a terrible scouting department and it took Mara 10 years to figure out that department stinks.

How does John Mara reconcile that with the fact that Chris and Tim run that department.

But Chris is not involved and Tim is a great guy. Everyone loves a boss who is friends to everyone and holds no one accountable.
Tim at least worked outside of Giants Central  
Platos : 1/15/2022 5:55 pm : link
albeit for Weis at Notre Dame but he stayed through with Brian Kelly.

he's also played football.

Chris was probably a drunkard growing up lol
Until the Giants replace the scouts  
David B. : 1/15/2022 10:14 pm : link
(and DG's grading system) ANY new GM is fishing from a poisoned pool.
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