Draft prospects hard truth

Worry about where to play them later. I don't care if the whole OL is made of OTs. These guys get hurt all the time. You cannot have too many of them.

in forever. If we pass and he’s the next Von Miller that’s an absolute disaster

In comment 15555106 TroyArchersGhost said:

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There's no reason to draft a player at any OL position except LT with a Top 10 or even 1st round pick and tie up the cap space in their rookie contract. The league is full of good starting o-lineman drafted on Day 2 and 3. The Bills o-line has no first rounders, for example. Save the #1 picks for defense, QB, or WR, or trade down and pick up more picks and use those picks for OL, since we need 4 new starters.

I disagree. If we can get a guy like Brandon Scherff, a 4 time Pro Bowler and a mainstay at G, then I'd grab him. We need quality OL players, not quantity

Linderbaum could be worth the 7th pick, or perhaps in a slight trade down. The guy might be the next Jason Kelce or Nick Mangold. Fine by me in the top 10.

And see how many teams have 1st or 2nd rounders playing on the OL. A lot of them maybe have one, maybe two tops in Cowboys case (some from or by way of other teams first).

Giants simply need to start with getting better evaluation and development personnel in their front office first that synchs with a scheme/coaching program. You can find good OL fits in mid rounds. I don’t like take two OL in first round this year with some of the defensive talents that will be there in top of draft.

I see Ekwonu as a G at NFL level.

In comment 15555345 Sammo85 said:

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And see how many teams have 1st or 2nd rounders playing on the OL. A lot of them maybe have one, maybe two tops in Cowboys case (some from or by way of other teams first). Giants simply need to start with getting better evaluation and development personnel in their front office first that synchs with a scheme/coaching program. You can find good OL fits in mid rounds. I don’t like take two OL in first round this year with some of the defensive talents that will be there in top of draft. I see Ekwonu as a G at NFL level.

Yep, overhaul of the scouting should be able to find some gems in the mid rounds. But - we should still consider the elite talent when it’s there. For example - if they have Linderbaum and Stingley on the same plane I’m taking OL. It just seems more important in todays NFL to have dominant linemen than corners

In comment 15555351 ryanmkeane said:

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In comment 15555345 Sammo85 said: Quote: And see how many teams have 1st or 2nd rounders playing on the OL. A lot of them maybe have one, maybe two tops in Cowboys case (some from or by way of other teams first). Giants simply need to start with getting better evaluation and development personnel in their front office first that synchs with a scheme/coaching program. You can find good OL fits in mid rounds. I don’t like take two OL in first round this year with some of the defensive talents that will be there in top of draft. I see Ekwonu as a G at NFL level. Yep, overhaul of the scouting should be able to find some gems in the mid rounds. But - we should still consider the elite talent when it’s there. For example - if they have Linderbaum and Stingley on the same plane I’m taking OL. It just seems more important in todays NFL to have dominant linemen than corners

Depends on your defensive scheme. If we hire Martindale as HC, I’d be surprised he wouldn’t bang the table for a corner like that he can plug and play off of for next 5 yrs at least. Bills have terrific secondary too.

I’m also keen on couple of the LBs in this draft.

Every year the same shit. Every year the Giants are picking one slot out of the "blue chips". Every year they need to trade down.

They have plenty of picks. They have plenty of holes. This should be a no brainer. Take the best player.

I see no reason why Cross cant move to RT.

I see no reason Thomas can't move to RT.

KT is an immense talent even if you saw him get blocked that time.

Linderbaum could be an all-pro center, and the Giants line is shit, but of course they arent allowed to pick him at 7 right?

You guys should print a rule book.

Yes, he may be better suited for LT, but he should easily be able to handle RT, and get valuable experience on that side (instead of being tossed into the fire on the left side).

You would have the insurance of being able to shift Cross over to LT if Thomas gets dinged up. It's a win/win then. Remember, we not only need starters on the OL, we need depth as well, since you have to presume that bodies won't hold up over 17-18 game regular seasons.

Martindale as HC but I don’t see him as a great choice. Seems like a coordinator and that’s his lane

In comment 15555171 NYGgolfer said:

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guys taken outside of round one. Looks like they have a mix of guys though taken between Rds 2-4 (and an UDFA) which seems like a nice balance of value and prudency, versus desperation. Spencer Brown is a rookie playing Right Tackle and the Bills picked him up in 3rd Round. Sy56 put a very high grade on him and indicated his ceiling was very strong. Time for the Giants to hire Joe Schoen.

Makes you wonder if Buffalo had taken Matt Peart last year, would they have been able to be as successful if he had to man the right tackle position.

In comment 15555171 NYGgolfer said:

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guys taken outside of round one. Looks like they have a mix of guys though taken between Rds 2-4 (and an UDFA) which seems like a nice balance of value and prudency, versus desperation. Spencer Brown is a rookie playing Right Tackle and the Bills picked him up in 3rd Round. Sy56 put a very high grade on him and indicated his ceiling was very strong. Time for the Giants to hire Joe Schoen.

And in Baltimore:

"The Giants have made 15 picks in the third round, 13 in the fourth and 12 in the fifth in the past 12 drafts, while the Ravens have made 21, 25 and 19, respectively. The third round has been a notorious desert for the Giants, whose last significant contributor was Mario Manningham, drafted in 2008. The last third-rounder to sign a second contract was 2005 pick Justin Tuck."

You can be sure those later round picks have made significant contributions to the Ravens.

In comment 15555096 NJBlueTuna said:

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We can can get him at 7, assuming we want to Re the way the draft and 5 plays out if Stingley drops to 5 We must draft OL in the 1st rd that is the only thing I am certain of. We will not have a new GM take the reigns and not face the backlash of not drafting OL in the 1st rd

Or we can have a GM who knows he doesn’t have to overdraft OL in order to get really good ones and is confident in his ability to evaluate and find them later.

A GM who knows talent, sees the lack of it here and takes the most talented players he can with our two 1st round picks. If that’s an OL, fine but I want a guy confident enough to take the best players regardless of position or need.

Passing on rare talent would be a mistake. Take KT if he actually drops to 5, which I don’t think he will. Jets will take him if he’s there at 4.

that is made up entirely of guys taken after the first round.

They get manhandled by tough, hard-nosed football teams.

That's why they can't beat the Titans and have trouble with other physical teams.

The OL is the weakest part of the Bills. Josh Allen, who is becoming a very unique QB, covers for their shortcomings a whole lot.

In comment 15555676 Red Dog said:

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that is made up entirely of guys taken after the first round. They get manhandled by tough, hard-nosed football teams. That's why they can't beat the Titans and have trouble with other physical teams. The OL is the weakest part of the Bills. Josh Allen, who is becoming a very unique QB, covers for their shortcomings a whole lot.

Between the Chiefs' and Ravens' o-lines, there is ONE 1st rounder: Ronnie Stanley, a LT. Are they getting pushed around?

In comment 15555128 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15555082 NJBlueTuna said: Quote: In comment 15555050 bw in dc said: Why? Thomas isn't Tony Boselli. If Cross is just a better LT than he should play LT and move Thomas to RT. You do what's best for the team. Bc Thomas has been the best offensive player on this team and has been playing hurt. And has 2 yrs of NFL experience. Oh, he also has the worst guard play next to him in the NFL while making the above comments. Being the best player on our offense means nothing. Nor does AT's experience. Slater came in right away for the Chargers and became an All-Pro LT. And he hadn't played football in over a year because he opted out due to Covid If Cross looks to be the better player, he should get the job at LT. I really don't know why this is so difficult. Now, I could certainly live with AT staying at LT and Cross taking RT. I'm not tied to any outcome. But to just give the LT job to AT because of experience and he's the best player on the worst offense in the NFL is the wrong way to look at it.

One of the few times I agree with you. Stating you can't move a possible better LT ot LT while moving the other to right seems to me as archaic thinking.

Glad to see SY chime in about Cross also being capable at RT.