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Doug Pederson

cokeduplt : 1/16/2022 10:05 am
So we all hate him and want nothing to do with him. I’ve been thinking about it he is a good coach, won a super bowl with Foles etc. We should definitely consider him. I’m sure Dallas fans hated Parcells but they were happy when he was the coach. I know he’s not Parcells but he might legitimately be the best head coach candidate out there.
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It's not so much that he won a SB with the Eagles  
Anakim : 1/16/2022 10:08 am : link
I could live with that. It's that he intentionally tried to lose a game. I want a winner. I want a guy who will do anything it takes to win. I don't want a guy who will play Nate fucking Sudfeld and then pretend like he wasn't trying to throw the game.
Yea I agree  
cokeduplt : 1/16/2022 10:10 am : link
It would be a tough pill to swallow. I just don’t think he should be ruled out based on feelings.
The front office called that shot to put Sudfeld in  
Snablats : 1/16/2022 10:10 am : link
Why would Pederson do that and lose the locker room? Front offices care about draft position, not coaches. He was clearly ordered to do it
My brother in law  
Jay on the Island : 1/16/2022 10:11 am : link
is an Eagles fan and he is convinced that Reich deserves most of the credit for their success during that run and I agree with him. If the new GM is convinced that Pederson is the right choice then I could live with it but he is not high on my list.
Not so much Pederson related but  
Drewcon40 : 1/16/2022 10:12 am : link
has there been an NFL coach to win a SuperBowl with two different teams AS A HEAD COACH? I’m not saying this should deter a candidate but was drawing a blank.
If ownership told you to lose and then fired you,  
bluefin : 1/16/2022 10:17 am : link
would you quietly accept the demolition of your reputation?
RE: Not so much Pederson related but  
cokeduplt : 1/16/2022 10:19 am : link
In comment 15555254 Drewcon40 said:
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has there been an NFL coach to win a SuperBowl with two different teams AS A HEAD COACH? I’m not saying this should deter a candidate but was drawing a blank.


There hasn’t.
RE: Not so much Pederson related but  
Sammo85 : 1/16/2022 10:19 am : link
In comment 15555254 Drewcon40 said:
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has there been an NFL coach to win a SuperBowl with two different teams AS A HEAD COACH? I’m not saying this should deter a candidate but was drawing a blank.


Nope. Eventually there will be one though.
RE: My brother in law  
cokeduplt : 1/16/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15555252 Jay on the Island said:
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is an Eagles fan and he is convinced that Reich deserves most of the credit for their success during that run and I agree with him. If the new GM is convinced that Pederson is the right choice then I could live with it but he is not high on my list.


This is a good point. Reich has been a solid head coach, should’ve never traded for Wentz though.
RE: My brother in law  
Sammo85 : 1/16/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15555252 Jay on the Island said:
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is an Eagles fan and he is convinced that Reich deserves most of the credit for their success during that run and I agree with him. If the new GM is convinced that Pederson is the right choice then I could live with it but he is not high on my list.


He might be right but things came together with Eagles too. Lot of roster talent and depth on both sides of ball.

If Reich doesn’t win into playoffs next year he’ll be out of job in Indy himself.
RE: The front office called that shot to put Sudfeld in  
Jay on the Island : 1/16/2022 10:22 am : link
In comment 15555249 Snablats said:
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Why would Pederson do that and lose the locker room? Front offices care about draft position, not coaches. He was clearly ordered to do it

I don't buy that for a second. Pederson knew that he was going to be fired and had he received that order from the FO there is absolutely no benefit to him following that order. He would have mentioned it after being fired.
I would endorse Pederson...  
bw in dc : 1/16/2022 10:24 am : link
no problem. Terrific record as a HC with big game experience and wins. A ton to like.

But I'll stick to the process and trust the GM to make the call.
I like Pederson a lot  
ryanmkeane : 1/16/2022 10:25 am : link
as a coach and offensive mind. Whoever the GM is should really give him a look
No thanks  
Chris684 : 1/16/2022 10:33 am : link
I’m not a fan of visor head coaches.
RE: No thanks  
Anakim : 1/16/2022 10:34 am : link
In comment 15555290 Chris684 said:
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I’m not a fan of visor head coaches.


Sean Payton?
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Chris684 : 1/16/2022 10:35 am : link
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I’m not a fan of visor head coaches.



Sean Payton?


Ha, I was jk but I guess you’re right come to think of it.
I would prefer someone other than Pederson...  
EricJ : 1/16/2022 10:37 am : link
but he would be an upgrade vs what we had in the last three coaches.
RE: No thanks  
GFAN52 : 1/16/2022 10:38 am : link
In comment 15555290 Chris684 said:
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I’m not a fan of visor head coaches.




The story I remember hearing from an Eagles  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/16/2022 10:43 am : link
beat reporter was Pederson blowing that game was a big fuck you to managment, for constantly being micromanaged.
RE: RE: No thanks  
Chris684 : 1/16/2022 10:58 am : link
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Yes I know, lots of coaches have worn visors at one time or another. I was making a joke about Pederson who always wears them.
RE: The front office called that shot to put Sudfeld in  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2022 10:59 am : link
In comment 15555249 Snablats said:
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Why would Pederson do that and lose the locker room? Front offices care about draft position, not coaches. He was clearly ordered to do it


St. Albans, if your Pederson, you say NO just like Parcells, Coughlin and most others would. If fired, he’d have been snapped up in a nanosecond
your=you’re  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2022 10:59 am : link
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go to their fan's perspective of Pederson...  
BillKo : 1/16/2022 11:01 am : link
....in regards to what type of coach he is. They see the team game in, game out.

They weren't happy with his game management at all.

He benefited from a rather weak NFC in 2017 and implementing the RPO (via Reich) which took the league by surprise. That's not to say the didn't have talent.

Subsequent years he benefited from playing the Skins and Giants to squeak into the playoffs.

I'd have a ton of questions about his ability to succeed here.
No way they should take him  
giantstock : 1/16/2022 11:03 am : link
This has little to do with "feelings."

There has to be many NFL players that care about winning and don't want to be scolded by a coach that had openly and deliberately coached his team to lose the game.

Any FA player why would they want to play for a coach that is okay deliberately coaching his team to lose?

Anytime a coach deliberately coaches his team to lose, he becomes a complete loser. If the Giants are done again after week 12 what's to stop him from doing the same shit he did with Philly? Why wouldn't it be on the back of his player's minds?

The guy is a loser now. You coach to deliberately lose- you are a loser. You never want to see a player quit, but it's okay for a coach to do it while their were playoff implications for other teams? It would be nonsense to consider him.
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Peppers : 1/16/2022 11:10 am : link
Doug is a very good coach who would bring an A+ staff. He's very easy to work with. NYG would be lucky to have him.
RE: Not so much Pederson related but  
Ivan15 : 1/16/2022 11:12 am : link
In comment 15555254 Drewcon40 said:
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has there been an NFL coach to win a SuperBowl with two different teams AS A HEAD COACH? I’m not saying this should deter a candidate but was drawing a blank.


Has there been a coach who won a SB and then took another team to a SB even without winning again?
RE: RE: Not so much Pederson related but  
Ivan15 : 1/16/2022 11:18 am : link
In comment 15555353 Ivan15 said:
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has there been an NFL coach to win a SuperBowl with two different teams AS A HEAD COACH? I’m not saying this should deter a candidate but was drawing a blank.

Now that I think about it, the list of coaches who have taken 2 teams to the SB is pretty short.
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giantstock : 1/16/2022 11:22 am : link
In comment 15555350 Peppers said:
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Doug is a very good coach who would bring an A+ staff. He's very easy to work with. NYG would be lucky to have him.


Thank you Mrs. Pederson. Your husband is a loser.
another great play caller  
Dankbeerman : 1/16/2022 11:22 am : link
who you have to make a HC to get him to call plays. I dont want him in charge of the team whilenits building. Hes more of the push you over the hump type risk.
I don’t understand why throwing a game in 2020  
cosmicj : 1/16/2022 11:23 am : link
Has any relevance to whether the Giants should hire Pederson.
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BillKo : 1/16/2022 11:23 am : link
In comment 15555362 Ivan15 said:
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has there been an NFL coach to win a SuperBowl with two different teams AS A HEAD COACH? I’m not saying this should deter a candidate but was drawing a blank.

Now that I think about it, the list of coaches who have taken 2 teams to the SB is pretty short.


Parcells and Holgremn
RE: I don’t understand why throwing a game in 2020  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2022 11:25 am : link
In comment 15555378 cosmicj said:
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Has any relevance to whether the Giants should hire Pederson.


Character
RE: I don’t understand why throwing a game in 2020  
cokeduplt : 1/16/2022 11:29 am : link
In comment 15555378 cosmicj said:
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Has any relevance to whether the Giants should hire Pederson.


It’s just emotions
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Angel Eyes : 1/16/2022 11:30 am : link
In comment 15555381 BillKo said:
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has there been an NFL coach to win a SuperBowl with two different teams AS A HEAD COACH? I’m not saying this should deter a candidate but was drawing a blank.

Now that I think about it, the list of coaches who have taken 2 teams to the SB is pretty short.



Parcells and Holgremn

Shula and Reid as well.
RE: It's not so much that he won a SB with the Eagles  
BestFeature : 1/16/2022 11:36 am : link
In comment 15555245 Anakim said:
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I could live with that. It's that he intentionally tried to lose a game. I want a winner. I want a guy who will do anything it takes to win. I don't want a guy who will play Nate fucking Sudfeld and then pretend like he wasn't trying to throw the game.


I guess Craig Carton was right. I can't believe people give a shit about that completely irrelevant coaching move.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2022 11:42 am : link
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I could live with that. It's that he intentionally tried to lose a game. I want a winner. I want a guy who will do anything it takes to win. I don't want a guy who will play Nate fucking Sudfeld and then pretend like he wasn't trying to throw the game.



I guess Craig Carton was right. I can't believe people give a shit about that completely irrelevant coaching move.


Some of us do. It meant the playoffs and that’s always the bottom line, at least for me
RE: I don’t understand why throwing a game in 2020  
bw in dc : 1/16/2022 11:42 am : link
In comment 15555378 cosmicj said:
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Has any relevance to whether the Giants should hire Pederson.


Right. It's typical BBI practicing the art of being dumb.

We're willing to roll the dice two years ago for a guy who never was a HC and was on the brink of becoming the HC for Mississippi State. But we don't want to hire a SB winning coach who went to the playoffs 3 of 5 years at the helm.

Every day we are reminded here that NYG fans are clearly not the brightest fans in the NFL.

If only Pederson grew up in New Jersey and went to Boston College or Princeton. And was an avid NYG fan growing up.
If we were 10-6  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/16/2022 11:55 am : link
or 9-7 and needed that Eagle loss, yeah I'd be pissed. But we sucked and didn't deserve to sniff a playoff spot.

I'm not sure about Pederson, but I'd give him an interview.
It’s a no for me. He had a great team and a great staff.  
CV36 : 1/16/2022 12:31 pm : link
Right time right place with the right roster for it. It wouldn’t surprise me if he never succeeds again as a HC.



Again, it was the front office making that decision  
Snablats : 1/16/2022 12:33 pm : link
You think Pederson is going to alienate his locker room by doing that on his own? And saying he wanted to stick it to the front office by purposely losing makes no sense because the front office wanted to lose to get the better draft pick. He was told to do it so he did it. He cant squawk about it and publicly kill the front office because then he would never get another job
Have no idea if Pederson is the right candidate but the rest of the  
Jimmy Googs : 1/16/2022 12:43 pm : link
available list isn't exactly knocking anybody's socks off.

Pederson was a Super Bowl, and did it with his backup QB no less so that has to count for something.

Giants fans that don't like him because he wears a visor and the Philly decision last year kept us out of playoffs is short-sighted. The Giants kept themselves out of playoffs by losing 3 of the last 4 and losing control of their own destiny.

Bring him in for a little chat and let Chris Mara decide...

won a Superbowl  
Jimmy Googs : 1/16/2022 12:44 pm : link
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Pederson  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/16/2022 12:47 pm : link
Had a really good team. So good that they marched forward losing the starting LT and QB. What he also had was one of the easiest paths to a Super Bowl I can recall in the playoffs and then faced a Patriots team where the Kraft/BB was simmering quite hotly.

What Pederson did was take advantage of a great situation and closed the deal. He deserves a ton of credit for that. I would not expect the same great fortune next time but he certainly warrants the chance. Many coaches also had great situations and never reached the heights he did.
As is often the case here  
dancing blue bear : 1/16/2022 1:26 pm : link
people look at the stats (w-l, playoff berths etc) and make their judgements without having seen full games.

I had the misfortune of being in the Philly market during some of his tenure.
My opinion, he is a goober. Reich was the brains of that operation. After that he coasted on the strong Oline, and weak division. Never a real contender after FR left.

The game management stuff is sometimes over rated by fans. Truthfully most fan bases are irate at a decision the HC made every monday morning. That said, some of the shit I saw him do in game was staggeringly stupid. He will be reviled by fans faster then most of our coaches.

The firing was not over that game. He lost a power struggle with Howie, who was telling him he had to fire staff and replace with guys on a short list.

As for the FO telling him to lose games, the dolphins FO told Flores to tank for Tua. he refused
RE: The story I remember hearing from an Eagles  
djm : 1/16/2022 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15555304 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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beat reporter was Pederson blowing that game was a big fuck you to managment, for constantly being micromanaged.


We need to be very very careful about turning our backs on the most accomplished and viable HC (assuming harbaugh is out) available solely because of one really weird game. A game still shrouded in mystery I might add. We don’t even know what really happened behind the scenes.
RE: As is often the case here  
bw in dc : 1/16/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15555538 dancing blue bear said:
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people look at the stats (w-l, playoff berths etc) and make their judgements without having seen full games.

I had the misfortune of being in the Philly market during some of his tenure.
My opinion, he is a goober. Reich was the brains of that operation. After that he coasted on the strong Oline, and weak division. Never a real contender after FR left.



It's one thing to watch the games. It's another thing to understand it. Those Philly teams went 9-7 both years after winning the SB and made the playoffs. And they were ravaged by injuries each year. From decimated secondaries, decimated WR corps, decimated OLs to injuries to Wentz, Pederson kept that team on the rails and figured it out. He deserves a ton of credit for his work.
RE: Again, it was the front office making that decision  
Eman11 : 1/16/2022 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15555471 Snablats said:
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You think Pederson is going to alienate his locker room by doing that on his own? And saying he wanted to stick it to the front office by purposely losing makes no sense because the front office wanted to lose to get the better draft pick. He was told to do it so he did it. He cant squawk about it and publicly kill the front office because then he would never get another job


He could’ve shown some backbone and character and said no. He ended up alienating his locker room doing exactly what he did, and lost his job anyway.

I’m sure if he said no, it would have impressed players and teams league wide, and would’ve been a plus on his resume going forward. Instead it’s a bit of a black cloud following him around.
Pretty stupid to hate a coach who worked for Philly  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/16/2022 1:41 pm : link
In my opinion. He's good at his job, or at least it seemed that way.
RE: RE: Again, it was the front office making that decision  
bw in dc : 1/16/2022 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15555559 Eman11 said:
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I’m sure if he said no, it would have impressed players and teams league wide, and would’ve been a plus on his resume going forward. Instead it’s a bit of a black cloud following him around.


He's getting interviews for HC jobs in the NFL. And seems to be one of the favorites for the Chicago and Minnesota openings. So the black cloud is likely the imagination of NYG fans.
RE: Not so much Pederson related but  
joeinpa : 1/16/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15555254 Drewcon40 said:
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has there been an NFL coach to win a SuperBowl with two different teams AS A HEAD COACH? I’m not saying this should deter a candidate but was drawing a blank.


Nope
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