Who is the football person leading the search for a new GM?

I think it's up to Mara and Tisch

They can do whatever they want. You wouldn’t want somebody telling you how to run your football team.

They still don’t realize they are the problem

Boom

In comment 15555311 Anakim said:

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I think it's up to Mara and Tisch

Yes, it's up to them to make the final decision but the question was "Who is giving them real insight as to strengths and weaknesses of the candidates?"

Every single candidate looks promising seems like not even they could screw it up

and get his two cents. He was very helpful in recommending Judge so he owes us one.

And ended up with Gettleman. Terrible. Let them make the choice.

Recorded the names of the best front office types, pretended he needed Maras office late for some client schmoozing and hid a subliminal message in John's office. John has all these brilliant thoughts he's never had, all his own! Or are they?

In comment 15555326 sphinx said:

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In comment 15555311 Anakim said: Quote: I think it's up to Mara and Tisch//// Yes, it's up to them to make the final decision but the question was "Who is giving them real insight as to strengths and weaknesses of the candidates?"

Thank you sphinx. Anak, of course it's up to Mara and Tisch for the decision on the hire, doh, but as far as BBI has heard or the beats are saying, has ownership enlisted a real football person to vet the candidates and the process?

In comment 15555335 Joey in VA said:

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Recorded the names of the best front office types, pretended he needed Maras office late for some client schmoozing and hid a subliminal message in John's office. John has all these brilliant thoughts he's never had, all his own! Or are they?

Joey, lol. But maybe not so far fetched: Maras are only comfortable keeping it all in the family?

but since there is no one between them and the GM, they probably have themselves and Chris, maybe Abrams. Who eles is there.

Good News is they have gone outside the building. They can listen to these 9 people, see what they say is needed to turn this mess around, compare criticisms and concurrences, see where they differ from the candidates, where the candidates agree and disagree. Using the outside opinions, they can draw conclusions and see where the strongest opinions are.

It cannot be easy. But they have a very strong list of candidates and will have a better GM then they have had since Accorsi. I also would not be surprised if they have opinions from other owners they have great relationships with.

And is guiding the search. That is his golden parachute!!!

Do you expect something different from the Giants?

Is there anyone you can think of in the Giants' orbit, the franchise's universe, who ownership could draw on without the potential scrutiny and embarrassment if it came to light?

Pretty much all their former FO types have disqualified themselves. Is Parcells too long removed from the game? Who has the independence and the stature to be able to talk straight with John?

Want Accorsi running the search? He’s a football guy and was the one who really pushed Gettleman.

"I am providing the Owners helpful advice on new GM candidates. We are looking for the right mix of person that can use a computer and a cellphone without any help as those things can be very tricky. But also a guy grounded and still remembers you have to run the ball and stop the run to be successful in the NFL."

In comment 15555333 JoeyBigBlue said:

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And ended up with Gettleman. Terrible. Let them make the choice.

Agree

In comment 15555342 section125 said:

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but since there is no one between them and the GM, they probably have themselves and Chris, maybe Abrams. Who eles is there.... It cannot be easy. But they have a very strong list of candidates and will have a better GM then they have had since Accorsi. I also would not be surprised if they have opinions from other owners they have great relationships with.

Thanks, section. But having gone outside the building as you say, and rejected an Abrams candidacy, would he have any sway? It would be interesting to understand fully the reasons, if any, why he didn't make the list other thanbeing part of the DG disaster.

It's an interesting point re other owners: Kraft/BB prolly out because of Judge, Rooneys/Halas's are mired in their own imminent transition issues, who does Mara see as his 'peers' to consult? Can't be an NFC East team owner.

In comment 15555328 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:

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Every single candidate looks promising seems like not even they could screw it up

We hope, but we as fans on the outside might now be aware of the warts/disqualifications. But your point gets to my question: how are they navigating a field of what seems like legit candidates? I don't think ownership is competent to do this on a football informed basis.

This time there is concern they are interviewing too many.

Last time they were criticized for having Acorsi a part of their past success, be part of the process. This time there is concern they don’t have someone else they trust helping them make the decision.

It s all very confusing.

Maras business is football.

In comment 15555344 Ivan15 said:

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And is guiding the search. That is his golden parachute!!! Do you expect something different from the Giants?

No, read, weep, wish for more of the same. Ivan, Giants are trapped in a nightmare of their own making.

In comment 15555389 joeinpa said:

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This time there is concern they are interviewing too many. Last time they were criticized for having Acorsi a part of their past success, be part of the process. This time there is concern they don’t have someone else they trust helping them make the decision. It s all very confusing.

True what you say, but do you not have the same concern? Should we as fans give Mara/Tisch benefit of the doubt--this time? I don't.

In comment 15555393 UberAlias said:

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Maras business is football.

Yes, and maybe awareness is dawning with someone in the bld'g that they have colossally effed up.

This is, yet again, an enormous fork in the road: that's why I am wondering if there is an outside voice as the adult in the room with whom ownership can feel comfortable vetting their thought processes with.

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In comment 15555333 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: And ended up with Gettleman. Terrible. Let them make the choice. Agree

And having listened to Accorsi, if true, it was yet another awful decision on their part. Did Mara say, oh, ok, Ernie, sounds good, I'm comfortable with DG. "Let[ing] them make the choice" was disastrous.

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Maras business is football.

The Maras have been around football all their lives. I'm sure they will solicit advice from others in the business before making the final decision, but it's not like they are fast food franchisors that own a football team.

Scary thought given the crappy scouting department he oversees.

But presumably as VP of Personnel he has contacts with others in his position.

I also bet Tim McDonald giving his 2 cents since he wants to make sure next GM isn't looking for performance but only looking for nice people.

contacts, very conceivable, like Chris' draft cards going into the system. Odds of good advice?

Obviously, I want a John Wayne type to stride through the barroom swinging doors and say, "I'm in control here." ):
Fantasy.

football people. Just ask them

In comment 15555460 ColHowPepper said:

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Obviously, I want a John Wayne type to stride through the barroom swinging doors and say, "I'm in control here." ): Fantasy.

Isn't that what Gettleman did? "I'm going to come in and kick butt..."

In comment 15555400 ColHowPepper said:

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In comment 15555389 joeinpa said: Quote: This time there is concern they are interviewing too many. Last time they were criticized for having Acorsi a part of their past success, be part of the process. This time there is concern they don’t have someone else they trust helping them make the decision. It s all very confusing. True what you say, but do you not have the same concern? Should we as fans give Mara/Tisch benefit of the doubt--this time? I don't.

I don’t. Seems like consensus is the bank of candidates is pretty strong

Chris Mara is in the interviews. Whatever you think of the guy, he has an extensive background in scouting, has contacts around the league and will bring a perspective and ask questions John and Steve aren't qualified to ask. I think he has done a crappy job in his job, but as a "football guy" owner, his being in the interview room is a good thing.

You don't need a football person to perform due diligence on candidates.

I'm sure Mara/Tisch are like any other owners who need to hire consultants/engineers/planners/etc. You have prospective employees interview/submit qualifications and the one who has the best plan or aligns best with their vision is more than likely to be hired. Fit is important, see Flores firing in Miami.

The best person for the job and the best fit don't always overlap.

In comment 15555556 Dave on the UWS said:

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Chris Mara is in the interviews. Whatever you think of the guy, he has an extensive background in scouting, has contacts around the league and will bring a perspective and ask questions John and Steve aren't qualified to ask. I think he has done a crappy job in his job, but as a "football guy" owner, his being in the interview room is a good thing.

From John's perspective, it makes sense, it's 'comfortable--aligning with what BH28 says above, if I understand him correctly, and Dave seems as if you buy into that, to a certain extent. I would think ownership should want a credible, new voice in the room.

Aren't familiarity and comfort--can those be seen as "fit"--what got the Giants in the doormat mess the franchise is in?

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You don't need a football person to perform due diligence on candidates.

BH, I don't get your thinking here. Why wouldn't/shouldn't it be to acquire insight into the job done, red flags, tactics and strategy in addressing the Giants' many issues?

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...the one who has the best plan or aligns best with their vision is more than likely to be hired. Fit is important, see Flores firing in Miami. The best person for the job and the best fit don't always overlap.

Agree with the reality of the last, but I reject the idea that the best GM candidate should align with their vision, which has been so lacking. This group has shown that it needs, requires, an external voice and vision to right the ship.

around the league were consulted about possible successors to Gettleman. Yes, that probably includes people like Accorsi, but probably also people from other teams or now retired.

If they truly start with a list of 9 qualified people, there is only so bad they can mess up. Worst case scenario they hire the least of 9 qualified people.

- Putting a candidate list together is easy. Any of us could have done just with publicly available info. Then Mara can ask around a bit for any info that's not public

- Interviewing is interviewing - just like any other job. It's an imperfect process, always, bit you structure it in a way to get as much real info as possible. It's just like any interview in any other part of life. If you own or run a business, the candidate should be more of an expert than you. Doesn't matter if you're hiring for a GM, a cloud architect, someone to source ingredients for your restaurants, whatever. This is all normal stuff that any manager, exec, or business owner does constantly

I asked him to recommend a new dr and he said everybody he knew was old like him. Look for somebody young. When Mara asked Accorsi, an old man, for help finding a new GM, what did we get? Another old man, and a lousy GM. At least, they seem to be interviewing young guys now.

but he can ask questions about scouting philosophy, method, and structure of scouting, along with responsibilities, and hierarchy within an organization. This will allow John and Steve to get a better idea about the right fit to rebuild this entire organization- which is necessary.

So, Jerry, business as usual at Mara Tech? Not buying it. Too much riding on 4th coaching tear down in six years, 3rd in GM in five. If Maras have led the franchise to this point is more business as usual, why bother?

In comment 15555909 Dave on the UWS said:

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but he can ask questions about scouting philosophy, method, and structure of scouting, along with responsibilities, and hierarchy within an organization. This will allow John and Steve to get a better idea about the right fit to rebuild this entire organization- which is necessary.

Dave, reasonable. I have to wonder what the trust quotient is between the brothers--relating to the direction of the franchise. Would be interesting to explore that, candidly, with them.