2022 - 2023 CAP Space and team rebuild

No point in cutting him to save less than $1M

Ryan is a CAP savings of$9,250,000

In comment 15555498 Archer said:

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Ryan is a CAP savings of$9,250,000

Thanks for clarifying your original post.

Post June 1. Shep/rudolph/ryan/martinez are probably on the chopping block just so we can sign our 2 first rd draft picks

where you geting this on Ryan. I use Spotrac for these type scenarios and I only see savings of under $1M

First nothing is painless. There’s hard choices.
Solder: nothing to save. Next year has been voided contractually. Still on the hook for $4M.
Shep and Gates: what are CBA protections for releasing injured players?
Ryan: due to contract guarantees, your origna $775K is correct. No big savings this year.
Creating cap space will mostly be done by rolling 2022 debt into 2023, so the $120M you mention is significantly reduced, even if we don’t commit to anything more than one year deals for any FAs. Also second year contracts for this year’s draftees will be something over$17M, which is fine if we hit on our draft picks
So hopefully 2023 will be better, but there are limits.

I was looking at the 2023 savings
It is $775,0000

Will free up almost 3 million.

is an interesting one. According to OTC cutting him would save 12 million.

In comment 15555554 terz22 said:

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Will free up almost 3 million.

minus the cost of signing a new punter

In comment 15555586 Jolly Blue Giant said:

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In comment 15555554 terz22 said: Quote: Will free up almost 3 million. minus the cost of signing a new punter

Average punter salary is 1.5. Amazing Dixon is in the 10 ten highest paid punters. Surely can get someone for far cheaper .

In comment 15555589 terz22 said:

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In comment 15555586 Jolly Blue Giant said: Quote: In comment 15555554 terz22 said: Quote: Will free up almost 3 million. minus the cost of signing a new punter Average punter salary is 1.5. Amazing Dixon is in the 10 ten highest paid punters. Surely can get someone for far cheaper .

ok, so cutting Dixon will probably net around 1M....still worth doing

i think he's still our top CB and the drop from him to Jackson is bigger than people think.

unless I missed something, they don't include the dead cap money. For example I've seen people post the cutting Rudolph frees up 5M. It does not. It frees up 2.5M because the Giants will be charge with 2.5M in dead money.

The Giants cap situation is pretty simple. In 2022 it's a mess and really bad with no space. Hopefully a new GM will be smart enough to play out 2022 without pushing very much money, if any at all, into 2023 and beyond. If a new GM leaves the big money contracts alone in 2022 the Giants will have no issues cutting any of the high priced players before 2023 and the dead money will be very manageable. As of this moment the Giants are in cap hell for 1 year - 2022. They have 9 draft picks and free agency to fill their roster for 2022 without making their cap situation worse.

There are a couple of players who it might make sense to restructure. Leonard Williams being the most obvious. His cap number is huge in 2022 and if he stays healthy extending his money out 2 years shouldn't be punitive. But if the Giants don't touch his contract and want to cut him after the 2022 season it would save them 10 million against the cap.

There are other contracts that could be short term fixes that turn into long term pain. Golladay being the most obvious of them. Example:

In 2023 the Giants owe Golladay no guaranteed money. Zero. His cap number is 21 million though. His salary is 13 million, he has a 4.5 million roster bonus and a 3.5 million prorated signing bonus. If the Giants leave his contract alone in 2022 and cut him after the 2022 season they would owe him no money at all and only the 3.5 million prorated signing bonus would count against the cap. So cutting him would save 18 million from his 21 million cap number. That's why I'm hoping they don't touch his contract. If he has another year like 2021 he's an easy cut. If he has a good 2022 then they can restructure him.

I'm going to have faith that smart people are about to take over the Giants. If that's the case there is only a 1 year cap issue.

would save 3.75M but create 8.5M in dead money. So cutting him before the coming season would cost the Giants 5M is cap space. I think he'll be on the team in 2022. Cutting him after 2022 would save 7M. If they can trade him before the 2022 season that would save 7M too. But his new team would have to accept his contract.

and painful cuts will need to be made, including moving some players we like, especially as mentioned about our draft signings, if OT and ER , our needs and likely 2 or our first 3 picks and are among the highest position costs.
Unfortunately few , if any, will bring back 1st or 2nd rounders by trading; maybe not even 3rds.
And who, cut, will want to come back at a significant salary cut, since many of those were rumored loyal to Judge and invited to his beer and pizza bash.

His last impact was 2021. It was planned that way.

Yearly, we see top teams in "Cap Hell" and somehow, they ALWAYS manage their way out. If a team wants to do something (sign a player, extend, etc.) they find a way. With a roster as untalented as the Giants, this is probably a simpler task than for a playoff caliber team. I kind of chuckle when I see folks get hung up on CAP issues.

on the Giants 2022 cap. 2022 is a "voidable year" for Solider and 4 million of his bonus was pushed into the Giants 2022 cap.

When you're looking at the Giants salary cap and cutting players or players coming off the books you have to look at both the cap savings and the dead money it creates. That's how you can tell if letting a player go saves money or costs money net vs the cap. Kyle Rudolph has a 7.5M cap number for 2022. 5M salary and 2.5M prorated signing bonus. If the Giants cut him before the 2022 season his 5M salary comes off the cap his 2.5M does not.

The 2021 Eagles set the NFL record for dead cap money in one year with 62 million and still made the playoffs. So there are different ways different teams approach things.

The Cap got cut last year because there was no crowds in the stadiums. We have no idea what the Cap will be reset at. I can guarantee it will be significantly higher than last year. So before we continue to talk about who we have to ct and what we will have to do how about we wait until we actually know what the number is that we will be chasing. Thread after thread about this same freakin topic. how about we stop guessing and just wait.

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In comment 15555740 Maryland Blows said:

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The Cap got cut last year because there was no crowds in the stadiums. We have no idea what the Cap will be reset at. I can guarantee it will be significantly higher than last year. So before we continue to talk about who we have to ct and what we will have to do how about we wait until we actually know what the number is that we will be chasing. Thread after thread about this same freakin topic. how about we stop guessing and just wait.

The NFL already assumed a significant increase for 2022 due to the reasons you mentioned and already incorporated in the estimates. There might be a small increase, hopefully!

Kyle Rudolph has a 7.5M cap number for 2022. 5M salary and 2.5M prorated signing bonus. If the Giants cut him before the 2022 season his 5M salary comes off the cap his 2.5M does not.

So the $7.5 M becomes 2.5M cap hit for 22, and you’ve opened up 5M in cap space in your example.

We have 10 draft choices. Assuming they all make the team, we have to remove 10 players from the current roster. Shouldn’t be too hard to find; there’s an awful lot of crap on the team and more than a few are grossly overpaid. I’m guessing no free agents next year which would not be a bad thing given the lousy free agent record the Giants have had. What few free agents have played well for one year either rebounded with a bad year (Bradbury) or got injured (Martinez). I’m trying to remember what free agent the Giants have signed who was worth the money and played well for more than a year or 2. How did Vernon, Snacks and Jenkins work out? It’s not just that schmuck Gettleman.

In comment 15555740 Maryland Blows said:

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The Cap got cut last year because there was no crowds in the stadiums. We have no idea what the Cap will be reset at. I can guarantee it will be significantly higher than last year. So before we continue to talk about who we have to ct and what we will have to do how about we wait until we actually know what the number is that we will be chasing. Thread after thread about this same freakin topic. how about we stop guessing and just wait.

Its already been set

NFL Network is reporting that the NFL salary cap is expected to reach $208.2 million in 2022, confirming that the salary cap will reach the max threshold agreed to by the NFL and NFLPA back in May.

2023 is when the big money TV deals kick in.