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Vacchiano: Daboll and Flores and the Giants

GFAN52 : 1/16/2022 2:35 pm
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The next general manager of the Giants might be the most important voice in the room when the team begins its search for a new head coach, especially if John Mara holds true to his promise that the next GM will have “the flexibility to bring in the head coach that he wants.”

But that doesn’t mean the Giants don’t already have a short list. And former Dolphins coach Brian Flores and Bills offensive coordinator Brian Daboll seem to be at the top.

Both of those coaches have been the subject of some discussion inside the Giants organization for quite some time, according to multiple sources familiar with their thinking, and they are both on the shortlists of several of the Giants’ nine GM candidates, according to various sources around the league. It’s possible that both coaches could get interviews with the Giants regardless of who is hired as the next GM.

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Daboll  
widmerseyebrow : 1/16/2022 2:39 pm : link
His offenses didn't have much success on multiple teams until these last two years. His work with Allen has been amazing but something to be wary of.
Good news  
arniefez : 1/16/2022 2:39 pm : link
I'd be happy with either of them.
I know as a job these media folks  
jvm52106 : 1/16/2022 2:40 pm : link
Need something new daily but these most recent articles are nothing but restating the obvious.

I am really interested in seeing where we go with GM asap and move on to the HC.
I do NOT get the attraction of Flores  
John In CO : 1/16/2022 2:40 pm : link
Not now....the man was just freaking fired less than a Month ago! People who get fired usually get fired for a reason. Is it possible to maybe find someone who didnt just wear out his welcome with another team? And enough with the damn NE connections!!! Try another team, try Buffalo, Baltimore, KC, anyone....
No thanks  
Mook80 : 1/16/2022 2:42 pm : link
on Flores.
Yawn  
Sammo85 : 1/16/2022 2:43 pm : link
These guys just need something to write about. They were all caught off guard and embarrassed themselves this week on Judges situation.

They don’t know anything.
How About Daboll For HC  
Trainmaster : 1/16/2022 2:43 pm : link
and Flores for DC?

Then IF Flores leaves in a year or two, we get more picks.

More likely Flores is a HC for the 2022 season, either for the Giants or another team.

RE: How About Daboll For HC  
GFAN52 : 1/16/2022 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15555711 Trainmaster said:
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and Flores for DC?

Then IF Flores leaves in a year or two, we get more picks.

More likely Flores is a HC for the 2022 season, either for the Giants or another team.


Flores most likely destination is Houston according to Tony Dungy.
We’ll, part of the attraction might be…  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/16/2022 2:47 pm : link
… that while the Giants will have to continue paying Joe Judge, the Dolphins could be on the hook for much of Flores’s paycheck for the next two years.

Just saying’.
I'm out on Flores....  
bw in dc : 1/16/2022 2:48 pm : link
too many local and Giants Way connections.
met vacchiano in Albany. As most “self viewed” celebrities he is  
plato : 1/16/2022 2:53 pm : link
middle of the class smart but arrogant, ignorant of much but impressed by his ideas, etc. I wouldn’t be hanging on any of his thoughts about the Giants or much of anything else.
RE: RE: How About Daboll For HC  
illmatic : 1/16/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15555715 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 15555711 Trainmaster said:


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and Flores for DC?

Then IF Flores leaves in a year or two, we get more picks.

More likely Flores is a HC for the 2022 season, either for the Giants or another team.




Flores most likely destination is Houston according to Tony Dungy.


Not surprising considering his absolute obsession with having Watson as his QB.
They should be walking before running  
Dave on the UWS : 1/16/2022 2:55 pm : link
100% focus on the GM search, THEN worry about the HC candidates.
RE: Daboll  
AdamBrag : 1/16/2022 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15555701 widmerseyebrow said:
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His offenses didn't have much success on multiple teams until these last two years. His work with Allen has been amazing but something to be wary of.


It seems like in recent years when someone becomes OC at Bama, they become a lot better a coach. It seems like that's what happened with Daboll.
RE: I do NOT get the attraction of Flores  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/16/2022 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15555704 John In CO said:
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Not now....the man was just freaking fired less than a Month ago! People who get fired usually get fired for a reason. Is it possible to maybe find someone who didnt just wear out his welcome with another team? And enough with the damn NE connections!!! Try another team, try Buffalo, Baltimore, KC, anyone....


Sure, Flores has flaws, but make no mistake about it…Stephen Ross is the biggest issue in Miami.

Say what you will, but Flores won 7 games in a row with a roster that isn’t very good.
RE: RE: I do NOT get the attraction of Flores  
Jay on the Island : 1/16/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15555757 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Sure, Flores has flaws, but make no mistake about it…Stephen Ross is the biggest issue in Miami.

Say what you will, but Flores won 7 games in a row with a roster that isn’t very good.

This, and the GM Chris Grier should have been fired. My buddy is a Dolphins fan and he is very knowledgeable about the sport. He's wanted Grier fired for the past two years and he was livid when they fired Flores instead of Grier.

Flores does have some red flags but the guy can coach. He elevated the play of that team especially during his first year. My main concern is that Flores is known to be difficult to work with and he will need a great OC to run the offense. He might have a difficult time attracting quality OC's to the team.
RE: RE: I do NOT get the attraction of Flores  
Sammo85 : 1/16/2022 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15555757 Vin_Cuccs said:
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In comment 15555704 John In CO said:


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Not now....the man was just freaking fired less than a Month ago! People who get fired usually get fired for a reason. Is it possible to maybe find someone who didnt just wear out his welcome with another team? And enough with the damn NE connections!!! Try another team, try Buffalo, Baltimore, KC, anyone....



Sure, Flores has flaws, but make no mistake about it…Stephen Ross is the biggest issue in Miami.

Say what you will, but Flores won 7 games in a row with a roster that isn’t very good.


He also lost 7 of his first eight playing checkers with his QBs and Flores meddling in how they employed their run game.

Flores much like Judge doesn’t seem able to attract good coaches to work with him and runs through them like Montezumas revenge.

Enough with the Patriot way and Belichick coaching tree. Time for that to go into the wood chipper of history.
So without knowing any of the real facts, the BBI squad is already  
Spider56 : 1/16/2022 3:54 pm : link
down on Flores ... yet he’s the only one of the named candidates that has proven experience as a HC and turning a turd around. Sheesh. Brooklyn born, BC educated, defensive guru. He’s my guy.
Just trying to piece this one together  
Shecky : 1/16/2022 4:07 pm : link
Ownerships is giving the new GM full autonomy on which coach to hire
But ownerships is, and has been for a while, leaning towards Daboll. And Flores, who no one was expecting to even be available.
But the GM gets to pick his own coach
And they have net even finished interviewing GMs, yet alone decided who they will hire
But the undecided upon GM is fully, 100% in charge of hiring his own coach.

This is some really strange logic and journalism…
RE: Daboll  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/16/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15555701 widmerseyebrow said:
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His offenses didn't have much success on multiple teams until these last two years. His work with Allen has been amazing but something to be wary of.


My personal opinion is that Daboll is a better-looking OC because of Ken Dorsey's impact as QB coach with Allen.

I'd be nervous as hell to hire Daboll.
RE: So without knowing any of the real facts, the BBI squad is already  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/16/2022 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15555863 Spider56 said:
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down on Flores ... yet he’s the only one of the named candidates that has proven experience as a HC and turning a turd around. Sheesh. Brooklyn born, BC educated, defensive guru. He’s my guy.


I don't get the Flores love. He might be good, but he's not yet gotten the team to the playoffs, didn't seem to do any developing with Tua, can't seem to keep a consistent coaching staff, and had a bad offensive line all three years while having a big say in personnel.
RE: I know as a job these media folks  
Gman11 : 1/16/2022 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15555703 jvm52106 said:
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Need something new daily but these most recent articles are nothing but restating the obvious.


It's not like his sources heard anything from anybody on the Giants. It's somebody "familiar with their thinking" whatever the hell that means.
Daboll/Flores  
Big_Pete : 1/16/2022 8:17 pm : link
I am not surprised if Daboll and Flores are high on the Giants radar.

The timing could be interesting though.

Flores has interviewed for the Texans and Bears. Given we are likely another week or so from hiring our GM (and we can start our coach search), is Brian Flores likely to wait for our gig to come up before making a decision?

With the Bills in the playoffs, it may be a little while before Daboll is available to interview, which likely suites our GM/ Coaching schedule.
RE: Daboll/Flores  
Sean : 1/16/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15556764 Big_Pete said:
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I am not surprised if Daboll and Flores are high on the Giants radar.

The timing could be interesting though.

Flores has interviewed for the Texans and Bears. Given we are likely another week or so from hiring our GM (and we can start our coach search), is Brian Flores likely to wait for our gig to come up before making a decision?

With the Bills in the playoffs, it may be a little while before Daboll is available to interview, which likely suites our GM/ Coaching schedule.

I’d expect the GM to be hired by the end of the week. They’ll finish out the first round of interviews tomorrow, determine the finalists & hammer out a deal.

Coach search begins immediately after. I’d expect both Flores & Daboll to be strongly considered.
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