I only watched the first half of the Philly game and I came away thinking Hurts is not a very good QB. He seems to just lob the ball to an area and his interception at the end of the half was the mark of poor QB. Dak's touchdown pass to Cooper was perfectly thrown and he makes these passes constantly. I don't see that kind of strike with Hurts or Jones for that matter.
He's just not.
He's just not.
Hurts just took an average team to the playoffs? He may not be a top 10 NFL QB, but he improved greatly over this season. If the Giants offered DJ for Hurts, the Eagles would laugh at the offer!
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It's not even open for discussion.
He's just not.
Hurts just took an average team to the playoffs? He may not be a top 10 NFL QB, but he improved greatly over this season. If the Giants offered DJ for Hurts, the Eagles would laugh at the offer!
He beat Bridgewater, Trevor Siemian, Jake Fromm, Garret Gilbert, Taylor Heineke (barely), Jared Goff, Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold and Matt Ryan on opening day. His teams always get off to “slow starts” and eventually the elite Offensive line overpowers the tired defenses because the defenses are out there all game with the three and outs with those non-nfl starting type QBs
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It's not even open for discussion.
He's just not.
Hurts just took an average team to the playoffs? He may not be a top 10 NFL QB, but he improved greatly over this season. If the Giants offered DJ for Hurts, the Eagles would laugh at the offer!
Pretty sure you got it backwards. The eagles took Hurts to the playoffs and ultimately shit the bed.
And remember Jones outplayed Hurts this year head to head lol.
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It's not even open for discussion.
He's just not.
What a stupid fucking comment
No, it's not a stupid comment.
Hurts is late on every throw he makes. He doesn't anticipate the top of the route and if his receiver is not wide open the defender has an excellent opportunity to make a play.
If not for Hurt's legs, he wouldn't be in the league.
He sucks, and I hope that the Eagles hang their hat on him for the next few years because, if they do, they will never be better than average.
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In comment 15556282 Hammer said:
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It's not even open for discussion.
He's just not.
What a stupid fucking comment
No, it's not a stupid comment.
Hurts is late on every throw he makes. He doesn't anticipate the top of the route and if his receiver is not wide open the defender has an excellent opportunity to make a play.
If not for Hurt's legs, he wouldn't be in the league.
He sucks, and I hope that the Eagles hang their hat on him for the next few years because, if they do, they will never be better than average.
Devonta Smith needs a QB who can make all the throws and Hurts can't do it. They have the three first round picks that are potential trade bait for a Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson, both of whom can make all the throws. If Eagles go with a QB in this draft there's no guarantee anyone from this draft is better than Hurts; that's how weak the QB class is
We just say Hernandez sucks and we need a better player. Sure there are other RGs who suck like he does, but it's not all that important to rank them.
They tried to turn him into a pocket passer, that’s not who he is
This is where I'm at. If Jones is on the Eagles, they win more than 9.
I've watched Hurts 4 times now, and he's looked no better than Jones every single time. Jones will probably have a long career as a solid backup in this league, but that's an absolute draft failure if you're drafting him 6th overall.
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In comment 15556108 Carl in CT said:
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NFC east
Is Jones no longer in the NFC East?
No shit! Jones is by far the worst QB in the division. Both of those guys give their team a chance to win every week.
Fucking delusional
All the arguments you make for danny “dimes” you can make for Darnold or Glennon. Darnold player on a piss team(s) w bad oline and Glennon had a great rookie year too.
Based on? Did jones even light up hid his high school league?
When you guys dig in your heels it’s truly a sight to behold.
If you want to live in the real world and find out what Hurts, Prescott, Jones, or any other player actually are...just go to the site linked below.
No excuses, no bullshit - ( New Window )
That being said neither guy is going to be the one to carry a team.
If you want to live in the real world and find out what Hurts, Prescott, Jones, or any other player actually are...just go to the site linked below. No excuses, no bullshit - ( New Window )
I have been all over that site, and I just can’t find the stat column for “Hurts just gets it done in the end zone” that you like to trot out. I guess you super users know your way around the site better though.
He did have 26 total TDs.
He did have 26 total TDs.
So did Jones his rookie year in 12 starts. Jones padded his stats his rookie year against shitty teams. So did Hurts.
He can’t throw. If you can’t throw and beat defenses with your arm in the playoffs, you’re not king for the league. Baltimore will learn this soon.
If you want to live in the real world and find out what Hurts, Prescott, Jones, or any other player actually are...just go to the site linked below. No excuses, no bullshit - ( New Window )
I like QBs who step up in big pressure and can actually throw the ball against good teams when playoff time comes.
Dak, Hurts, Lamar…. They can compliment stats in the regular season. Means shit come playoff time.
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the "If X was on some other team instead of the Giants he'd be better than Y" argument has been all over the place on BBI. It's not a good look.
If you want to live in the real world and find out what Hurts, Prescott, Jones, or any other player actually are...just go to the site linked below. No excuses, no bullshit - ( New Window )
I have been all over that site, and I just can’t find the stat column for “Hurts just gets it done in the end zone” that you like to trot out. I guess you super users know your way around the site better though.
Let me help you...
Team Red Zone Conversion Rate
Red Zone Passing
Red Zone Rushing (Jones way down the list)
on offense at 26.1. They were 2/5ths of a point out of 10th with Green Bay. That is where Hurts has delivered.
He did have 26 total TDs.
So did Jones his rookie year in 12 starts. Jones padded his stats his rookie year against shitty teams. So did Hurts.
He can’t throw. If you can’t throw and beat defenses with your arm in the playoffs, you’re not king for the league. Baltimore will learn this soon.
I'm not a Hurts guy for the reason you mentioned. But he can find the endzone.
With Jones as the starter in '19, the offense averaged 21PPG. And that was with Barkley playing most of the season.
But it would be like climbing Everest with him behind this OL. And throwing to a mental midget like Engram. That is the entire point that you are shitting on.
You wanted him in 2020, and now you won’t admit he can’t throw the ball. Ok cool. Good night.
I agree. It seems like to beat Philly all you need to do is get hurts to throw the ball.
You want reality, I posted it above.
Come on man. You think he’s be running all over the place and having time to throw with the Giants OL. Jones sucks- and Hurts would as well here CAUSE HE CANT THROW!
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for the millionth time, I did not bring up Jones. I am not arguing Jones is good. I am arguing Hurts is not. And if Hurts was on the Giants you would magically agree with me.
I agree. It seems like to beat Philly all you need to do is get hurts to throw the ball.
Look at what happens when we made Hurts throw in the first game. He was atrocious.
You want reality, I posted it above.
Just to confirm, it is your assertion that Jalen Hurts, in a Jason Garrett offense, with this offensive line, and these skill players, would be putting up 26 points a game? Well that’s one stab at reality. Okay, good night.
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on offense at 26.1. They were 2/5ths of a point out of 10th with Green Bay. That is where Hurts has delivered.
He did have 26 total TDs.
So did Jones his rookie year in 12 starts. Jones padded his stats his rookie year against shitty teams. So did Hurts.
He can’t throw. If you can’t throw and beat defenses with your arm in the playoffs, you’re not king for the league. Baltimore will learn this soon.
I'm not a Hurts guy for the reason you mentioned. But he can find the endzone.
With Jones as the starter in '19, the offense averaged 21PPG. And that was with Barkley playing most of the season.
Barkley also isn’t that good.
And let’s not act like 26 TDs in 15 games is some great number either. The Giants incompetency has brainwashed our fans thinking what others QBs are doing is great. When I’m fact, it’s pretty ordinary.
Hurts blows. And people thinking he would make our offense something anything more than average is just fooling themselves. Hurts behind thisnOL and injured WR core would be a comedy show like we watched this year.
I'm not a Hurts guy for the reason you mentioned. But he can find the endzone.
With Jones as the starter in '19, the offense averaged 21PPG. And that was with Barkley playing most of the season.
Barkley also isn’t that good.
And let’s not act like 26 TDs in 15 games is some great number either. The Giants incompetency has brainwashed our fans thinking what others QBs are doing is great. When I’m fact, it’s pretty ordinary.
Hurts blows. And people thinking he would make our offense something anything more than average is just fooling themselves. Hurts behind thisnOL and injured WR core would be a comedy show like we watched this year.
I hope your first paragraph isn't directed towards me. I never said Hurts was "great", and think Philly needs to consider other options going forward.
Compared to what Jones "produces", however, 26 TDs is great.
And let's be honest, Philly doesn't have top tier offensive weapons either.
I agree, btw, Jones didn't have preferred pass protection. But I also believe Jones doesn't do nearly enough to offset the team's deficiencies.
Ok, and yet again, I am not debating the difference between the performances of the two players. I did not bring up Jones. I am not arguing Jones is good or better. I am simply arguing Hurts is not good. You keep injecting Jones because the comparison makes if useful for your argument that Hurts is a good player, when really all it shows is that he has better stats than a player that is not part of the debate. Carry on.
I'd try to improve on him, but he isn't the incompetent he's being made out to be here.
I'd try to improve on him, but he isn't the incompetent he's being made out to be here.
Eagles will definitely be in the Russell Wilson trade talks at some point. They have to know Hurts won't get them any further than he did this year. Devonta Smith was running wide open pretty much every game and Hurts never got the ball to him
And the Eagles are not good. They pretty much had zero chance to win a playoff game. And they're obviously by far the worst NFC playoff team. If you simulate the season 1000 times, the top 6 would make the playoffs a lot. The Eagles would not. QB is their biggest weakness.
They beat up on trash teams/QBs down the stretch of the year - they are not built to beat good teams.
If I had to have one of these guys as my QB1 and I was basing my choice on what they’ve done in college and in the NFL then Hurts is the easy choice.
If you want to live in the real world and find out what Hurts, Prescott, Jones, or any other player actually are...just go to the site linked below. No excuses, no bullshit - ( New Window )
What a shock! you conveniently ignore the stark difference in offense talent between what Jones has s the other QB’s
But that fucks with your narrative, so…..
Once again, you fucking ignore the talent each has…
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the "If X was on some other team instead of the Giants he'd be better than Y" argument has been all over the place on BBI. It's not a good look.
If you want to live in the real world and find out what Hurts, Prescott, Jones, or any other player actually are...just go to the site linked below. No excuses, no bullshit - ( New Window )
What a shock! you conveniently ignore the stark difference in offense talent between what Jones has s the other QB’s
But that fucks with your narrative, so…..
You keep saying I have a narrative. What's my narrative?
That's on Jones. He's garbage. And to try to compare him to Dak is an insult to our intelligence.