He legit plays on an all star roster. He’s the reason they don’t advance year after year. Go look at his splits. Check the box scores for each game. Lights up poor competition and plays poorly vs better teams. It’s all right there. He’s an average QB. Dallas fans see it
You couldn't get Dak for Jones, any three players on our roster and two first round picks.
You're delusional.
Game in, game out, Dak is superior to DJ, and I'm a big DJ fan.
Even if you discount the protection Dak is given, and the run game the Boys have, Dak is the better quarterback. BUT he is maybe even more inconsistent than Daniel, and Dak has seldom played well in the clutch, whereas we've seldom even SEEN DJ in the clutch. Nor have we seen DJ with the time, and the weapons, Dak has.
In short, I'd take Dak to get me to the playoffs, and I think I'd take Daniel IN the playoffs.
RE: Game in, game out, Dak is superior to DJ, and I'm a big DJ fan.
Even if you discount the protection Dak is given, and the run game the Boys have, Dak is the better quarterback. BUT he is maybe even more inconsistent than Daniel, and Dak has seldom played well in the clutch, whereas we've seldom even SEEN DJ in the clutch. Nor have we seen DJ with the time, and the weapons, Dak has.
In short, I'd take Dak to get me to the playoffs, and I think I'd take Daniel IN the playoffs.
Ridiculous, Jones is garbage and Dak is a top-10 NFL QB.
Jones is better than the Dallas back up Cooper Rush. Who subbed for Dak this year and won in Minnesota with a very nice game.
Dak is so overrated. Surrounded with talent. He can’t carry a team. Locks in to one receiver, doesn't see field, not accurate and can’t throw receiver open. Folds like a cheap suit against better teams. Pads stats against weaker teams. $40M in cap space.
I think he's overpaid, too.
Every good QB in the NFL, btw, is surrounded with talent. So that argument is silly.
But he's a top ten QB. Whether you like it or not. And to say he's not accurate is buffoonery. He's a career 67% passer.
I guess you don’t watch Cowboys because everything you say about Dak is incorrect. He doesn’t beat the better teams but pads stats against weaker. Look at his stats. Has one playoff win. Cowboy roster is stacked on offense.
Win that game. Prescott missed WR after WR in the game. As bad as the play call was at the end of the game this dumbass has to know how much time is on the clock and when he needs to slide to get another play off.
He put up regular season numbers Eli couldn't match, most football people probably would have said that Romo was the better quarterback, but Romo won only two playoff games, while Eli won twice that many in one season.
So far Dak has played a lot like Romo. He had the game in front of him, he had the ball with decent field position with lots of time to take his team downfield and win the game and he didn't.
Not saying Eli was better than Romo, but it's kind of interesting if Cowboy fans would trade regular season success for a Super Bowl win.
Despite all the miseries of the Manning and post-Manning years, I wouldn't give up those two incredible winning years. Cause it just doesn't get any higher than that for an NFL fan.
I have no idea how you can't say Eli was better. It is without question given what each accomplished in their career. Eli did it with less talent
He wasn’t drafted to rebuild a franchise. Romo took that same exact team one pass away from a championship game which was actually caught by dez. He was put into a great position. It’s rare but he lucked into it. They come up short year after year and it falls on dak. 7 points before the 4th quarter today.
Reminder - Jones was drafted to rebuild a franchise as the 6th pick. Dak was drafted as a project with the 135th pick.
Who has done more with their opportunity?
"...lucked into it..." JFC, you are embarrassing.
Were you surprised the 49ers won?
Exactly my point. He was drafted to a ready made team. Is jones team ready? Is it anywhere close to what Dallas has? In fact the team has been worse year in and year out. It’s hilarious you say project. Nobody cares what he was drafted as. Lamar was a project too so we grade him on the project scale? No! You grade him on what he’s doing with what he has to work with. Dak has underperformed in every big spot including regular season games since he’s been drafted. You can’t argue anything different
Was I surprised. No but was i shocked when Dallas scored 7 points through 3 quarters and Dak missing open guys and not running when he had the chance, yes.
Brady
Rodgers
Mahomes
Allen
Herbert
Burrow
Jackson
Wilson
Stafford
Murray
Those are probably the guys who are better than Dak. Even then, you could argue Dak over some of them. I'd put him next following those guys at 11th, unless I'm blanking on someone.
Brady
Rodgers
Mahomes
Allen
Herbert
Burrow
Jackson
Wilson
Stafford
Murray
Those are probably the guys who are better than Dak. Even then, you could argue Dak over some of them. I'd put him next following those guys at 11th, unless I'm blanking on someone.
My debate is cousins or Prescott. The difference between them is small. Prescott runs better, Cousins protects it a little better. I’d still consider Tannehill as well. Dude is a gamer.
With a QB record of 12-25, is a great QB. Pigs fly too I guess. On this day we have to hear this bullshit. It's going to be clear how bad Daniel Jones is and these people are going to hide, as usual, and deny, as usual, when that day comes. Don't bet on Jones ever playing again either. You are his face. Does he look like a guy ready to go. He will probably take his money and excuse out the door. Along with his stupid fans.
Dak Prescott is not a great QB, although he is way better then Jones, and Hurts is a lousy QB, it does not make Jones good. In fact it makes Jones worse then we think. He can't even beat poor competition. And fuck the offensive line excuses, Joe Burrow has a worse offensive line and look at the difference between him and Danny boy. The reason this franchise is this horrible is because we drafted Barkley with the 2nd pick and Jones with a 6th pick. Sure Gettleman is to blame for doing it, but when you draft picks in the 2nd and 6th slit snd they stink, it sets your franchise back 3-5 years. Count how many year we have been horrible. It'd because of those two draft pucks more then anything else by far.
RE: RE: RE: Lol career 67 percent. Who gives a shit
Reminder - Jones was drafted to rebuild a franchise as the 6th pick. Dak was drafted as a project with the 135th pick.
Who has done more with their opportunity?
"...lucked into it..." JFC, you are embarrassing.
Were you surprised the 49ers won?
Exactly my point. He was drafted to a ready made team. Is jones team ready? Is it anywhere close to what Dallas has? In fact the team has been worse year in and year out. It’s hilarious you say project. Nobody cares what he was drafted as. Lamar was a project too so we grade him on the project scale? No! You grade him on what he’s doing with what he has to work with. Dak has underperformed in every big spot including regular season games since he’s been drafted. You can’t argue anything different
Was I surprised. No but was i shocked when Dallas scored 7 points through 3 quarters and Dak missing open guys and not running when he had the chance, yes.
The 49ers were the sexy pick going into the weekend. They have a top ten defense (in PPG allowed) and a top 12 offense (in PPG scored). And they played in the best division in football. So, good teams with good defenses can beat teams with good QBs. Which is exactly what happened yesterday. Perhaps the better way to look at this is to give more credit to the 49ers for playing a better game.
Your comments are really naive. Playing QB in the NFL is hard, regardless if you have a "read-made" team. Yet, Dak hit the ground running when he was unexpectedly thrust into the role of starter when Romo when down. Just go look at his numbers. As a rookie he was 23/4, 68% completion, 8 YPA, and a 77 QBR. Those numbers don't impress you??
Before Jerry overpaid Dak, which I conceded, Dallas got a helluva lot more out of their investment in Dak than we have with Jones. It isn't even close.
Too many Giants fans live in glass houses when they throw their stones at QBs for other teams. In this case, it's petty and give off a horrible stench of jealousy.
But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
You want to talk QB. How does 27 sound for yesterday’s performance
Reminder - Jones was drafted to rebuild a franchise as the 6th pick. Dak was drafted as a project with the 135th pick.
Who has done more with their opportunity?
"...lucked into it..." JFC, you are embarrassing.
Were you surprised the 49ers won?
Exactly my point. He was drafted to a ready made team. Is jones team ready? Is it anywhere close to what Dallas has? In fact the team has been worse year in and year out. It’s hilarious you say project. Nobody cares what he was drafted as. Lamar was a project too so we grade him on the project scale? No! You grade him on what he’s doing with what he has to work with. Dak has underperformed in every big spot including regular season games since he’s been drafted. You can’t argue anything different
Was I surprised. No but was i shocked when Dallas scored 7 points through 3 quarters and Dak missing open guys and not running when he had the chance, yes.
The 49ers were the sexy pick going into the weekend. They have a top ten defense (in PPG allowed) and a top 12 offense (in PPG scored). And they played in the best division in football. So, good teams with good defenses can beat teams with good QBs. Which is exactly what happened yesterday. Perhaps the better way to look at this is to give more credit to the 49ers for playing a better game.
Your comments are really naive. Playing QB in the NFL is hard, regardless if you have a "read-made" team. Yet, Dak hit the ground running when he was unexpectedly thrust into the role of starter when Romo when down. Just go look at his numbers. As a rookie he was 23/4, 68% completion, 8 YPA, and a 77 QBR. Those numbers don't impress you??
Before Jerry overpaid Dak, which I conceded, Dallas got a helluva lot more out of their investment in Dak than we have with Jones. It isn't even close.
Too many Giants fans live in glass houses when they throw their stones at QBs for other teams. In this case, it's petty and give off a horrible stench of jealousy.
Good post. The Niners defense played really well yesterday. And they played ball control. They are a tough match up for Green Bay.
But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
Dak is "overrated" because he's had success.
That doesn't make him a better QB than DJ.
DJ couldn't possibly be "overrated" because he sucks.
RE: RE: It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better
But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
Dak is "overrated" because he's had success.
That doesn't make him a better QB than DJ.
DJ couldn't possibly be "overrated" because he sucks.
I should say "better or worse" QB than DJ.
Dak's a better QB than DJ because he's a better QB than DJ.
The level of some fans' optimism defies logic.
You think DJ is better than Dak (or Hurts, separate thread, same topic)? Fine. Is it because you think those QBs couldn't possibly reach the excellence of DJ Or because those other QBs are just not good enough?
If your answer is the former, I think Eric should ban your handle and the internet should ban your IP. If your answer is the latter, what's the point? Is having the best loser QB some sort of consolation prize that you need in order to cheer yourself on at your next neighborhood pancake breakfast?
The goal is to win Super Bowls. Jones being the tallest or shortest of a limited group of contestants doesn't get us any closer to the 5th trophy.
RE: It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better
But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
Who fucking cares?
If you have a QB who can't overcome literally any bit of surrounding adversity, you need a new QB.
RE: RE: It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better
But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
Who fucking cares?
If you have a QB who can't overcome literally any bit of surrounding adversity, you need a new QB.
Literally. First thing I said is “I’m not saying jones is better” but people calling Dak a top 10 QB are nuts. He’s about average at best. My post has zero to do with daniel jones and more to do about people citing daks statistics. He shrinks in big games example 27 QBR yesterday. That takes into account the pass rush he saw, his WR drops etc. it’s everything. He comes up small in big games it’s been his MO since he became the starting QB and took over a team that was a completion away from a title game
What about a QB who can’t do much with the talent given
Forget adversity how about the opposite of that which is unbelievable roster building talent and flopping year after year. New coach same story. Look at the chiefs. Swapped out Alex smith for mahomes and there headed to another super bowl. Same coach different QB. It’s clear as day. Dak is not a difference maker as much as people pretend he’s an elite QB
But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
Who fucking cares?
If you have a QB who can't overcome literally any bit of surrounding adversity, you need a new QB.
Literally. First thing I said is “I’m not saying jones is better” but people calling Dak a top 10 QB are nuts. He’s about average at best. My post has zero to do with daniel jones and more to do about people citing daks statistics. He shrinks in big games example 27 QBR yesterday. That takes into account the pass rush he saw, his WR drops etc. it’s everything. He comes up small in big games it’s been his MO since he became the starting QB and took over a team that was a completion away from a title game
This is a lot like the debate I got into with Carl Banks a few days ago.
WFC if we're the best in the division, the goal is to be the best in the NFL.
So maybe there are some things where Dak is overrated (I agree), and maybe he isn't what some would consider a contender's QB (I agree, generally). But the goal shouldn't be to outrun the fattest guy in your campground; it should be to outrun the bear.
RE: It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better
But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
I agree having talent helps. But the QB still has to deliver - make the calls, reads, and deliver the ball. I really think you take for granted how challenging that is.
The Cowboys record when Dak starts is 53-32, a 62% winning % clip. And they have 5 of out 6 winning seasons with him at the helm.
For his career, Dak has 143 TDs/50 INTs, 7.6 YPA 7.9 AY/A, 67% completion %, and a 60+ QBR. Sorry, but that is really good and top ten material.
With only 16/17 games in a season, EVERY game is important. While Dak and the Boys absolutely need to be better in the playoffs (although they did lose a heart breaker on the miracle drive by Rodgers three years ago in Dallas), they have largely performed in the regular season. That's undeniable. And until this year, Dak has been shouldering a lot of that without a quality defense.
I bet you if I showed you those stats, and I just called the player "Player X", you would say that is a very good QB. How could you not?
RE: RE: It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better
But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
I agree having talent helps. But the QB still has to deliver - make the calls, reads, and deliver the ball. I really think you take for granted how challenging that is.
The Cowboys record when Dak starts is 53-32, a 62% winning % clip. And they have 5 of out 6 winning seasons with him at the helm.
For his career, Dak has 143 TDs/50 INTs, 7.6 YPA 7.9 AY/A, 67% completion %, and a 60+ QBR. Sorry, but that is really good and top ten material.
With only 16/17 games in a season, EVERY game is important. While Dak and the Boys absolutely need to be better in the playoffs (although they did lose a heart breaker on the miracle drive by Rodgers three years ago in Dallas), they have largely performed in the regular season. That's undeniable. And until this year, Dak has been shouldering a lot of that without a quality defense.
I bet you if I showed you those stats, and I just called the player "Player X", you would say that is a very good QB. How could you not?
The painfully vast majority of BBI doesn't watch any NFL games other than those that the Giants are participating in.
And that's fine, except for the part where they accidentally remind everyone else about it daily.
He's most certainly not a Top 5 QB, but he's in that 5-12 mix.
He's certainly better than a guy like Cousins who was another guy our NFC East rivals paid big money to.
Jones has shown absolutely nothing to say he would win that game.
5-12 is quite a spread. On DJ how can you make a comparison ? Giants worse offense in league.
I think Dak and Cousins are pretty comparable. Dak is probably just inside the top 10 and Cousins just outside but on cusp of top 10. Both can light it up at times and also throw up a stinker every now and then, but both have shown themselves to be very productive QBs in this league.
DJ isn’t not there with either, even recognizing he plays with lesser talent around him.
Not certain why Dak can’t put it together in playoffs but yesterday was not a goid showing by offense. Cooper got hot for a bit and Schulz somewhat, but where the hell were plays for Lamb, Zeke, Pollard? Did all the penalties just keep them from showing off their stars?
First, we had LT as a one dimensional player. Then Daniel Jones wins that game for the Cowboys because of one play, completely ignoring the 59 minutes before. Now, Dak sucks. Sorry, I hate the Cowboys as much as the next guy, but Prescott has done nothing but put up impressive numbers and has actually improved each year. Last year without him shows how integral he is to their team. This guy is without question a top 10 QB in the league, and quite likely top 5. Just because we hate the Cowboys, that doesn't change.
And Murray is a better runner, more accurate.
What does Dak do better than Murray? Play with better people? Feasting on the Giants and shitbird teams doesn’t make you top 10.
And Murray is a better runner, more accurate.
What does Dak do better than Murray? Play with better people? Feasting on the Giants and shitbird teams doesn’t make you top 10.
Uh, Dak had a better completion %, YPA, A/YA, and more TDs than Tannehill.
Dak has a career QBR well over 60. Murray is in the 50s.
You really have a lose definition of "clearly".
I don't know how he does it.
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He legit plays on an all star roster. He’s the reason they don’t advance year after year. Go look at his splits. Check the box scores for each game. Lights up poor competition and plays poorly vs better teams. It’s all right there. He’s an average QB. Dallas fans see it
You couldn't get Dak for Jones, any three players on our roster and two first round picks.
You're delusional.
In short, I'd take Dak to get me to the playoffs, and I think I'd take Daniel IN the playoffs.
In short, I'd take Dak to get me to the playoffs, and I think I'd take Daniel IN the playoffs.
Ridiculous, Jones is garbage and Dak is a top-10 NFL QB.
There is no objectivity on this board.
I don't know how he does it.
Hopkins has been hurt for weeks. Ertz and Green are washed up. Come on your better than this. Does he play with perennial all pros on the OL?
1.) Jones fumbles
2.) They end up kicking FGs instead of scoring TDs
2.) A combo of the above.
1.) Jones fumbles
2.) They end up kicking FGs instead of scoring TDs
2.) A combo of the above.
Well not to defend but that should have happened but Jimmy G is pretty bad too.
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Jones is better than the Dallas back up Cooper Rush. Who subbed for Dak this year and won in Minnesota with a very nice game.
Dak is so overrated. Surrounded with talent. He can’t carry a team. Locks in to one receiver, doesn't see field, not accurate and can’t throw receiver open. Folds like a cheap suit against better teams. Pads stats against weaker teams. $40M in cap space.
I think he's overpaid, too.
Every good QB in the NFL, btw, is surrounded with talent. So that argument is silly.
But he's a top ten QB. Whether you like it or not. And to say he's not accurate is buffoonery. He's a career 67% passer.
I guess you don’t watch Cowboys because everything you say about Dak is incorrect. He doesn’t beat the better teams but pads stats against weaker. Look at his stats. Has one playoff win. Cowboy roster is stacked on offense.
So far Dak has played a lot like Romo. He had the game in front of him, he had the ball with decent field position with lots of time to take his team downfield and win the game and he didn't.
Not saying Eli was better than Romo, but it's kind of interesting if Cowboy fans would trade regular season success for a Super Bowl win.
Despite all the miseries of the Manning and post-Manning years, I wouldn't give up those two incredible winning years. Cause it just doesn't get any higher than that for an NFL fan.
I have no idea how you can't say Eli was better. It is without question given what each accomplished in their career. Eli did it with less talent
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He wasn’t drafted to rebuild a franchise. Romo took that same exact team one pass away from a championship game which was actually caught by dez. He was put into a great position. It’s rare but he lucked into it. They come up short year after year and it falls on dak. 7 points before the 4th quarter today.
Reminder - Jones was drafted to rebuild a franchise as the 6th pick. Dak was drafted as a project with the 135th pick.
Who has done more with their opportunity?
"...lucked into it..." JFC, you are embarrassing.
Were you surprised the 49ers won?
Exactly my point. He was drafted to a ready made team. Is jones team ready? Is it anywhere close to what Dallas has? In fact the team has been worse year in and year out. It’s hilarious you say project. Nobody cares what he was drafted as. Lamar was a project too so we grade him on the project scale? No! You grade him on what he’s doing with what he has to work with. Dak has underperformed in every big spot including regular season games since he’s been drafted. You can’t argue anything different
Was I surprised. No but was i shocked when Dallas scored 7 points through 3 quarters and Dak missing open guys and not running when he had the chance, yes.
I'll leave it at that.
I'll leave it at that.
And this should end thread.
He's certainly better than a guy like Cousins who was another guy our NFC East rivals paid big money to.
Jones has shown absolutely nothing to say he would win that game.
Rodgers
Mahomes
Allen
Herbert
Burrow
Jackson
Wilson
Stafford
Murray
Those are probably the guys who are better than Dak. Even then, you could argue Dak over some of them. I'd put him next following those guys at 11th, unless I'm blanking on someone.
Rodgers
Mahomes
Allen
Herbert
Burrow
Jackson
Wilson
Stafford
Murray
Those are probably the guys who are better than Dak. Even then, you could argue Dak over some of them. I'd put him next following those guys at 11th, unless I'm blanking on someone.
My debate is cousins or Prescott. The difference between them is small. Prescott runs better, Cousins protects it a little better. I’d still consider Tannehill as well. Dude is a gamer.
Reminder - Jones was drafted to rebuild a franchise as the 6th pick. Dak was drafted as a project with the 135th pick.
Who has done more with their opportunity?
"...lucked into it..." JFC, you are embarrassing.
Were you surprised the 49ers won?
Exactly my point. He was drafted to a ready made team. Is jones team ready? Is it anywhere close to what Dallas has? In fact the team has been worse year in and year out. It’s hilarious you say project. Nobody cares what he was drafted as. Lamar was a project too so we grade him on the project scale? No! You grade him on what he’s doing with what he has to work with. Dak has underperformed in every big spot including regular season games since he’s been drafted. You can’t argue anything different
Was I surprised. No but was i shocked when Dallas scored 7 points through 3 quarters and Dak missing open guys and not running when he had the chance, yes.
The 49ers were the sexy pick going into the weekend. They have a top ten defense (in PPG allowed) and a top 12 offense (in PPG scored). And they played in the best division in football. So, good teams with good defenses can beat teams with good QBs. Which is exactly what happened yesterday. Perhaps the better way to look at this is to give more credit to the 49ers for playing a better game.
Your comments are really naive. Playing QB in the NFL is hard, regardless if you have a "read-made" team. Yet, Dak hit the ground running when he was unexpectedly thrust into the role of starter when Romo when down. Just go look at his numbers. As a rookie he was 23/4, 68% completion, 8 YPA, and a 77 QBR. Those numbers don't impress you??
Before Jerry overpaid Dak, which I conceded, Dallas got a helluva lot more out of their investment in Dak than we have with Jones. It isn't even close.
Too many Giants fans live in glass houses when they throw their stones at QBs for other teams. In this case, it's petty and give off a horrible stench of jealousy.
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Reminder - Jones was drafted to rebuild a franchise as the 6th pick. Dak was drafted as a project with the 135th pick.
Who has done more with their opportunity?
"...lucked into it..." JFC, you are embarrassing.
Were you surprised the 49ers won?
Exactly my point. He was drafted to a ready made team. Is jones team ready? Is it anywhere close to what Dallas has? In fact the team has been worse year in and year out. It’s hilarious you say project. Nobody cares what he was drafted as. Lamar was a project too so we grade him on the project scale? No! You grade him on what he’s doing with what he has to work with. Dak has underperformed in every big spot including regular season games since he’s been drafted. You can’t argue anything different
Was I surprised. No but was i shocked when Dallas scored 7 points through 3 quarters and Dak missing open guys and not running when he had the chance, yes.
The 49ers were the sexy pick going into the weekend. They have a top ten defense (in PPG allowed) and a top 12 offense (in PPG scored). And they played in the best division in football. So, good teams with good defenses can beat teams with good QBs. Which is exactly what happened yesterday. Perhaps the better way to look at this is to give more credit to the 49ers for playing a better game.
Your comments are really naive. Playing QB in the NFL is hard, regardless if you have a "read-made" team. Yet, Dak hit the ground running when he was unexpectedly thrust into the role of starter when Romo when down. Just go look at his numbers. As a rookie he was 23/4, 68% completion, 8 YPA, and a 77 QBR. Those numbers don't impress you??
Before Jerry overpaid Dak, which I conceded, Dallas got a helluva lot more out of their investment in Dak than we have with Jones. It isn't even close.
Too many Giants fans live in glass houses when they throw their stones at QBs for other teams. In this case, it's petty and give off a horrible stench of jealousy.
The niners would have eaten and digested Daniel jones yesterday even if he’s on Dallas.
I need to be fair.
Dak is "overrated" because he's had success.
That doesn't make him a better QB than DJ.
DJ couldn't possibly be "overrated" because he sucks.
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But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
Dak is "overrated" because he's had success.
That doesn't make him a better QB than DJ.
DJ couldn't possibly be "overrated" because he sucks.
I should say "better or worse" QB than DJ.
Dak's a better QB than DJ because he's a better QB than DJ.
The level of some fans' optimism defies logic.
You think DJ is better than Dak (or Hurts, separate thread, same topic)? Fine. Is it because you think those QBs couldn't possibly reach the excellence of DJ Or because those other QBs are just not good enough?
If your answer is the former, I think Eric should ban your handle and the internet should ban your IP. If your answer is the latter, what's the point? Is having the best loser QB some sort of consolation prize that you need in order to cheer yourself on at your next neighborhood pancake breakfast?
The goal is to win Super Bowls. Jones being the tallest or shortest of a limited group of contestants doesn't get us any closer to the 5th trophy.
Who fucking cares?
If you have a QB who can't overcome literally any bit of surrounding adversity, you need a new QB.
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But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
Who fucking cares?
If you have a QB who can't overcome literally any bit of surrounding adversity, you need a new QB.
Literally. First thing I said is “I’m not saying jones is better” but people calling Dak a top 10 QB are nuts. He’s about average at best. My post has zero to do with daniel jones and more to do about people citing daks statistics. He shrinks in big games example 27 QBR yesterday. That takes into account the pass rush he saw, his WR drops etc. it’s everything. He comes up small in big games it’s been his MO since he became the starting QB and took over a team that was a completion away from a title game
He's certainly better than a guy like Cousins who was another guy our NFC East rivals paid big money to.
Jones has shown absolutely nothing to say he would win that game.
5-12 is quite a spread. On DJ how can you make a comparison ? Giants worse offense in league.
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But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
Who fucking cares?
If you have a QB who can't overcome literally any bit of surrounding adversity, you need a new QB.
Literally. First thing I said is “I’m not saying jones is better” but people calling Dak a top 10 QB are nuts. He’s about average at best. My post has zero to do with daniel jones and more to do about people citing daks statistics. He shrinks in big games example 27 QBR yesterday. That takes into account the pass rush he saw, his WR drops etc. it’s everything. He comes up small in big games it’s been his MO since he became the starting QB and took over a team that was a completion away from a title game
This is a lot like the debate I got into with Carl Banks a few days ago.
WFC if we're the best in the division, the goal is to be the best in the NFL.
So maybe there are some things where Dak is overrated (I agree), and maybe he isn't what some would consider a contender's QB (I agree, generally). But the goal shouldn't be to outrun the fattest guy in your campground; it should be to outrun the bear.
I agree having talent helps. But the QB still has to deliver - make the calls, reads, and deliver the ball. I really think you take for granted how challenging that is.
The Cowboys record when Dak starts is 53-32, a 62% winning % clip. And they have 5 of out 6 winning seasons with him at the helm.
For his career, Dak has 143 TDs/50 INTs, 7.6 YPA 7.9 AY/A, 67% completion %, and a 60+ QBR. Sorry, but that is really good and top ten material.
With only 16/17 games in a season, EVERY game is important. While Dak and the Boys absolutely need to be better in the playoffs (although they did lose a heart breaker on the miracle drive by Rodgers three years ago in Dallas), they have largely performed in the regular season. That's undeniable. And until this year, Dak has been shouldering a lot of that without a quality defense.
I bet you if I showed you those stats, and I just called the player "Player X", you would say that is a very good QB. How could you not?
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But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
I agree having talent helps. But the QB still has to deliver - make the calls, reads, and deliver the ball. I really think you take for granted how challenging that is.
The Cowboys record when Dak starts is 53-32, a 62% winning % clip. And they have 5 of out 6 winning seasons with him at the helm.
For his career, Dak has 143 TDs/50 INTs, 7.6 YPA 7.9 AY/A, 67% completion %, and a 60+ QBR. Sorry, but that is really good and top ten material.
With only 16/17 games in a season, EVERY game is important. While Dak and the Boys absolutely need to be better in the playoffs (although they did lose a heart breaker on the miracle drive by Rodgers three years ago in Dallas), they have largely performed in the regular season. That's undeniable. And until this year, Dak has been shouldering a lot of that without a quality defense.
I bet you if I showed you those stats, and I just called the player "Player X", you would say that is a very good QB. How could you not?
The painfully vast majority of BBI doesn't watch any NFL games other than those that the Giants are participating in.
And that's fine, except for the part where they accidentally remind everyone else about it daily.
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He's most certainly not a Top 5 QB, but he's in that 5-12 mix.
He's certainly better than a guy like Cousins who was another guy our NFC East rivals paid big money to.
Jones has shown absolutely nothing to say he would win that game.
5-12 is quite a spread. On DJ how can you make a comparison ? Giants worse offense in league.
I think Dak and Cousins are pretty comparable. Dak is probably just inside the top 10 and Cousins just outside but on cusp of top 10. Both can light it up at times and also throw up a stinker every now and then, but both have shown themselves to be very productive QBs in this league.
DJ isn’t not there with either, even recognizing he plays with lesser talent around him.
Not certain why Dak can’t put it together in playoffs but yesterday was not a goid showing by offense. Cooper got hot for a bit and Schulz somewhat, but where the hell were plays for Lamb, Zeke, Pollard? Did all the penalties just keep them from showing off their stars?
I wonder if we need to revisit that after Kyler's performance tonight...
Yes, there have been. But this OP isn't being sarcastic.
Do us all a favor and wipe the drool off of the OP's chin though, if you don't mind.