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Daniel Jones wins that game for the cowboys.

broadbandz : 1/16/2022 8:10 pm
I realize Jones is being replaced by the new gm. But he really is the best QB in the nfc east. Hurts and Dak are down right awful.
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Tannehill  
GNewGiants : 1/16/2022 9:16 pm : link
Lost his best RB, two best WR for games this year, his LT, and other OL throughout the year. Still led them to the 1 seed.

And Murray is a better runner, more accurate.

What does Dak do better than Murray? Play with better people? Feasting on the Giants and shitbird teams doesn’t make you top 10.
RE: Tannehill  
bw in dc : 1/16/2022 9:21 pm : link
In comment 15556934 GNewGiants said:
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Lost his best RB, two best WR for games this year, his LT, and other OL throughout the year. Still led them to the 1 seed.

And Murray is a better runner, more accurate.

What does Dak do better than Murray? Play with better people? Feasting on the Giants and shitbird teams doesn’t make you top 10.


Uh, Dak had a better completion %, YPA, A/YA, and more TDs than Tannehill.

Dak has a career QBR well over 60. Murray is in the 50s.

You really have a lose definition of "clearly".
Yeah, Murray plays with some real bums...  
bw in dc : 1/16/2022 9:24 pm : link
with Hopkins, Green, Ertz, Kirk, Moore, Conner, etc.

I don't know how he does it.

RE: RE: yea ok..  
Producer : 1/16/2022 9:24 pm : link
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He legit plays on an all star roster. He’s the reason they don’t advance year after year. Go look at his splits. Check the box scores for each game. Lights up poor competition and plays poorly vs better teams. It’s all right there. He’s an average QB. Dallas fans see it


You couldn't get Dak for Jones, any three players on our roster and two first round picks.

You're delusional.
Game in, game out, Dak is superior to DJ, and I'm a big DJ fan.  
CT Charlie : 1/16/2022 9:26 pm : link
Even if you discount the protection Dak is given, and the run game the Boys have, Dak is the better quarterback. BUT he is maybe even more inconsistent than Daniel, and Dak has seldom played well in the clutch, whereas we've seldom even SEEN DJ in the clutch. Nor have we seen DJ with the time, and the weapons, Dak has.

In short, I'd take Dak to get me to the playoffs, and I think I'd take Daniel IN the playoffs.
RE: Game in, game out, Dak is superior to DJ, and I'm a big DJ fan.  
Producer : 1/16/2022 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15556955 CT Charlie said:
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Even if you discount the protection Dak is given, and the run game the Boys have, Dak is the better quarterback. BUT he is maybe even more inconsistent than Daniel, and Dak has seldom played well in the clutch, whereas we've seldom even SEEN DJ in the clutch. Nor have we seen DJ with the time, and the weapons, Dak has.

In short, I'd take Dak to get me to the playoffs, and I think I'd take Daniel IN the playoffs.


Ridiculous, Jones is garbage and Dak is a top-10 NFL QB.

There is no objectivity on this board.
RE: Yeah, Murray plays with some real bums...  
GNewGiants : 1/16/2022 9:30 pm : link
In comment 15556950 bw in dc said:
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with Hopkins, Green, Ertz, Kirk, Moore, Conner, etc.

I don't know how he does it.


Hopkins has been hurt for weeks. Ertz and Green are washed up. Come on your better than this. Does he play with perennial all pros on the OL?
If Jones  
Scooter185 : 1/16/2022 9:48 pm : link
Was playing today instead of Dak, the cowboys lose by a couple of scores because

1.) Jones fumbles
2.) They end up kicking FGs instead of scoring TDs
2.) A combo of the above.
RE: If Jones  
GNewGiants : 1/16/2022 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15556994 Scooter185 said:
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Was playing today instead of Dak, the cowboys lose by a couple of scores because

1.) Jones fumbles
2.) They end up kicking FGs instead of scoring TDs
2.) A combo of the above.


Well not to defend but that should have happened but Jimmy G is pretty bad too.
OP: Please delete your thread so the moronic comments are lost among  
plato : 1/16/2022 9:53 pm : link
the electrons of the void.
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joe48 : 1/16/2022 10:29 pm : link
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Jones is better than the Dallas back up Cooper Rush. Who subbed for Dak this year and won in Minnesota with a very nice game.



Dak is so overrated. Surrounded with talent. He can’t carry a team. Locks in to one receiver, doesn't see field, not accurate and can’t throw receiver open. Folds like a cheap suit against better teams. Pads stats against weaker teams. $40M in cap space.



I think he's overpaid, too.

Every good QB in the NFL, btw, is surrounded with talent. So that argument is silly.

But he's a top ten QB. Whether you like it or not. And to say he's not accurate is buffoonery. He's a career 67% passer.

I guess you don’t watch Cowboys because everything you say about Dak is incorrect. He doesn’t beat the better teams but pads stats against weaker. Look at his stats. Has one playoff win. Cowboy roster is stacked on offense.
You forgot to say  
CV36 : 1/16/2022 11:13 pm : link
Anyone disagrees is laughable or doesn’t have a brain.
This is sad  
rsjem1979 : 1/16/2022 11:15 pm : link
Middle school crushes are more rational than people who are this in love with Daniel Jones.
I like Jones  
Ned In Atlanta : 1/16/2022 11:26 pm : link
Wish he worked out here, but some people here post like his mother is holding a gun to their head
Think more than 60% of the QBs in the league  
Giants73 : 1/17/2022 12:02 am : link
Win that game. Prescott missed WR after WR in the game. As bad as the play call was at the end of the game this dumbass has to know how much time is on the clock and when he needs to slide to get another play off.
RE: Tony Romo was kind of like the anti-Eli  
montanagiant : 1/17/2022 12:35 am : link
In comment 15556834 Reese's Pieces said:
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He put up regular season numbers Eli couldn't match, most football people probably would have said that Romo was the better quarterback, but Romo won only two playoff games, while Eli won twice that many in one season.

So far Dak has played a lot like Romo. He had the game in front of him, he had the ball with decent field position with lots of time to take his team downfield and win the game and he didn't.

Not saying Eli was better than Romo, but it's kind of interesting if Cowboy fans would trade regular season success for a Super Bowl win.

Despite all the miseries of the Manning and post-Manning years, I wouldn't give up those two incredible winning years. Cause it just doesn't get any higher than that for an NFL fan.

I have no idea how you can't say Eli was better. It is without question given what each accomplished in their career. Eli did it with less talent
It took me half this thread  
Dave on the UWS : 1/17/2022 7:44 am : link
to realize the OP was trying to say on the one play (Dak’s scramble) Jones would have scored because of his speed. Whatever.
RE: RE: Lol career 67 percent. Who gives a shit  
Tuckrule : 1/17/2022 9:02 am : link
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He wasn’t drafted to rebuild a franchise. Romo took that same exact team one pass away from a championship game which was actually caught by dez. He was put into a great position. It’s rare but he lucked into it. They come up short year after year and it falls on dak. 7 points before the 4th quarter today.



Reminder - Jones was drafted to rebuild a franchise as the 6th pick. Dak was drafted as a project with the 135th pick.

Who has done more with their opportunity?

"...lucked into it..." JFC, you are embarrassing.

Were you surprised the 49ers won?


Exactly my point. He was drafted to a ready made team. Is jones team ready? Is it anywhere close to what Dallas has? In fact the team has been worse year in and year out. It’s hilarious you say project. Nobody cares what he was drafted as. Lamar was a project too so we grade him on the project scale? No! You grade him on what he’s doing with what he has to work with. Dak has underperformed in every big spot including regular season games since he’s been drafted. You can’t argue anything different

Was I surprised. No but was i shocked when Dallas scored 7 points through 3 quarters and Dak missing open guys and not running when he had the chance, yes.
Just a reminder  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/17/2022 9:24 am : link
this OP also said that Jones is better than Herbert.

I'll leave it at that.
RE: Just a reminder  
GNewGiants : 1/17/2022 9:26 am : link
In comment 15557406 Gatorade Dunk said:
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this OP also said that Jones is better than Herbert.

I'll leave it at that.


And this should end thread.
In case it is lost on the op  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/17/2022 10:22 am : link
Jones is on IR -- - can't even take the field for that game
55 replies is more than the OP deserved.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/17/2022 10:24 am : link
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Dak is better than a lot here think  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/17/2022 10:34 am : link
He's most certainly not a Top 5 QB, but he's in that 5-12 mix.

He's certainly better than a guy like Cousins who was another guy our NFC East rivals paid big money to.

Jones has shown absolutely nothing to say he would win that game.
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Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/17/2022 10:38 am : link
Brady
Rodgers
Mahomes
Allen
Herbert
Burrow
Jackson
Wilson
Stafford
Murray

Those are probably the guys who are better than Dak. Even then, you could argue Dak over some of them. I'd put him next following those guys at 11th, unless I'm blanking on someone.
RE: ...  
GNewGiants : 1/17/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15557522 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Brady
Rodgers
Mahomes
Allen
Herbert
Burrow
Jackson
Wilson
Stafford
Murray

Those are probably the guys who are better than Dak. Even then, you could argue Dak over some of them. I'd put him next following those guys at 11th, unless I'm blanking on someone.


My debate is cousins or Prescott. The difference between them is small. Prescott runs better, Cousins protects it a little better. I’d still consider Tannehill as well. Dude is a gamer.
Daniel Jones  
PaulN : 1/17/2022 11:17 am : link
With a QB record of 12-25, is a great QB. Pigs fly too I guess. On this day we have to hear this bullshit. It's going to be clear how bad Daniel Jones is and these people are going to hide, as usual, and deny, as usual, when that day comes. Don't bet on Jones ever playing again either. You are his face. Does he look like a guy ready to go. He will probably take his money and excuse out the door. Along with his stupid fans.
Just because  
PaulN : 1/17/2022 11:25 am : link
Dak Prescott is not a great QB, although he is way better then Jones, and Hurts is a lousy QB, it does not make Jones good. In fact it makes Jones worse then we think. He can't even beat poor competition. And fuck the offensive line excuses, Joe Burrow has a worse offensive line and look at the difference between him and Danny boy. The reason this franchise is this horrible is because we drafted Barkley with the 2nd pick and Jones with a 6th pick. Sure Gettleman is to blame for doing it, but when you draft picks in the 2nd and 6th slit snd they stink, it sets your franchise back 3-5 years. Count how many year we have been horrible. It'd because of those two draft pucks more then anything else by far.
RE: RE: RE: Lol career 67 percent. Who gives a shit  
bw in dc : 1/17/2022 11:36 am : link
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Reminder - Jones was drafted to rebuild a franchise as the 6th pick. Dak was drafted as a project with the 135th pick.

Who has done more with their opportunity?

"...lucked into it..." JFC, you are embarrassing.

Were you surprised the 49ers won?




Exactly my point. He was drafted to a ready made team. Is jones team ready? Is it anywhere close to what Dallas has? In fact the team has been worse year in and year out. It’s hilarious you say project. Nobody cares what he was drafted as. Lamar was a project too so we grade him on the project scale? No! You grade him on what he’s doing with what he has to work with. Dak has underperformed in every big spot including regular season games since he’s been drafted. You can’t argue anything different

Was I surprised. No but was i shocked when Dallas scored 7 points through 3 quarters and Dak missing open guys and not running when he had the chance, yes.


The 49ers were the sexy pick going into the weekend. They have a top ten defense (in PPG allowed) and a top 12 offense (in PPG scored). And they played in the best division in football. So, good teams with good defenses can beat teams with good QBs. Which is exactly what happened yesterday. Perhaps the better way to look at this is to give more credit to the 49ers for playing a better game.

Your comments are really naive. Playing QB in the NFL is hard, regardless if you have a "read-made" team. Yet, Dak hit the ground running when he was unexpectedly thrust into the role of starter when Romo when down. Just go look at his numbers. As a rookie he was 23/4, 68% completion, 8 YPA, and a 77 QBR. Those numbers don't impress you??

Before Jerry overpaid Dak, which I conceded, Dallas got a helluva lot more out of their investment in Dak than we have with Jones. It isn't even close.

Too many Giants fans live in glass houses when they throw their stones at QBs for other teams. In this case, it's petty and give off a horrible stench of jealousy.



It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better  
Tuckrule : 1/17/2022 12:19 pm : link
But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.
You want to talk QB. How does 27 sound for yesterday’s performance  
Tuckrule : 1/17/2022 1:02 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/17/2022 1:06 pm : link
No he doesn't. Jones is not better than Dak. It isn't even a serious argument.
Giants aspirations for the QB position  
JB_in_DC : 1/17/2022 1:16 pm : link
should be higher than Jones and Prescott. Neither is ever winning a SB, and that's the goal.
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HomerJones45 : 1/17/2022 1:19 pm : link
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Reminder - Jones was drafted to rebuild a franchise as the 6th pick. Dak was drafted as a project with the 135th pick.

Who has done more with their opportunity?

"...lucked into it..." JFC, you are embarrassing.

Were you surprised the 49ers won?




Exactly my point. He was drafted to a ready made team. Is jones team ready? Is it anywhere close to what Dallas has? In fact the team has been worse year in and year out. It’s hilarious you say project. Nobody cares what he was drafted as. Lamar was a project too so we grade him on the project scale? No! You grade him on what he’s doing with what he has to work with. Dak has underperformed in every big spot including regular season games since he’s been drafted. You can’t argue anything different

Was I surprised. No but was i shocked when Dallas scored 7 points through 3 quarters and Dak missing open guys and not running when he had the chance, yes.



The 49ers were the sexy pick going into the weekend. They have a top ten defense (in PPG allowed) and a top 12 offense (in PPG scored). And they played in the best division in football. So, good teams with good defenses can beat teams with good QBs. Which is exactly what happened yesterday. Perhaps the better way to look at this is to give more credit to the 49ers for playing a better game.

Your comments are really naive. Playing QB in the NFL is hard, regardless if you have a "read-made" team. Yet, Dak hit the ground running when he was unexpectedly thrust into the role of starter when Romo when down. Just go look at his numbers. As a rookie he was 23/4, 68% completion, 8 YPA, and a 77 QBR. Those numbers don't impress you??

Before Jerry overpaid Dak, which I conceded, Dallas got a helluva lot more out of their investment in Dak than we have with Jones. It isn't even close.

Too many Giants fans live in glass houses when they throw their stones at QBs for other teams. In this case, it's petty and give off a horrible stench of jealousy.

Good post. The Niners defense played really well yesterday. And they played ball control. They are a tough match up for Green Bay.
Conversely (from another thread)  
djm : 1/17/2022 1:41 pm : link
When the DJ defenders dig their heels in it too is a sight to behold.

The niners would have eaten and digested Daniel jones yesterday even if he’s on Dallas.

I need to be fair.

RE: It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/17/2022 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15557688 Tuckrule said:
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But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.

Dak is "overrated" because he's had success.

That doesn't make him a better QB than DJ.

DJ couldn't possibly be "overrated" because he sucks.
RE: RE: It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/17/2022 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15557917 Gatorade Dunk said:
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But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.


Dak is "overrated" because he's had success.

That doesn't make him a better QB than DJ.

DJ couldn't possibly be "overrated" because he sucks.

I should say "better or worse" QB than DJ.

Dak's a better QB than DJ because he's a better QB than DJ.

The level of some fans' optimism defies logic.

You think DJ is better than Dak (or Hurts, separate thread, same topic)? Fine. Is it because you think those QBs couldn't possibly reach the excellence of DJ Or because those other QBs are just not good enough?

If your answer is the former, I think Eric should ban your handle and the internet should ban your IP. If your answer is the latter, what's the point? Is having the best loser QB some sort of consolation prize that you need in order to cheer yourself on at your next neighborhood pancake breakfast?

The goal is to win Super Bowls. Jones being the tallest or shortest of a limited group of contestants doesn't get us any closer to the 5th trophy.
RE: It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/17/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15557688 Tuckrule said:
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But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.

Who fucking cares?

If you have a QB who can't overcome literally any bit of surrounding adversity, you need a new QB.
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Tuckrule : 1/17/2022 3:29 pm : link
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But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.


Who fucking cares?

If you have a QB who can't overcome literally any bit of surrounding adversity, you need a new QB.


Literally. First thing I said is “I’m not saying jones is better” but people calling Dak a top 10 QB are nuts. He’s about average at best. My post has zero to do with daniel jones and more to do about people citing daks statistics. He shrinks in big games example 27 QBR yesterday. That takes into account the pass rush he saw, his WR drops etc. it’s everything. He comes up small in big games it’s been his MO since he became the starting QB and took over a team that was a completion away from a title game
What about a QB who can’t do much with the talent given  
Tuckrule : 1/17/2022 3:33 pm : link
Forget adversity how about the opposite of that which is unbelievable roster building talent and flopping year after year. New coach same story. Look at the chiefs. Swapped out Alex smith for mahomes and there headed to another super bowl. Same coach different QB. It’s clear as day. Dak is not a difference maker as much as people pretend he’s an elite QB
RE: Dak is better than a lot here think  
joe48 : 1/17/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15557515 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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He's most certainly not a Top 5 QB, but he's in that 5-12 mix.

He's certainly better than a guy like Cousins who was another guy our NFC East rivals paid big money to.

Jones has shown absolutely nothing to say he would win that game.

5-12 is quite a spread. On DJ how can you make a comparison ? Giants worse offense in league.
RE: RE: RE: It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/17/2022 4:56 pm : link
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But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.


Who fucking cares?

If you have a QB who can't overcome literally any bit of surrounding adversity, you need a new QB.



Literally. First thing I said is “I’m not saying jones is better” but people calling Dak a top 10 QB are nuts. He’s about average at best. My post has zero to do with daniel jones and more to do about people citing daks statistics. He shrinks in big games example 27 QBR yesterday. That takes into account the pass rush he saw, his WR drops etc. it’s everything. He comes up small in big games it’s been his MO since he became the starting QB and took over a team that was a completion away from a title game

This is a lot like the debate I got into with Carl Banks a few days ago.

WFC if we're the best in the division, the goal is to be the best in the NFL.

So maybe there are some things where Dak is overrated (I agree), and maybe he isn't what some would consider a contender's QB (I agree, generally). But the goal shouldn't be to outrun the fattest guy in your campground; it should be to outrun the bear.
RE: It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better  
bw in dc : 1/17/2022 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15557688 Tuckrule said:
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But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.


I agree having talent helps. But the QB still has to deliver - make the calls, reads, and deliver the ball. I really think you take for granted how challenging that is.

The Cowboys record when Dak starts is 53-32, a 62% winning % clip. And they have 5 of out 6 winning seasons with him at the helm.

For his career, Dak has 143 TDs/50 INTs, 7.6 YPA 7.9 AY/A, 67% completion %, and a 60+ QBR. Sorry, but that is really good and top ten material.

With only 16/17 games in a season, EVERY game is important. While Dak and the Boys absolutely need to be better in the playoffs (although they did lose a heart breaker on the miracle drive by Rodgers three years ago in Dallas), they have largely performed in the regular season. That's undeniable. And until this year, Dak has been shouldering a lot of that without a quality defense.

I bet you if I showed you those stats, and I just called the player "Player X", you would say that is a very good QB. How could you not?
RE: RE: It’s not jealousy. I’m not saying jones is better  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/17/2022 6:09 pm : link
In comment 15558132 bw in dc said:
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But playing QB does involve the talent thwt surrounds you. Having an all pro offensive lineman with a great back and skill guys around you helps. Jones hasn’t had 1/10th of the talent around him that Dak has. Considering the talent around Dak he has failed in every big spot. Including regular season games he’s failed. It’s simple and Dallas fans would say the same. Vs Arizona at home and then the playoff game in recent memory. 7 fucking points in 3 quarters and if not for roughing the punter and a fake punt that game wouldn’t have been close at the end. It isn’t jealousy. It’s pure fact and my close friend is a die hard cowboy fan he says Dak is the most overrated player, not QB, in the nfl. He crumbles in big spots. He has a track record of that. It’s proven. Go game by game.



I agree having talent helps. But the QB still has to deliver - make the calls, reads, and deliver the ball. I really think you take for granted how challenging that is.

The Cowboys record when Dak starts is 53-32, a 62% winning % clip. And they have 5 of out 6 winning seasons with him at the helm.

For his career, Dak has 143 TDs/50 INTs, 7.6 YPA 7.9 AY/A, 67% completion %, and a 60+ QBR. Sorry, but that is really good and top ten material.

With only 16/17 games in a season, EVERY game is important. While Dak and the Boys absolutely need to be better in the playoffs (although they did lose a heart breaker on the miracle drive by Rodgers three years ago in Dallas), they have largely performed in the regular season. That's undeniable. And until this year, Dak has been shouldering a lot of that without a quality defense.

I bet you if I showed you those stats, and I just called the player "Player X", you would say that is a very good QB. How could you not?

The painfully vast majority of BBI doesn't watch any NFL games other than those that the Giants are participating in.

And that's fine, except for the part where they accidentally remind everyone else about it daily.
My sarcasm meter is blinking  
eli4life : 1/17/2022 6:19 pm : link
Wasn’t there a few of these threads lately?
RE: RE: Dak is better than a lot here think  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2022 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15558077 joe48 said:
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He's most certainly not a Top 5 QB, but he's in that 5-12 mix.

He's certainly better than a guy like Cousins who was another guy our NFC East rivals paid big money to.

Jones has shown absolutely nothing to say he would win that game.


5-12 is quite a spread. On DJ how can you make a comparison ? Giants worse offense in league.


I think Dak and Cousins are pretty comparable. Dak is probably just inside the top 10 and Cousins just outside but on cusp of top 10. Both can light it up at times and also throw up a stinker every now and then, but both have shown themselves to be very productive QBs in this league.

DJ isn’t not there with either, even recognizing he plays with lesser talent around him.

Not certain why Dak can’t put it together in playoffs but yesterday was not a goid showing by offense. Cooper got hot for a bit and Schulz somewhat, but where the hell were plays for Lamb, Zeke, Pollard? Did all the penalties just keep them from showing off their stars?
DJ is not there with either  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2022 6:34 pm : link
...
I was under the impression...  
bw in dc : 1/17/2022 11:19 pm : link
from another sage BBI poster that Kyler Murray was better than Prescott.

I wonder if we need to revisit that after Kyler's performance tonight...
Maybe the OP  
santacruzom : 1/17/2022 11:32 pm : link
Meant Jones wins the game for the Cowboys IF he were the 9'ers QB.
Some of the posts lately are just too much.  
Matt M. : 1/18/2022 12:40 pm : link
First, we had LT as a one dimensional player. Then Daniel Jones wins that game for the Cowboys because of one play, completely ignoring the 59 minutes before. Now, Dak sucks. Sorry, I hate the Cowboys as much as the next guy, but Prescott has done nothing but put up impressive numbers and has actually improved each year. Last year without him shows how integral he is to their team. This guy is without question a top 10 QB in the league, and quite likely top 5. Just because we hate the Cowboys, that doesn't change.
RE: My sarcasm meter is blinking  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/18/2022 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15558237 eli4life said:
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Wasn’t there a few of these threads lately?

Yes, there have been. But this OP isn't being sarcastic.

Do us all a favor and wipe the drool off of the OP's chin though, if you don't mind.
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